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    Hi folks

    I'm really enticed by the new rebate on the H5D-50c....... and would like to hear from any users ....

    Thanks

    S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post
    Hi folks

    I'm really enticed by the new rebate on the H5D-50c....... and would like to hear from any users ....

    Thanks

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    Apart from buyer's remorse regarding massive depreciation (which should be treated as common for electronic products) I'm sure it's a very decent camera.

    The only question remains when Sony is going to announce the next 50+ MP sensor in 35mm format - probably in January? (According to Sonyalpharumors)

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    I really don't care about a 50mp+ 35mm camera......least of all a Sony.

    Sorry - dedicated Nikon and HB user.

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    I have been severely tempted to buy back into the MF arena with either the Pentax 645z or now with the new offer on the Hasselblad H5D-50c

    I was a Hassy shooter for many many years, but when I upgraded my IQ from the 180 to the 260 I got a DF+ as part of the deal so I ended up selling off my Hassy and lenses since I primarily was using my digital back on my tech cam. I much preferred the Hassy body and controls but that could be because I didn't shoot the Phase anywhere near as much and didnt get used to it.

    With the Pentax I would get the body and 3 lenses for the same price I would get the Hassy H5D-50c for, but I did so love the Hasselblad body.

    I doubt you would regret it.
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    I really don't care about a 50mp+ 35mm camera......least of all a Sony.

    Sorry - dedicated Nikon and HB user.

    I understand that. I also hate Sony's FF mirrorless for the way to choose AF mode and switch AF points as they lack a decent touch screen. I also hate Sony's STL as I never liked that structure (even worse than SLR). However, apart from our subjective feelings that we don't care about Sony's 35mm cameras, it is a fact of life that a smaller format with more pixels, when coupled with a decent enough lens, can beat a larger format with less pixels. An example would be the 645D vs the A7R-II as shown below:

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    The last time when the H4D-40 offered a huge discount was when Nikon announced their D800/D800E. I know that Hasselblad shooters wouldn't care about Nikon, but that's how market goes. A 50+ MP camera from Sony means a possibility for a Nikon D900 as well.



    I know with a Sony 35mm camera you'll not get the leaf shutter for 1/800 sync, or the feeling of wielding a medium format. Sometimes only personal preference matters.

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    Re: calling H5D-50c users

    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post
    Hi folks

    I'm really enticed by the new rebate on the H5D-50c....... and would like to hear from any users ....

    Thanks

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    I upgraded from the H4D-40 to the H5D-50c and I am really loving it. The sensor is amazing and the True Focus II is great. I also got the 50mm II lens to add to my collection of lenses and it is an amazing lens. My favorite thing about the Hasselblad system is the HTS 1.5 tilt-shift adapter - it becomes a technical camera but with many electronic help (except autofocus), e.g. exposure metering, lens correction, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    I understand that. I also hate Sony's FF mirrorless f... A 50+ MP camera from Sony means a possibility for a Nikon D900 as well.
    I'll wait for a similar Nikon development - been using their bodies for the past 30 years - too familiar with the ergonomics to switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masud View Post
    I upgraded from the H4D-40 to the H5D-50c and I am really loving it. The sensor is amazing and the True Focus II is great. I also got the 50mm II lens to add to my collection of lenses and it is an amazing lens. My favorite thing about the Hasselblad system is the HTS 1.5 tilt-shift adapter - it becomes a technical camera but with many electronic help (except autofocus), e.g. exposure metering, lens correction, etc.
    Thanks - very helpful.

    Still need to convince the finance ministry....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post
    I'll wait for a similar Nikon development - been using their bodies for the past 30 years - too familiar with the ergonomics to switch.
    I like Nikon ergonomics too! However there is no 17mm TS-E lens for Nikon. Lacking a killer wide-angle lens is really a waste of the astonishing dynamic range. Besides that, some "inside source" just told me that Nikon is currently focusing on the D5, indicating no D900 to utilize the 50+ MP Sony sensor in the near future...

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    Re: calling H5D-50c users

    Hi S,

    don't own the H5D-50c (yet) but as an owner of an old H3DII-31 considering to upgrade to a new H system soon I'd
    like to share some thoughts for your consideration:
    - My wife recently got the CFV50c and i believe the sensor is the same as in the H5D50c. The technical image quality
    is beyond what i have seen so far, its just phenomenal. Life View works well and is responsive when modifying focus
    We have a CFV-16 (which has its own strengths) and the H3D31II to compare with but the CFV50c is in another league
    altogether. PM me if you'd like some raw files.
    - There will be something new coming in the H lineup at photokina 2016, no idea what it is but our dealer indicated that
    to us. Might be part of the reason HB has those promotions at the moment, who knows.

    I for myself will most likely not jump onto the H5D50c at this point. Will wait for photokina'16 and then make a decision.
    The good thing with those promotions is that its hard to justify for any vendor to increase prices after the promotion ends
    so I'd hope the prices for the H5D50c won't go up again.

    Anyway, the offering is indeed tempting, above is just my personal thought. If you're after it go for it, its a great system
    for a good price, you can't do anything wrong here.

    Best Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmueller View Post

    I for myself will most likely not jump onto the H5D50c at this point. Will wait for photokina'16 and then make a decision.
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    i too hope that with the help of fuji hassalblad will show us a real modern state of the art mf camera and not just a pimped version of the same old technology like the new phaseone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmueller View Post
    Hi S,

    don't own the H5D-50c (yet) but as an owner of an old H3DII-31 considering to upgrade to a new H system soon I'd
    like to share some thoughts for your consideration:
    - My wife recently got the CFV50c and i believe the sensor is the same as in the H5D50c. The technical image quality
    is beyond what i have seen so far, its just phenomenal. Life View works well and is responsive when modifying focus
    We have a CFV-16 (which has its own strengths) and the H3D31II to compare with but the CFV50c is in another league
    altogether. PM me if you'd like some raw files.
    - There will be something new coming in the H lineup at photokina 2016, no idea what it is but our dealer indicated that
    to us. Might be part of the reason HB has those promotions at the moment, who knows.

    I for myself will most likely not jump onto the H5D50c at this point. Will wait for photokina'16 and then make a decision.
    The good thing with those promotions is that its hard to justify for any vendor to increase prices after the promotion ends
    so I'd hope the prices for the H5D50c won't go up again.

    Anyway, the offering is indeed tempting, above is just my personal thought. If you're after it go for it, its a great system
    for a good price, you can't do anything wrong here.

    Best Regards,
    Ralf
    Thanks for the info Ralf, and kind offer - I'll take you up on that.

    I'm playing around with my old H3D31 - and it is a nice feeling - somehow MF does have a different magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    Apart from buyer's remorse regarding massive depreciation (which should be treated as common for electronic products) I'm sure it's a very decent camera.

    The only question remains when Sony is going to announce the next 50+ MP sensor in 35mm format - probably in January? (According to Sonyalpharumors)
    Camera gear does not make good financial instruments. Horrible ones in fact. And medium format digital is even worse given the much higher prices and correspondingly higher depreciation in cash terms but not in % of purchase $ terms. I mean a Canon that was 3500 new might go for 1000 in 4-5 years, thats over 70% decrease, get a H5D-50c now for 15K and in 4-5 years it mill most likely still be worth well over 5k so % wise it has less depreciation. Yes, full price a Phase One IQ Back might be the worst (lets take a IQ380 for $49k list, in 4-5 years you sell it for $15k (on the low side), thats about 70% depreciation, same as the Canon, lot more money yes, but % wise, about the same).

    If you want to have a much lower % of depreciation then buy used. There are a LOT of options nowadays.

    Of all the digital backs Id say the sweet spot is the IQ160. It works well with a wide range of lenses including tech camera lenses, the large sensor gives you wider angle of view with available lenses, tethers very well, produces really nice file with deep color depth and differentiation and dynamic range plus gobs of resolution potential. It is still expensive but can be had at a price that won't depreciate much. The Credo 60 is similar for a few grand less although the IQ series is/feels more robust and have a few more features. Once the IQ150 are available at lower prices that is a great back as well, specially for SLR use and longer focal lengths. The Credo 40 and IQ140 backs are also very very nice specially if you do not mind the crop, they are very nice backs for tech camera use.

    Regarding whats next from Sony it doesnt really matter. The current cameras/backs will still depreciate (as explained above) and its not like the current sensors are gonna stop working when the new Sony comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    Camera gear does not make good financial instruments. Horrible ones in fact. And medium format digital is even worse given the much higher prices and correspondingly higher depreciation in cash terms but not in % of purchase $ terms. I mean a Canon that was 3500 new might go for 1000 in 4-5 years, thats over 70% decrease, get a H5D-50c now for 15K and in 4-5 years it mill most likely still be worth well over 5k so % wise it has less depreciation. Yes, full price a Phase One IQ Back might be the worst (lets take a IQ380 for $49k list, in 4-5 years you sell it for $15k (on the low side), thats about 70% depreciation, same as the Canon, lot more money yes, but % wise, about the same).

    If you want to have a much lower % of depreciation then buy used. There are a LOT of options nowadays.
    I agree. If you buy the Hasselblad at full price then the depreciation could still be high. If you buy used Phase One and sell it with a trade-in offer when a new product is released, then the depreciation could be even less. However if a product is offering a huge discount then there is indication that it *may* soon lose the technology superiority due to something new is going to be released soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    Of all the digital backs Id say the sweet spot is the IQ160. It works well with a wide range of lenses including tech camera lenses,
    Yes it is perhaps still the best sweet spot for architecture I believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    the large sensor gives you wider angle of view with available lenses,
    Not true when you need shift capability for wide angles. For single exposure, you could get a wider angle of view with an IQ150 + 23HR combo than that you could get with an IQ160 + 32HR combo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    tethers very well,
    Agreed. Just lacks a good Live View.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    produces really nice file with deep color depth
    This is perhaps useless as the lower 4-bits out of the 16-bits are noise. The only possible usage for the extra color bit precision is perhaps when I want to do heavy post-processing of a certain flat highlight area with almost pure color and attempt to bring out texture details out of it by applying some heavy HDR filters or super-micro-contrast boost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    and differentiation and dynamic range
    Given that it is compared against Canon, and is not doing long exposure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    plus gobs of resolution potential.
    No doubt it is still providing sufficient pixel count and sharpness, and has more tolerance for lenses than smaller formats like 44x33.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    It is still expensive but can be had at a price that won't depreciate much.
    Not quite sure about this, as the P25+ still had further room to depreciate. However I get your point that when the second hand price is below a certain threshold you no longer care about depreciation that much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    Regarding whats next from Sony it doesnt really matter. The current cameras/backs will still depreciate (as explained above) and its not like the current sensors are gonna stop working when the new Sony comes out.
    I still believe it matters and the depreciation of medium format is driven by technology advancement of 35mm format. However I agree with you that you wouldn't need to care about these 35mm format products when your shooting requirements are relying on heavily specialized gear such like technical cameras (if depreciation is nothing to be worried about).

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    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    Not true when you need shift capability for wide angles. For single exposure, you could get a wider angle of view with an IQ150 + 23HR combo than that you could get with an IQ160 + 32HR combo.
    I believe the IQ150 (and any of the backs with the same sensor) do not work well with the 23HR lens at all. The alternative is the Canon 24mm TS-E II (which also works well on the IQ160 where you get wider angle of view in a single shot) but obviously you need a shutter unit system.

    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    I still believe it matters and the depreciation of medium format is driven by technology advancement of 35mm format.
    35mm is limited and always will be by the size of the sensor. Its just physics. Yes it is at the forefront of technology since its the format with the much higher sales (in the ILC world alongside APS-C) but with the Sony sensor Medium Format is right there at the cutting edge. The CCD sensors, while obviously not technically as advanced as the newer CMOS sensors, do offer something different and are still a great alternative for a lot of people. They are still being used to produce stunning imagery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    I believe the IQ150 (and any of the backs with the same sensor) do not work well with the 23HR lens at all.
    If you are picky with color precision then yes the shift capability is very limited, but otherwise it's very usable for me (see my previous tests). The IQ250 + 23HR combo is my most used combo. I even shot a photography magazine cover with that combo when it was shifted 6mm (which was well enough to move the skyline to golden ratio position).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    The alternative is the Canon 24mm TS-E II (which also works well on the IQ160 where you get wider angle of view in a single shot) but obviously you need a shutter unit system.
    I belive the Canon 24mm TS-E II has very similar usable image circle as the Canon 17mm TS-E has, which indicates that if you mount it with something like an Alpa fps with a fullframe sensor like the IQ160 you would still get very limited room for shift. Gerald did a comparison between the 23HR and the 24mm TSE-II and the 23HR had sharper corners. When I tested the Canon 17mm TS-E on the IQ260, I never liked the lens as it had very limited room for shift, and the corners are very soft unless you stop the lens down to f16 which makes the whole picture prone to softness due to diffraction. Even if you surrender Rodenstock-level sharpness and opt for a 24mm TSE-II + IQ160 combo, I still doubt you could get a useful shift to move the skyline to the golden ratio position of the picture given that the official image circle is only 67mm. I did not pick the Alpa FPS route because the shift of the 17mm TS-E and 24mm TS-E relies on the front element of the lens (instead of the digital back), and the shift of longer Rodenstock lenses would still rely on another technical camera of the Alpa 12 series (e.g. STC, MAX etc), and many Rodenstock lenses will not be compatible with such FPS movement combo. It is also a lot heavier, much less practical for hiking.

    Edit: I found a sample image with the 24mm TS-E II + IQ180 combo. The usable shift was only 3mm (with very soft corners), which is the same as the 17mm TS-E lens, far from enough to move the skyline to golden ratio position. Credit goes to chrismuc. I would say 3mm shift of fullframe is hardly anything close to 6mm shift of a smaller format.

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    Also, don't forget that due to the limitations of the Canon mount, when you shift a fullframe 645 sensor on a TS-E lens you also cripple the lower part (hard vignetting) of the image. This isn't a problem for stitching but could be a problem for single exposure. (and again, you get parallax errors when you stitch shifts by moving the front element of the TS-E lens)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    35mm is limited and always will be by the size of the sensor. Its just physics. Yes it is at the forefront of technology since its the format with the much higher sales (in the ILC world alongside APS-C) but with the Sony sensor Medium Format is right there at the cutting edge. The CCD sensors, while obviously not technically as advanced as the newer CMOS sensors, do offer something different and are still a great alternative for a lot of people. They are still being used to produce stunning imagery.
    What is your opinion with the Phase One P25+? It has 2x the size as the Canon 5DSR, but could you find evidence that when the Canon 5DSR is coupled with a decent enough lens (e.g. Sigma Art or Zeiss Otus) how does the P25+ win detail reproduction? (PS: I totally agree that new products will not stop older products from making stunning images.)
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    It would seem if live view is one of Hasselblad's greatest weaknesses that alone would be enough to replace the 50C and just to sweeten the pot add a 3-4mb screen, a little more ISO and a few tweaks to the body and you have a mid year model release before photokina!!!
    Photokina announcement would likely include a 2017 new sensor release?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bab View Post
    It would seem if live view is one of Hasselblad's greatest weaknesses that alone would be enough to replace the 50C and just to sweeten the pot add a 3-4mb screen, a little more ISO and a few tweaks to the body and you have a mid year model release before photokina!!!
    Photokina announcement would likely include a 2017 new sensor release?....
    Live view works well on the Hassleblads that have the CMOS sensor, the H5D-50c (with or without Wi Fi) and the CFV-50c for the V series. The display on the back could have been better but it is usable with live view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masud View Post
    Live view works well on the Hassleblads that have the CMOS sensor, the H5D-50c (with or without Wi Fi) and the CFV-50c for the V series. The display on the back could have been better but it is usable with live view.
    Encouraging to here that you find Live View to work well. Can you expand on how you use it?
    When I use Live View the picture at 100% never gets sharp. And it is not only a rather underwelming screen that is at fault.
    It gives me some help in focusing but not as much as I am used to form other cameras (Leica, Nikon)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post
    Hi folks

    I'm really enticed by the new rebate on the H5D-50c....... and would like to hear from any users ....

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    Hi Swissblad !

    What can I say, owning this camera since when it's appeared on the market curious about CCD / CMOS rendition / Film Look etc, after months of testing and use, I'm very satisfied on the result, the image quality at base ISO is the same if not better than my previous H4D-40 CCD, above ISO 200 the difference in image quality is massive, I have used it also at ISO 6400 with very good result much more better than any 35mm reflex...

    To me, good points to go over the H5D-50c is the HC Lens family that's very complete, then the used market is full of good deals making possible to have a good kit of lenses with a fraction of the cost.

    The last firmware release have strongly improved the reliability of this camera and then I never faced any error or lockups, the LCD display is not top notch like the latest 35mm DSLR but is large and improved in respect of the H4 serie, the live view of the H5D-50c / WiFi is working very well but to be sincere I often use it because the high quality and precision of the Viewfinder that's like to see from a balcony..

    Talking of special functions that other's only dream on, there is the True Focus II thats very useful for portrait or in studio work also for fast product photo, the GIL (global Image Localizer) requires no iPad / Phone to capture the image with and for specific architecture / geological work is an advantage, finally the integrated color calibration flow permit to profile the sensor for very critic color specific work's (IE art reproduction) with high level result also without multishot, the HTS is another accessory that adds T/S to many of the lens (from 24mm to 100mm) permitting the use of the camera like a thecnical camera (with some restriction)...

    I'm a H5D-50c user not a talker that have never touched it... I don't drive any Hasselblad or Phase or Nikon or Canon shop / business, But I admit I'm little biased about this camera that never left me unsatisfied ..

    Conclusion:
    If today I have to buy MF camera considering Lens family, Image Quality, Functions, and price... I buy the H5D-50c WiFi hand's down.

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    I'm a H5D-50c user not a talker that have never touched it... I don't drive any Hasselblad or Phase or Nikon or Canon shop / business, But I admit I'm little biased about this camera that never left me unsatisfied ..

    Conclusion:
    If today I have to buy MF camera considering Lens family, Image Quality, Functions, and price... I buy the H5D-50c WiFi hand's down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masud View Post
    Live view works well on the Hassleblads that have the CMOS sensor, the H5D-50c (with or without Wi Fi) and the CFV-50c for the V series. The display on the back could have been better but it is usable with live view.
    That's what I'm saying when I'm in the studio with a 30" monitor I can see how bad my Manual focus efforts are, sometimes autofocus is not available....when in the feild especially using the HTS a 100% clear sharp live view would be a big help. Also the HTS for stiching is great but tilting the HTS because of the 1.5X is limiting for many scenes. Live view directly to an iPad without the need for wifi would be the answer to the limited screen resolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bab View Post
    That's what I'm saying when I'm in the studio with a 30" monitor I can see how bad my Manual focus efforts are, sometimes autofocus is not available....when in the feild especially using the HTS a 100% clear sharp live view would be a big help. Also the HTS for stiching is great but tilting the HTS because of the 1.5X is limiting for many scenes. Live view directly to an iPad without the need for wifi would be the answer to the limited screen resolution.
    I will try the iPad live view idea in the field later this week (if I can make it work) and report back.

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    I'm a H5D-50c user not a talker that have never touched it... I don't drive any Hasselblad or Phase or Nikon or Canon shop / business, But I admit I'm little biased about this camera that never left me unsatisfied ..

    Conclusion:
    If today I have to buy MF camera considering Lens family, Image Quality, Functions, and price... I buy the H5D-50c WiFi hand's down.
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    Maybe that cool-aid lacked value and didn’t appeal?
    never trust the opinion of anyone who lists a load of gear in their forum signature. Dealers do not email me asking to buy your products.

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    seems like you would have to tether the CFV-50c back to a computer running Phocus and with a firewire connection; not sure how you could do that with an ipad...

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    So you've personally used a Phase One XF with an IQ3 back?

    .....you don´t need to touch a phaseone camera to know that hasselblad is the more complete and reliable system.
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    .....you don´t need to touch a phaseone camera to know that hasselblad is the more complete and reliable system.
    where is the unlike button?

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    where is the unlike button?
    do you have a problem when somebody has a differnt view from his own experience with hasselbald and is not impressed by the phaseone marketing avalanche ?
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    next to the ‘buy it now button’ ?
    never trust the opinion of anyone who lists a load of gear in their forum signature. Dealers do not email me asking to buy your products.
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    ".....you don´t need to touch a phaseone camera to know that hasselblad is the more complete and reliable system."

    Actually, maybe you do. You don't need to touch a Phase One camera to know that Hasselblad is a complete and reliable system, but you might to show that it's more complete and reliable than the Phase XF system. I don't own either, and wouldn't presume to compare them.

    On the other hand, if I asked a question about people's experience with a Hasselblad camera, I might be a bit annoyed getting a bunch of suggestions about Sony and Pentax and Phase. But that response often seems to be the rule rather than the exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    "You don't need to touch a Phase One camera to know that Hasselblad is a complete and reliable system, but you might to show that it's more complete and reliable than the Phase XF system
    Exactly

    I used to shoot the H2F body and later the H4X with my Phase back and I did like the Hasselblad body. I got rid of my Hassy gear when I upgraded from the IQ180 to the IQ260 and got a Phase DF+ as part of the kit, which was fine as I rarely was using the MFDSLR body and primarily shot my MFDB on a tech cam. When I did use the DF+ it was not quite the same as the Hasselblad body as it didnt seem to be built as well, and I was not as used to the controls, but my images were still very good.

    I have not used the XF but from everything I have heard and read, it is a monumental step forward for Phase as far as the camera itself.
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    Re: calling H5D-50c users

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    So you've personally used a Phase One XF with an IQ3 back?
    To be honest, no, but I've used the 645 DF+ with Schneider Kreuznach 80mm LS F2,8 Lens and IQ250 back with Capture One 8 etc.
    well' the 645 DF+ body is surely different than the new XF... that improve some ergonomic aspects and finally have a detachable viewfinder like H body had since years 2000, the seismic sensor is a good think and the more accurate and fast AF is surely improved i don't know if IQ350 have big differences than the 250.

    So So I've tested it, but not used for months... At the end I've concluded that the 50c and IQ250 respectively produces the same results, IQ had warmer tone than 50c that's all.

    Price wise the Phase solution to me was too expensive that's why I've decided to go straight with Hasselblad, I was an H4D-40 owner and Phase offered me a very good exchange price to go on their system... but then I have to re buy lenses, and some one don't even exist... (HCD 24mm, HCD 35-90, HC 100mm F2.2, HC 300, HTS 1.5 etc..)

    One solution for me is to change the H5D-50c with a H5X with IQ250 / IQ350 but I didn't find the advantage (especially price / result wise) .

    That's my situation Dough, any idea ?

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    .....you don´t need to touch a phaseone camera to know that hasselblad is the more complete and reliable system.
    Can you elaborate on this? I have no brand loyalty to either company, and I'm sure I'd be happy with either, however, if I really want/need an 80MP back or prefer a C1P/tethered workflow, how does that make the Hasselblad more complete and reliable as a system for me?

    The H5D-50c rebate certainly makes the price enticing for sure, and I hope it encourages new users to MFD. I do find it funny that for all that have replied to this thread, myself included, only two posters are actually users of the camera per the OP's original request.
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    Re: calling H5D-50c users

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    To be honest, no, but I've used the 645 DF+ with Schneider Kreuznach 80mm LS F2,8 Lens and IQ250 back with Capture One 8 etc.
    well' the 645 DF+ body is surely different than the new XF... that improve some ergonomic aspects and finally have a detachable viewfinder like H body had since years 2000, the seismic sensor is a good think and the more accurate and fast AF is surely improved i don't know if IQ350 have big differences than the 250.

    So So I've tested it, but not used for months... At the end I've concluded that the 50c and IQ250 respectively produces the same results, IQ had warmer tone than 50c that's all.

    Price wise the Phase solution to me was too expensive that's why I've decided to go straight with Hasselblad, I was an H4D-40 owner and Phase offered me a very good exchange price to go on their system... but then I have to re buy lenses, and some one don't even exist... (HCD 24mm, HCD 35-90, HC 100mm F2.2, HC 300, HTS 1.5 etc..)

    One solution for me is to change the H5D-50c with a H5X with IQ250 / IQ350 but I didn't find the advantage (especially price / result wise) .

    That's my situation Dough, any idea ?

    Best regards, Domenico.
    I'm not trying to argue whether it was the best choice for you or not; that's way too personal and I don't know much (if anything) about your wants/needs etc. Especially if you already had several Hassy lenses* I can understand your choice, and the H5D is a very nice system. I was just clarifying that your comments ("If today I have to buy MF camera considering Lens family, Image Quality, Functions, and price... I buy the H5D-50c WiFi hand's down.") was made based on comparisons you've made to the DF+ and without hands on with the new XF. The XF is an absolute game changer when comparing Phase kits with Hassy kits. Maybe had the XF been available and had you tried it you would still prefer the H, or maybe the XF would have gotten your vote; don't know until you try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    I'm not trying to argue whether it was the best choice for you or not; that's way too personal and I don't know much (if anything) about your wants/needs etc. Especially if you already had several Hassy lenses* I can understand your choice, and the H5D is a very nice system. I was just clarifying that your comments ("If today I have to buy MF camera considering Lens family, Image Quality, Functions, and price... I buy the H5D-50c WiFi hand's down.") was made based on comparisons you've made to the DF+ and without hands on with the new XF. The XF is an absolute game changer when comparing Phase kits with Hassy kits. Maybe had the XF been available and had you tried it you would still prefer the H, or maybe the XF would have gotten your vote; don't know until you try it.
    A "game changer" for Phase One (as yet not even Leaf!) but at what price of entry? Hasselblad's pricing is in the open and is very attractive. I ask again, what's the price on a new IQ150 or 250 and XF with 80mm lens?

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    If you need to ask for the price then you can't afford it.
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    A "game changer" for Phase One (as yet not even Leaf!) but at what price of entry? Hasselblad's pricing is in the open and is very attractive. I ask again, what's the price on a new IQ150 or 250 and XF with 80mm lens?
    i think you have to ‘do the dance’ to get an answer to that, but it’s nearly christmas so if you enter into negotiations now you might end up with a nice mousemat, phase branded lens cloth or perhaps a mediocre bottle of californian wine?
    never trust the opinion of anyone who lists a load of gear in their forum signature. Dealers do not email me asking to buy your products.
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    One solution for me is to change the H5D-50c with a H5X with IQ250 / IQ350 but I didn't find the advantage (especially price / result wise) .
    Image quality wise, they should be as close to identical as you can get.

    The only differences at that point become:

    1) What is your current workflow. If you are used to processing through C1Pro then the IQ back is the only option since it doesn't support Hasselblad files. If you use Phocus then you are fine with the H5D-50c

    2) If you arent looking for support from your rep for your system then Hasselblad may be a better fit due to the savings, but with the Phase, you do have excellent dealer support (at least I did with both CI and DT)

    3) What have you been shooting, and what your use will be going forward. If you have been a Phase shooter, then with the release of the new XF and lenses, there is no real advantage to switching. If you have been a Hasselblad user and have their lenses, and dont use a tech cam, then the Hasselblad system is a very good fit for you.

    Either way, both systems are excellent and each have their merits and if your images are not up to snuff, you cant blame the equipment as you basically have the best that money can buy. Its not one system is better than the other, it is more of a personal preference I guess, and I used both systems and enjoyed each one.
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    i think you have to ‘do the dance’ to get an answer to that, but it’s nearly christmas so if you enter into negotiations now you might end up with a nice mousemat, phase branded lens cloth or perhaps a mediocre bottle of californian wine?
    For sure, but I very much doubt the price you do a dance to get would be near the level of the Hasselblad H5D-50c (which the OP was enquiring about!)

    And if you live anywhere other than the US then the Phase dealer network (where much of the price premium seems to go) isn't worth a damn. What some dealers on here fail to realise is that their level of service is in no way comparible to what one would receive in other places of the world, where the dealer network actually makes everything harder in terms of after sales support and (less than competitive) pricing. No number of mouse mats or cheap wine can make up for that!

    Hasselblad has a great system in the H. There's elements of it that could be refined (such as the backs UI and tethering interface) but in my opinion (particulary for the way I personally shoot) it is in no way lagging behind the Phase system overall. And at the current pricing, especially if one needs a system where the back can be removed and used on a tech camera (where the Pentax can't) it's presents very good value for money.

    To the OP, I'd say if you can afford it book a test drive, it's a great product and more than competitive. I'm sure you'll like it.
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    Re: calling H5D-50c users

    SwissBlad,

    Hasselblad's recent G+ post links to a review of CFV-50c, you may find it helpful:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/114400702583379697119
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    Re: calling H5D-50c users

    I recently was in the same decision process. I was quite intrigued by the Hasselblad offer also, but at the end I decided to go for the Leica S, type 007. The price difference between the two bodies is not that big that this would be the main criteria.

    Testing a little bit both systems, when I was in Europe lately, I preferred a lot the handling and ergonomics of the Leica. Also the difference between the two sensors seems to be not enough to let go these sweet Leica S lenses. It is not only about MP, but also about acuity, micro contrast, colors, out of focus rendering, etc. The lenses are more expensive, yes, but again, not that much (especially when you get a discount), and I find the lens family more interesting as a whole, and in case I need a Hasselblad lens (or Contax, or Pentax, or Mamiya), I could adapt it.

    P1, the new body seems nice, but the whole system is too bulky and expensive for me, and I am not in need for a modular system for Tech, but I need a system which can stand some bad weather conditions.

    As regards service, I agree that the advantage of P1 is limited to some hotspots on the planet (although I admit their network is better overall). Same holds for Leica. If you live outside these hotpsots, as me (South America), you better have a system that does work flawlessly, but that depends sometimes more on luck than anything other ….
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    SwissBlad,

    Hasselblad's recent G+ post links to a review of CFV-50c, you may find it helpful:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/114400702583379697119
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    Hi folks

    I'm really enticed by the new rebate on the H5D-50c....... and would like to hear from any users ....

    Thanks

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    Hi Swissblad

    I use the H5d-50c for work about 30% of the time for architecture, product and portrait/fashion canon for the other 70% its a great camera Wifi is also very nice for client viewing on ipad , it is a bit slow on the auto focus, and it does need to be restarted occasionally but the results will not disappoint


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    Re: calling H5D-50c users

    Hey Doug any reason why at least one of digital transitions locations can't be a authorized dealer for Hasselblad?

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    Re: calling H5D-50c users

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    I understand that. I also hate Sony's FF mirrorless for the way to choose AF mode and switch AF points as they lack a decent touch screen. I also hate Sony's STL as I never liked that structure (even worse than SLR). However, apart from our subjective feelings that we don't care about Sony's 35mm cameras, it is a fact of life that a smaller format with more pixels, when coupled with a decent enough lens, can beat a larger format with less pixels. An example would be the 645D vs the A7R-II as shown below:

    Link for 645D sample image from Image-Resource: Link1
    Link for A7R-II sample image from Image-Resource: Link2

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    I know with a Sony 35mm camera you'll not get the leaf shutter for 1/800 sync, or the feeling of wielding a medium format. Sometimes only personal preference matters.
    A few observations:

    These two shots are lit differently … at least the cropped part shown here. Lighting, or the angle it is striking the subject, can and does make a big difference on the "impression" of acuity. IMO, that the set wasn't exactly the same renders it more difficult for comparisons.

    I downloaded the large files and viewed them at 50% layered over one another. I then tweaked the files based on the color checker chart to be equal. I also applied lens corrections for camera make and lens used.

    The downloaded image info shows the Pentax at 300dpi; Image size @ 7264 X5440 … and the Sony at 350dpi; Image size @ 7952X5304

    Yet, when layered over one another at the same %, the Pentax subject matter is larger in size compared to the Sony file when at viewed at the same %. Different camera placement?

    I do not know the abilities of the two different lenses in comparison. The native Sony Zeiss lens is pretty darned good. Don't know anything about the Pentax 75mm. The Zeiss 55/1.8 verses the Pentax 75/2.8 both set to f/8 … perhaps to be equal, the 75mm should have been set to f/11 for a similar DOF?

    Once color-checker equalized, the Pentax file has much better color rendition and separation. The whites are also cleaner, and the shadows show a bit more detail.

    Other areas of the Pentax image show visibly superior acuity compared to the same area of the Sony image … which could also be attributable to the different lighting and/or slightly different lens performance center to edge, or even slight focus differences/DOF.

    BTW, I use a Sony A7R and my studio partner uses a Sony A7R-II (IMO, a much improved model over the A7R for general shooting!) … in no way do either of us think they challenge the Leica S camera in the studio, or with lighting, or in decent ambient light which we have an abundance of in Florida. However, the A7R-II is a reasonably decent back-up to the Leica S especially since I can't afford a second S body.

    As to the OPs original question …

    If I were still in the MF fray, I'd be all over this H5D/50c at that price. That camera with the spectacular HC-50-II, HC-100/2.2, and the unsung 210/4 would be the premo set up were I NOT already committed to the Leica S system.

    IMHO, MF is a GREAT investment in yourself based on actually using it. If left to rare shoots, or if treated to preciously, then it is a terrible investment. My primary shooting camera is the S (70%), followed by the Leica MM (20%), most unused camera I own is the A7R (10%) … and other regular stuff is pumped out on an iPhone.

    Although, if secured at that price, I cannot imagine it selling for $4,900 in two years … if it does, I'll buy one!!! just to get back to True Focus shooting Bet that higher ISO combined with the 100/2.2 is an available light MF wonder!

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    I will try the iPad live view idea in the field later this week (if I can make it work) and report back.
    I used live view on the iPad with the H5D-50c Wi-Fi and it is absolutely amazing. I used both and iPad Mini Retina display as well as the new iPad Pro with the 12 inch Retina display. With live view turned on, you can zoom into any part of the image and then focus on it two different ways: (1) use the + and - buttons on the iPad; or (2) turn the focusing ring on the lens and the display will update on the iPad. My preferred method was using the focusing ring. This solves any display inadequacy issue for me on the Hasselblad. You can also use the new iPhones to do the same.

    This will be also amazing for using the camera with the tilt-shift adapter HTS 1.5 or the back with a technical camera; along with the "Snapi tilt calculator" app on the iPhone.

    Very excited about the Hasselblad purchase for the price that they are offering at the moment.

    Edit: You need to download the Phocus Mobile app on the iPad to use live view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masud View Post
    I used live view on the iPad with the H5D-50c Wi-Fi and it is absolutely amazing. I used both and iPad Mini Retina display as well as the new iPad Pro with the 12 inch Retina display. With live view turned on, you can zoom into any part of the image and then focus on it two different ways: (1) use the + and - buttons on the iPad; or (2) turn the focusing ring on the lens and the display will update on the iPad. My preferred method was using the focusing ring. This solves any display inadequacy issue for me on the Hasselblad. You can also use the new iPhones to do the same.

    This will be also amazing for using the camera with the tilt-shift adapter HTS 1.5 or the back with a technical camera; along with the "Snapi tilt calculator" app on the iPhone.

    Very excited about the Hasselblad purchase for the price that they are offering at the moment.

    Edit: You need to download the Phocus Mobile app on the iPad to use live view.
    In the house with wifi connection or in the field ?

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    In the house with wifi connection or in the field ?

    There are two Wi-Fi modes: client (camera and iPad connected to existing network, e.g., in house) and direct (camera creates new Wi-Fi network, iPad connects to it, e.g., outside).

    For Wi-Fi specific documentation search with Google for "H5D-50c with Wi-Fi User Manual".

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    In the house with wifi connection or in the field ?
    I have tried both: the "Client" mode where the camera connects to my home network as does the iPad; and the "Direct (AP)" mode where the camera creates the WiFi hot spot and the iPad then needs to connect to that thru iOS settings. Once the iPad and the camera are connected (in either mode), firing up Phocus mobile and using live view works exactly the same way. Both modes work equally well but the "Client" mode has a slight latency (about a second or less in my home network setup - but I have about 30 devices on this network) which does not pose any significant usability issue for me. Whereas the "Direct (AP)" mode has almost no latency so it's really good as a live view device.
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    S, if I was looking to get back into MF digital - and I had the money - I'd be all over this deal!

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