Well reading you guys and looking at film prints I decided to get a medium format again. I do miss the look of Black and white film and seeing medium format back prices go down someday I will get one. but for now I will be able to shoot black and white film again on a contax 645. I did try a mamiya and well I hated the feel of the camera. also contax used prices have come down and the good mamiya phase camera is up high in pricing. I got a contax 645 with lens for under a grand and am very happy. David