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    Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.



    Channeling Steve Jobs here for a minute…

    Today Phase One announces that it is shipping the world’s first 100mp camera, the first full-frame 645 CMOS camera, the first 16-bit CMOS sensor, and the first HDMI enabled digital back. These are not separate products; it’s the Phase One IQ3 100mp.

    This is not an announcement-of-an-announcement. This is not a preview or a prototype. The IQ3 100mp is shipping*. In fact we have the tracking number of our demo units and appointments available.

    - Full Frame 645
    - CMOS Sensor
    - 15 stops of dynamic range
    - ISO 50 to ISO 12,800
    - Electronic First Curtain Shutter
    - HDMI Output (e.g. live view with a 7” battery-powered display untethered)

    Read more at our Phase One IQ3 100mp page. We'll also have two articles up later today with more details!

    As always, if you have any questions don't hesitate to email me or put them on this thread. Some answers I suspect I won't be able to provide until our units arrive early this week. But some I should be able to get by speaking with the R+D team.

    Also, this will be our most tested back ever. You may remember our several tests of the IQ250 including ISO ramps, long exposure tests, and a massive Tech Camera Lens test in which we tested nearly every popular tech cam lens with five different Phase One digital back models. We'll be doing even more testing of the IQ3 100mp. So if you have testing requests, please feel free to email me or put them on this thread.

    *I'd expect this back to be quite popular and go into back-order within days
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    Just received the P1 e-mail.....

    Sounds like quite an achievement - any idea of SRP ($ or €)?

    Anyhow its great for MF to start the year off with some good news.

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    Is the sensor a Phase exclusive?
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    Nice one! I'd be interested in some compatibility tests with the technical camera lenses. Is the sensor designed and made by Sony?

    Joint sensor development and optimization
    Phase One and Sony have been development partners for years, the 50MP sensor being the first milestone of our cooperation, now found in the XF IQ3 50MP. Creating the full frame sibling to the 50MP CMOS system has been a top priority of Phase One for years. We’re proud to now deliver a solution that achieves the image quality requirements Phase One customers expect, all while providing the performance advantages inherent to 100MP CMOS sensor technology. Phase One sensor experts have been working hard to optimize the complete use of the 100MP sensor for the worlds most demanding photographers.
    If it's Sony's BSI then it's really good news for technical camera users
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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    Nice one! I'd be interested in some compatibility tests with the technical camera lenses. Is the sensor designed and made by Sony?
    Sony made with Phase One collaboration on the design.

    A full tech camera test is one of our first priorities. Similar to our comprehensive tech camera test we did at the Morgan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Sony made with Phase One collaboration on the design.

    A full tech camera test is one of our first priorities. Similar to our comprehensive tech camera test we did at the Morgan.
    Here is a list of suggested testings to add on top of your already excellent tests (which you did for the IQ250):

    a) Suppression of tiling issue, especially when heavily shifted and capturing the sky;

    b) Mazing artifact of white walls indoors, especially shifted;

    c) Dynamic range, especially for long exposure (and to test this it is first necessary to know the "true" base ISO, for which the 80MP and 60 MP CCDs are at 100 instead of 35 or 50).
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    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    If it's Sony's BSI then it's really good news for technical camera users
    Just did some simple calculations - if we enlarge the Sony A7R-II:

    42.4 MP * (53.7mm * 40.4mm / 36mm / 24mm) = 106 MP

    Then it is very close to the IQ3 100MP. There is a possibility that it is BSI? (Note that it has Electronic First Curtain Shutter)

    If true - what would happen to the discontinued Schneider 28mm XL lens?

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    2016 = MF Year
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    So, less than 50kEuros ?

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    I have seen price here in the USA for $48,990, as quoted on the Phoblographer website:

    http://www.thephoblographer.com/2016.../#.Vok8FTam0YY

    Not sure if that is accurate or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by miska View Post
    So, less than 50kEuros ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    I have seen price here in the USA for $48,990, as quoted on the Phoblographer website:

    http://www.thephoblographer.com/2016.../#.Vok8FTam0YY

    Not sure if that is accurate or not.
    It's accurate.

    A pleasant surprise as well - I was expecting this to be a lot more than that.

    Now to convince the boss that we "need" to trade in the IQ250

    Kind regards,


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    Is there a really good EVF that can connect via HDMI?
    Live View focusing on my tech bodies with an EVF is what I'm after!

    I'm pretty hardcore tech camera user, and not so into in the XF body, but definitely interested in the new back (assuming it is available stand-alone). Getting a really good clean usable 200-400 ISO would be wonderful. I could never get above 50ISO on the IQ180 series before quality dropped too much.

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    Any info yet on trade in pricing?
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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    ...I'd expect this back to be quite popular and go into back-order within days
    Doug, I'm curious. What's the target market for a 100MP full-frame IQ3? I have no doubt that you'll sell a bunch. Good luck and congratulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Doug, I'm curious. What's the target market for a 100MP full-frame IQ3? I have no doubt that you'll sell a bunch. Good luck and congratulations.

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    Is there a really good EVF that can connect via HDMI?
    Live View focusing on my tech bodies with an EVF is what I'm after!
    That's one of the primary intentions of the feature!

    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    I'm pretty hardcore tech camera user, and not so into in the XF body, but definitely interested in the new back (assuming it is available stand-alone). Getting a really good clean usable 200-400 ISO would be wonderful. I could never get above 50ISO on the IQ180 series before quality dropped too much.
    Yes it is available as a stand-alone back.

    You can download raws of a full ISO ramp (50-12,00) here:
    https://digitaltransitions.com/xf-10...ra-system/#raw

    I suggest making prints from the raws, rather than judging on screen review alone (if printing is your intended end goal).
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    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    Is there a really good EVF that can connect via HDMI?
    Live View focusing on my tech bodies with an EVF is what I'm after!

    I'm pretty hardcore tech camera user, and not so into in the XF body, but definitely interested in the new back (assuming it is available stand-alone). Getting a really good clean usable 200-400 ISO would be wonderful. I could never get above 50ISO on the IQ180 series before quality dropped too much.
    I believe that Zacuto makes an EVF connected by HDMI. I also am only tech camera user and can't/couldn't imagine that the back is not available as a stand alone back.

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    Doug..... your link to raw files doesn't work.... at least not for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Doug..... your link to raw files doesn't work.... at least not for me.

    Victor
    Looks like we have to flush our cache or something.

    Should be up in the next half hour.
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    Isn't Medium Format supposed to be dead?
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    Just tried to play with the RAW file and the dynamic range looks promising:

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    Thank's Dough for this marvelous introduction !

    It seems there is an agreement on this kind of advertisement because the last time Hasselblad tells us they develop the CMOS sensor in collaboration with Sony... Then Phase arrived first on the market and Hasselblad pay the sensational news staying many months in development and testing of the new backs before they sell one, and first ones where problematic also.

    This time maybe it's the same situation, but reversed, same story for the new 100MP CMOS made by SONY...
    If Hasselblad is not dead, and the 100MP Sony sensor isn't exclusively available for Phase. this will be a good news for the MF segment,
    then arrive the Pentax 645 Z 100, then the H6D-100c and the 100MS and the 400MP MS etc. etc. we will see in next few months on PHOTOKINA 2016 i suppose.

    Anyway this is a very good achievement for Phase !

    Best regards, and Happy 2016 !
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    Verrry interesting to see that ALPA had one for testing. I'm not sure if they always get pre-production backs, but this is the first time I can recall them talking about doing extensive tests with "stunning results" on launch day of a new back.

    Keep an eye out on http://www.alpa.ch this week.

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    Buying powerball tickets. Lol

    Nice to see coming into the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    Isn't Medium Format supposed to be dead?
    Rumors of its death have been greatly exaggerated.

    Seriously though. The more things change the more they stay the same. We've heard prognostications of the end of medium format for years. Yet, Phase One's revenue has been up every year for nearly a decade now. And I think this back speaks for itself.
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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    as nice as the 100mpx are, and required to trump the 35mm gang, i see the feature set being the bonus, so long overdue (and some features also on 35mm cameras),
    features i see quite useful (not all new):
    HDMI; CMOS, touch screen, Capture One compatible, dynamic range, 60 min exposure (with another 60 min dark frame?), great ergonomics and construction, available as 50, 60 and 80 mpx versions

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Rumors of its death have been greatly exaggerated.

    .........And I think this back speaks for itself.
    I agree.
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    Time to sell the sports cars!
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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    The 50MP version of this chip has completely revolutionized my photography experience. I get movements plus great DR plus fantastic live view. I have never had to grapple with very wide lenses with the 60mm Digitar being about as wide as I need. I also don't need shifting much beyond 10mm so this back should be perfect for me. Shall see what the upgrade pricing looks like....

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    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    The 50MP version of this chip has completely revolutionized my photography experience. I get movements plus great DR plus fantastic live view. I have never had to grapple with very wide lenses with the 60mm Digitar being about as wide as I need. I also don't need shifting much beyond 10mm so this back should be perfect for me. Shall see what the upgrade pricing looks like....

    Victor
    The pixel density does not agree. The IQ3 100MP has a slightly greater pixel density than the 50MP version. There is a possibility that the 100MP is an enlarged version of the IMX251 (A7R-II), which suggests possibility of BSI design, which suggests possibility of compatibility with symmetric wide angles

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    Dante strikes again

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    One sad thing is the timing for US based customers:

    - We have just (Dec 31st) finished our tax year, and if we had been able to buy/put deposits down on this in 2015, could have deducted it from the last years taxes. That saving is now lost to the Feds forever.

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    Well, I thought full-frame MF CMOS would arrive in early 2016, but not quite this early.

    Sunday 3rd January - an odd time for a big announcement - wonder if Hasselblad is about to announce something similar ?

    Time will tell !

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Verrry interesting to see that ALPA had one for testing. I'm not sure if they always get pre-production backs, but this is the first time I can recall them talking about doing extensive tests with "stunning results" on launch day of a new back.
    Gerald.
    Where are they quoted saying this Gerald?

    This could well be the back the Alpa FPS has been waiting for - makes the FPS into a 100mp mirrorless MF camera, with live view EVF for focusing!

    (Hopefully a firmware update will enable Electronic First Curtain for the FPS shutter too)

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    So my Guess for the HDMI Output is version 2.0 ? By this there could be a new electronic 4,4k Oled finder as Epson´s (or Leica SL) !

    Good move.

    Congrats to Phase stepping ahead of the wave again. This is a very important launch. And yes - even the Price is exactly right.
    it doesn´t make sense for Phase to go cheaper. So they moved up.

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Congrats on the product launch - everyone benefits from P1 pushing the envelope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    Where are they quoted saying this Gerald?

    This could well be the back the Alpa FPS has been waiting for - makes the FPS into a 100mp mirrorless MF camera, with live view EVF for focusing!

    (Hopefully a firmware update will enable Electronic First Curtain for the FPS shutter too)
    Here you go:

    http://www.alpa.ch/en/site/new-phase...ck-on-the-alpa
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    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Doug..... your link to raw files doesn't work.... at least not for me.

    Victor
    Should be working now. Can you please confirm?

    If not just shoot me an email at [email protected] and I'll share via Google Drive instead of our server.
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    That sensor will create a huge difference in their aerial photo cameras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    So my Guess for the HDMI Output is version 2.0 ? By this there could be a new electronic 4,4k Oled finder as Epson´s (or Leica SL) !

    Good move.

    Congrats to Phase stepping ahead of the wave again. This is a very important launch. And yes - even the Price is exactly right.
    it doesn´t make sense for Phase to go cheaper. So they moved up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Should be working now. Can you please confirm?

    If not just shoot me an email at [email protected] and I'll share via Google Drive instead of our server.
    Just downloaded here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    So my Guess for the HDMI Output is version 2.0?
    At launch, the HDMI supports:
    1. 1080p @ 30 fps
    2. 1080p @ 25 fps
    3. 720p @ 60 fps
    4. 720p @ 50 fps
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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    So far the trade up policy is not very encouraging. I never thought any of the IQ series beyond the '1' made any sense - especially the IQ3 series. I am glad that I didn't trade up to any of those as the difference paid for those trade ups would never be recovered by the incremental increase in trade up for the 100MP over what I now have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Zacuto Gratical is 5k OLED for HDMI.....
    That viewfinder is 5.4 millions dots with an image resolution of 1280×1024, less than 2K which is usually 1920x1080. 5K, known from the imac retina, is 5120x2880.

    5K will not run on a single HDMI channel, which is likely to be what the new IQ3 is using.

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Doug..... so far the link for raw files is still not working. Not a big deal.....

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Doug..... so far the link for raw files is still not working. Not a big deal.....

    Victor
    PM'ing you with a Google Drive folder instead.
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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Zacuto Gratical is 5k OLED for HDMI.....

    Here is the older EVF PRO from Zacuto on a D810 ... allows 1:1 magnification Zebras and peaking / false color and monochrome.
    The newer Gratical adds waveforms and is much higher resolution.


    Bob
    Do you mean this one ? ....? but that is not 4,4k . It has 5,4 Mil Pixels and a res of 1280×1024 ?

    http://www.zacuto.com/gratical-evf

    I mean this one by Epson which has 1400x 1050 :

    http://www.dpreview.com/articles/796...-4-41m-dot-lcd.

    Alas with the release of the Oculus rift and available Sony Z5 Phones that is topped by plenty, real 4k of res.
    http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/...gies/displays/


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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    PM'ing you with a Google Drive folder instead.
    can you PM me too Doug - it is not working.

    or why not put them up and open to all on Google Drive?

    Thanks

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Ok. Maybe temper that earlier enthusiasm a little.

    "How does it behave with movements on the wide Rodies?"

    "We think better than IQ250 but with very short lenses we would not go for the full image circle."

    Kind regards,

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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    can you PM me too Doug - it is not working.
    Just PM'd you a link!
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    Re: Phase One IQ3 100mp. Shipping now. Full frame CMOS. HDMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by voidshatter View Post
    The pixel density does not agree. The IQ3 100MP has a slightly greater pixel density than the 50MP version. There is a possibility that the 100MP is an enlarged version of the IMX251 (A7R-II), which suggests possibility of BSI design ...
    It would seem BSI would be a big deal ... I would think it would have been mentioned in the specs and marketing hype if it were. silence on the subject implies it isn't, but maybe the marketing dept didn't realize how big a deal it would be so they didn't think it was important to include in the specs.
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