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    The H5D-50c is now available at just £9,795

    PSA for those thinking of a new MFD camera. i guess something similar is happening in other countries
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    Re: The H5D-50c is now available at just £9,795

    Yes, same in Euro-Land, 12500 EUR (12900 for H5D50c + WiFi), which means a 40% discount, just now got email from Hasselblad about this promotion. Guess
    they want to sell as much as possible before year end. Next year is photokina, my
    dealer suggested not to upgrade at the moment which seems to indicate something ;-)

    Anyway, great deal for folks who want to take the plunge into MFD IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    PSA for those thinking of a new MFD camera. i guess something similar is happening in other countries
    All Hasselblad products that are related with the CMOS sensor are offered at prices that are half or less than the respective equipment from competition... The policy is not new... It has started for a few months now and its getting better all the time, it clearly seems that it won't stop either. MO is that it will affect pricing of all MF products out of all makers since it attracts too much attention on Hasselblad... It should affect S/H offerings too.

    That said, one must remember the Leica S007 price surprise after introduction which also seems that it is a permanent policy (which might get even better soon). I would expect Phase One to follow soon...

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    Seems also like the CFV-50c is back down at $10K again, but maybe that is old news? News to me at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    Seems also like the CFV-50c is back down at $10K again, but maybe that is old news? News to me at least.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...0mp_black.html
    The pricing policy is factory oriented, it includes all products with CMOS sensor and applies all over the world... http://www.hasselblad.com/product-exclusives
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    Re: The H5D-50c is now available at just £9,795

    On Hasselblad web and by different mail I received the Christmas promotion too...

    http://www.hasselblad.com/products/h...-50c-at-40-off

    Well I think 40% of reduction is a very big step down, a little offending price for who (me included) bought this camera near two years ago....at double of this price...

    I think the situation is clear, Hasselblad are searching to acquire new customers as others do, and with this strategy I think the price is getting interesting also for who is looking at high end DSLR or Leica's M / S2 etc..

    On the other hand it's like they are clearing the stocks in the wait of a new line of products, maybe the H6D is coming ?

    This is very intriguing because I don't hear about new sensor or improvement, maybe they are projecting a new body with better connectivity and more capable cpu / Lcd displays / viewfinder / touchscreen etc. to align their offer to the others.

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    The CFV-50c at $10k is actually right at the maximum acceptable limit for a digital back for me personally. I would buy it for my tech camera if the CMOS just had worked well with my Digitar wides (which it unfortunately doesn't do). It's promising for the future though if digital backs with the latest technology can be at this price level, at least from time to time.

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    On Hasselblad web and by different mail I received the Christmas promotion too...

    http://www.hasselblad.com/products/h...-50c-at-40-off

    I think the situation is clear, Hasselblad are searching to acquire new customers as others do, and with this strategy I think the price is getting interesting also for who is looking at high end DSLR or Leica's M / S2 etc..

    On the other hand it's like they are clearing the stocks in the wait of a new line of products, maybe the H6D is coming ?
    It's not what they are doing... They just "move" the Sony Cmos sensor to be their "basic" product... (they replace the H5D-40 with it...) Obviously there are new sensors coming... but they are to replace the larger in line sensors... I believe the reason that we hear nothing about new sensors is that they will use nothing out of Dalsa or Kodak anymore... It should be all larger than 33x44mm in physical size Cmos and exclusive to them... I think that if they expand into releasing the backs for third party cameras (other than Mamiya/P1 - they won't do backs for M645 mount for sure - but they will "take" the backs as to attract their customers), competition may be caught with their "pants down"...

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    I left medium format digital for reasons other than cost but had I not then cost would have become a reason to leave.

    It's good to see Hasselblad, Leica and Pentax keeping the cost of entry to a manageable level.
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    Re: The H5D-50c is now available at just £9,795

    So question..? In the new car business when the manufacturer offers huge discounts or rebates, that action resonates in the resale world for years and effects the same model going back several years...they all loose value.....SO, is this the same in the MFD world? Has re-sale pricing on the H5D-50C been affected?...Just asking....

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    Quote Originally Posted by aztwang View Post
    So question..? In the new car business when the manufacturer offers huge discounts or rebates, that action resonates in the resale world for years and effects the same model going back several years...they all loose value.....SO, is this the same in the MFD world? Has re-sale pricing on the H5D-50C been affected?...Just asking....
    It seems the deal is valid for the next 30 days, prudent considering how many buyers are on the fence and need a little push!

    A couple of ways to look at it with a new economic twist.
    Used to be wait for newer model trade in old model lose some money wait three years do it again that's when the camera companies retail price was completely adjusted for leasing...(hence double)
    Now it seems MDF market has shrunk, so now you buy after camera is released with a factory incentive and lose half or more of the purchase price when selling before they announce a new model if not you lose 70% after newer model is released.
    My question more importantly is what about the dealer?

    I have. H5D-50 it's been and still is a great tool providing me with all I need, that said I would not jump on the C but rather take my looses when they offer a camera that does provide solutions that would change the way I presently shoot with the H5D which the C doesn't.

    Look at it in a practical way you shoot and record a file now give that file to someone across the world have them PS the file and give it back say ready for a 30x40 print take it to a printer have them print it. Then ask anyone in the chain if they thought the file was better because you made it with the new C!
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    It seems the deal is valid for the next 30 days, prudent considering how many buyers are on the fence and need a little push!
    Judging out of the past 3 months "30 days offerings" from Hasselblad, after 30 days there will be an even better offering... It is clearly a permanent price reduction that applies to the Cmos sensor (only) products... Last month there was an offering for the H5D-40 too (their entry product) as if there wasn't one, H5D-50c would have cannibalized the sales of it... But they've stopped the offering on the "40", yet improving further the offer on the "50c", which can only mean that they've sold the stock of "40"s and now they want 50c to cannibalize the section... (hence the conclusion that they are moving 50c as to be their new entry level...). In fact, if one asks a dealer for an H5D-60, the first reply he has is... "why not a 50c?" ...which means that they don't want to make & sell other than the Cmos sensor anymore... hence the conclusion that they will have new products as to replace the H5D-60 too and they keep it listed (at a crazy price) only for the line not to seem represented by one product only...

    Another hint that leads to the same conclusion, is that the line of 3 stand alone backs they released, are only of the same Cmos sensor... they clearly don't want to sell what product has a different sensor and thus they price them as not to sell... But the Cmos sensor product "offerings" won't stop... They may even improve further in the future... It clearly is a new pricing policy for their younger products... not offerings to boost sales temporarily...

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    When the 645 full-frame CMOS arrives I'm sure CCD is history in no-time, I don't think they will exist in parallel for very long as CCD won't sell.

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    As an owner of MF (ish) ccd and cmos running side by side, I'm not sure I understand why ccd backs would die out when larger cmos sensors become available, for me personally I prefer the files at base ISO from the ccd even though the differences are small, for personal work I tend to shoot exclusively on a tripod at base ISO. I've been looking at tech cams for an upcoming job and if I was to buy a back now it would be an IQ180, even if the equivalent cmos back was available, especially as it would likely be cheaper! CCD may indeed die out but I feel it would be a shame as there is nothing lacking in ccd files shot well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    When the 645 full-frame CMOS arrives I'm sure CCD is history in no-time, I don't think they will exist in parallel for very long as CCD won't sell.
    True... People are asking for their payed money quality LV on their backs more than anything else, they just can't have their back sitting by the side and use a mirrorless on a mini view camera instead.... S/H CCD backs should also drop considerably as S/H CMos will start entering the S/H market... I wonder, when people start selling their CFV-50s for a larger CMos sensor, what will be the S/H price? ...6k maybe? and then what will be the S/H price of a P1 or Credo with the same sensor? ...surely it can't differ by much... and then I would expect the large sensor CCD to be less at the S/H market as they will look "ancient" when compared to the current CMOS for their LV, DR and higher ISO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    The CFV-50c at $10k is actually right at the maximum acceptable limit for a digital back for me personally.
    It may be that the H5D-50c pricing is now more in line with what one could do with the CFV-50c back and an H5X body. These are now very similarly priced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr View Post
    .... I've been looking at tech cams for an upcoming job and if I was to buy a back now it would be an IQ180, even if the equivalent cmos back was available, especially as it would likely be cheaper! CCD may indeed die out but I feel it would be a shame as there is nothing lacking in ccd files shot well.

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    I agree that the IQ180 is the sweet spot for used and would be my next choice for a system for use alongside my IQ150. There is still a noticeable difference IMHO in the look of the 80mp files shot well. The IQ180 also has the ideal level of useful technology (i.e. No need for wifi etc) for a tech cam and LV is good enough for composition and also focus in the right conditions.

    If someone were starting out wanting a MF DSLR system the H5D-50c must be very attractive at these prices with the opportunity to use all the great Hasselblad lens options compared to Pentax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr View Post
    As an owner of MF (ish) ccd and cmos running side by side, I'm not sure I understand why ccd backs would die out when larger cmos sensors become available, for me personally I prefer the files at base ISO from the ccd even though the differences are small, for personal work I tend to shoot exclusively on a tripod at base ISO. I've been looking at tech cams for an upcoming job and if I was to buy a back now it would be an IQ180, even if the equivalent cmos back was available, especially as it would likely be cheaper! CCD may indeed die out but I feel it would be a shame as there is nothing lacking in ccd files shot well.

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    For single shot capture at base ISO on a tripod with a tech cam, there is nothing that comes close to an IQ180/280/380/Credo80/Aptus II 12 (BTW, I think this is as good as it gets for digital capture under "ideal" conditions). It has been that way since the Dalsa 80 MP chip was released. That's why I have stuck with mine, and yes I paid a crap load for it, but over the time I've owned it, it has cost me less than my Nikon/Canon/Sony kit. This is as simple as I can put it.
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    When a company is burdened with hard times it has to reinvent itself at pull something out of the hat or it will be history. Without the strong Asian market that once kept the cash flowing on yesterday's technology you need solid products with great marketing. That said I'm still very content with my H5D-50....

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    The IQ180 CCD is surely great, but when full-frame CMOS comes out with 100 megapixels or so I think the "CCD magic" will disappear over night, because it was really never the CCD, it was the resolving power the size etc, the combination of a bunch of factors except being CCD, that's at least what I have come to believe, and the response to the Sony 44x33 CMOS products has not put any doubt in that, rather the opposite. If CCD was so great the 44x33mm CCD solutions that actually still exist if anyone remember them, would sell much better than the CMOS versions but I'm not seeing that happening.

    The manufacturers talked about having CCDs and CMOS in parallel (as they do have now) in the past when they did not have access to CMOS the marketing had pushed for CCD being a specific advantage, in the same way as "16 bit" (with the four last bits pure noise, and in the case of Phase One not even stored in the files) was an "advantage". However they're not worse than seeing how customers respond to the new products, and what I'm quite sure will happen is that the full-frame CCDs will become just as popular as the 44x33mm CCDs are today, and that will make the products be phased out real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    If CCD was so great the 44x33mm CCD solutions that actually still exist if anyone remember them, would sell much better than the CMOS versions but I'm not seeing that happen..
    Well said. I'd like to see a full frame BSI Sony CMOS compatible with the Schneider 28mm XL lens

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    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    Well said. I'd like to see a full frame BSI Sony CMOS compatible with the Schneider 28mm XL lens
    I really hope for that too, but the scarce reports I've heard from the A7r-II (which is BSI) has not improved my hopes on what BSI can do for us. It seems like much of the old problems are still there also with that incarnation of BSI, although I've not yet seen a thorough analysis with LCC shots raws etc.

    Hopefully we'll get at least some improvement to the next generation. I think full-frame will be too expensive to me, but on the other hand I also think that full-frame is not that important for a tech cam. A 44x33mm CMOS BSI sensor with half-decent angular response with mostly 70mm IC Rodenstock Digaron-S lenses I currently see as the most likely (least unlikely) upgrade path for me after my all-Schneider Digitar + Hassy 50MP CCD combo I have today. Unfortunately I no longer see it as likely that CMOS will support the wide angle Digitars in reasonable time, but I hope I'm wrong. I really like my Digitars with warts an all. The Rodies are a bit bulky so I probably would have to reduce my lens count. Movement range will be a bit reduced too due to the 70mm IC even if the sensor is a bit smaller, but I think I can live with that.

    I'm probably not going for a full-frame CCD, I don't see that as a meaningful upgrade from my current system. But if second hand prices drop to levels I can't refuse after full-frame CMOS is released I might go that way too....

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    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    Well said. I'd like to see a full frame BSI Sony CMOS compatible with the Schneider 28mm XL lens
    I don't think that there will ever be a larger Sony sensor than the one existing now... What most haven't realized is that Sony didn't design this sensor as to be used on MF cameras... The use of the sensor on MF cameras is just a consequence because of its size... The sensor is fully compatible with 8K pro video (8184 rows of pixels needed) as to be used with large format video... So Sony does have their large sensor video offering... A larger Cmos (if it comes) it will be from another maker... Another reason why I believe that Hasselblad is moving to exclusive to them sensors (most probably in collaboration with a high end video maker - probably Arri) as it can be concluded from the contract agreement they had with Arri when supplied their lens line for their top camera...

    It looks that video will play a big role into the future of MF makers... The sooner a maker has foreseen this (Leica seems to aim for hybrid designs and are constantly developing cinema lenses), the better his position in the future... Those who will ignore this, will unfortunately vanish... and I think some are already late... (they think that Hasselblad's recent partnership was done for Hasselblad to be used on ...drones). Indeed, some makers (and their customers) seem to be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Dascalos View Post
    I don't think that there will ever be a larger Sony sensor than the one existing now...
    I've heard rumors that full-frame prototypes have already been tested.... but well, we'll see. I think Sony will make it, and the reason is that CMOS manufacturing technology has progressed such that not the same amount of volume is required to make a larger size than before. But I don't actually know any of this, so I just sit and wait curiously.

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    Nothing new but just got an email from Hasselblad Bron and they're offering the H5D-50c wifi for $14.5k USD from 12/1-12/24, so it looks like that pricing is good here in the US as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    I've heard rumors that full-frame prototypes have already been tested.... but well, we'll see. I think Sony will make it, and the reason is that CMOS manufacturing technology has progressed such that not the same amount of volume is required to make a larger size than before. But I don't actually know any of this, so I just sit and wait curiously.
    I think that it is wrong to look at the large sensor market by thinking in terms of MFDB makers or MF photography... Both Arri & Red are now using sensors with more than 50mm width of which the origin is unknown to us... The motion picture studio market is of far more importance than MF photography will ever be... Don't be surprised if during the next 5 years, Large sensor market (larger than FF) will exceed 100K sensors annually... A blog buster motion picture has a budget of some hundreds of millions and its only for one motion picture... That is more than all the MF makers cost together to buy them all... Now the imaging and processing technology used by those studios is far beyond our requirements from large sensors...

    What one can safely predict, is that there will be no other sensor maker than Sony providing large sensors for makers to use... But OTOH, makers don't want to share the same sensor with other makers as it creates direct competition... The main reason why P1 advanced over Hasselblad in the past years, is because they succeeded to have Dalsa making a sensor (the 80mp one) exclusive to them and provided sensor + tech again exclusively for them... Now that Sony provided (much better) sensors at much lower prices, the game returned back where it was before Dalsa provided exclusive to P1 service... In Leica they have been working hard as to dismount them selves from sharing common with the rest sensors and they've managed to find a path towards pro, hybrid still/video hi-end requirements, as they seem to be catching up quickly... In Hasselblad, they also seem to dismount from Kodak and Dalsa and have collaborated with Arri 14 months ago and now with DJI... I would expect that through their past year collaborations, they'll manage to have access for large modern high end sensors... Pentax will stick with Sony (that's for sure)... That makes three of them with a clear future... (Leica, Hasselblad & Pentax).... The question is then, will P1 be able to cope? Have they been working as to have access to high end sensors and the technology required for the hybrid future? or they just warming up the same old food again and again and expect people to re-consume it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Dascalos View Post
    I don't think that there will ever be a larger Sony sensor than the one existing now... What most haven't realized is that Sony didn't design this sensor as to be used on MF cameras... The use of the sensor on MF cameras is just a consequence because of its size... The sensor is fully compatible with 8K pro video (8184 rows of pixels needed) as to be used with large format video... So Sony does have their large sensor video offering... A larger Cmos (if it comes) it will be from another maker... Another reason why I believe that Hasselblad is moving to exclusive to them sensors (most probably in collaboration with a high end video maker - probably Arri) as it can be concluded from the contract agreement they had with Arri when supplied their lens line for their top camera...

    It looks that video will play a big role into the future of MF makers... The sooner a maker has foreseen this (Leica seems to aim for hybrid designs and are constantly developing cinema lenses), the better his position in the future... Those who will ignore this, will unfortunately vanish... and I think some are already late... (they think that Hasselblad's recent partnership was done for Hasselblad to be used on ...drones). Indeed, some makers (and their customers) seem to be...
    What else do you think will feature the new fullframe (or larger than 44x33mm) CMOS sensor? I was hoping to see an enlarged version of IMX161 (IQ250) or the sensor used in A7R-II.

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    What else do you think will feature the new fullframe (or larger than 44x33mm) CMOS sensor? I was hoping to see an enlarged version of IMX161 (IQ250) or the sensor used in A7R-II.
    Sensors feature whatever the maker of the camera is able to apply on them... Take Pentax for instance... they use a sensor with 8K (or 4K by binning rows) video ability and only offer some useless video just to put it in the specs... Obviously one doesn't buy technology with the sensor... he either has the know how (or has access to it) or develops it, or goes to the other side and ignores it completely...

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    Hmm... the only medium format digital film camera I know of is one from Arri, and it's not like they're selling it in numbers, it's a monster you rent for very specialized types of filming (they are very demanding to film with!), I didn't think those type of cameras was serial built at all. So I've assumed MFD still photography still is the major market for larger than 135 photography, and I haven't heard otherwise except from Theodoros... but then again I'm not following the video market that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    Hmm... the only medium format digital film camera I know of is one from Arri, and it's not like they're selling it in numbers, it's a monster you rent for very specialized types of filming (they are very demanding to film with!), I didn't think those type of cameras was serial built at all. So I've assumed MFD still photography still is the major market for larger than 135 photography, and I haven't heard otherwise except from Theodoros... but then again I'm not following the video market that much.
    The Alexa 65 (Arri) uses 54.12 width sensor (Hasselblad H lenses), the Red "Weapon Dragon 8k" uses 41mm width sensor and the two Vision Research, (the Phantom 65 & the Fantom flex) use 52mm sensor... There are some conclusions one may withdraw from the above...

    1. All of them have different sensors to each other.
    2. The sensors are made exclusive for them under order (by who?), so that the camera maker can apply his technology.
    3. The sensors are made by different makers under specs for each different camera maker (as to avoid tech leakage).

    To your surprise sales are not low at all... Other than this is major equipment for the major studios, the companies run rental service world wide as for the thousands of movies to be made every year... and then, a movie can't be done with one or two or three cameras and set of lenses... The end conclusion is: A. The sensors are getting bigger in cinema by the year with MF size CMOS at the top end of them, B. These sensors "run" for tens of thousands of hours each year to serve an industry that its magnitude is in the kind of hundreds of billions world wide... I hope you get the picture...

    One more thing... the fact that Sony hasn't use the sensor yet on a camera of their own, doesn't mean that they made it for MF cameras... It simply means that they won't release the camera unless it is up to compete with the above... (a very wise thing to do...).
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    The Alexa 65 (Arri) uses 54.12 width sensor (Hasselblad H lenses), the Red weapon Dragon 8k uses 41mm width sensor and the two Vision Research, (the Phantom 65 & the Fantom flex) use 52mm sensor... There rae some conclusions one may withdraw from the above...

    1. All of them have different sensors to each other.
    2. The sensors are made exclusive for them under order (by who?), so that the camera maker can apply his technology.
    3. The sensors are made by different makers under specs for each different camera maker (as to avoid tech leakage).

    To your surprise sales are not low at all... Other than this is major equipment for each studio, the companies run rental service world wide as for the thousands of movies to be made every year... and then, a movie can't be done with one or two or three cameras and set of lenses... The end conclusion is: A. The sensors are getting bigger in cinema by the tear with MF size CMOS at the top end B. These sensors "run" for tens of thousands of hours each year to serve an industry that its magnitude is in the kind of hundreds of billions world wide... I hope you get the picture...

    One more thing... the fact that Sony hasn't use the sensor yet on a camera of their own... doesn't mean that they made it for MF cameras... It simply means that they won't release the camera unless it is up to compete with the above... (a very wise thing to do...).
    Do you mean IMX161 may well be used in the successor of the current F65 when Sony needs to have an answer for competition from ARRI 8k and RED 8k? 44x33mm isn't that big at all if compared against the 52mm sensor you mentioned above. If Hasselblad can secure a larger CMOS sensor exclusive to them, then Phase One will have a bad time...

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    Do you mean IMX161 may well be used in the successor of the current F65 when Sony needs to have an answer for competition from ARRI 8k and RED 8k?
    How can I possibly know the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    44x33mm isn't that big at all if compared against the 52mm sensor you mentioned above.
    It doesn't work like that with motion pictures... The sensors aren't like with film where the director chose the film size that would suit him... What happens with cinema now, is that the pixel size is chosen first as to suit the technology and the lens analysis that is to partnered with and then, the size depends on the number of rows needed for 8k or 6k or whatever... Take for instance the Sony sensor under discussion, if one counts the rows, he'll find that are optimum for 8k video (+ smth negligible but essential to exist), but if you count the height, you'll find that is perfect for 6k video... So that Sony may then crop the sensor and use the height as base in another (smaller) version...

    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    If Hasselblad can secure a larger CMOS sensor exclusive to them, then Phase One will have a bad time...
    An obvious conclusion....

    EDIT: And judging from the pricing policy they apply, where they seem to put the Sony sensor as entrance to the firm product (at entrance price), but also that they price all the rest so that they won't sell... and if one adds to that the Arri contract 14 months ago (which none knows what was signed in return of supplying the lenses) and the recent partnership with DJI (which is used on most movies in the film industry) they may not be at the process as to secure a sensor... they may have it already ready! ...Otherwise why do they apply the policy of "cleaning up the past" if they haven't timed the replacement?

    Mind that Leica is improving their Video performance (obviously because they work hard on the matter) for each next product (clearly aiming to enter motion picture pro quality) and they have secure their (unknown) supplier of MF sensors for the 007 long ago...
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    Mind that Leica is improving their Video performance (obviously because they work hard on the matter) for each next product (clearly aiming to enter motion picture pro quality) and they have secure their (unknown) supplier of MF sensors for the 007 long ago...
    Do you think the sensor used in Leica S 007 can necessarily do 8k video (7500 x 5000) at 60 fps or above, with sufficient readout throughput? Possibly due to processing power limitations the S 007 itself can only do 4k (4096 x 2160) in a cropped area (supposedly Super 35) at 24fps 4:2:2.

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    Do you think the sensor used in Leica S 007 can necessarily do 8k video (7500 x 5000) at 60 fps or above, with sufficient readout throughput? Possibly due to processing power limitations the S 007 itself can only do 4k (4096 x 2160) in a cropped area (supposedly Super 35) at 24fps 4:2:2.
    How can I possibly think if they can? ...They certainly seem to work on catching up with what's above them with video... and they seem to be fast learners as to catch up... (judging with the results they have present in only a couple of years...) mind their (similar to Hasselblad) pricing policy too... Obviously in P1 they are in (very) serious trouble... They now (try) to sell an XF+350 at more than double the price the H5D-50c Wi Fi is... a direct competitive product... Who can argue with that? (trolls & funboys can for sure... )

    Look what has started happening in the sales forums with S/H P1 back prices... it's full of them for months without customers...
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    Theodoros,

    Are you sure you know what "troll" means?

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    Theodoros,

    Are you sure you know what "troll" means?
    Sure... a Norwegian ugly "doll"... I have a collection of them... (both real ones that I got last time I visited Norway and... web ones)...

    EDIT: They are supposed to "grow" where they was no "feeding" for them as to... troll... It's originated from the old Greek tradition of the "Kalikantzaros" myth... (google it...) where creatures from the underworld jump in the real world as to mess it up... "mess things up intentionally" is the definition of a troll... don't you agree?
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    (trolls & funboys can for sure... )

    Look what has started happening in the sales forums with S/H P1 back prices... it's full of them for months without customers...
    Pot calling the kettle black? What's the matter, Theodoros, getting lonely under your bridge, or is no one taking your bait at the other forum?

    Speaking of funboys (sp), I do miss your Sinar crystal ball readings.

    And thanks for the heads up on the used P1 pricing. Looks like it may be a viable option for me temporarily as I still can't get a new system as supply<demand. Or maybe they won't sell one to me, because they think I know you or something.

    Please come up with something new; predictability is boring.

    Have "fun"

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    Some times I do wonder.... Do moderators of sites find the behaviour of trolls (the messing up the conversation thing) like the above, helpful for their own pockets?

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    Some times I do wonder.... Do moderators of sites find the behaviour of trolls (the messing up the conversation thing) like the above, helpful for their own pockets?
    Oh no...Dasscoles meets Voidshitter...this is better than "Episode VII - The Force Awakens"!!!!!!

    Sinleica Lovechild vs. CMOS loverboy - Episode 1 Get a room! PM is your friend.

    DPI needs to ensure IPR on this thread ASAP. This is an epic in the making, yet to be filmed on a 80mmx60mm CMOS 350MP IBIS COBISS NOBISS NOPHASE sensor from Hyundai.

    BTW, Dasscoles = Theodoras if that was not clear before....but one wonders why people with such strong opinions don't use their real names.
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    Some times I do wonder.... Do moderators of sites find the behaviour of trolls (the messing up the conversation thing) like the above, helpful for their own pockets?
    Two of the main advertisers here sell and support P1. Not sure if you have done business with either, but both are well respected and many members, including myself, have done business with one or both. Do you think that your constant P1 bashing/digs/angst are helpful to the advertisers who help support this forum?

    Personally, I applaud what Hasselblad is doing, regardless of the SPECULATION as to why they are doing it. I love that I have choices and support anything or anyone that allows me to keep having choices, especially when those choices have an easier cost of entry. But I don't begrudge anyone either if that choice is beyond my financial means or understanding. You think P1 is overpriced -- we get it, how could we not? Instead of your incessant subtle bitching at Phase being too expensive/overpriced/doomed, why not simply praise Hasselblad for the new pricing and leave it at that? Why does it bother you so much?

    Go Hasselblad/PhaseOne/Leica/Sinar(hopefully)/Pentax!

    Shoot more, bitch less...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DucatiTerminator View Post
    Instead of your incessant subtle bitching at Phase .....
    Shoot more, bitch less...

    D.Troll
    You're too kind, subtle is not the word I would have chosen.
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    Theodoros,

    Are you sure you know what "troll" means?
    Sure... a Norwegian ugly "doll"... I have a collection of them... (both real ones that I got last time I visited Norway and... web ones)...

    They are supposed to "grow" where there was no "feeding" for them as to... troll! It's originated from the old Greek tradition of the "Kalikantzaros" myth... (google it...) where creatures from the underworld jump in the real world as to mess it up...

    To "mess things up intentionally" (or trying to divert a conversation because it is to the benefit of competition to ones "fanboyism") is the definition of a troll... don't you agree?
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    Well this thread is becoming hard to understand and too technic for me.....
    the problem i think is the future of Hasselblad and MFD brands all... but in general all brand's make some discounts for Holidays !!


    All the brand in this period of consumes restriction and lowering of orders, significant improvement on DSLR and Phones IQ and the lowered quality needed by the media that are going more and more on the web.... to run a MF business more than ever it's like they get to cross the desert...

    and about it, it's important to know something about the camel brick-red ! (very important in photography....)


    Time ago an american tourist decides to make the crossing of the desert Sahara...
    to do so he decides to go to a camel merchant to buy a Camel.

    At the entrance of the store sees an inscription: "Camels Normal: $ 10000. Camels brick red: $ 50000 ".

    Curious about that big difference he asked about both, the manager of the store says: "The normal camels certainly he knows them,
    Brick red ones are special one prepared to cross the entire Sahara !!"

    The tourist more curious than before ask in what consist the preparation to justify the big price difference ?

    Then the manager of the store says: "When at the beverage, we take two red bricks, creeps up behind the camel, crushing the testicles with the bricks ... The beast does uuuuuuuuuuu and inhaling more water, up to the neck"



    Then with more Water (read DJI and new Holidays customer) , Hasselblad maybe can cross the desert, maybe....
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    The Alexa 65 (Arri) uses 54.12 width sensor (Hasselblad H lenses)
    Someone just told me that the Alexa 65 uses Panavision Primo 70 lenses, instead of Hasselblad H lenses. Is it true? Also, I would assume that lenses made in America or Japan would lack the "German rendition".

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    Well this thread is becoming hard to understand and too technic for me.....
    the problem i think is the future of Hasselblad and MFD brands all... but in general all brand's make some discounts for Holidays !!


    All the brand in this period of consumes restriction and lowering of orders, significant improvement on DSLR and Phones IQ and the lowered quality needed by the media that are going more and more on the web
    I think another factore (be it small but growing) has to do with the fact that each MF brand is trying to capture a larger piece of a shrinking pie. The DMF market has largely been for the professional photographer, and with the worldwide economy being what it is, companies that use these photographers have ever shrinking budgets with which to work, and have to maximize their advertising budgets. The difference is that if photographer A (who is a DMF shooter) charges $XX for a particular assignment in order to cover his overhead and show some profit, and photographer B (who is a DSLR shooter) charges 30% less for the same assignment, as his overhead is lower due to the cost of his equipment being lower, and the needs of the client dont quite justify the difference in IQ between DMF and DSLR, then photograoher B may start to pick up some of photographer A's business.
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    Someone just told me that the Alexa 65 uses Panavision Primo 70 lenses, instead of Hasselblad H lenses. Is it true? Also, I would assume that lenses made in America or Japan would lack the "German rendition".
    http://press.hasselblad.com/press-re...aboration.aspx

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    Well this thread is becoming hard to understand and too technic for me.....
    the problem i think is the future of Hasselblad and MFD brands all... but in general all brand's make some discounts for Holidays !!


    All the brand in this period of consumes restriction and lowering of orders, significant improvement on DSLR and Phones IQ and the lowered quality needed by the media that are going more and more on the web.... to run a MF business more than ever it's like they get to cross the desert...

    and about it, it's important to know something about the camel brick-red ! (very important in photography....)


    Time ago an american tourist decides to make the crossing of the desert Sahara...
    to do so he decides to go to a camel merchant to buy a Camel.

    At the entrance of the store sees an inscription: "Camels Normal: $ 10000. Camels brick red: $ 50000 ".

    Curious about that big difference he asked about both, the manager of the store says: "The normal camels certainly he knows them,
    Brick red ones are special one prepared to cross the entire Sahara !!"

    The tourist more curious than before ask in what consist the preparation to justify the big price difference ?

    Then the manager of the store says: "When at the beverage, we take two red bricks, creeps up behind the camel, crushing the testicles with the bricks ... The beast does uuuuuuuuuuu and inhaling more water, up to the neck"



    Then with more Water (read DJI and new Holidays customer) , Hasselblad maybe can cross the desert, maybe....
    I love this camel story...I have not heard this for a couple of decades and you made me laugh when I read it.

    So are you saying Hasselblad has had its testicles squashed?

    LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxshafiq View Post
    I love this camel story...I have not heard this for a couple of decades and you made me laugh when I read it.

    So are you saying Hasselblad has had its testicles squashed?

    LMAO
    Always when You are selling at 40% off... But then You have the water !!
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