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    CFV-50C "promotion" continues

    Still no money, but at least this allows me to dream for 2+ more months. Can't say I'm surprise either. I suspect this is probably some kind of long term price reduction:

    CFV-50c Offer - Hasselblad

    7900 Euros is only about $8500! (!)

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    Re: CFV-50C "promotion" continues

    he talkes about "the bigger sensor"
    i think he doesnt know what he talks about there

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    Ha ha, yea, comparing to the new IO3100, this is a tiny sensor, but then again, the price is right :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil View Post
    he talkes about "the bigger sensor"
    i think he doesnt know what he talks about there
    Prior to making that statement he said that he did not get along well with the DSLRs he had tried ...

    so relative to them it is bigger.

    And I assume that Charlie can outshoot almost anyone I know.


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    It's a commercial. Charlie Waite is a great name to have on that, at least for the European market. He's a well known landscape photographer, and as the CFV is mostly aimed at enthusiast photographers landscape is a natural genre to expose in a commercial.

    http://www.charliewaite.com/

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    it does hint at possible future 100Mpx developments from blad...maybe this spring? though that may stress the V-lenses
    glaring omissions from the CFV-50c are USB 3 and now...HDMI out

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardman View Post
    Still no money, but at least this allows me to dream for 2+ more months. Can't say I'm surprise either. I suspect this is probably some kind of long term price reduction:

    CFV-50c Offer - Hasselblad

    7900 Euros is only about $8500! (!)
    " CFV-50C "promotion" continues "
    ****
    I bought one three weeks ago. I had to try multiple dealers until I found one in stock. I don't know whether the "back order" situation is related to high volume of sales or limited number of CFV-50c backs available at the "special" price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHV View Post
    " CFV-50C "promotion" continues "
    ****
    I bought one three weeks ago. I had to try multiple dealers until I found one in stock. I don't know whether the "back order" situation is related to high volume of sales or limited number of CFV-50c backs available at the "special" price.

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    BH told me that if I ordered mine in Dec of 2015 I would see by the end of this month (Jan 2016). I put a pre order in and was told perhaps March. I then canceled my order.

    My future purchase is very much in limbo. I don't know what I want to do. Im looking for a digital solution for color images. I'm still shooting 8x10 for BW. I gave the A7RII a 30 day trial and while the files were wonderful I really struggled with the whole small mirrorless EVF camera experience. I also used batteries like I was popping tic tacs.

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    FYI - There is one available locally in CH for SFr 6500.-

    http://www.owy.ch/fotoboerse/index/p...s_id=&keyword=

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post
    FYI - There is one available locally in CH for SFr 6500.-

    http://www.owy.ch/fotoboerse/index/p...s_id=&keyword=
    I have a dealer who has offered me a demo model, 211 actuations for 8950 USD.

    I have a 40mm CF FLE, 100 CF, and 120 CFI.

    I think I might pull the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    I have a dealer who has offered me a demo model, 211 actuations for 8950 USD.

    I have a 40mm CF FLE, 100 CF, and 120 CFI.

    I think I might pull the trigger.
    If there are no issues with the warranty on a Demo., I would buy it at that price without a second thought. I haven't had much of an opportunity to use mine but I'm very pleased with the results so far. I have done a few shots with a 503CW, 203FE, SWC, and shifts with a Flexbody and it works well.

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    Anybody knows how the CFV-50c behaves on technical cameras when shifted?

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    CFV50-c, sk 32mm, no center filter, on cambo actus, and shifted vertically about 10mm. probably applied LCC, processed in Phocus



    on occasion, with more shifting, it can be troublesome in the corners with the 32mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHV View Post
    If there are no issues with the warranty on a Demo., I would buy it at that price without a second thought. I haven't had much of an opportunity to use mine but I'm very pleased with the results so far. I have done a few shots with a 503CW, 203FE, SWC, and shifts with a Flexbody and it works well.

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    I just spoke with the dealer. Since the demo is 3
    Months old Hasselblad USA will honor the warranty and add an effective year from my purchase date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    I just spoke with the dealer. Since the demo is 3
    Months old Hasselblad USA will honor the warranty and add an effective year from my purchase date.
    Congratulations on your CFV-50c purchase!!!
    :>)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHV View Post
    Congratulations on your CFV-50c purchase!!!
    :>)

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    It's funny. I worked primarily in analog for the last 10 years, I'm only 31... So my photographic life never really had any exposure to either medium. I just enjoyed working with the mechanical / analog process. However, this year I enrolled in my MFA and I got hit with a sledgehammer regarding work output / deadlines and so I considered digital as a means of addressing this issue. I have beautiful 4x5 and 8x10 cameras with high end glass and I didn't bat an eye buying that stuff. But when it comes to electronics it's brutal, the internal struggle and guilt, of spending the money. Phew, took a lot to pull that trigger.

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    here is another one shot with the 32mm, a two shot pano of vertical images, shifted about 15-20mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    I also used batteries like I was popping tic tacs.
    You will be happy with the battery life of the CFV50c then, it does really well, even in the cold. I ordered mine as soon as the promotion was on, been very happy with it, especially in how I just swap back and forth from B&W film to digi, digi to B&W film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ai_Print View Post
    You will be happy with the battery life of the CFV50c then, it does really well, even in the cold. I ordered mine as soon as the promotion was on, been very happy with it, especially in how I just swap back and forth from B&W film to digi, digi to B&W film.
    That's good to know! I just picked up from the dealer in CT.

    Can't wait to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil View Post
    Anybody knows how the CFV-50c behaves on technical cameras when shifted?
    Hi,

    not really tech-camera but we use the CFV50c successfully with the Flexbody, works like a charm. Below image was done
    with about 8 degree tilt and the CFi 50 lens. The area of focus can be easily determined via life view, the display is really
    a big improvement. I will do some more shots with shift and tilt over the coming weeks, its just hard to steal the back from
    my wife who owns it ;-)

    Regards,
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    I'm going to inquire with Hugo over at Chamonix to see what options would be to throw this back on my 45F1. I'd like to eventually own an Alpa TC to throw in a bag when hiking long, long distance but the cost of the glass pushes it outside of my budget for what is a very special use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    I'm going to inquire with Hugo over at Chamonix to see what options would be to throw this back on my 45F1. I'd like to eventually own an Alpa TC to throw in a bag when hiking long, long distance but the cost of the glass pushes it outside of my budget for what is a very special use.
    The problem is that the 50C is 1.3 crop of a 645 so it's absolutely tiny comparing to the 4x5. The shortest lens you can use on the F1 is 75mm or so. Basically you will lose any wide angle capabilities.

    A Flexbody is probably your best bet in that sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardman View Post
    The problem is that the 50C is 1.3 crop of a 645 so it's absolutely tiny comparing to the 4x5. The shortest lens you can use on the F1 is 75mm or so. Basically you will lose any wide angle capabilities.

    A Flexbody is probably your best bet in that sense.
    Actually a 65 works fine ( 45N2 ) but I tend to agree, get a flex body over using a back adapter on 4x5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ai_Print View Post
    Actually a 65 works fine ( 45N2 ) but I tend to agree, get a flex body over using a back adapter on 4x5.
    FWIW, the 50-c works well with the Flexbody and 40mm CFE with 28mm total shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardman View Post
    The problem is that the 50C is 1.3 crop of a 645 so it's absolutely tiny comparing to the 4x5. The shortest lens you can use on the F1 is 75mm or so. Basically you will lose any wide angle capabilities.

    A Flexbody is probably your best bet in that sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ai_Print View Post
    Actually a 65 works fine ( 45N2 ) but I tend to agree, get a flex body over using a back adapter on 4x5.
    Quote Originally Posted by SHV View Post
    FWIW, the 50-c works well with the Flexbody and 40mm CFE with 28mm total shift.

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    Well.. the issue is I already have a Chamonix 45F1. A flexbody would be another 1500ish out of the piggy bank.

    I do have the 40 CF FLE, so that is good to know it works well with a flexbody if I go down that route.

    I don't shoot very wide. Even the 40 FF looks too wide for my preference. I remember when I had the chance to give a D810 a run with a 14-24 I hated it, sub 20mm to me felt too gimmicky. I know some people love it but its not for me.

    I shot the camera today, since I already have a run with the 645Z the sensor performance didn't surprise me, but what did was the overall shooting workflow. I loved locking the shutter open, live view focus, then shoot. Since I've used a LF camera exclusively for the last 5 years plus it felt great. I could see how some people could hate it. I haven't made an image off a tripod in years, not sure if I'll venture handheld with this baby.
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    Any sliding back or adaptor solution, would cost $$ anyway. At least $500? May be more like $1000.

    The 1.3x over 645 effectively gives you ~0.7x of 35mmm focal length, if you are used to that thinking, so 65mm LF lens, is ~45mm effectively length on the 35mm "full frame", hardly a wide angle. whereas 40mm gets you to ~28mm, a decent wide angle.

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    Hopefully your 40 CF / FLE is better than mine, it is the one lens I have out of 9 Hasselblad CF / CFi lenses that just does not hold up very well with the CFV50c back.

    Fotodiox makes a pretty nice Hasselblad to Grafloc adapter that looks decent, bet it would work great with the slower LF lenses and live view. I'd be curious to try it one day on my Chamonix with one of my Apo Sironar S lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ai_Print View Post
    Hopefully your 40 CF / FLE is better than mine, it is the one lens I have out of 9 Hasselblad CF / CFi lenses that just does not hold up very well with the CFV50c back.

    Fotodiox makes a pretty nice Hasselblad to Grafloc adapter that looks decent, bet it would work great with the slower LF lenses and live view. I'd be curious to try it one day on my Chamonix with one of my Apo Sironar S lenses.
    Hope so too. Fortunately, I got a nice deal on it so if it doesnt work... an easy sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ai_Print View Post
    Hopefully your 40 CF / FLE is better than mine, it is the one lens I have out of 9 Hasselblad CF / CFi lenses that just does not hold up very well with the CFV50c back.

    Fotodiox makes a pretty nice Hasselblad to Grafloc adapter that looks decent, bet it would work great with the slower LF lenses and live view. I'd be curious to try it one day on my Chamonix with one of my Apo Sironar S lenses.
    Just did a few test shots with 40 CFE/FLE and, at 100%, it is a little "soft" at the edges. Surprisingly, the 38mm Biogon is sharp edge to edge.

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    Steve,

    I recall that Alpa placed the image circle of the Biogon at about 56mm ... so on long edge at 44 you are well within the sweet
    zone of the lens ... and it was one of the best.

    Shifting not doable and Alpa had a film back designed just to make the Biogon work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Steve,

    I recall that Alpa placed the image circle of the Biogon at about 56mm ... so on long edge at 44 you are well within the sweet
    zone of the lens ... and it was one of the best.

    Shifting not doable and Alpa had a film back designed just to make the Biogon work.

    Bob
    HB has a disclaimer for SWC and digital backs for "critical" use; wasn't a problem for me with CVF-16 and doesn't seem to be with the CFV-50c.

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    I'd like to give the 50CFV-50C a go on an ALPA to see how it all works. This stuff is so niche its so hard to find anything online regarding testing and results. All I find are Sony A7RII / 16-35 "oh, wide is so much fun" posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHV View Post
    HB has a disclaimer for SWC and digital backs for "critical" use; wasn't a problem for me with CVF-16 and doesn't seem to be with the CFV-50c.

    Steve
    The same HB who shucked the Lunar and Stellar ...

    Sure the Biogon is old school but like the Airstream it just works ...

    Critical is not a term I would associate with photography ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    I'd like to give the 50CFV-50C a go on an ALPA to see how it all works. This stuff is so niche its so hard to find anything online regarding testing and results. All I find are Sony A7RII / 16-35 "oh, wide is so much fun" posts.
    There's been some demonstration on this forum previously, so if you search you'll find. "Darr" is using a CFV-50c on an Alpa as far as I know.

    There are crosstalk issues on the tech wides when shifting of course, but it's subject dependent and also subjective how much it hurts your photography, so it's impossible to give a clear recommendation. Anyone that wants no tech wide angle issues at all (except color cast) should have stayed on Kodak CCDs, such as the original CFV-50, but it's a new reality now.

    Sensor-wise the performance is the same as an IQ250 so you can look at those results too. However it also depends on how well the LCC algorithm cleans up artifacts which may be quite different between Capture One and Phocus (I don't know though, as I haven't tested personally), so you do need to look into Phocus capabilities specifically too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    There's been some demonstration on this forum previously, so if you search you'll find. "Darr" is using a CFV-50c on an Alpa as far as I know.

    There are crosstalk issues on the tech wides when shifting of course, but it's subject dependent and also subjective how much it hurts your photography, so it's impossible to give a clear recommendation. Anyone that wants no tech wide angle issues at all (except color cast) should have stayed on Kodak CCDs, such as the original CFV-50, but it's a new reality now.

    Sensor-wise the performance is the same as an IQ250 so you can look at those results too. However it also depends on how well the LCC algorithm cleans up artifacts which may be quite different between Capture One and Phocus (I don't know though, as I haven't tested personally), so you do need to look into Phocus capabilities specifically too.
    I've been offered an opportunity to purchase a Hasselblad H5D-50C for a pretty good deal. I now face a serious thought process regarding this back.

    I may offer the back and my whole 503CW suite for sale. Thinking, thinking hard about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    I've been offered an opportunity to purchase a Hasselblad H5D-50C for a pretty good deal. I now face a serious thought process regarding this back.

    I may offer the back and my whole 503CW suite for sale. Thinking, thinking hard about it.
    You probably will not get "too much" money for the 503CW, but the back should sell easily. Heck, if I have the $, I would be making the offer right now .

    The choice is really about how much you are tied to the "mystic" of using the old V/200 systems and their lenses. I love it, the big ground glass, the Zeiss look and all that. If not, then I am sure the H system is a better system in every way (ergonomic, autofocus etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardman View Post
    You probably will not get "too much" money for the 503CW, but the back should sell easily. Heck, if I have the $, I would be making the offer right now .

    The choice is really about how much you are tied to the "mystic" of using the old V/200 systems and their lenses. I love it, the big ground glass, the Zeiss look and all that. If not, then I am sure the H system is a better system in every way (ergonomic, autofocus etc.)
    i just posted in the for sale section. Would 15K be a reasonable asking price for the back, body, a12 back, 40mm CF FLE, 100CF, 120CFI, 55 extension tube, PM45 prism, and WLF Finder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    i just posted in the for sale section. Would 15K be a reasonable asking price for the back, body, a12 back, 40mm CF FLE, 100CF, 120CFI, 55 extension tube, PM45 prism, and WLF Finder?
    Can't say. See if people jump on it? Anyway, my observation is that it's tough for someone without a V system already to jump on a package deal like that, because if they have the money, they would be looking at other digital MF solution, e.g. Pentax. My feeling is that you may sell better if you break it up, but that's just my opinion.

    Good luck. As I said, if I have the dough :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    I'd like to give the 50CFV-50C a go on an ALPA to see how it all works. This stuff is so niche its so hard to find anything online regarding testing and results. All I find are Sony A7RII / 16-35 "oh, wide is so much fun" posts.
    Darr uses the CFV-50c on an ALPA. I used one for a week w/40 HR. Very nice images. It was no sharper than my D810 w/Zeiss Otus glass, but the color was much better. And then there's that MF look...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    i just posted in the for sale section. Would 15K be a reasonable asking price for the back, body, a12 back, 40mm CF FLE, 100CF, 120CFI, 55 extension tube, PM45 prism, and WLF Finder?
    IMHO, more likely to sell as individual pieces. Brief look at ebay, KEH, B&H, seems like V series components are holding or increasing somewhat in price but the market is hobbyist money, not business expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielDuarte View Post
    i just posted in the for sale section. Would 15K be a reasonable asking price for the back, body, a12 back, 40mm CF FLE, 100CF, 120CFI, 55 extension tube, PM45 prism, and WLF Finder?
    My buddy from LFF is *so* right, you go through gear like a newborn does diapers, face-meet-palm, LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by richardman View Post
    The choice is really about how much you are tied to the "mystic" of using the old V/200 systems and their lenses.
    The reason they make these backs for the V system is more for those of us who want a digital option for a system we are already using the snot out of to make film images with. I'm not even sure I would consider a full frame or 100MP sensor for the V system as I don't think the lenses would hold up as well as they do with the CFV50c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ai_Print View Post
    The reason they make these backs for the V system is more for those of us who want a digital option for a system we are already using the snot out of to make film images with. I'm not even sure I would consider a full frame or 100MP sensor for the V system as I don't think the lenses would hold up as well as they do with the CFV50c.
    I think one or two of the old Zeiss lens will do OK on the 100 MP back, unlikely the full spectrum of the old lenses

    It would be far more interesting to have "full frame" 645 back with 50MP and not 100MP, but I would not mind the CFV-50C at all. Now if only I have the $$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardman View Post
    I think one or two of the old Zeiss lens will do OK on the 100 MP back, unlikely the full spectrum of the old lenses.
    Based on how I have seen my lenses performing, I think the 50 FLE, 60 CF, 100 CFi and 180 CF would be worthy of 100MP. So I guess if down the road they make one for the V and it is not insane in price, I would consider it. All that said and a couple of quirks aside, I am not at all unhappy with my CFV50c.
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    My buddy from LFF is *so* right, you go through gear like a newborn does diapers, face-meet-palm, LOL!



    The reason they make these backs for the V system is more for those of us who want a digital option for a system we are already using the snot out of to make film images with. I'm not even sure I would consider a full frame or 100MP sensor for the V system as I don't think the lenses would hold up as well as they do with the CFV50c.
    As long as you make the work... I'm not worried about what I'm producing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    Darr uses the CFV-50c on an ALPA. I used one for a week w/40 HR. Very nice images. It was no sharper than my D810 w/Zeiss Otus glass, but the color was much better. And then there's that MF look...
    Thanks! I'll have to reach out to them.

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    taken with the cfv50-c, 32mm rodie and combo acts a very nice setup


    and probably the same lens, not sure;
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    taken with the cfv50-c, 32mm rodie and combo acts a very nice setup


    and probably the same lens, not sure;
    Nice images. Have you ever had issues with the magnets and light leaks?

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    no issues. as a matter of fact, i was using my own flat lens boards, as the cambo boards were unnecessarily recessed. the rear standard was cambo and all the bellows magnet connections work fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    no issues. as a matter of fact, i was using my own flat lens boards, as the cambo boards were unnecessarily recessed. the rear standard was cambo and all the bellows magnet connections work fine.
    Hello Jim. Did you get my message? I just joined here a few days ago so I am unused to this site.
    I asked about availability of the Arca Swiss R mount lens board for Cambo Actus.

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    couple of Actus/CFV50-c traps i have escaped from, the second or third time:

    1. push the P button to get live view, shutter open. don't forget to push the P button again to end live view, or after closing the shutter, when you try and take a shot, the back will balk and set your iso to 3200 and need a reset. (once or twice, i just closed the shutter and tried to take a pic; no-go)

    2. there are two sliding rails for the rear standard, one is geared, both have locks. after you carefully focus using live view, set the locks, or inadvertently pushing the P button to turn off live view may move the rear standard. (duh!, but it happened to me)
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