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    More to come From Hasselblad

    Did anyone else see this? This is a copy/paste from sonyalpharumors.com


    CEO Perry Oosting hinted at ePhotozine that this isn’t the big camera surprise he was talking in a previous interview. He says:

    “The new H6Ds we are launching have the best in class ergonomics in terms of handling, but they aren’t the most portable.. Portability will be key – but how and which ways it will be portable is yet to be announced.”


    Any thoughts on this? Please bring us a digital X-PAN!

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    More portability?

    The Hasselblad Lunar II?

    (Sorry couldn't help myself)

    Ok, go xpan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    More portability?

    The Hasselblad Lunar II?

    (Sorry couldn't help myself)

    Ok, go xpan!
    The Lunar jokes are getting pretty old people. Perry has clearly stated that they have moved away from that direction which was a pervious CEO's vision.

    To answer the OP yes there is a bunch of stuff coming down the pipeline, Hasselblad have invested a great deal of time and effort in R&D.

    I think it's fair to say that they are back in the game.

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    Ken,

    If you want to make fun of a MF company, you have to pick on Phase One.

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    Nah, that's no fun. I mean, who - outside of photography circles - has even heard of Phase One ? Answer: pretty much no one. Hasselblad - despite the odd cameras it put its name to over the years - still has brand awareness that P1 can only dream about. They just need to leverage it in the right way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    Ken,

    If you want to make fun of a MF company, you have to pick on Phase One.

    Steve
    I would pick on Phase, but the Danes don't have a sense of humor.

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    A great EVF medium format cam! That will be the most important camera to come :-) Everybody was waiting for that and hasselblad delivers :-)

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    >Any thoughts on this? Please bring us a digital X-PAN!

    Hearing a "not particularly handsome" X-Pan is on the way, and something from Hasselblad in MF that is more portable, which itself may have competition from a new Fuji MF camera. My source is usually good on this stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Emm View Post
    >Any thoughts on this? Please bring us a digital X-PAN!

    Hearing a "not particularly handsome" X-Pan is on the way, and something from Hasselblad in MF that is more portable, which itself may have competition from a new Fuji MF camera. My source is usually good on this stuff...
    an idle thought but i wonder if the fuji and HB camera are the same and built on the same chassis with a few subtle differences (like phase/leaf)
    never trust the opinion of anyone who lists a load of gear in their forum signature. Dealers do not email me asking to buy your products.

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Emm View Post
    >Any thoughts on this? Please bring us a digital X-PAN!

    Hearing a "not particularly handsome" X-Pan is on the way, and something from Hasselblad in MF that is more portable, which itself may have competition from a new Fuji MF camera. My source is usually good on this stuff...


    Can you give us any more information? Megapixels for x-pan? Why not so handsome?

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    A new Hasselfuji mirrorless MF platform would be quite awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by synn View Post
    A new Hasselfuji mirrorless MF platform would be quite awesome.
    Dare I say, anyone's mirrorless MF, with a rangefinder form factor would be quite awesome, making a super sweet field camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlinkingEye View Post
    Dare I say, anyone's mirrorless MF, with a rangefinder form factor would be quite awesome, making a super sweet field camera.
    Yup, because with the ultra-short flange distances of mirrorless cameras, we could use/adapt our existing lenses from any MF SLR system; heck even 35mm lenses if you want to max out the image circle on a bigger sensor and don't mind some vignetting. While the Hartblei B2 and Alpa FPS systems cover this territory to some extent, they're expensive for what they are and a bit bulky. So watch brand loyalty go out the window once the first well-integrated mirrorless CSC from anyone comes to market

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    I would love to see a digital panoramic camera, but well it won't happen.
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    Ray,

    ...watch brand loyalty go out the window once the first well-integrated mirrorless CSC from anyone comes to market
    CSC?

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    Compact system camera?
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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    After Photokina, when Hasselblad introduced the Lunar, I wrote a scathing e-mail to them decrying that fiasco. Also told them I was expecting a medium format rangefinder that would use a medium format sensor and would accept H lenses. At that time, I was prepared to buy one. Evidently, many others did the same, and maybe, just maybe, they listened.

    And, by the way, I purchased a Lieca M shortly thereafter and not a Hasselblad.

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    The good news about the partnership is that Hasselblad may have finally see the light and make a digital MF that can be used with legacy glass and can use different brands.

    The big question ofcourse is what sensor size will, they use. I'm hoping 6x4,5, but it may well be smaller.
    I'm stiĺl dreaming of a 6x7 sensor, but that already seems impossible in a big body. There's so much great glass for 6x7 that is sitting on shelves, rangefinder and normal lenses.

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    Is it in Hassy's interest to make a (presumably) less expensive camera to use with its lenses?

    I admit to a certain bias, as my preference would be a fixed lens "mirrorless" MF camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    Is it in Hassy's interest to make a (presumably) less expensive camera to use with its lenses?

    I admit to a certain bias, as my preference would be a fixed lens "mirrorless" MF camera.
    I don't think they aim for it to be used with H-lenses, that would be a bit weird (but still wouldn't steal much business from he H6).
    A Plaubel-like camera would be great, but would probably be too expensive with an MF sensor. My bet would be that they bring out a small line of lenses (3 or 4) and some adapters. I had hoped P1 would bring back the digital mamiya 7 or 6, but maybe Fuji/Hasselblad will beat them to it. But Fuji has more history with fixed lens rangefinders, so who knows.

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    I would also not be surprised if Fuji and Hasselblad team up to some degree. The timing of the rumours is certainly too good to be true given their past history of collaboration.

    It would be madness if a mirrorless body from either Fuji or Hasselblad didn't have an H lens adaptor that drove autofocus and fired the leaf shutter; if Alpa can do it on the FPS, and Leica can do it on the S (and maybe the SL? I'm not sure if that combo works), then surely FujiBlad can do it!

    In my dreamworld, such a camera would compete with the 645z price-wise. It would most likely have to have the Sony 50MP sensor to do that.

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    A rebadged iPhone with a Fuji "lens" to stick over the phone's lens?

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    >Can you give us any more information? Megapixels for x-pan? Why not so handsome?

    Sadly no. That was all I was told.

    >an idle thought but i wonder if the fuji and HB camera are the same and built on the same chassis with a few subtle differences (like phase/leaf)

    That's interesting given Fuji and Haselblad have been friends for some time. According to Wikipedia;

    1. In 1998, Hasselblad began selling the XPan, a camera designed and made in Japan by Fujifilm.

    and

    2, The H-System is largely designed and manufactured by Hasselblad, with Fuji's involvement being limited to finalizing Hasselblad's lens designs and producing the glass for the lenses and viewfinders

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    I'd prefer a square format camera (even if it's cropped to say a 45x45 sized sensor) over a digital x-pan. That's not to say I couldn't or wouldn't enjoy it but I'd find more value in the square format cameras.
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    Hi,

    Such a camera would be able to take any lens. Hasselblad could make a new version of the flexbody.

    But lenses still would be large, and Biogons would not play well, due to sensor and cover glass. Using a thinner cover glass is not a great option as existing lenses seem to be calculated for 2 mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ondebanks View Post
    Yup, because with the ultra-short flange distances of mirrorless cameras, we could use/adapt our existing lenses from any MF SLR system; heck even 35mm lenses if you want to max out the image circle on a bigger sensor and don't mind some vignetting. While the Hartblei B2 and Alpa FPS systems cover this territory to some extent, they're expensive for what they are and a bit bulky. So watch brand loyalty go out the window once the first well-integrated mirrorless CSC from anyone comes to market

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    Not sure what is coming from HB. Whatever it is, in my opinion they should
    bring something just below a 10k USD/EUR price point as this seems a barrier
    for many, especially amateur photographers. They should come back and cater
    the ambitioned amateur. When i bought the 503CW+80mm lens in 2002 it was
    a 4.5k EUR something package which, given inflation and digital means
    something around 9-10k today. I'm not sure another photographic masterpiece
    priced above 20k would help them much as the number of customers who can
    afford this (or are willing to take the bite) is limited.
    The H6 demonstrates that their R&D is still quite capable, also financially.

    So as what this "more from HB" is we can only speculate for now, I'd wish for
    something MF'ish in a smaller body (no reason to put a 50MP CMOS sensor
    in a 645 full size body) at a price point around 9k. So now if that has a mirror
    or an EVF i really don't care as long as it is as bright and nice as the one from
    the H.

    Just my 2 cents for the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    Is it in Hassy's interest to make a (presumably) less expensive camera to use with its lenses?

    I admit to a certain bias, as my preference would be a fixed lens "mirrorless" MF camera.
    I believe a fixed lens would be a mistake.

    Why didn't this happen? It is now April 2016. I would like to believe people other than I are waiting for this or something very similar. >>>>> Rumor: Sony and Mamiya to Release Medium Format Rangefinder-Style Cameras in 2015

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    I'll take a stab.

    Fixed lens 50MP CMOS medium format "rangefinder" (ala Xpan) style camera with a 60mm 2.8 lens. Interchangeable lens body later. Collaboration with Fuji.
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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    I went and saw the new H6D camera today at a demo workshop here in DC. I asked the Rep some questions about the future of Hasselblad. He said that while he didn't know any specifics of new cameras, there were indeed new cameras coming this year from Hasselblad most likely at Photokina. I asked him specifically about the possibility of a digital X-Pan and he said that the company was well aware of the demand for this type of camera and they consider it a "silver bullet" for expanding into a new market. My gut feeling is that we will indeed see this camera coming this year. That is all.
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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    I forgot to mention that I also find it interesting that you have to register your new H6D-100C/50C by September 30th to get the 3 year warranty. With Photokina being Sep 20-25 2016, some new camera is coming for sure.

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    Re: More to come From Hasselblad

    A digital x-pan, hm, sounds good. But I frear if it comes it will only have a normal sensor and at best will crop to a panoramic format. Which in the end is useless as I can do that myself. I hope I'm wrong, I just can't see a digital panoramic sensor in the near future.

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    We'll probably see something more along the lines of a Mamiya 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    We'll probably see something more along the lines of a Mamiya 7.
    We can only hope. A full sensor field camera would be very welcome.

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    The more I think about it the more I think a digital X-Pan makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons as long as they keep (or something near) the true 24x65-ish resolution and not some sensor crop crap. If the price is relatively reasonable (let's say $3-4000 for the body and one lens) then I think it could be a hot seller and a way to get people to enter into the Hasselblad ecosystem while giving digital Leica M cameras a run for the money too. It doesn't have to provide extreme resolution, something like two modified Sony A7S sensors side by side to give something in the 24-32 megapixel range and outstanding low light capability would be amazing actually. The lenses could be made quite a bit smaller too and slower due to the extreme lowlight ability if this were the case.

    I wouldn't mind having a normal 24x36 mode and a 24x24 mode as well as crop options either while we're dreaming. Just my thoughts on the subject though.
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    Unfortunately the crop crap is most probable. Custom sensor sizes seems incredibly rare these days, and I think it's becoming rarer now with Sony having taken over from Dalsa. My understanding is that Hasseblad reluctantly gave up the 49x37mm size for their H system, but Sony couldn't make them that custom size (for a reasonable cost), so away it went. I find a digital X-pan with 24x56mm sensor extremely unlikely, but I hope I'm wrong of course...

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    Is it possible to tile / butt two aps-c or 35mm full frame Cmos sensors together? Would that get around needing a ground
    up custom design?
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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    Unfortunately the crop crap is most probable. Custom sensor sizes seems incredibly rare these days, and I think it's becoming rarer now with Sony having taken over from Dalsa. My understanding is that Hasseblad reluctantly gave up the 49x37mm size for their H system, but Sony couldn't make them that custom size (for a reasonable cost), so away it went. I find a digital X-pan with 24x56mm sensor extremely unlikely, but I hope I'm wrong of course...
    True. A way around this would be a technology partnership (with say Sony/Fuji) to increase the number of cameras potentially being made. Fewer resources would be needed to develop the camera if one used an existing sensor design as a base to modify I imagine. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying plenty of steps in this discussion but it's all just in theory and imagination at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Is it possible to tile / butt two aps-c or 35mm full frame Cmos sensors together? Would that get around needing a ground
    up custom design?
    Mitch Feinberg's digital 8x10" back consists of four butted xray sensors, but the gap could not be made smaller than 80 um. No problem for his application, but here the gap would need to be less than 5-10 um to allow decent interpolation, I don't know if any manufacturer can get sensors that close today.

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