ErikKaffehr
Well-known member
Hi,
I am not coming from 8x10 drum scans, although I have some 6x7cm drum scans and a lot of 6x7cm CCD scans.
My experience with the P45+ has not been a negative one. The images were mostly very good. One issue I would think of that I feel the Phase One workflow is sort of protecting to the highlights.
So everything is set up avoid ETTR exposure. That increases noise. Default noise reduction takes care of that. If you check out the raw file in a straight raw converter, like DCraw you will see some noise.
The A7rII I am using now has some of the same issues, the camera histogram is very conservative. Need to learn more about that, my older Sonys have been less conservative.
I had some discussions with Hans Kruse, who was instructor at least for one of the Phase One workshops. He says that he had experienced something like three hangups with older Phase One system in the workshop, and felt that the system was not very reliable. But he also was quite impressed by the image quality. Still his conclusion was that he could not build a business case for the Phase One system. But, Hans doesn't print very large. Interestingly, Hans found that the Nikon system he owns has significant advantage in DR, but that doesn't really matter for his photography. With the Canons he brackets a bit more, to get ETTR and he also shots HDR.
Something I found out discussing with Hans was that he had issues with his 24-70/2.8 LII zoom, that was off to repair. The loaner he got had also some issues. I have heard that he got the lens repaired and it was quite OK after repair. Sample variations are around us.
I made quite a lot of nice images with the P45+, although I use LR in different versions, not C1. C1 doesn't work for me, although I see some advantages with it.
What I have noticed that I have a lot of nice images, but they essentially don't make it to the wall. Don't know why. I would think that it may depend on using primes, with zooms giving a better choice for compositions. I am a bit point of view fixed. Select point of view and than a lens to match. Another thing may be that the MFD doesn't make it to those best spots.
It is nice to have a gear that can make all jobs well.
From my viewpoint it is questionable if crop frame MFD makes a lot of sense. Full frame MFD with high pixel count makes a lot of sense. Now that the latest MFD backs use Sony CMOS they should be able to play the advantage of size over 24x36mm Sony based cameras.
Hasselblad seem to take a different approach than Phase One. We have only one Phase One dealer here in Sweden, Scandinavan Photo. They have not been very knowledgeable about Phase One when I bought my P45+, they never heard about viewfinder masks. That may have been improved.
In Sweden we have price lists for all Hasselblad and Phase One gear, at www.goecker.se (Hasselblad) and www.scandinavianphoto.se (Phase One).
Best regards
Erik
I am not coming from 8x10 drum scans, although I have some 6x7cm drum scans and a lot of 6x7cm CCD scans.
My experience with the P45+ has not been a negative one. The images were mostly very good. One issue I would think of that I feel the Phase One workflow is sort of protecting to the highlights.
- Histograms are very conservative
- The standard film curve in C1 is very bright
- A healthy amount of noise reduction in C1 even at base ISO
So everything is set up avoid ETTR exposure. That increases noise. Default noise reduction takes care of that. If you check out the raw file in a straight raw converter, like DCraw you will see some noise.
The A7rII I am using now has some of the same issues, the camera histogram is very conservative. Need to learn more about that, my older Sonys have been less conservative.
I had some discussions with Hans Kruse, who was instructor at least for one of the Phase One workshops. He says that he had experienced something like three hangups with older Phase One system in the workshop, and felt that the system was not very reliable. But he also was quite impressed by the image quality. Still his conclusion was that he could not build a business case for the Phase One system. But, Hans doesn't print very large. Interestingly, Hans found that the Nikon system he owns has significant advantage in DR, but that doesn't really matter for his photography. With the Canons he brackets a bit more, to get ETTR and he also shots HDR.
Something I found out discussing with Hans was that he had issues with his 24-70/2.8 LII zoom, that was off to repair. The loaner he got had also some issues. I have heard that he got the lens repaired and it was quite OK after repair. Sample variations are around us.
I made quite a lot of nice images with the P45+, although I use LR in different versions, not C1. C1 doesn't work for me, although I see some advantages with it.
What I have noticed that I have a lot of nice images, but they essentially don't make it to the wall. Don't know why. I would think that it may depend on using primes, with zooms giving a better choice for compositions. I am a bit point of view fixed. Select point of view and than a lens to match. Another thing may be that the MFD doesn't make it to those best spots.
It is nice to have a gear that can make all jobs well.
From my viewpoint it is questionable if crop frame MFD makes a lot of sense. Full frame MFD with high pixel count makes a lot of sense. Now that the latest MFD backs use Sony CMOS they should be able to play the advantage of size over 24x36mm Sony based cameras.
Hasselblad seem to take a different approach than Phase One. We have only one Phase One dealer here in Sweden, Scandinavan Photo. They have not been very knowledgeable about Phase One when I bought my P45+, they never heard about viewfinder masks. That may have been improved.
In Sweden we have price lists for all Hasselblad and Phase One gear, at www.goecker.se (Hasselblad) and www.scandinavianphoto.se (Phase One).
Best regards
Erik
Not at all - just specifically unimpressed with P1 files. They were so bad there was no point in even trying. My Nikon files are fine, as are my 1.8 GB drum scans. I build imaging software, have actually not been in a darkroom since late 70's.
The "bulky" comment refers to typical beginner's bad habit - uncertainty about the result - first time with this specific gear - made me fire far more shots in the hope that at least one would catch the best light. In the end, none was technically good, nor artistically relevant.