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    Thanks for the write up. Seems like a good baseline to start with in mirrorless MF cameras. I'd like to see how this compares to the Fuji once both are released and I'd also like to see how mirrorless MF develops/matures. This seems to be an area where I think mirrorless may surpass MF DSLR since they aren't know for their speed or features.
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    Yes, and very occasionally we call her Howlston! But lucky for us she only howls 3/4 times a year! She's a beagle/English bulldog mix.
    " Howlston"...love it! Expect her to howl more each time with delight, when you take her pic with the X1D. You know you could have called her Madison .

    One thing that I found with the X1D that was a bit perplexing, was how various menu choices resulted in slowing down the camera in a number of unexpected ways...such as whether to write Raw only or Raw/joegs (which you mentioned Josh) and other optional setting which I noted at the time using a demo.

    Its as though Hasselblad was a bit rushed with firmware development/revisions and decided to get the camera out now rather than wait and develop it further and subsequently address these issues in further updates after release. Not a major problem but it may explain the delays.

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    Yeah, we can't know the decision making process in implementing the settings in the current firmware. But if the choice was between faster raws or faster jpgs, I'm glad they chose the faster raws. My guess is that there will be another firmware update in the next couple weeks that will fix all of these little things.

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    Yeah, we can't know the decision making process in implementing the settings in the current firmware. But if the choice was between faster raws or faster jpgs, I'm glad they chose the faster raws. My guess is that there will be another firmware update in the next couple weeks that will fix all of these little things.
    Yes agree there will be a # of firmware updates in near future that will address operational speed and functionality. That seems to be the norm these days

    As I alluded tp in an earlier post today, the readout speed in this generation 1 Sony 50mp cropped MF sensor, may be a limiting factor in address speed effeciency in a number of operational processes including the choice of EVF in this new generation mirrorless MFD bodies.

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    Thanks for the write up. Seems like a good baseline to start with in mirrorless MF cameras. I'd like to see how this compares to the Fuji once both are released and I'd also like to see how mirrorless MF develops/matures. This seems to be an area where I think mirrorless may surpass MF DSLR since they aren't know for their speed or features.
    One thing MF DSLRs ARE known for are the huge, beautiful optical viewfinders in cameras like the H series and the XF. Composing images through those viewfinders is a sight to behold. The EVF in the X1D sounds like it is "ok." A big hurdle to overcome in the next generation of the X1D and the Fuji GFX will be to close the gap between the OVF and the EVFs. For whatever reason, they did not incorporate even today's state of the art EVF like you find in the Leica SL. Nobody seems to know if that was an issue of exclusivity for that EVF to Leica, a power management issue, or a sensor readout issue. I seriously doubt that it was a cost issue.
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    One thing MF DSLRs ARE known for are the huge, beautiful optical viewfinders in cameras like the H series and the XF. Composing images through those viewfinders is a sight to behold. The EVF in the X1D sounds like it is "ok." A big hurdle to overcome in the next generation of the X1D and the Fuji GFX will be to close the gap between the OVF and the EVFs. For whatever reason, they did not incorporate even today's state of the art EVF like you find in the Leica SL. Nobody seems to know if that was an issue of exclusivity for that EVF to Leica, a power management issue, or a sensor readout issue. I seriously doubt that it was a cost issue.
    My guess would be an exclusivity issue versus a readout issue.

    I think the readout would affect the maximum frame rate and I believe that I read the Fuji will run around 60fps (while something closer to 90fps is ideal for most applications.) The Fuji is supposed to be using the 3.69 million dot EVF that sounds a lot like the one that's in the Leica Q. Consequently the Panasonic GH5 looks like it'll use that EVF as well. I wonder if Leica had a 12-18 months of exclusive rights to these EVF's. We may know the answer if the Generation 3 Sony A7/A9 series uses these 3.69 or 4.4 million dot EVF's in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    My guess would be an exclusivity issue versus a readout issue.

    I think the readout would affect the maximum frame rate and I believe that I read the Fuji will run around 60fps (while something closer to 90fps is ideal for most applications.) The Fuji is supposed to be using the 3.69 million dot EVF that sounds a lot like the one that's in the Leica Q. Consequently the Panasonic GH5 looks like it'll use that EVF as well. I wonder if Leica had a 12-18 months of exclusive rights to these EVF's. We may know the answer if the Generation 3 Sony A7/A9 series uses these 3.69 or 4.4 million dot EVF's in them.
    Hard to believe that the sales volume of Leica SLs would allow Leica to order enough of those EVFs from Epson (?) to be able to obtain exclusivity for an extended period.

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    Wow, the "Osbourne Syndrome". Boy does that bring back memories. Can you imagine trying to download X1D files onto an Osbourne I?

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    Wow! Does the Osbourne 1 bring back memories The first 'portable computer' only weighing 10kg's. This was one of my first computers in the early '80's. One floppy for CP/M and I guess 160 more disks for 1 file.

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    Very pleased to read that shipments to customers appear to be starting in ernest.

    With respect to weatherproofing, I shall recall a comment from several hundred messages back in this thread ... That I would be convinced that the ports and other potential openings were weathersealed as long as I could see weathersealing on a more obvious opening. The Hasselblad engineers would be well aware that weatherproofing is only as good as the weakest seal. It would be pointless to seal one opening and leave another unsealed. Hence, if the lens-to-body interface is weathersealed, I would be pretty confident that the same level of sealing (or better) was present on all other openings.

    With respect to the "revolutionary" nature of the X1D (and GFX) ... I see the sensor-aspect of the X1D as an incremental step along the path for cameras to have larger sensors. I would admit to disliking the term "medium format" for the Sony 44mm x 33mm sensor. I would reserve "medium format" for a considerably larger sensor. I think of the Sony 44mm x 33mm sensor as being "super-full-frame" or similar name, and that it is just another option from 1", to micro 4/3rds, to APS-C, to FF, to Super-FF. The X1D may have other revolutionary aspects, but i think that the sensor is evolutionary.

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    This system is in its' infancy. We don't know the eventual lens line-up including a Macro optic, or whether extension tubes will be offered. If the initial kit is successful in market you can be sure Hasselblad will take advantage of the opportunity to design and sell more native lenses.

    It was years before Leica offered the S-100/2 ... so for a lot of portrait work and shallow DOF images, I used the Hasselblad HC-100/2.2 with the Leica H to S adapter until I secured the S-100/2. The HC Extension tubes also worked with the HC- 100/2.2. If I were getting this kit with portraits in mind, I'd seriously consider the HC-100/2.2 which is not a large, bulky lens considering the f/2.2 max aperture.

    However, while not optimal, 90/3.2 seems workable for most portrait work if you like the eyes and nose in focus

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    My guess would be an exclusivity issue versus a readout issue.

    I think the readout would affect the maximum frame rate and I believe that I read the Fuji will run around 60fps (while something closer to 90fps is ideal for most applications.) The Fuji is supposed to be using the 3.69 million dot EVF that sounds a lot like the one that's in the Leica Q. Consequently the Panasonic GH5 looks like it'll use that EVF as well. I wonder if Leica had a 12-18 months of exclusive rights to these EVF's. We may know the answer if the Generation 3 Sony A7/A9 series uses these 3.69 or 4.4 million dot EVF's in them.
    Keep in mind that it still could have been a readout speed issue since the Leica SL uses a smaller sized sensor which probabaly has a greater readout speed than the 50mp Sony MF one used in the X1D. In the case of the Fuji GFX, it may be that they were later along in the development path than the Hassy X1D and may be using a modified Sony sensor where readout speed was increased and they were able to take advantage of it.

    Alternatively they may have been working with and willing to pay additional costs to Sony to modify their 50mp sensor for this very reason. I recall Fuji saying the sensor they would be using was custom or something to that effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustbak View Post
    Wow! Does the Osbourne 1 bring back memories The first 'portable computer' only weighing 10kg's. This was one of my first computers in the early '80's. One floppy for CP/M and I guess 160 more disks for 1 file.
    Yes but then again I don't think Osbourne was planning for people to download X1D sized files to it either...LOL...or he definitely would have also gone into the computer storage business (read: floppys) .

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    This system is in its' infancy. We don't know the eventual lens line-up including a Macro optic, or whether extension tubes will be offered. If the initial kit is successful in market you can be sure Hasselblad will take advantage of the opportunity to design and sell more native lenses.

    It was years before Leica offered the S-100/2 ... so for a lot of portrait work and shallow DOF images, I used the Hasselblad HC-100/2.2 with the Leica H to S adapter until I secured the S-100/2. The HC Extension tubes also worked with the HC- 100/2.2. If I were getting this kit with portraits in mind, I'd seriously consider the HC-100/2.2 which is not a large, bulky lens considering the f/2.2 max aperture.

    However, while not optimal, 90/3.2 seems workable for most portrait work if you like the eyes and nose in focus

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    Yes, I also believe the 90mm at 3.2 will give a beautiful bokeh/separation.
    while its not comparable to an 85m Otus at 1.4, it will be still pretty nice
    Here are two sample from Ming Thein that show that

    X1D3-B0000846bw copy by Ming Thein, su Flickr


    X1D3-B0000878bw copy by Ming Thein, su Flickr

    Personally, If Hasselblad won't add any other portrait focal before summer, I may buy the adapter and get the 150mm 3.2 (probably 2nd hand)
    I had the Pentax 645Z for half a year and I have got some of the most beautiful portrait compression/bokeh rendering with their 150mm and i believe we should get pretty much the same from the HC

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Keep in mind that it still could have been a readout speed issue since the Leica SL uses a smaller sized sensor which probabaly has a greater readout speed than the 50mp Sony MF one used in the X1D. In the case of the Fuji GFX, it may be that they were later along in the development path than the Hassy X1D and may be using a modified Sony sensor where readout speed was increased and they were able to take advantage of it.

    Alternatively they may have been working with and willing to pay additional costs to Sony to modify their 50mp sensor for this very reason. I recall Fuji saying the sensor they would be using was custom or something to that effect.

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    Perhaps but then technically EVERY sensor is custom to each OEM's specs even when using a baseline chipset. Maybe Fuji is using a faster processor in the pipeline like they do with the XT2/Xpro2 to allow additional features over other cameras.
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    I'll try and do a wrap up of my weekend with the demo camera from the dealer. I've tried to take my time with the camera to give you all an unbiased view of the X1D. But I want to love this camera, so there may be a little bias in there. I'll give you a little background on what I expect to use it for and how it fits in with the other gear I have. For the past two years, I have not been shooting a lot of what I will be using this for. I've been working on a finishing a documentary film that I started 10 years ago about a baseball player that had a kidney transplant. It's been a special project and as we wrap up the post-production and look towards a release in April 2017, I will get back to shooting more. You can see the trailer for that here, https://vimeo.com/146931053. For the most part I will primarily be using it for portrait and beauty photography. Especially outside on location and when I travel. I have the Hassy H4X and IQ140, 100 2.2, 35-90, 1.7x, etc. that I have been using for most of that work. I love it, the true focus is amazing and in my opinion a must with only one focus point. But the whole setup is heavy and it's a CCD sensor, which in the studio is great, but it doesn't shoot well at the higher ISO's. My hit rate with the True focus is extremely high, most accurate camera I have used. But again, the whole setup is a beast and after an entire day of shooting, I'm physically exhausted. I also have neck and shoulder issues, as I'm sure a lot of photographers do, so a smaller, lighter option, with the same quality, is huge for me. I have not shot with the XF, but I've heard that the AF is great. But the size and weight of the camera is even larger, so for that reason, it's not for me. They have made great improvements and functionality and for a lot of people those have key features and the XF allows Phase to implement future improvements, which is GREAT. I also can't justify upgrading to an IQ150/250/350 for the price, to me the cost is just too much. Especially when you compare it to the cost of the X1D with the same sensor and wifi. I realize that it's not an apples to apples spec/feature comparison, but again this is from my perspective only. Other people's needs will be different.

    I also have a Leica Q, which is more for fun and travel than work. This camera is a dream. Although, I can definitely use this as a behind the scenes camera and I could also see myself having this and the X1D together on a trip with a long lens on the X1D and the wide on the Leica Q. They'd both fit perfectly into my wife's purse!!!

    The other camera I use a ton is the Panasonic GH4. I shoot for some antique companies and while it's basic photography, it's steady money and the GH4 is great for that and the videos it produces are amazing quality. The stills while fine for the antiques aren't amazing for other photography. Hopefully the GH5 will improve on that end.

    I did seriously think about getting the SL, but the lenses were too big and as great a camera as I think it is, I'd rather have the X1D with a lens for the same price or less. I also got a Leica S 006 to try out and while it's a great camera as well, I can't justify having two CCD sensor cameras. Onto the X1D!


    While a lot of people will consider the phrase "Game Changer" marketing hype, I do think it is accurately used for this camera, when it's defined to the price point, size and weight of the camera. In my opinion, and it's a strong one on this topic, one of the main benefits of mirrorless cameras are the possibility of much reduced size and weight. My wife picked up the camera like it was no big deal and started taking pictures of our dog and then our friend took a few of us on new years. It's not this big, heavy, cumbersome, thing. It's an inviting camera to hold. This really can't be overstated enough. Because when traveling, it will be so much easier to take out all day, on hikes you will no longer be weighted down and exhausted form carrying around a heavy camera, huge lenses, and a heavy duty tripod. It has a trickle down effect of lightening everything you need. You could put this on a $10 mini tripod that they sell at the checkout at Adorama and it would support it, seriously I tried it last night.

    The other is the having an EVF, which allows you to zoom into the image, at 100% and make sure focus is 100% accurate when you are shooting handheld. I would love an option to zoom in at 75% as well. And there also needs to be a digital focus scale, with infinity on one side and macro on the other, so you know which way you are going. It's very confusing when it's zoomed in, I assume you would get used to it over time. But it's so close that I went back and forth a bit. I would also like to be able to zoom in and use the AF. That was not an option right now.

    (copied from previous post so it's all in one place)
    EVF- for me, I'm happy with it. It again, could be like the SL, but it's not. It's large and allows you to do what you need to do and is accurate in terms of exposure/focus accuracy. This is on the one that I have at least. We have to keep in mind that there could be slight variations between cameras, but I've tested another demo camera for 15 minutes and it seemed to be the same. I agree with his take that if you shoot with glasses that you may have a learning curve to figure out the best way to use the evf. I don't wear them and one of the benefits of the EVF/eyecup is that your eye is so deeply seated in it that you feel immersed in the viewfinder. You also fit your eye into it slightly on an angle. This is not something you would normally even notice, but this leads to the downside that if you need to wear glasses you can't get your eye in there far enough to have it on an angle, which leads to his comments about losing 1/8th of the viewfinder. I'm pretty sure he means horizontally and it's so large that it shouldn't affect you a lot. but I can see it being frustrating. I did shoot with sunglasses on, Oakleys, which do have a curve to the lens and I only lost about 3% of the viewfinder that way. So if your glass lenses are curved, it will be easier. It will heavily depend on each persons individual glasses. With all that being said, the eye cup is plastic and it does look like it should be able to be removed. I'm certainly not going to try icon the demo camera. But my guess is that there will be a pretty easy solution to this either directly from Hasselblad or from a third party or custom solution.

    I also tried it with gloves on. I didn't have any issues with any of the buttons or front or back wheels. The only thing that I can see being a little tricky is the pop up dial that changes the camera setting Modes, M, S, A, etc. With gloves it tends to want to be pushed back down, instead of turning. It still turned, but it's a little tricky.

    TTL seemed to work well with the SB-800 on the hotshoe. Just a note, if you turn the flash on in TTL before you turn the camera on, the flash will show an error message. If the camera is on, it works fine. I also tried it with the Profoto Air controller and Profoto B1 Air. It was a little inconsistent, BUT I probably need to update the firmware. I honestly have never used the flat that way, so some aperture changes it adjusted the strobe setting and sometimes it didn't. My guess is that since it worked with the Nikon flash with TTl this is a firmware issue with the Profoto transmitter, which again, I have never updated the firmware on. It sync'd fine and didn't misfire at all.

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    -If you scroll past 1/15th of a second towards longer exposures, you have the option of T, B, and at the very longest 1 hour 8 minutes.
    YOU DON'T GET A BLACK FRAME AFTER A LONG EXPOSURE

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    -The two lenses that I have to test, the 45 & 90 are both great. As I mentioned before I have a set of Hasselblad H lenses and accessories. So I plan on using this with those via the H/X adapter as well. That's why I tried the Leica S 006, because it took all my H lenses with the adapter. I still need to test the Hassy/X adapter when it comes out. I'm hoping the AF works well via the adapter, but I would be fine using my 100 2.2 in MF via the adapter if I had to. I may decide for the 30mm lens over the 45 if it doesn't have much distortion when shooting people full length. Because the 45 is just not wide enough when shooting any kind of cityscape of landscape. Ideally they come out with a zoom sometime in late 2017, but that may be wishful thinking. Or if the adapter works great with AF, I may get a used H 24 or 28 and go with the 45.

    Other notes:

    Another benefit of the small size is that this to many people may not look like a "professional camera" I've been stopped on Malibu beach before and asked if we had a permit with my other setup. This is so small, that I don't think that would happen or it would be easy to talk your way out of it.

    I'm still trying to figure out the best settings for the EVF when shooting IN STUDIO with strobes in terms of white balance. By studio, I'm assuming you are shooting at something like f/11 and 1/400 at ISO 100. And ambient is nothing near that. So if you had the exposure simulation (WYSIWYG) on, the EVF would be pitch black. It does lighten up to AF though. The GH4 has a great feature for this in that it recognizes there is a flash in the hotshoe, or flash transmitter, and gives you the correct preview white balance and exposure so you can see the image correctly in the EVF and then it also marks tthe white balance as flash on the RAW images. So this should be an easy firmware fix if they want to implement this. AND ONE I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND! Note, this is different that in TTL, where you are just filling in with the light, so I'd just leave the exposure simulation on in that case.

    One thing that I think Hasselblad should explore on this camera is an electronic shutter. I'm not sure why they have not been able to do that yet. I believe that Phase has it with the same sensor and I believe the GFX will have one. I think it would allow other lenses to be used and probably add more functionality to their own, although I'm not sure if I really need a higher shutter speed than 1/2000th. This would probably help other people out more than me, as I'm happily locked in to the Hassy ecosystem with the H & X lenses, but I always like people getting the most out of technology.

    The power up thing isn't an issue to me. The batteries are so light, that once it's on, you can have an extra or two and pretty much leave it on.

    Delay/Communication
    It's clear to me that Hasselblad did not intend to have this camera delayed this long. The lens comes with a certificate in the box that says to register your lens with your camera by December 31st, 2016 for an extra 1 year warranty. So they clearly expected us to get our cameras and lenses prior to the end of 2016. It's too bad that there wasn't a press release send out saying that they are working to make the camera perfect before it ships. Really that's all it would have taken. I'd rather them wait and have it to that point, than ship it before it's ready. With that said, after realizing that it's much faster shooting only Raw, I think it's very close to being production firmware. If you need to shoot jpg as well as RAW, as it is, it's on the fence of being usable for anything fast paced, that's not landscape or still life, in my opinion. It just takes too long to come back to take the next shot. My guess is that this will be fixed very quickly in the next firmware update. And I really need to confirm this on more than just one camera. It could be just mine, but I'm guessing it's not. I don't think it's a huge deal, most people don't buy a camera like this to shoot jpgs, but I did want to point out the plusses and minuses. It really seems like all the specs they listed on the site are there expect for the compressed RAW and writing to different cards.

    I guess my bottom line is that after having it for the weekend, if my dealer called me today and said hey, you camera is here, do you want to buy it? I'd say hell yes, and where's my X/H adapter?! For me it fits nicely in between what I have and adds a more functional (high ISO/EVF) and mobile camera that I can use with new and my existing lenses. It also has video that I didn't really get to test in depth. But my guess is that it will be decent. They do need to add focus peaking though. It's also in a platform that they can continue to upgrade via the firmware. So it will continue to keep getting better. I see that we have one shipping out today from B&H, which is great news! Interested to see if it's the same firmware as the current demos.

    Happy Shooting!
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    Thanks so much Josh!
    Thats all very useful to know

    May I ask how is the X1D EVF in comparison to the one of the Leica Q ? (Size,Resolution, color accuracy,ect.)

    Thank you!
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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Quote Originally Posted by MomentsForZen View Post
    Very pleased to read that shipments to customers appear to be starting in ernest.

    With respect to weatherproofing, I shall recall a comment from several hundred messages back in this thread ... That I would be convinced that the ports and other potential openings were weathersealed as long as I could see weathersealing on a more obvious opening. The Hasselblad engineers would be well aware that weatherproofing is only as good as the weakest seal. It would be pointless to seal one opening and leave another unsealed. Hence, if the lens-to-body interface is weathersealed, I would be pretty confident that the same level of sealing (or better) was present on all other openings.

    So far the best water sealed camera and new lenses was the 645Z.

    With respect to the "revolutionary" nature of the X1D (and GFX) ... I see the sensor-aspect of the X1D as an incremental step along the path for cameras to have larger sensors. I would admit to disliking the term "medium format" for the Sony 44mm x 33mm sensor. I would reserve "medium format" for a considerably larger sensor. I think of the Sony 44mm x 33mm sensor as being "super-full-frame" or similar name, and that it is just another option from 1", to micro 4/3rds, to APS-C, to FF, to Super-FF. The X1D may have other revolutionary aspects, but i think that the sensor is evolutionary.

    :-) ... MomentsForZen (Richard)
    If the 44x33 sensor is not MF then watch out what one might call the Leica S sensor.I would call the 44x33 a "cropped MF" and the S a "Super FF".
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    Quote Originally Posted by etto72 View Post
    Yes, I also believe the 90mm at 3.2 will give a beautiful bokeh/separation.
    while its not comparable to an 85m Otus at 1.4, it will be still pretty ...
    Remember that one of the fundamental reasons to pick 35mm format was that one could obtain enough DoF to make 'usefully sharp' photos while still using a large lens opening. With a 75-90 mm lens on 35mm, I don't find a lens opening much larger than f/4 to be particularly useful in portraiture... not enough DoF.

    The modern craze for ultra-razor-thin DoF is, to my eye, a real distraction in most of the photos I see with that. 'Good bokeh' is not "how much blur" but "the quality of the blur" ... With good bokeh, the background becomes pleasantly unsharp, not just a mush of indistinguishable shapes and forms, and doubling lines/hollow-circle effects are minimal.

    So far, I see nothing but lovely bokeh in all the sample images made with the X1D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    With good bokeh, the background becomes pleasantly unsharp, not just a mush of indistinguishable shapes and forms, and doubling lines/hollow-circle effects are minimal.

    So far, I see nothing but lovely bokeh in all the sample images made with the X1D.

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    I do some detail shots with my portraits (eye lashes etc) and it's for these type of shots I'm concerned. Most of the photos shown so far has had a fair bit of distance between the subject and background which won't be the case I'm worried about.

    It's possible that the portability Hasselblad is aiming for with the X1D and its lens lineup does not fit into some of my edge use cases for it. Maybe I could buy one of them H lenses or a Fuji GFX to accompany by X1D

    I wonder when they will announce the next couple of lenses for the X1D.

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    IT'S HERE!!!

    The family is finally together and looking to have a good time. Battery is charging and I'll share images and feedback as soon as possible. Hope others received their camera as well.

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    Thanks so much Josh!
    Thats all very useful to know

    May I ask how is the X1D EVF in comparison to the one of the Leica Q ? (Size,Resolution, color accuracy,ect.)

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    So I looked through all 3 last night, the X1D, the Q and the GH4. I think they are all very similar. The Q looks a little clearer when you zoom in to focus, but its such a wide frame otherwise that I can't really tell a difference. If there is a quality difference, I think we are taking maybe 10% less in terms of resolution. But the plus size is that I feel like the X1D's EVF is huge and immersive. As I mentioned before it's not the SL's EVF. But I'm happy with it.

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    IT'S HERE!!!

    The family is finally together and looking to have a good time. Battery is charging and I'll share images and feedback as soon as possible. Hope others received their camera as well.

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    Congrats Derek!!! Looking forward to seeing a shot comparison between the 30 & 45 lens. One request if you get a chance. If you have the opportunity to do a full length vertical shot of someone with the two lenses at some point, I'd love to see if there's perspective distortion with the 30. Nothing fancy.

    Happy Shooting!

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    Thanks Josh! Your commentary has been a big help in understand the behavior of the camera so I'm looking forward to getting out with it later today.

    I'll try to get the vertical shot to compare the two lenses.

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    How did you feel about the lenses and their relative slowness? You mentioned you would use it for portrait, which is what I want to use it for, but I am slightly concerned about achieving enough subject/background separation at the largest aperture on the 90mm (3.2).

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    Thanks Josh! Your commentary has been a big help in understand the behavior of the camera so I'm looking forward to getting out with it later today.

    I'll try to get the vertical shot to compare the two lenses.

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    Thanks Derek! Also, if you could do one horizontal from each of the same scene that would be awesome to see the coverage difference. That's all my requests...
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    Congratulations to Hasselblad (and those who purchased) on starting to ship the X1D! It can now be said a new era (mirrorless larger then 35mm digital cameras) has officially begun. It's a nascent category I expect to grow steadily in the coming years. It's pretty rare, really, for a new category of camera to be born, so I, for one, am having a whiskey in celebration tonight.
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    IT'S HERE!!!

    The family is finally together and looking to have a good time. Battery is charging and I'll share images and feedback as soon as possible. Hope others received their camera as well.

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    I'll echo the congrats Derek. A fine looking family.

    Three brief questions.

    1. I assume no internal GPS?

    2. Is there an option to reverse function of the two control wheels such as when they are used for controling shutter speed and apature or alternatively reversing which one scrolls through horizontal AF points and which one changes vertical points? I was unable to do this with the demo unit I tried a couple months ago.

    3. What firmware revision is on your camera?

    Thanks and enjoy. Oh I assume t the "H" on the lens caps stands for "Happy"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddanois View Post
    IT'S HERE!!!

    The family is finally together and looking to have a good time. Battery is charging and I'll share images and feedback as soon as possible. Hope others received their camera as well.

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    That's great news Derek. Congratulations. Since you were one of the first to order from B&H on June 22, I'm encouraged to hang in there and wait. As you begin to exercise your new system, please share with us any impressions you have about its performance, especially comparisons to other cameras you've owned (which as I recall, we "shared" ). I'm especially interested in AF performance as it would pertain to landscape and portrait photography (i.e., no subject movement). Also, did the camera come with an updated manual or a link to an online updated manual?

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    That's great news Derek. Congratulations. Since you were one of the first to order from B&H on June 22, I'm encouraged to hang in there and wait. As you begin to exercise your new system, please share with us any impressions you have about its performance, especially comparisons to other cameras you've owned (which as I recall, we "shared" ). I'm especially interested in AF performance as it would pertain to landscape and portrait photography (i.e., no subject movement). Also, did the camera come with an updated manual or a link to an online updated manual?

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    Quick reply on a couple of questions posed:

    1) The GPS question has been answered...there is a document in the box that needs to be filled out, and returned to the dealer, in order to receive the "external GPS module" free of charge.

    2) Same e-manual included on the usb stick that's on Hasselblad site

    Joe, I'll come back with the performance comparisons as soon as possible.

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    Thanks. Derek. Thats interesting about the GPS. I wonder when it will be made available. Looking forward to your subjective observations as I'm sure many are.

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    IT'S HERE!!!

    The family is finally together and looking to have a good time. Battery is charging and I'll share images and feedback as soon as possible. Hope others received their camera as well.

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    ...
    Excellent! It's good to see the X1D shipping and in customer hands. Enjoy it!

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    Mate, the X1D might be the closest thing in digital to my favourite camera of all time, the Mamiya 7ii. I'm interested to see how it performs. As image quality is beyond a doubt great, I'm particularly interested in how 'transparent' the camera is to use. By this I mean how much the technology receeds into the background. If you have to second guess focus often etc. , or the EVF is too laggy, then it might be a problem. So far though, this looks like the small format DMF camera body I've been waiting for. It's a bloody pitty I'm dirt poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddanois View Post
    Quick reply on a couple of questions posed:

    1) The GPS question has been answered...there is a document in the box that needs to be filled out, and returned to the dealer, in order to receive the "external GPS module" free of charge.

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    Interesting and VERY surprising. There is a story behind this, as everything I had read and heard indicated that the GPS was built into the camera body. For some reason, Hasselblad did not follow that path. To its credit, instead of telling customers too bad, there is no GPS capability at all in shipping cameras contrary to what we told you, Hasselblad is providing a free external module. Not ideal, but better than no GPS solution at all for those that want it. Personally, my experience with the GPS for the H series cameras was not good. It was a huge drain on battery power if I left it on, and I was not good about remembering to shut it down.
    Unclear where the module attaches to the camera. The one for the H cameras attached to an electrical port on the side of the camera, not the hot shoe. I had to file my RRS L bracket a bit to make the module fit with my L bracket in place.

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    Congratulations to Hasselblad (and those who purchased) on starting to ship the X1D! It can now be said a new era (mirrorless larger then 35mm digital cameras) has officially begun. It's a nascent category I expect to grow steadily in the coming years. It's pretty rare, really, for a new category of camera to be born, so I, for one, am having a whiskey in celebration tonight.
    Sometimes a compliment is just a compliment. Other times, well, you know, Phase One has a strict policy of not announcing products before they are ready to ship. SURE!

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    GetDPI isn't what it was.
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    You noticed!

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    Sadly, neither am I.
    But Joe, once you get that shipping notice from B&H you just might gain an inch or two in height.

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    LuLa just published that DJII has acquired Hasselblad, wonder if there will be an announcement at CES?

    https://luminous-landscape.com/hasselblad-acquired-dji/

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    Thinking I may not jump into the X1D until this is sorted ....

    And my preorder is close to being filled ....

    Whats that Fuji called ????


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    Ouch! If this is accurate, the past months of X1D rollout make a lot more sense.
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    It sounds so much an incredibly familiar story. Tumultuous times...

    But saying "this isn't the Hasselblad we used to know" is kind of making an ominous statement that, to me, is just such typical modern press hype. Everything is a big deal these days ... a tree falls down in a nearby town and the news is full of 40 second spots about it for two days. Sheesh.

    This hasn't been the Hasselblad we used to know for over a decade, since the H system was released and even before. Hasselblad has been struggling hard against the odds for a long long time. I'd rank them to be in about the same tight spot that Leica was in a decade ago, when it was unclear that a digital rangefinder would even be possible never mind successful, when going to a digital model in the R system proved that they simply couldn't afford it, when collusions and collaborations with Hermes and other funding sources made a lot of Leica owners uneasy and a lot of the press pointed fingers and laughed at them.

    With just a smidgeon of luck and a great deal of common sense, DJII acquired Hasselblad because they feel there's a solid business case behind the products that Hasselblad is trying to offer and want to fund that and participate in that success (that is: make a profit). It would serve their own best interests to be sure that Hasselblad is successful.

    Of course things will change ... they always do ... so there will be different things to observe as this business goes forward. The question is do they want to continue Hasselblad's core business or do they want to exploit the company's brand recognition to do something completely different. At which point, why buy a brand name if what you're going to produce isn't in line with what the brand name is famed for?

    As I said elsewhere, it's a new year and a time to hope, to hope in the face of adversity posed by the misery of the world situation, the US government crises, and the possibility that your favorite camera company has just sold its soul to be transformed into something else. Not hoping is akin to dying, so I choose to hope that the sensible thing is what DJII has in mind for Hasselblad.

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    I'm just a little shocked that there isn't at least one X1D on ebay at 2x price
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    ... the possibility that your favorite camera company has just sold its soul to be transformed into something else. Not hoping is akin to dying, so I choose to hope that the sensible thing is what DJII has in mind for Hasselblad.

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    I agree with what you have posted ... but any company based in China is a bit suspect in my view. Their government is one that can pivot on a dime ... and the principals of a company
    or a governmental department may be gone in a NY minute ... with no recourse with regards to law and process.

    I am at present immersed in Ha Jin's The Crazed ... I was ejected from China trying to transit to Nepal to do a humanitarian medical mission ... heart surgery ... with some 40 persons
    and a quarter million dollars worth of heart valve prosthesis ... but you know their take on Nepalese and their ethnic cleansing ....

    Please understand that all of the principals of DJI may be standup moral individuals ... the issue is that their country seems to be less so ...

    The saying ... "you pays your money and takes your chances" comes to mind.

    Personally, and this is not a political issue ... more a moral one ... cannot support the mother ship.

    JMHO....

    Rant over ... but am so disappointed in this development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Black View Post
    LuLa just published that DJII has acquired Hasselblad, wonder if there will be an announcement at CES?

    https://luminous-landscape.com/hasselblad-acquired-dji/
    I just heard from a third party supplier for the X1D that their product (and I will keep them anonymous) is waiting for Sweden to "approve the final prototype but don't have a 100% solid date for that". And were told "we are close to giving a final go-ahead on production" adding the anticipation is it will be before the end of this month.

    Certainly consistent with a major management shakeup if in fact the Chinese have taken control of Hasselblad. A bit scary but not going to cancel my order yet as I am a long time user/believer in Hasselblad; my 40+ year old 500C/M still looks and works like new.
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    They are now a majority shareholder according to Kevin's article. While this is troubling, it doesn't necessarily mean a huge change in direction. Here are some major iconic American companies whose major shareholders are Chinese:
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    Thinking I may not jump into the X1D until this is sorted ....

    And my preorder is close to being filled ....

    Whats that Fuji called ????


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    Money speaks volumes and many principals in our economy will sell to the highest bidder irrespective of the
    ultimate outcome ...

    Should be a minor issue for most buyers ... me not so much.

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    Its called the "alternative" . OK, OK, the GFX
    As long as it is not the X Trans ... undecodable processor ... Silky pix not so much
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    Think I may stay with my Leica M-D and Sony A7RII ... or migrate back to Phase ...

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