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    A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    A new FEVER has gripped the Mind...

    Having played with a Hassy this past week
    and then the opportunity with A Mamiya Yesterday
    its something I WANT
    but will have to wait Till Summer
    so any Advice tilting in either Direction.... Pros & Cons
    Both seem seductive
    How does the 75mm mamiya glass compare to the zeiss 80mm ?

    I like the 6 because of the compactness collapsible lens
    and the hassy for looking down and cranking the image into purrfection

    I Do LOVE Digital but since working w/Film
    FILM RULES
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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    A new FEVER has gripped the Mind...

    Having played with a Hassy this past week
    and then the opportunity with A Mamiya Yesterday
    its something I WANT
    but will have to wait Till Summer
    so any Advice tilting in either Direction.... Pros & Cons
    Both seem seductive
    How does the 75mm mamiya compare to the zeiss 80mm ?

    I like the 6 because of the compactness collapsible lens
    and the hassy for looking down and cranking the image into purrfection

    I Do LOVE Digital but since working w/Film
    FILM RULES
    Both are great even i never played with either, but if i have the choice then i will go with Hassy
    I saw one in the same store or dealer of Hasselblad i bought my digital, the body itself look sexy, different class, but i can't just judge on the body look, but i see many on the net having Hassy film over Mamiya, and the name of Hasselblad is something else as well.

    Good luck!

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    rangefinder vs. slr? Totally different. One is really compact, and very sharp lens. The other is bit more awkward, gives system capabilities (lots of lenses) and SLR composition.

    I've enjoyed both, but found I took pictures too rapidly (too many) with the Mamiya, and needed to slow down. The Hassy is makes for more thoughtful pictures, the Mam 6 for more street shots of high quality. Take your choice. I happen to love focusing and composing on the glass - that extra bit of reflection makes for more careful shooting.

    Just to mess you up - have you tried an twin lens? They have another charm to them as well.
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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    they are very hard to compare.
    Probably more Hassy's available used in good condition than mamiya 6's. And the 6's tend to command a high price because it was only produced for a short time. so you might be paying a premium for that.

    another issue, the internal meter in the 6 is pretty bad in my estimation, all over the map. the mamiya 7 has a better meter, even tho the design is similar, they fixed it. so if metering is an issue...of course the hassy has no meter so perhaps that is not an issue.

    probably more used glass available for the hassy. With the six you are stuck with three choices. But the lenses are great. Nothing lost to the hasselblad optics. the mamiya 7, one of my all time favs has some of the best rangefinder glass bar none.

    difficult choice, probably has more to do with working methods as the other posters have mentioned.

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    Everyone ends up with a 500 Blad, a Mamiya 7 and an Xpan at some time. -

    and yes - film does rule.

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    I say go with the classic 'blad.....and vintage Zeiss glass! :-)

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    I love the Mamya for its compactness, low vibration (no mirror schake), sharp lenses, fast focus, bright viewfinder.
    IMO great for travel, landscape etc.
    What I didnt : when using 150mm the frame in the viewfinder is pretty small, also the shortest focusing distance of the lenses is pretty long-which I found problematic for portraits.
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    I don't know what the Mamiya 6 feels like, but I have a 500C and a 2000FC/M, and I can say with some confidence that even the best of the newer cameras do not give the same feel of satisfaction that these cameras do. I would compare using the classic Hasselblad to using a Leica M film camera. Chrome, leatherette, Aluminium, Bakelite. Perfection.
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    Helen have you tried a twin lens rollieflex,still made at about 3500pounds but hundreds available dirt cheap second hand........all the best ,Neil.



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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    If you want to use it handheld, get the Mamiya 6 -- it is easier to handhold, easier to press the shutter without vibrating the camera, it has no mirror slap, no viewfinder blackout, it is far quieter and it has a meter. It will also give you a higher camera angle than the waist level finder of the hasselblad. That can be important if you are not the tallest person around. I love my 203FE (hasselblad), but the mamiya 7II I use is much better when used handheld and the glass is just as good, if not better in the wide and normal range.
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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    +1

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    After having gone primarily digital the last several years I just sold off a bunch of Hasselblad equipment but I kept the Mamiya 7 and the lenses; a quiet, lightweight travel combo with sharp results and a big chunk of negative. Perfectly suited for my occasional needs.

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    Helen

    You could hardly conceive of two more different cameras, the choice is entirely dependant on what you aim to do with them.

    Based on the images you have uploaded here I'd say that the Mamiya would be more suitable.

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    If you intend to shoot a fair amount and go with the RF then pick a Mamiya 7/7II over the 6. Rewind levers are fragile age is much older and build quality not a lot better on the 6. All things considered you will have a much larger universe of used lenses etc for the 7. Crop square and you have a six. Not that much larger and in a similar size to a Hasselblad 500... I find it much easier to pack a 7 couple of lenses and 40 or 50 rolls of 120/220 than a similar Hasselblad setup. Meter on the 7 is very good if you know its inherent strengths and weaknesses.

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    Keith has a good point in that the two cameras are quite dissimilar. One allows many additional options in imaging and closeup work while both can be use as street cameras.

    The following are a couple of shots from each camera. Mamiya 7 with 65.
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    Mamiya 7 with 65 handheld.
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    Mamiya 7 with 65 on monopod. Specs in the blue sky are birds.
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    Now 500cm with CF 80 mirrorlocked up handheld.
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    500cm with CF 80 MLU handheld.

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Everyone ends up with a 500 Blad, a Mamiya 7 and an Xpan at some time. -

    and yes - film does rule.
    Now that is scary ... and true! I can personally attest to this.

    The other thing that happens is that you wish you'd never sold them, even though they were sitting for ages unused in the cupboard.

    You could probably add a Leica M6/35 cron to this list too.

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    Another vote for the Mamiya 7 or 7II & 65mm combo. Add a 43mm for wide and you're pretty much set with a superb RF outfit that can be used handheld. I found the 65 more versatile than the 80, although 80's are much easier to find. Very robust and you can carry it around like a super-sized Leica.

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    I think it depends on how your're going to use it. For travel I'd surely choose the Mamiya. One thing about the Mamiya 7II though is it has a spot meter that meters the lower right quadrant. Easy to blow out skies with it. A fixed soft nd grad on the lens will help this. Don't know how the other models meter.

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    Hey. I've bought a 503cw +80mm one month ago, an enlarger, and have been spending way too much in the darkroom (=bathroom). And the photos look amazing, even with my lacking skills. No scanner yet to post stuff.

    It's an awesome photographic experience. Diametrically opposite to the small format ricoh street shooting. It actually takes a decent amount of time and thought to fill the 12 frames.

    Apparently the 80 mm is not regarded as highly as some of the other lenses, but it does have that 40mm equivalent (in 35mm terms) look that a lot of people, me included, like a lot. I'm not sure of the mathematics, but I don't quite agree that it's the equivalent of 50mm. It also has the "many famous photos were taken with this very lens" look

    One thing I can warn you about is buying on ebay. I thought I got an excellent deal, until I took it to Hassy service for lube & adjust. There were various problems, and it cost a whole lot. So it could be good to buy from a reputable dealer for a little more, or be absolutely sure about the seller. I think you're also lucky, since one of the apparently most reputable service guys is in new york. David Odess, or something. He also has a very useful webpage.

    I'd also search photo.net, they have a ton of information on medium format film.

    I have no idea about the mamiya, but if there is a better experience than the hassy, I'd like to know.

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    I guess you could hand hold a Blad, but the best results will be from use on a tripod with careful composition and mirror lock-up.

    I guess you could shoot with a Mamiya on a tripod, but they are at their best hand held......just like a Leica M.

    I would suggest that you make you decision based on which way you will be using it most. As people have indicated there is no wrong decision.....just go with the one that works best for you.

    The only reason to consider otherwise is if you think you may want to shoot with a digital back at some time in the future......Blad 500 series are fully compatible with most DMFB's.

    I recently purchased a mint Blad with 50 FLE, 100 Planar, & 180 Sonnar, for prices that would have been unheard of just a few years ago.

    Medium format B&W film, really doesn't have any serious competition in smaller format digital products.

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    Not to mention that you can put it on your table, and it looks like a work of art

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Now that is scary ... and true! I can personally attest to this.

    The other thing that happens is that you wish you'd never sold them, even though they were sitting for ages unused in the cupboard.

    You could probably add a Leica M6/35 cron to this list too.
    Darn. I'm still short two of these cameras. Ok Helen....in this case, you can't go wrong, get either the Hasselbald or the Mamiya 6/7, knowing full well that eventually, you will just have to get the other one. Doesn't really matter which one you start with, right? :-))

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    P.S. Remember that thread eons ago about the special allure of Zeiss glass?

    P.S.S. Zeiss or no Zeiss...I'm still kicking myself because I couldn't buy Don Hutton's Mamiya 7II kit.

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    The Mamiya 7II was my first serious camera. I only had the 65mm lens and it was as sharp as a tack. This is one of my favorite images made with it, actually it's a crop not full frame as is obvious. Made on Kanan Road between Malibu and Agoura, California. Velvia.

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    Helen - I've owned both. I never got the hang of the Hasselblad off of a tripod - I found it surprisingly hard to get my hands into the right places and hold it steadily against the mirror slap. But strongly its favor is the CZ glass which will reward in a manner similar to Leica M and screw mount glass. And of course there is a path to digital with it if you like it. But plan on using a tripod.

    I always thought of the Mamiya as a large, plastic Leica. It's not a particularly satisfying camera to use but the lens quality is stunning. Bring a handheld meter; metering on the camera is really quirky.

    My favorite medium format film camera (and an all time favorite) was the twin lens Rollei 2.8 F, referred to in another post above. Look for the version with CZ glass - it was also made with Schneider glass. Even the way the strap attaches to the body is a total work of art. The Rollei gives you a from-the-navel point of view that is an identifying characteristic of the camera's images. It's silent and discrete and rock solid to hand hold braced against your tummy. Obviously the lenses do not interchange; there is a rare mid-tele version, and an extremely rare wide version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Helen - I've owned both. I never got the hang of the Hasselblad off of a tripod - I found it surprisingly hard to get my hands into the right places and hold it steadily against the mirror slap. But strongly its favor is the CZ glass which will reward in a manner similar to Leica M and screw mount glass. And of course there is a path to digital with it if you like it. But plan on using a tripod.
    I sort of disagree with this. Nothing against using a tripod, but I don't see why it should be necessary. I find the Hassy a joy to use handheld. I mean, there is no reason for a tripod to be a must - although this clearly depends on your style of shooting.

    Regarding your first point, if you are using a tripod, why not pre-release?

    Handheld, I don't think the mirror slap makes a difference.

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    You might also consider the Hassleblad Superwide C (referred to as the SWC) - a truly legendary performer which alas I haven't owned. Same film magazines but no mirror - there is a large viewfinder and you focus using the distance scale - not a real challenge given its depth of field. There is a current thread on this forum on using it with a digital back, a proposition that I find very tempting.

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    Helen - just to throw a spanner in the works have you looked at the Rollei SLR lineup? Someone mentioned the care needed when purchasing on Ebay however 6 months ago I picked up from Ebay an absolutely mint kit consisting of a 6002, 45 degree revolving prism, 50, 80 and 150 lenses, Charger, spare inserts and spare batteries and a remote release for $1,500! And they're still available at this price.
    This kit is perfect. Rollei glass is awesome, metering absolutely spot on, (I used to own a lightmeter, but not any more!) motor driven, and most definitely "hand holdable".
    I also have a 500CM with CF glass and I'm blowed if I can see the difference. As you say - film rocks!

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    My favorite medium format film camera (and an all time favorite) was the twin lens Rollei 2.8 F
    Ok, if we're stepping outside the box....here's another vote for a twin lens reflex camera. In my case, the Mamiya C220/C330. Very sharp lenses, very simple operation. A terrific medium format camera.....should work good for street photography too.

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    Wow, I'm Floored with All Your Thoughts & Enthusiasm...THANK YOU

    Quite Impressive that landscape shot of Yours Doug
    and
    Sizifo: How cool is that from a Ricoh to a Hassy
    and like me bathroom developing...
    and YES Gary, The Allure of Zeiss Glass ... Lovely shot of Trees

    Since I just bought an M8 /from Bob
    and its in FAB/EXC shape & Tres Beautiful
    I should be Happy
    but I'm feeling rather FLAT
    Either I had over high expectations of an M8
    and obviously its new to me & I'm not adept
    but FILM seems to lure my heart, eye & hand....

    So I'm Confused...
    My M2 is mad at me
    but I'm Persevering...
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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    love the tlr rollei, nothing else like it:
    ground glass viewing you can fall into
    waist level finder perspective, reversed l/r image to get used to
    silent little shutter click, no mirror
    oh so cool and retro
    great lenses
    not much dough
    a 2-1/4 sq format
    i've got one if you want to try it out

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    Rollei 2.8F from the '70s. Shot on Tri-X processed in D76. Imacon scans. BTW this is my only cat shot ever.

    Attachment 13006

    Attachment 13004

    Attachment 13005

    Sorry - looks like we're hijacking Helen's thread into a "fun with film" thread.

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    I really like the first two Woody. The first one must have been tough seeing thru the viewfinder !

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    Helen, I have used both systems and many others over the years. I traveled to Peru and Burma a few years back with 2 Leica M6s (with 35mm, 50mm, and 90mm) and 2 Mamiya 6s (with 50mm, 75mm, and 150mm). ALL the gear fit snugly in a Domke F-3x Super Compact bag. The weight distribution was much better than when I tried the same with my Hasselblad system. The Mamiya M6 outfitted with the standard 75mm lens becomes much more compact that the Mamiya 7. It basically flattens into the body for travel. All three Mamiya lenses were seemingly as sharp as my Hasselblad lenses and were about 1/3 to 1/2 the size. The camera is great for the road and documentary work. For studio and portraiture I would pick the Hasselblad or something similar.
    Anyhow here are a few images shot with the Mamiya for your perusal.

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    One more opinion: I was really into the M2 for years, and finally moved up to MF about 15 years ago. The quest started with the Hassy, but was never comfortable with its ergonomic oddities for handheld shooting. It all made sense, and was really neat, but it just didn't work for me.

    Then tried the rangefinders - Mamiya 6 was neat (folding up is wonderful!), and even a Plaubel (smaller yet), but for MF film, the Rollei TLR takes the cake. The TLR can take some amazing shots.

    I've moved from looking for the "good shot", to striving for "keepers" - ones that resonate over a longer period of time. The Mamiya 6/7 or the Leica M8 is wonderful for the good shot, and has a lot of capability. Both are fine cameras.

    But with a SLR or TLR, it is possible to get to the next level of composition. Shooting off the glass is sort of halfway to LF photography, but still hand held. Check out the work of Geoffrey James and his landscapes. His square work is TLR based and just wonderful.

    http://photo-muse.blogspot.com/2007/...rey-james.html
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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    FAB shots
    Docmoore: those hassy shots were wonderful
    turned my head around / nore than the mamiya
    or maybe it was THAT DOLL's gaze

    Woody: Outstanding as usual

    HalfFrame: Beautiful...makes me LOVE the Mamiya 6 even More

    Geoff: Sooo Atmospheric /Did You ever see Bruce Davidson's book 'CIRCUS'
    its one of me Fav's Thank you re:Geoffrey james

    taking off work Today & out to play in the Snow storm...M2 all the way..my Spirits are Uplifted
    THANX Everyone!!

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    Helen - nice complete 7II system (no affiliation to or knowledge of seller)

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/737498

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    Leica M and Hassey 500 ... two peas in a pod when it comes to tactile feel. Solid. Forever.

    To experience different aspects of photography, it's cool to use both.

    Mine is on a tripod only in studio, or when sporting the 350mm lens.

    One of my favorites is to shoot out-dated Polaroid film (or Fuji) and scan it on a flat bed. Wahooo!

    Mamiya 7-II is cool too. But I sold mine because I just couldn't warm up to it. The Hassey 500 is still here. I just bought the old girl a Think Tank roller of her own ... 'cause she deserves it after all these years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    ...The Hassey 500 is still here. I just bought the old girl a Think Tank roller of her own ... 'cause she deserves it after all these years.
    So true, so true....

    (My 501CM, 553ELX and 503CWD travel in Pelican cases, hard and soft).

    Helen....I know you're thinking film here, but remember that your Hasselblad 500 series camera (the V system) could someday sport a CFV back too. I'm sure prices of these backs will fall substantially over the coming years. You would then have the best of both worlds...classic Hasselblad/Zeiss camera/lens with film and a 9 micron MFDB! Works for me (and Marc).

    Gary
    Alaska

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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    I shot the Hassy for so long if i went back to film it maybe kinda fun to shoot the Mamiya for a change of pace and it is pretty small.

    But Gary has a good point and if you ever wanted to dabble in MF dig. There is that option
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    Re: A Mamiya 6 OR Hasselblad 500cm

    The only real downside of the Hasselblad for me is the weight and bulk. Once I started carrying the G10 with me everyday, I find myself thinking (when I contemplate going out with the Hasselblad or Pentax 67)...."do I really need to take all that extra gear with me today?" Lately it seems, more often than not, I say no....and head out the door with the trusty G10 in my pocket. I suppose this is how some folks felt about the small Contax film cameras, in their day. Using something like the Hasselblad is a completely different experience, at least in my case.

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