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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Why is a focal plane shutter better for use on an Actus etc than an electronic shutter? I wouldn't have thought it mattered?
    I think it's either focal plane or leaf shutter. AFAIK the Sony sensor can't do fully electronic shutter. Or am I wrong? It might be an updated sensor though with some new features... but I doubt it, except possibly a CFA mod for autofocus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    Hopefully Doug will chime in here and explain what exactly medium format is...

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    I agree with the other poster that I hope he doesn't explain in THIS thread but it seems like sour grapes on his part.

    Comparing FF MF to cropped sensor MF is the equivalent of going from FF to APS-H in 35mm terms. Yes it's smaller but the crop factor is less that going from a A7RII to an A6300. Both can produce outstanding results in the right hands.

    It sure didn't stop him from trying to sell me, "what I know now to be aren't "real" MF," IQ140/Credo 40 a couple years ago when I was seriously considering moving to MF. I suspect if this camera had a Phase One label on it then he'd be pushing it all over the MF, Leica, and Sony forums.

    There's a time and place to check brand loyalty and passion. Sometimes you gotta give credit where it's due. It all comes across as disingenuous on the part of him representing Digital Transitions IMO. That's unfortunate because I'd like to think of them as one of the premier MF dealers (along with Capture Integration - where I bought my Leica M9-P from)...
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    Who cares what dealers of other brands think? Although Doug usually gives fairly unbiased/technical advice, I don't think it's a good policy to trust a dealer's opinion on the equipment of competitors (or his own brands for that matter).
    New gear is always marketed against the competition's, nothing will change this time. Phase One just needs a little more time to come up with a fitting strategy, apparently.

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Doug doesn't have to chime in here. Seems you all have brought him here all by yourselves. Looks like you're more interested in a fight than the new camera.
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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    What happened? The new cam isn't a medium format system?

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    It could also be that Hassi got a new generation of Sony 50Mpix MF chips. It has been a while now since Pentax got the 645Z out. So it may well be that Sony has done some upgrades to their detector.
    Perhaps Pentax will also get a 645Z II out at the Kina.

    We will know soon enough :-)

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    Thank god it has started. If I heard "Jasmine trees, Jasmine leaves" one more time, I'd throw something at the wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    I think it's either focal plane or leaf shutter. AFAIK the Sony sensor can't do fully electronic shutter. Or am I wrong? It might be an updated sensor though with some new features... but I doubt it, except possibly a CFA mod for autofocus.
    I'd be cool if the lenses had leaf shutters in them, it would definitely put the camera in a unique position.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What happened? The new cam isn't a medium format system?
    Depends on whether or not you consider the Leica S a medium format camera... It's becoming somewhat irrelevant to shoehorn cameras in as being a "crop" or "full-frame" equivalent of film, when a system might use a unique format with lenses designed around that format. It's really only still around so that we can guess focal length equivalency between formats more easily.

    Sensor size is hardly indicative of actual performance, so you simply have to rely on the facts, and the fact is that the Sony 33x44 sensor is arguably more than 99% of photographers can truly make use of. Would there really be more value in having used a larger sensor? There's a lot of stuff they can still work into this format as it is, like IBIS. Going bigger might just hurt usability by upping the lens size requirements and such.

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    And there goes the camera out of the window for me. Won't get a new lensline up and looks like no way to use Phase lenses.

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    30mm lens coming for Photokina...

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Quote Originally Posted by miska View Post
    30mm lens coming for Photokina...
    Didn't he say 35 ? ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Didn't he say 35 ? ^^
    I heard 30, but perhaps I'm wrong. On the other hand, he made a comment that it was the same focal lengths as the X-pan had, so perhaps it is indeed 30mm.

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Smaller than I expected. Looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Didn't he say 35 ? ^^
    Nope, 30mm.

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    I was impressed. What many of us have been waiting for. 725 g weight. Nice. Loved the screen and scrolling for the most immediate, important items.
    Adapter for HC lenses. Not too keen on the EVF - time will tell, might be a deal-breaker for many. The Leica SL EVF is state of the art at the moment, it will have to be equivalent or better (preferably better). I'm sure they'll sell a bunch of them due to size and portability more than anything else. Feedback from some of the big name shooters should be most revealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cerett View Post
    Nope, 30mm.
    Great and it's for me a sad moment afterall. I hoped for more, especially third party support. Well, I already know I won't spent 15k on such a camera with two lenses. Now let's wait for Sony and what else is happening at Photokina.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera and right for lot's of people, I'm just not one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    I was impressed. What many of us have been waiting for. 725 g weight. Nice. Loved the screen and scrolling for the most immediate, important items.
    Adapter for HC lenses. Not too keen on the EVF - time will tell, might be a deal-breaker for many. The Leica SL EVF is state of the art at the moment, it will have to be equivalent or better. I'm sure they'll sell a bunch of them due to size and portability more than anything else. Feedback from some of the big name shooters should be most revealing.


    From the specs I would say no way it will be better. Leica SL SXAG, 4.4 MP - X1D 2.36MP XGA Electronic Viewfinder

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Are the full specs available? Is there a focal plane shutter?

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    Great to see Hasselblad clearly back in the picture! Glad I stayed with them over the years. Perhaps now, finally, no more Lunar (Lunacy) comments.
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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Are the full specs available? Is there a focal plane shutter?
    As far as I can say NO, only Leaf Shutter.

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    great camera !
    but i will get the cfv-50c for felxibility - i have to use tilt shift options - using a tech camera is the way i go
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    hm, not one word about AF, strange..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Great and it's for me a sad moment afterall. I hoped for more, especially third party support. Well, I already know I won't spent 15k on such a camera with two lenses. Now let's wait for Sony and what else is happening at Photokina.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera and right for lot's of people, I'm just not one of them.
    I was right about the guess that it would be leaf shutter, unfortunately so... a focal plane shutter would make it much more versatile for combining with third-party stuff, so it won't work as a A7r drop-in replacement.

    However, while I think it will disappoint many people on forums like this, I'm not sure if it was the wrong thing to do. I think the regular user won't mind a leaf shutter and limited third party compatibility. In fact if you're only going to use Hassy stuff anyway, a leaf shutter is preferred.

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    Sensor type : CMOS, 50 megapixels (8272 × 6200 pixels, 5.3 × 5.3 μm)
    Sensor dimensions : 43.8 × 32.9mm
    Image size : Stills: RAW 3FR capture 65MB on average. TIFF 8 bit: 154MB; Video: HD (1920 x 1080p)
    File format : Stills: Lossless compressed Hasselblad 3FR RAW + JPEG /Video: H.264 Compressed (25 fps)
    Shooting mode : Single shot stills, Video
    Colour definition : 16 bit; Dynamic range up to 14 stops
    ISO speed range : ISO 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 & 25600
    Storage options : Dual SD card slots
    Colour management : Hasselblad Natural Colour Solution
    Storage capacity : 16GB card holds 240 images on average
    Capture rate : 1.7 - 2.3 frames per second
    Display : 3.0 inch TFT type, 24 bit colour, 920K pixels;
    Touch functionality : Yes, full support Live View: On camera, host and iOS device with high frame rate (30 fps)
    Histogram feedback : Yes (on rear display)
    IR filter : Mounted in front of sensor
    Acoustic feedback : Yes
    Software : Phocus for Mac and Windows. Compatible with Adobe Photoshop Lightroom® and Adobe Camera Raw®
    Platform support : Macintosh: OSX version 10.10; PC: Windows 7 / 8 / 10 (64 bit only)
    Host connection type : USB 3.0 (5 Gbit/s) Type-C connector
    Additional connections : Mini HDMI, Audio In/Out
    Operating temperature : - 10 ̊C to + 45 ̊C / 14 – 113 ̊F
    Wi-Fi & GPS : 802.11a, b, g, n, ac (depending on region)
    Dimensions : Camera Body only: 150 x 98 x 71 mm
    Weight : 725g (Camera Body and Li-ion battery)
    Camera type : Mirrorless Large Sensor Medium Format
    Lenses : Hasselblad XCD lenses with integral lens shutter
    Shutter speed range : 60 minutes to 1/2000 sec with XCD Lenses
    Flash sync speed : Flash can be used at all shutter speeds
    Viewfinder : 2.36MP XGA Electronic Viewfinder
    Focusing : Autofocus metering via contrast detection; Instant manual focus override
    Flash control : Automatic TTL centre weighted system. Nikon™ compatible hotshoe . Output can be adjusted from -3.0 to +3.0 EV
    Exposure metering : Spot, Centre Weighted and CentreSpot
    Power supply : Rechargeable Li-ion battery (7.2 VDC/3200 mAh)


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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Congratulations to Hasselblad. For this camera and getting back to what and who they are.

    Were I in the thick of doing work for pay like just a few years ago, I'd be on this in a New York heartbeat.

    Most any H shooter has to be considering this as a supplement since they can use existing H lenses on it.

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    The launch and website are pretty slim on good information, i.e. autofocus and weather sealing, if any. Looks like a good camera, but it's got a lot to live up to if it's to equal my trusty old Mamiya 7ii as the best MF (film) camera for reportage / documentary work, etc. I hope to hear good user reports soon!

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    For anyone currently using HBs H system, this looks like a great addition. If I was buying a MF DSLR, then the option of being able to easily mount my lenses on this MF mirrorless body would push me towards HB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    ...looks like no way to use Phase lenses.
    With an adapter the LS lenses should work, no ?

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    P.S. I like the LS option - makes the body shallower and more suitable for using as a 'digital back' - but obviously, with no FPS it means that lenses such as the Canon EF range can't easily be adapted. That said, if there's enough room maybe someone can create an adapter with a built in shutter (I know, unlikely). Alternatively, a shutter could be mounted to the front of a lens (e.g. Packard).

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    I might have one soon for trial so I cross my fingers to not having it by the end of the year. I think this one, at this price (7900€) kill the leica and the Pentax. Fuji might jump with an even cheaper product (probably fixed lens).
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    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    P.S. I like the LS option - makes the body shallower and more suitable for using as a 'digital back' - but obviously, with no FPS it means that lenses such as the Canon EF range can't easily be adapted. That said, if there's enough room maybe someone can create an adapter with a built in shutter (I know, unlikely). Alternatively, a shutter could be mounted to the front of a lens (e.g. Packard).
    With the CFV-50c at only $1k more it seems a more reasonable option for view camera / third party lens stuff when you don't get a focal plane shutter anyway with the X1D.

    But indeed, although no FPS seems to be the big disappointment on the forums where odd body/lens combinations are common I think leaf shutter will serve the major market well. After all, if you have the right lenses, leaf shutters are preferable.

    I'm a bit worried that this new camera series will mean the end to the CFV backs, but we'll see....

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    I understand why they have pitched the price where they have, but I still think it's too high. Fuji (or Sony) will significantly undercut them at Photokina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    I understand why they have pitched the price where they have, but I still think it's too high. Fuji (or Sony) will significantly undercut them at Photokina.
    I think there's is some Leica-factor to the brand so it's okay for them to be a bit expensive. As long as it's a good solid product that's really Hasselblad and not some rebranded crap, and this product is exactly that - a good solid Hasselblad product from the ground and up. I think the price point is just about right, expensive but not silly expensive.

    Sure I would like a lower price if I would buy it for myself, but putting myself into Hasselblad shoes I would myself chosen a price point at that level, it seems like good judgment unlike the previous leadership with the Lunar disaster...

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    I'm a bit worried that this new camera series will mean the end to the CFV backs, but we'll see....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme.E View Post
    Torger,
    I was confirmed by an Hasselblad rep...CFV would be soon discontinued.
    Sad but expected. CFV-50c is thus probably the last affordable digital back for some time to come... a great option for tech cams for users that can live with the wide angle movement limitations.

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    A personal Question: Who will be the consumers.... Landscape Photographers, Commercial Photographers,.....?
    Okay great danamic Range is nice to have but a lot of people will want to have 50MP.
    For most of my work 25MP are too much (maybe i have the wrong clients)

    I don´t want to have a such a camera for Street photography or in generall for the "Quick" Photography - therefore 50MP are too much.

    I always liked to have something in my hand ;-) Setting the complicated equipment up - Give the Client a show ;-) (even with the TSE Lenses from Canon)
    Sorry for that but I love to impress also my clients with big cameras ;-)
    (Remembering the last Client when i was working with my 5DIII - Ah - You work with such a Camera - I bought it also my daughter last christmas....)

    By the way - This is a great Cam!
    But I´m not sure if it is the right Equipment for Commercial-assignments/Commercial Photographers.
    And for the quick photos, for the normal People it will be too much.

    But maybe i have missinterpreted something; sorry for that.
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    It's a leaf shutter maximum is 1/2000 with full sync right to it
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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    No focal plane is a big disappointment at least for me !
    Using third party TS lens (Canon) or other MF lens would have been so nice. Plus 1/2000s Leaf shutter for my portrait work...best of both world for a "kind" of limited budget.

    A "may be" Actus DB adapter seems to be the only way to go for TS stuff. Wait and see.

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    It is a niche camera indeed, but I think the niche is quite large. Actually I think more people will think that 50MP is a bit low rather than unnecessarily high. The thing is that the megapixel race is far from over, and 135 is already at 50MP with the 5Ds.

    Low pixel count medium format gear simply doesn't sell. Each time I see the reaction to a new resolution king, like the IQ180 once was and now recently the IQ3 100MP, it's so very obvious that resolution is very important to sell medium format gear. Even if it's not strictly needed for your work, people need to feel that they have distanced themselves to the 135 format.
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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    On the plus side, without the FPS the camera is much simpler - the only moving parts will be the buttons, dials and battery door.

    I wonder what the ICs of the new lenses are ? Since it can accept H lenses, I can see this as a platform for the 100MP chip ~18 - 24 months from now (assuming the bigger sensor will fit).

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    AF speed is now all I need to know before purchase.

    For those Saying Sony / Fuji have one coming. Do they? This has a Sony sensor but nothing to do with Fuji whatsoever. You could be waiting a while.

    I'd of liked it to be focal plane too but hey, nothing wrong with Hasselblad glass and used HC lenses are very good value.
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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    It's still up in the air on Fuji, but if was to bet, they will have a product at kina. There has been way too much "leaked" info.

    You can be assured, it will have a FPS and an electronic, more than likely PDAF, and a few more modern features.

    Check out Fujirumors.com, they have a lot of material on this camera. BTW, the owner of the site, is usually 95 to 97 percent correct, it's not as much a rumor site as a "preannouncement" site.

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    361 Zimbabwean dollars says Fuji has one at Photokina.
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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    If anything will annoy me it's if the adaptor for the HC glass is in the hundreds of bucks. I might not actually buy into the system if that's the case as initially at least I'll be relying on HC glass.

    There's an 80mm 2.8 and 100 2.2 with my name all over it.

    I mean can you imagine how frickin' sexy that 2.2 will look.
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    IQ-wise, with the 35-90mm, it would be pretty sweet.
    A bit front heavy though

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    If anything will annoy me it's if the adaptor for the HC glass is in the hundreds of bucks. I might not actually buy into the system if that's the case as initially at least I'll be relying on HC glass.

    There's an 80mm 2.8 with my name all over it.
    I've red 290€ on a french site.
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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    I might have one soon for trial so I cross my fingers to not having it by the end of the year. I think this one, at this price (7900€) kill the leica and the Pentax.
    Leica for sure. Pentax prices might drop quite a bit though.

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    Hmm, having had a play around with the image of the front of the X1D in P/S, I don't see any way the 100MP sensor (at least not one that's 53 x 40) would work with H lenses mounted via an adapter.

    Since the H adapter will move the lens further away from the sensor, the current 100MP sensor would be obscured behind the bayonet on the body.

    I guess the 100MP sensor is reserved for the H6D line.
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    This would be a great replacement for Pentax and Leica (to get rid of the weight).

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    Re: Big Hasselblad anouncement on the 22nd.

    Any thoughts as to whether or not CF lenses would be compatible with an adapter? Would the existing CF Adapter work on top of the H Adapter? Not ideal perhaps but I have a lot of CF/CFE lenses which might come in useful with this from time to time - as they do with my H camera.

    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    Hmm, having had a play around with the image of the front of the X1D in P/S, I'm don't see any way the 100MP sensor (at least not one that's 53 x 40) would work with H lenses mounted via an adapter.

    Since the H adapter will move the lens further away from the sensor, the current 100MP sensor would be obscured behind the bayonet on the body.

    I guess the 100MP sensor is reserved for the H6D line.

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