Abstraction
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Depends on how you look at it. You might say that we have cut through a lot of obfuscation and gotten to the core of the price/performance ratio. Everything became much clearer and simpler once we got there.
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I can. Will that bed it down?If you're telling me that the reason you or other folks on this forum got their MF cameras because "you can", that would certainly be the type of an answer that would put this entire discussion to rest.
Really glad to hear that you finally got your answer. Great success !You might say that we have cut through a lot of obfuscation and gotten to the core of the price/performance ratio. Everything became much clearer and simpler once we got there.
I believe I mentioned that I got my answer about 4 or 5 pages ago.Really glad to hear that you finally got your answer. Great success !
Brilliant.I believe I mentioned that I got my answer about 4 or 5 pages ago.
Yeah, theoretically it should be, but as Al Pacino said in Godfather III, "Every time I try to get out, they drag me right back in!"Brilliant.
So that should be it then.
Sounds like you are having second thoughts.Yeah, theoretically it should be, but as Al Pacino said in Godfather III, "Every time I try to get out, they drag me right back in!"
I think I can... I think I can... I think I can...Sounds like you are having second thoughts.
You came to a decision. Stick to it.
You can do it.
Be strong.
now, this is really a great thought and also a nice challenge :thumbs:You have thoroughly showed us what it can't do. I offer you a challenge. Lets see what it can do, what are it's strengths?
now, this is really a great thought and also a nice challenge :thumbs:
Personally I use quite a similar kit. P45 non plus! (and P21+) in conjunction with Contax 645 and Cambo WRS and a Sony A7R2 (and A7R). I use the Sony when I need its speed (both AF speed compared to the Contax and the much higher sensitivity compared to my prehistoric backs) and for some kind of "point and shoot" scenarios. But when the conditions are appropriate to shoot the P45 I use it without even thinking about. Whenever I directly compared the A7R/2 to the P45 the Sony images looked somehow flat and lifeless. The P45 images look deeper and more nuanced ... also show finer textures in "flat" surfaces (though I am using Zeiss glass on both the Contax and the Sony). The image aesthetics is simply different (appart from DR and/or noise and/or resolution or so ... and therefore not so obvious in 100% crops) and personally I clearly favour the good old P45. Now, I could sell my whole MF kit and buy a nice set of the very best lenses and tilt/shift adapters available for the Sony. But if at all, I'd sell the Sony kit and would live (again) with the limitations of the MF kit. Fortunately I can use both...
This is quite surprising. On the full-sized jpegs, the A7RII jpegs appear to have a narrower dynamic range and a noticeably higher noise level. The A7RII image looks busy and over-sharpened. I would not have expected the difference to be that large, actually. OTOH, the Sony lens is impressive.Here are the first images from that shot, with full size jpegs and raw files: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Articles/WeldonChallenge/
This is quite surprising. On the full-sized jpegs, the A7RII jpegs appear to have a narrower dynamic range and a noticeably higher noise level. The A7RII image looks busy and over-sharpened. I would not have expected the difference to be that large, actually. OTOH, the Sony lens is impressive.
which brings us back to the situation of film days... somehow.35mm system get higher and higher resolution (which actually may not be that good since the density is higher and pixel size is smaller)
which brings us back to the situation of film days... somehow.
When the sensors today utilze more or less the same pixel pitch (or the same resolution with a larger pixel pitch on the larger sensor) ... so when digital cameras use more or less the same "film"... then the larger formats will have the same advantages over the smaller formats they always had.
The captures Erik posted have no relevance in terms of a "comparison", IMHO.
The captures are focussed differently and have gone through interpolating post processing.
They may show what is (potentially) possible in terms of composition and/or "look", though. But this is also related to the tools used (primarly the lenses)... and the "look" is also related to the software used to process the files.
We all know the tool of choice to process Phase One files is Capture One... especially with older generation DBs.
That someone who invests hours and hours of testing tiny differences in image-details and who is more than anything else concerned about technical aspects of photography ... that this person is using a software that clearly produces more artefacts (color aliasing and halos) and that clearly extracts less details from the files totally escapes me.
But so be it...
P45+ stitched | Sony A7r single exposure and shift |
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This is quite surprising. On the full-sized jpegs, the A7RII jpegs appear to have a narrower dynamic range and a noticeably higher noise level. The A7RII image looks busy and over-sharpened. I would not have expected the difference to be that large, actually. OTOH, the Sony lens is impressive.
I don't understand what is going on here. I see the clipping in raw digger, but the sky in the P45 image shows more details in the clouds than the sky in the Sony image.Very clearly, the histogram on the Sony made me underexpose the image. Actually, I was a bit confused by the short exposure time when shooting the image.
ErikI don't say C1 is a bad product but it doesn't work for me. I would never ever buy a camera that forced me to use a certain tool for processing the images.
Check the images below. This was a very simple test, a flower shot. The bottom images shows the correct colours of the petals and the green leaves. How I know they are correct? I measured with a spectrometer.