bensonga
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I could be mistaken, but from what I read, it seems that the GH2 was the last one with an over sized sensor allowing for this feature.
Gary
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What Hasselblad *won't* be announcing on the 22nd. (Cross-Posted)
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richardman
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Actually, the BEST use of the X-Pan is not landscape. That belongs to 617 and stitch panoramic. The best use of XPan is documentary. On the hands of masters, you get the immersive experience that is not possible otherwise.
AreBee
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richardman,
Bob,
Previously, the best images of Jupiter were taken by NASA's two Voyager spacecraft, which flew past the planet in 1979. JunoCam's field of view is much wider than that of Voyager's narrow-angle camera. This means every JunoCam image is a kind of panorama, and its highest-resolution images will show wide swath[e]s of clouds.
Tell that to Leica, which has sensors fabricated to its specification.
Bob,
Tell that to NASA:
Previously, the best images of Jupiter were taken by NASA's two Voyager spacecraft, which flew past the planet in 1979. JunoCam's field of view is much wider than that of Voyager's narrow-angle camera. This means every JunoCam image is a kind of panorama, and its highest-resolution images will show wide swath[e]s of clouds.
Only those unable to overcome nostalgia.
Tell that to Hasselblad, Phase One etc.
richardman
Well-known member
I see you like to tell people to tell other companies what to do 
I do in fact have one of the earliest M9, so I know a little about Leica. I also know a bit about sensor business and all, but whatever. Let's all have pleasant dreams.
I do in fact have one of the earliest M9, so I know a little about Leica. I also know a bit about sensor business and all, but whatever. Let's all have pleasant dreams.
AreBee
Member
That would be one interpretation.
BlinkingEye
New member
I am going to suggest your statement is inaccurate, Bob.
There are times when one shot and done is needed,,,,moving clouds.......moving water........moving people, cars....moving trees.......smoke. I think you get the point.
Of course I do ... I have done maybe two panoramas in my life ...
But I do not hold out any hope that a manufacturer will produce any wide format chip ... that ship sailed a long time ago.
Regards,
Bob
PeterA
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[url=https://flic.kr/p/6gALRe]
Untitled by Peetey, on Flickr[/URL]http://[url=https://flic.kr/p/5WGrKy]
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Untitled by Peetey, on Flickr
.. by Peetey, on Flickryou get a flat field of view - very different to using a wide and the panorama format allows for different' cropping capabilities .
It is difficult to replicate the XPan look with a cropped lens from other formats panoramic perspective when used up close to subject matter doesn't have the cropped tele look that merely cropping delivers- because you don't have the tele-photo perspective.
The further 'away' one gets from the subject matter- the less these differences come into play - so a cropped panorama using a high resolution digital back works for landscapes - however as you say you cant replicate the XPan's strengths up close and personal with normal cropping very easily. The reason why I still keep a full XPan11 system in my kit - a pity I am too lazy to develop film much these days - because the XPan has always been by far my favourite camera system.
we wont get a digital XPan - but some clever company might actually incorporate an in camera XPan cropping mode with EVF framing to help - and then we wont have the magnificent XPan lenses from Fuji - which is another story.
iiiNelson
Well-known member
Hasselblad is incorporating a 44mm x 16mm "XPan crop mode" into the X1D.Untitled by Peetey, on Flickr
http://ESt by Peetey, on Flickr
you get a flat field of view - very different to using a wide and the panorama format allows for different' cropping capabilities .
It is difficult to replicate the XPan look with a cropped lens from other formats panoramic perspective when used up close to subject matter doesn't have the cropped tele look that merely cropping delivers- because you don't have the tele-photo perspective.
The further 'away' one gets from the subject matter- the less these differences come into play - so a cropped panorama using a high resolution digital back works for landscapes - however as you say you cant replicate the XPan's strengths up close and personal with normal cropping very easily. The reason why I still keep a full XPan11 system in my kit - a pity I am too lazy to develop film much these days - because the XPan has always been by far my favourite camera system.
we wont get a digital XPan - but some clever company might actually incorporate an in camera XPan cropping mode with EVF framing to help - and then we wont have the magnificent XPan lenses from Fuji - which is another story.
richardman
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PeterA, those photos illustrate my point perfectly. The most amazing XPan docu photos I have seen are from Ben Rusnak when he was doing work for a charity organization in Haiti. It takes your breath away.
http://www.benjaminrusnak.com/1246520-23
http://www.benjaminrusnak.com/1246520-23
Incredible images!!! Thanks for link.
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
You folks are encouraging me to take out the xpan II outfit this weekend. Looking forward to seeing the X1D tomorrow in person and it's crop modes too.
MomentsForZen
New member
Thank-you PeterA and richardman for the example photographs and link for more photographs taken with an Xpan camera. This is the first time that I have seen photographs from this camera - so flat and wide (as was expressed by PeterA) - not at all like a wide angle lens. And very even lighting.
... MomentsForZen (Richard)
... MomentsForZen (Richard)Professional
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I like panos very much since i started to do so when i bought TS Canon lenses, then i was thinking to buy 617 film camera either dedicated or a film back to 4x5 camera, but i forgot that i bought an adapter kit to use panoramic shots on my Mamiya 7II that doesn't work at all, i checked out the specifications of this pano kit size and it shows that it has exactly same size of X-Pan, so i don't need to buy XPan though, but i have to fix my Mamiya first.
I also have RRS panoramic kit that i used before in US with my Hasselblad but didn't work with photos to see the results, but nowadays i am happy to use TS lenses on my A7r, and one day when i can upgrade to better bodies then i will shoot more.
Here is a pano i did first times from TS lens
I also have RRS panoramic kit that i used before in US with my Hasselblad but didn't work with photos to see the results, but nowadays i am happy to use TS lenses on my A7r, and one day when i can upgrade to better bodies then i will shoot more.
Here is a pano i did first times from TS lens
MGrayson
Subscriber and Workshop Member
Gentlemen,
Forgive my ignorance. In what way can an XPan be different from a cropped WA lens? I thought it WAS a cropped WA lens, and the sense of less distortion comes from the cropping of the corners where most of the WA distortion is evident.
Is it actually a more cylindrical projection without the use of a curved film plane? What distortions are induced in the lens so that it can deviate from a planar projection? How would the lens perform on 645 film?
Confused,
Matt
Forgive my ignorance. In what way can an XPan be different from a cropped WA lens? I thought it WAS a cropped WA lens, and the sense of less distortion comes from the cropping of the corners where most of the WA distortion is evident.
Is it actually a more cylindrical projection without the use of a curved film plane? What distortions are induced in the lens so that it can deviate from a planar projection? How would the lens perform on 645 film?
Confused,
Matt
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Vivek
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Matt, Good questions! AFAIK, these lenses have not been used on a large sensor to determine that and with the lack of a focal plane shutter in the upcoming XT1, it is not practical.MGrayson said:
Perhaps the Fuji cam will come with an FPS and the old X-Pan or TX1 lenses will then be usable on it.
Godfrey
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Wonderful photos, both these and the ones displayed in previous posts on this thread! Thank you for posting the link, Richard.
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GrahamWelland
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There's no magic about the XPan lenses other than they are designed to cover a larger than 24x32mm image circle (24 X 65 mm).
I have the entire 30/45/90 combo and other than being extremely sharp I haven't noticed any special pixie dust magic about the edges of the frame beyond flat field projection and lack of distortion.
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