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    "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Recently teased on their social media accounts.

    My money's on a >100MP CMOS FF back

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    (or more likely, Capture One v9!)
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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    let's dream of a cmos around 60MP and around 36x48mm fully compatible with lenses movements with a really good live view, long exposures, hight iso and even video capabilities, accurates colors, and of course for cheap ;-)
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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    I think Sony will be the one making that announcement.

    And in light of that, perhaps Phase One will announce a $10K discount on all backs! They probably need to move some inventory before the 100mp goes public!

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    I think Sony will be the one making that announcement.

    And in light of that, perhaps Phase One will announce a $10K discount on all backs! They probably need to move some inventory before the 100mp announcement!
    Word of the IQ150 went out long before anyone knew about the Sony MF sensor, and it launched before the Hass/Leaf/Pentax also, so they could have some exclusivity rights with Sony. Just thinking out loud.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    My money's on a >100MP CMOS FF back
    Nope.
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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Nope.
    Doug, you could've at least let us live out the weekend in bliss

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    Now that we know it is not a 100MP CMOS back, perhaps it's a new mirrorless body and lens system to get us ready for a 100MP CMOS back
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Nope.
    Well I guess I shouldn't be too disappointed seeing as I only picked up my IQ3 80 on Tuesday!

    Capture One 9 it is then
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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    It may be that the rumor from last month is true, and Phase One is going to acquire Hasselblad.....
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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    «big newS» ! interesting point !

    Hopefully they will announce a Schneider LS 110 mm & LS 240 mm blue ring -let's not forget a Super-Angulon 40 mm f2,8- ! and why not dreaming about a Xenotar 80 mm f/2,0 and a Tele Xenar 180 mm f/2,8 ?

    A wide range of wide aperture lenses... yummy ! just saying.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Maybe it's the long awaited firmware update for the Credo backs to work on the XF...
    That might encourage me to do a mount swap.

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    let's dream about a perfect 40 PC lens !
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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Nope.
    Ok then, how about <100 MP CMOS FF back ?

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    It's probably another 'signature' edition camera body with the unintelligible scrawl of the incumbent CEO on a gold anodised aluminium plate, the extra £5k gets you an ostrich leather strap and numbered key fob too.
    You heard it here first folks.
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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    It's probably another 'signature' edition camera body with the unintelligible scrawl of the incumbent CEO on a gold anodised aluminium plate, the extra £5k gets you an ostrich leather strap and numbered key fob too.
    You heard it here first folks.
    Wrong company.

    My money is on C1Pro 9.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    Ok then, how about <100 MP CMOS FF back ?
    I sure wish it was.

    Getting impatient and the 645z in a box is tempting.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post

    My money is on C1Pro 9.

    ken
    I agree - especially since it's 'Cyber Monday' on, er, Monday.

    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Wrong company.
    But, then again...

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Wrong company.

    My money is on C1Pro 9.

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    [QUOTE= the extra £5k gets you an ostrich leather strap [/QUOTE]

    That's Ostrich scrotum leather strap

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    What are the rumoured new features of C1 Pro 9? Will they release it as a DB version as well?

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    What are the rumoured new features of C1 Pro 9? Will they release it as a DB version as well?
    If that's important to you I'd bet my paycheque on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    If that's important to you I'd bet my paycheque on that one.
    I forgot we weren't talking about Adobe products, sorry!

    Seriously though, what new features are people betting on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    I forgot we weren't talking about Adobe products, sorry!

    Seriously though, what new features are people betting on?
    Pentax/Leica support in C1
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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    how about Hasselblad support in Capture One?

    ...probably will never happen though!!!

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    It's almost certainly C1Pro9 due to all the recent C1Pro8 discounts and the social media clue of 9 pictures. I think I'm still good with 8 for now though unless there's a major upgraded feature list. I've been using LR6+DXO more these days in reality... When I have time to shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    Pentax/Leica support in C1
    Is this seriously something on the table though? Not that I care–I don't own either–but that would be pretty great news.

    I'd like the following features:

    1: A robust and user friendly cataloguing system a la Lightroom.
    2: An integrated stitching feature to keep the files 100% in C1 (again, a la Lightroom.)
    3: A SPEED increase
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Is this seriously something on the table though? Not that I care–I don't own either–but that would be pretty great news.

    I'd like the following features:

    1: A robust and user friendly cataloguing system a la Lightroom.
    2: An integrated stitching feature to keep the files 100% in C1 (again, a la Lightroom.)
    3: A SPEED increase
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    4: An integrated focus stacking feature to keep the files 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by archivue View Post
    +
    4: An integrated focus stacking feature to keep the files 100%
    5: Combination of 2 & 4 for when you need to stitch and focus stack with associated LCCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Is this seriously something on the table though? Not that I care–I don't own either–but that would be pretty great news.
    If they like money, I'd sure hope so. Wider MF support is a feature that's been echoed here for a while now.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    According to a recent post by DT, "Capture One does not support the 645Z, and support will not be added in the future." So no that's not included in their current business plan, it seems like Phase would still rather take a hit on their profits then to support the competitors users.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    If they like money, I'd sure hope so. Wider MF support is a feature that's been echoed here for a while now.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    I would like to see a DB firmware update. Don't understand why it takes 30min to save 30min exposure file.

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    Re: &quot;Big&quot; news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by strok View Post
    I would like to see a DB firmware update. Don't understand why it takes 30min to save 30min exposure file.
    It doesn't. It takes about a second to record the file. It's the dark frame that takes that time. Phase One backs automatically do a dark frame exposure. This exposure, done with the shutter closed, records the location of any hot pixels and helps characterize the noise.

    The technology Phase One has developed for its dark frame is quite advanced and is one of the reasons why Phase One consistently outperforms competitive solutions in regards to long exposure quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    1: A robust and user friendly cataloguing system a la Lightroom.
    3: A SPEED increase
    Can you be more specific on these two items? What cataloging features, missing from C1, are most important to you?

    Also, do you have a powerful graphics card? A strong GPU is key to C1 performance. I've found c1v8 flies with a good GPU, even with thousands of 80mp raw files.
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    It could be a 1.4x TC that will allow all their lenses from 24mm up to 120mm to be used with a FF back on a view camera with movements... but I doubt that...

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    Re: &quot;Big&quot; news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    It doesn't. It takes about a second to record the file. It's the dark frame that takes that time. Phase One backs automatically do a dark frame exposure. This exposure, done with the shutter closed, records the location of any hot pixels and helps characterize the noise.
    Thank you Doug,
    There's should be some way around (at list optional) to have ability to take several images with same setting and apply one black frame to all, let say if temperature of the sensor hasn't changed dramatically.
    Sometimes you have 5-7 min of sunset/sunrise and every second counts. Taking 25-30 sec exposures with 25-30 sec delays sometimes killing the shot.

    Cheers

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    Re: &quot;Big&quot; news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by strok View Post
    Thank you Doug,
    There's should be some way around (at list optional) to have ability to take several images with same setting and apply one black frame to all, let say if temperature of the sensor hasn't changed dramatically.
    Sometimes you have 5-7 min of sunset/sunrise and every second counts. Taking 25-30 sec exposures with 25-30 sec delays sometimes killing the shot.

    Cheers
    I generally agree with the idea of providing users more control, including, in this case, the option to turn off dark frame calibration. I will pass this feedback on to R+D at Phase One; you are not the first to ask for it, but every voice is counted.

    That said, the back does automatically re-use dark frames if/when the conditions are similar enough to do so without sacrificing quality. With the CMOS backs for instance, the amount of heat generated during a long exposure is less, so dark frames are frequently reused even on long exposures. The ability to set an arbitrarily long exposure (not just manually-controlled-bulb) such as with the XF body helps in this regard, as the length of the exposure needs to be very close to the previous one for the dark frame to be reused.

    When using one of the CMOS backs, or one of the backs with Long Exposure Mode you can also up the ISO, even during long exposures. Noise will increase slightly but results can still be excellent, and it can be worth it to gain some flexibility during quickly changing light conditions.
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    Re: &quot;Big&quot; news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by strok View Post
    Thank you Doug,
    There's should be some way around (at list optional) to have ability to take several images with same setting and apply one black frame to all, let say if temperature of the sensor hasn't changed dramatically.
    Sometimes you have 5-7 min of sunset/sunrise and every second counts. Taking 25-30 sec exposures with 25-30 sec delays sometimes killing the shot.

    Cheers
    If you have a technical camera with simple sync cable then you can disable the darkframe noise reduction by setting "Camera Mode" to "Aerial" and "Shutter Latency" to "Zero". At least this trick works for every shot after the first shot each time you power on the digital back with firmware pre-IQ3 release. Not sure about the latest firmware though.

    The CMOS back could benefit from this trick, as you only need to move the slider of "Single Pixel" of C1's noise reduction to 1 to eliminate 99% of the hotpixels. However the CCD backs will get drastically degraded image quality if you disable darkframe noise reduction. That's the main reason to give up the CCD backs for dedicated long exposure shots.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Teasing us now
    "November 30, 2015

    Due to maintenace on our www.phaseone.com web site, it is currently unavailable. This may as well include activation server for Capture One.

    We apologize for the inconvenience and welcome you back later.

    Best regards

    Team Phase One"

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    Hooo just got the new right now :

    Phase have been bought by Canon ! Interesting times coming
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    Are you for real?

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    bha !! this is the kind of "big" new I wait from phase. Medium format market is around 5000 Units per year around the whole world. With the venue of the 645 (z), the new sony sensors + the crisis, those 5000 units might have hard time to be sold.

    Phase One is clever because of Capture one, very valuable asset. Going 24x36 might be a good thing for such a brand.

    Just my two cents.

    I would just applaud if they come with a 24x36 body.

    P.S: If canon really bought Phase One, I will accept a fine bottle of wine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    bha !!
    Phase One is clever because of Capture one, very valuable asset. Going 24x36 might be a good thing for such a brand.

    Just my two cents.

    I would just applaud if they come with a 24x36 body.
    or even a 24x36 back to be used with cambo, alpa and of course arca swiss !
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    Almost there : https://captureintegration.com/top-1...capture-one-9/

    Son nice features, will require some testing.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    The changes to saturation/contrast/brightness and the new luma curve is the most interesting I think. I have worked extensively with such models myself recently through my work with DCamProf. It seems like they're finally leaving the old-school RGB-based color model which made applying stronger effects on contrast very hard without undesired side-effects on saturation.

    It would be interesting to know if the "Luma curve" is a pure luminance curve, a Lab L curve or a CIECAM 02 J curve, or something custom-made. Using any of the existing standard models usually means that you get a perceptual desaturation if you increase contrast. In my own work I went custom-made as it was the only way I could keep saturation perceptually constant when changing contrast.

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    Re: &quot;Big&quot; news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    If you have a technical camera with simple sync cable then you can disable the darkframe noise reduction by setting "Camera Mode" to "Aerial" and "Shutter Latency" to "Zero". At least this trick works for every shot after the first shot each time you power on the digital back with firmware pre-IQ3 release. Not sure about the latest firmware though.

    The CMOS back could benefit from this trick, as you only need to move the slider of "Single Pixel" of C1's noise reduction to 1 to eliminate 99% of the hotpixels. However the CCD backs will get drastically degraded image quality if you disable darkframe noise reduction. That's the main reason to give up the CCD backs for dedicated long exposure shots.
    Last time I checked only certain CMOS backs have the aerial mode the IQ250 and 350 should. I don't believe the Credo 50 has that feature. And I can't remember if the IQ150 has it.

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    Re: &quot;Big&quot; news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    If you have a technical camera with simple sync cable then you can disable the darkframe noise reduction by setting "Camera Mode" to "Aerial" and "Shutter Latency" to "Zero".
    You don't want to be shooting in Zero latency, especially on a tech cam where it takes time between shots. The back will heat up quite fast leading to all kinds of other issues.

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    Re: "Big" news from Phase One on Monday

    Just tried the new color editor. Very nice! I've had problems with sunrise colors turning yellow from the red channel blowing out. It's now easier to select just the offending shades and restore the beautiful coral pink of the dawn light.

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    Last time I checked only certain CMOS backs have the aerial mode the IQ250 and 350 should. I don't believe the Credo 50 has that feature. And I can't remember if the IQ150 has it.

    Paul C
    The IQ260 and the IQ280 also have it, so I guess all Phase One IQ series have it. I was told that the Credo does not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    You don't want to be shooting in Zero latency, especially on a tech cam where it takes time between shots. The back will heat up quite fast leading to all kinds of other issues.
    This is only true for CCD backs. With a Sony CMOS back you don't need to worry about heat - it's simply like how Sony mirrorless cameras work e.g. A7R A7S etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    The changes to saturation/contrast/brightness and the new luma curve is the most interesting I think. I have worked extensively with such models myself recently through my work with DCamProf. It seems like they're finally leaving the old-school RGB-based color model which made applying stronger effects on contrast very hard without undesired side-effects on saturation.
    This effect on saturation drives me nuts on C1 pro otherwise I love it. Just dowloaded v9. Have a fresh batch of IQ160 files to process. We will see how it goes.

    I think the new changes/additions will have a huge effect in achieving great results w/ C1pro without needing to edit in PS. It definitely will make C1pro much more appealing to more people.

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    Re: &amp;amp;quot;Big&amp;amp;quot; news from Phase One on Monday

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Last time I checked only certain CMOS backs have the aerial mode the IQ250 and 350 should. I don't believe the Credo 50 has that feature. And I can't remember if the IQ150 has it.

    Paul C
    IQ150 does too IIRC, as did the IQ260. I can check in the morning.
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