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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by mjr View Post
    The tripod chat is great, I feel completely inadequate as I bought a gitzo 12 years ago and even though one leg slides all the way out if I let it, it has lasted like a champ and gets used most days. I will replace it soon, may be too difficult from your side of the pond Matt but let me know when you have a plan for your Novoflex kit, would definitely be interested.

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    Mat, this is always a good place to start: https://thecentercolumn.com/

    If you are thinking about using this with your M10 and want to travel/fly/hike with it too, I might suggest the Gitzo Traveler 1545. I picked one up for my X Pro2 and it is just about perfect. I did not use the Gitzo head and have the weight down to a little over 1kg.
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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    I don't need a tripod. So, of course, I have the Peak Design, a Feisol, RRS TFC-14, Novoflex Triobal, Triopod, Pro-75 (7 lbs!), and a half dozen sets of interchangeable legs, and the aforementioned Gitzo 3-series. Don't ask about tripod heads. Why so many? Because I like them. Just like I used to like cameras before I started taking pictures with them in earnest.

    Matt (pictures to come)
    Matt: didn't you just pick up an Arca D4 here? Or perhaps I'm confusing you with another one of Dante's helpless (hapless?) victims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothjazz View Post
    During the time off I did some testing and experimenting, and found that with longer lenses (150mm + 2x Tele in particular) on the Phase XF, my Gitzo leveling base was causing some subtle unsharpness or blurriness. This was seen with mirror up and using Electronic Shutter, and taking all the precautions possible.
    I use the 5 series Gitzo tripod and the Arca cube, and found this was happening consistently; I attribute it to some micro-vibrations transferred through the leveling base. Have you tested the RRS for this at all?
    I have since taken the leveling base out of my tripod set-up, and this seems to help.
    I use a Cube with the RRS leveling base on a TVC-33 tripod, and it seems pretty solid to me. Here's an image taken with a Zeiss 250mm Superachromat adapted to my Cambo WRS1250 + IQ3100; +/-10mm shifted, two-image stitch, electronic shutter @ 15 sec. It was a very calm night as I recall, although I've also shot >1 sec exposures in somewhat windy conditions without any problem.

    https://jngai58.prodibi.com/a/dw5kzv...H66RoF6qEXE%3D

    I'm not familiar with the Gitzo leveling base, but the nice thing about the RRS 3-series leveling base is its low profile. I've seen serious issues with vibration with a D4 head on the 2-series leveling base, which together resulted in a pretty tall stack height that vibrated like a tuning fork. I also wonder whether the 2x teleconverter might be exacerbating whatever small amount of instability there is in your support system. When I shoot with the 1.4x teleconverter I generally use a long lens support rail.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    Can anyone help me with service contacts for Arca Swiss L60? My L60 seems to have slipped a gear in one direction. I can find the German site but not the actual company.
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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

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    Can anyone help me with service contacts for Arca Swiss L60? My L60 seems to have slipped a gear in one direction. I can find the German site but not the actual company.
    You could try reaching out to Rod Klukas, I believe he’s the Arca rep for the US and may be able to help.

    Contact info from his site: http://rodklukas.com/arca-swiss/

    Hope that helps or someone else more knowledgeable can chime in
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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by jng View Post
    Matt: didn't you just pick up an Arca D4 here? Or perhaps I'm confusing you with another one of Dante's helpless (hapless?) victims.

    John
    Now what did I say about not asking about tripod heads?

    The D4 is not yet here, but I've always wanted one. The Cube is fabulous, but it is slow to make large movements. I always liked the P0, but it just seems a bit flexible. The L60 and L75 (mini cube and midi cube) are also very nice pieces of kit, but need a leveling base. The L60 and Novy Triobal was a great combo for that reason. But the RRS leveling base and L75 on the Gitzo 3-series makes for a nice, but weighty package.

    But wait! We're just getting started! I'm lately fond of the little RRS BH-30 I got to go with the RRS TFC-14. Very light, very stiff. I have the BH-40 and BH-55 gathering dust on a shelf, along with a UniqBall, and a tiny Manfrotto. Half a dozen Novoflex panning and clamping solutions (the one hand snap-in is brilliant, but heavy and off-center).

    Sigh,

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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Now what did I say about not asking about tripod heads?

    The D4 is not yet here, but I've always wanted one. The Cube is fabulous, but it is slow to make large movements. I always liked the P0, but it just seems a bit flexible. The L60 and L75 (mini cube and midi cube) are also very nice pieces of kit, but need a leveling base. The L60 and Novy Triobal was a great combo for that reason. But the RRS leveling base and L75 on the Gitzo 3-series makes for a nice, but weighty package.

    But wait! We're just getting started! I'm lately fond of the little RRS BH-30 I got to go with the RRS TFC-14. Very light, very stiff. I have the BH-40 and BH-55 gathering dust on a shelf, along with a UniqBall, and a tiny Manfrotto. Half a dozen Novoflex panning and clamping solutions (the one hand snap-in is brilliant, but heavy and off-center).

    Sigh,

    Matt
    ...and of course Matt I’m sure you know RRS has been teasing a new setup on social media (pushed back currently)....
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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    I try to keep it simple.

    I have four sets of legs ... an older Bogen 3120 (I think), a Feisol 3442 Tournament, a Manfrotto 190CXPro3, and the new Peak Design Travel Tripod. The Manfrottos get used the most.

    I have Arca Swiss Monoball P0 and P0h heads, as well as Acratech Ultimate Ballhead, GP-1, and Markins Emilie. Plus the built in on the PD legs, and the adapter for use of any head with those legs. The A-S P0h gets used the most.

    All but the PD Travel Tripod tend to get used mostly around the house or when I go somewhere specifically to make photographs. And I nearly always grab the Manfrotto legs with the P0h on them because they're fast, sturdy enough, and do the job for most of what I need most of the time. But I don't use any of them in the field as much as I ought to because they're too much to carry most of the time.

    The Peak Design Travel Tripod is new, of course, and I'm finding that I am using it more and more. It's the only tripod I have that fits right into my bicycle pack, or drops into all four of my most commonly used bags. It never gets in the way because it is small, light, and tidy. I've found that having it with me means I actually use it, and get much better results because of it with any of my cameras, for all kinds of photography, with all kinds of weird and wonderful cameras ... or even my iPhone. I'm very glad I bought it.

    I should get rid of the Bogen legs .. haven't used them in years, they're in perfect shape and are just taking up space in the closet. I should get rid of the extra heads ... I don't use them. The two A-S head are both on the A-S quick-change system so I can swap them between the Feisol and Manfrotto legs easily. I should get another of the quick-change mounts and put it on the universal head adapter for the PD tripod because I really really like the Monoball.

    But I'm lazy and it'll take a good while for things to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothjazz View Post
    During the time off I did some testing and experimenting, and found that with longer lenses (150mm + 2x Tele in particular) on the Phase XF, my Gitzo leveling base was causing some subtle unsharpness or blurriness. This was seen with mirror up and using Electronic Shutter, and taking all the precautions possible.
    I use the 5 series Gitzo tripod and the Arca cube, and found this was happening consistently; I attribute it to some micro-vibrations transferred through the leveling base. Have you tested the RRS for this at all?
    I have since taken the leveling base out of my tripod set-up, and this seems to help.
    I have not yet had any sharpness issues with my combination that weren’t caused by either me or IBIS (in the case of the GFX100), but I honestly haven’t done much (if any) longer lens testing as of yet. Most of my testing of this setup has been doing lens and camera head to heads.

    As noted by John/jng above, the RRS leveling base is quite low profile. Looking at pictures of the Gitzo base is looks like the ball portion sits a bit further above the spider than the RRS one does.

    So far the only fault I’ve found with the RRS leveling base is that when I loaded it up for my “maximum stress test” (Arca Swiss monolith in 4x5 mode with a 300mm lens) the base started to slip when I used the cube’s “extra 60 degrees” which really torques up the head—>spider connection! I was able to tighten it further though to eliminate the slippage so I guess this was my fault.

    I was also surprised at how much visible play the Cube exhibited when exerting pressure on the Monolith during this test. I don’t think it would be prone to vibration (this was a LOT of force on it...) but I was just surprised given its reputation for rigidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinN View Post
    Am I the only one noticing some movement or ghosting of the camera? Maybe a Cube should be mounted between the camera and the tripod.
    Maybe the greatest camera name ever? (IMHO of course!)
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    I was also surprised at how much visible play the Cube exhibited when exerting pressure on the Monolith during this test. I don’t think it would be prone to vibration (this was a LOT of force on it...) but I was just surprised given its reputation for rigidity.
    I find the cube excellent with any weight mostly above it. However once you put leverage on it, usually a longer lens (Mamiya 645 300/2.8 or Leica R APO-Telyt Modular) or monorail, it flexes too much. I use those lenses on Wimberley head on a wooden tripod.

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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    Three different answers - over the past years:
    RRS BH40 ball head easy to use, but small droop while tightening. Largely retired.
    Linhof 3D leveling is very good, not quite as flexible as the Cube (no 90º, 10º max angle) nicely geared and very stable. Use for long shots or for max stability is needed. .
    Arca D4 is the daily standard - quick and easy, works well. A bit tall and heavy. Has developed a little looseness, needs a bit of attention.

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    Ken,
    One quick question; you have the cube mounted on a tripod on the right, and there is one additional part in between the cube and the tripod. What is the additional part-a leveler of some type?

    Thanks

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    The gangs all here!

    Arca Swiss: The Cube; The Mini-Cube; and The Baby Cube!

    Interesting to note that the new Mini-Cube (Leveler 75) uses a RRS Dovetail 55 for the Welland tripod quick release system. The larger Cube uses the DVTL-40. The Mini-Cube is a much better fit for the RRS TVC 2 series legs. The Baby Cube is perfect with the Novoflex Triobalance (leveling built-in) which gives it the same amount of movements as the Leveler 75.

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    Which Wimberley head do you use?

    Quote Originally Posted by John_McMaster View Post
    I find the cube excellent with any weight mostly above it. However once you put leverage on it, usually a longer lens (Mamiya 645 300/2.8 or Leica R APO-Telyt Modular) or monorail, it flexes too much. I use those lenses on Wimberley head on a wooden tripod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothjazz View Post
    Ken,
    One quick question; you have the cube mounted on a tripod on the right, and there is one additional part in between the cube and the tripod. What is the additional part-a leveler of some type?

    Thanks
    The "part" that you see is a RRS lever release clamp on top on both the TVC-24 and TVC-33 tripod legs. You attach a RRS "dovetail"--TH-DVTL on the bottom of any tripod head (Cube). The Dovetail-40 fits the Cube perfectly. See, https://www.reallyrightstuff.com/th-dvtl-40 This set-up is known as the Graham Welland tripod quick release system. It allows you to quickly swap tripod heads with a lever release clamp. Arca Swiss now has its own "quick links" system which does essentially the same thing.

    I have since removed the Welland quick release system from my TVC-24 legs as the AS Leveler 75 aka "Mini-Cube" remains firmly affixed. Same for my Novoflex Triobalance travel tripod and AS Leveler 60 aka "Baby-Cube." I still use the Welland Quick Release system on my TVC-33 as I often swap using the Cube between this tripod and a studio camera stand.

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    A note of thanks to Rod Klukas - who read this, and contacted me immediately about the D4 - to send it back to the mothership in France for service. Impressive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Three different answers - over the past years:
    RRS BH40 ball head easy to use, but small droop while tightening. Largely retired.
    Linhof 3D leveling is very good, not quite as flexible as the Cube (no 90º, 10º max angle) nicely geared and very stable. Use for long shots or for max stability is needed. .
    Arca D4 is the daily standard - quick and easy, works well. A bit tall and heavy. Has developed a little looseness, needs a bit of attention.
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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

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    Which Wimberley head do you use?
    WH-200

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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Three different answers - over the past years:
    RRS BH40 ball head easy to use, but small droop while tightening. Largely retired.
    Linhof 3D leveling is very good, not quite as flexible as the Cube (no 90º, 10º max angle) nicely geared and very stable. Use for long shots or for max stability is needed. .
    Arca D4 is the daily standard - quick and easy, works well. A bit tall and heavy. Has developed a little looseness, needs a bit of attention.
    I was surprised by thecentercolumn.com's results on tripod heads. Ball-heads are almost uniformly stiffer than geared heads. There is the drooping problem, though. Tradeoffs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    I was surprised by thecentercolumn.com's results on tripod heads. Ball-heads are almost uniformly stiffer than geared heads. There is the drooping problem, though. Tradeoffs...

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    This is why I like the Arca-Swiss Monoball P0 Hybrid: use it like a ball head, and when you need to be precise, the gonimeters let you dial it in exactly and defeat the typical "little bit of drooping" problem. For the relatively light equipment I tend to be using, it's nearly ideal. Certainly not the best or only solution, but one that does the job for me.

    The only beef with it is that it is somewhat tall and a bit heavy compared to the standard P0 version. Trade-offs.

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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    This is complicated. I think three really good analyses of the moment of inertia really break down the issue of the camera, tripod, and head factors:

    https://thecentercolumn.com/2019/10/...nt-of-inertia/
    https://thecentercolumn.com/2019/08/...-of-ballheads/
    https://thecentercolumn.com/2019/08/...nt-of-inertia/

    The interesting thing is the ballhead is not a big factor. The tripod and gear are.

    I think the underlying issue is at what point does the tripod, head, and equipment actually result in softening on the image. My first long journey into the Japanese Alps, I need a compact and light system. I got a Gitzo Totolux 5-section tripod with a Manfrotto mini ballhead to support my Mamiya 6 medium-format camera with the 75mm standard lens. At approximately 3,000m (9,000ft), the conditions were going to be windy. No question this support was not the stiffest, although the lightest and most compact. However, this rather cringe worthy setup worked.



    I guess if you are simply transporting your tripod and carrying it from the car to the side of the road, you have the luxury of getting a very solid support system. If you are spending six weeks in the alps, there needs to be different choices, unless you can feed your mule as well. This for me is an important question. What is going to give me sharp images and allow me to carry the equipment when traveling? (Being six feet tall, complicates this.)
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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    This is why I like the Arca-Swiss Monoball P0 Hybrid: use it like a ball head, and when you need to be precise, the gonimeters let you dial it in exactly and defeat the typical "little bit of drooping" problem. For the relatively light equipment I tend to be using, it's nearly ideal. Certainly not the best or only solution, but one that does the job for me.

    The only beef with it is that it is somewhat tall and a bit heavy compared to the standard P0 version. Trade-offs.

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    The interesting thing is the Center Column does not give a very high stiffness rating to the standard P0, I assume the hybrid will be lower. Yet, I have found the P0 to be a great head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    My first long journey into the Japanese Alps, I need a compact and light system. I got a Gitzo Totolux 5-section tripod with a Manfrotto mini ballhead to support my Mamiya 6 medium-format camera with the 75mm standard lens. At approximately 3,000m (9,000ft), the conditions were going to be windy. No question this support was not the stiffest, although the lightest and most compact. However, this rather cringe worthy setup worked.
    Nice shot. Worked out well, it seems! In a pinch, a less stable tripod can be improved by just not opening the bottom one or two legs. Its a significant improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post

    I think the underlying issue is at what point does the tripod, head, and equipment actually result in softening on the image.

    I guess if you are simply transporting your tripod and carrying it from the car to the side of the road, you have the luxury of getting a very solid support system. If you are spending six weeks in the alps, there needs to be different choices, unless you can feed your mule as well. This for me is an important question. What is going to give me sharp images and allow me to carry the equipment when traveling? (Being six feet tall, complicates this.)

    It's amazing how little is actually required to get good results https://thecentercolumn.com/2019/07/...h-wind-speeds/ Unless you have really strong gusts of wind, it seems that pretty much anything will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    You could try reaching out to Rod Klukas, I believe he’s the Arca rep for the US and may be able to help.

    Contact info from his site: http://rodklukas.com/arca-swiss/

    Hope that helps or someone else more knowledgeable can chime in
    Thanks for the referral on this. Rod made contact and gave me contact details for PCW in US and the factory in France. Both responded to emails and I am just putting it in the box to send to PCW. Thanks again.
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    Re: The great tripod & head thread!

    I have a P0 Classic and an L60 leveler... and now that I have a Cube neither of them are my primary head. I like the look of the P0 Hybrid and was wondering... can I just mount my L60 in place of the clamp on the P0 platform and “make” a P0 hybrid? If so this would be great as it would combine the strengths of both to make a killer travel head for me
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