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    Thank you for the info Steve, I really appreciate it

    I placed my 4116 order at Adorama in November
    and I am still waiting
    It's really discouraging for me not to have a clear estimation.
    I was told a while ago by the Adorama rep. that I am in the top on their list but that they don't have a date... Apparently the buyer (is that you?)said that it will be soon!
    I wondering what you mean with the term "soon" ....days,weeks or months away??

    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveG View Post
    A bit of info for those in the US

    X1D, H6D-50c & H6D-100c are in stock at dealers nationwide
    H lenses, XCD 45 & XCD 90 should also be in stock nationwide, XCD 30's are shipping, but slowly
    4116 units should be shipping again very soon.

    I hope this helps answer a few questions on product availability.

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveG View Post
    A bit of info for those in the US

    X1D, H6D-50c & H6D-100c are in stock at dealers nationwide
    H lenses, XCD 45 & XCD 90 should also be in stock nationwide, XCD 30's are shipping, but slowly
    4116 units should be shipping again very soon.

    I hope this helps answer a few questions on product availability.
    Steve,

    It would be great to know approximately when the XH lens adapter and X1D batteries will be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANKER1 View Post
    Steve,

    It would be great to know approximately when the XH lens adapter and X1D batteries will be available.
    I wish I had a better answer for everyone on the XH Adapter, however I do not have any firm time frame to give you.

    Regarding batteries in the US- this week we shipped a very large number of batteries to the dealer channel in the US.
    I know that in my territory, every dealer that I have was sent batteries this week.

    I will try to keep you up to date on the XH Adapter as I receive additional information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etto72 View Post
    Thank you for the info Steve, I really appreciate it

    I placed my 4116 order at Adorama in November
    and I am still waiting
    It's really discouraging for me not to have a clear estimation.
    I was told a while ago by the Adorama rep. that I am in the top on their list but that they don't have a date... Apparently the buyer (is that you?)said that it will be soon!
    I wondering what you mean with the term "soon" ....days,weeks or months away??

    Thank you
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    Ettore
    Ettore,

    I am not a buyer, and cannot speak for what Adorama was told as they are not my dealer.

    I am told that we expect a small quantity of 4116 units this week in the US and that hopefully this will be the start of more "regular" deliveries on the 4116 model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveG View Post
    Ettore,

    I am not a buyer, and cannot speak for what Adorama was told as they are not my dealer.

    I am told that we expect a small quantity of 4116 units this week in the US and that hopefully this will be the start of more "regular" deliveries on the 4116 model.
    Thanks again for your reply! Really kind of you
    Any reason why the 4116 model shipments are so limited compared to the siver one?
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    I think a shipment of X1D batteries has just arrived state-side.

    Precision Camera in Austin, TX has 4 in stock at the moment. Call and ask for Sarah in their online sales department.

    Other dealers may have them as well.

    Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by rent View Post
    I think a shipment of X1D batteries has just arrived state-side.

    Precision Camera in Austin, TX has 4 in stock at the moment. Call and ask for Sarah in their online sales department.

    Other dealers may have them as well.

    Alex
    You must be right. Ace Photo in Virginia also has them in stock at the moment (Hasselblad H-3054752 Rechargeable Battery for X1D-50 - Ace Photo). I just ordered 2 No word yet on my other order of 2 from BH that I placed back in early Feb though. The Billingham bag for the X1D is also in stock in the US now, although it seems it's just a rebranded Billingham Hadley bag for a $100 upcharge. Now about that XH adapter.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rent View Post
    I think a shipment of X1D batteries has just arrived state-side.

    Precision Camera in Austin, TX has 4 in stock at the moment. Call and ask for Sarah in their online sales department.

    Other dealers may have them as well.

    Alex
    Thanks Alex
    Got 2 of them
    ....even tough I still waiting for my X1D 4116

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    So great: The camera that everyone waited so long for is finally out in many users hands, to lots of accolades, while some folks are still having difficulty getting one. And all you want to do is call "bullshit" on Hasselblad because B&H Photo happens to have a couple in stock.

    Sheesh.

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    Heck, I'd be happy with a reply to the demo request I made the day of the announcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sog1927 View Post
    Heck, I'd be happy with a reply to the demo request I made the day of the announcement.
    I'd email one of the Hasselblad reps directly (or contact a dealer directly if there's one in your area). If you're in the US, you can google "Hasselblad CPO", and at the bottom of the document there's contact info for various reps for various regions in the US. It appears that Hasselblad may have done some restructuring with their reps in the US (which would affect demos) because the rep I was in contact with at the time of the announcement is no longer listed as a rep on the CPO page and I have not heard from him in months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sog1927 View Post
    Heck, I'd be happy with a reply to the demo request I made the day of the announcement.
    I would be happy to help you with a demo on the X1D if you are in the US

    Feel free to call or email.

    -Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    I'd email one of the Hasselblad reps directly (or contact a dealer directly if there's one in your area). If you're in the US, you can google "Hasselblad CPO", and at the bottom of the document there's contact info for various reps for various regions in the US. It appears that Hasselblad may have done some restructuring with their reps in the US (which would affect demos) because the rep I was in contact with at the time of the announcement is no longer listed as a rep on the CPO page and I have not heard from him in months.
    We have restructured some of the US territories, feel free to reach out to me and I will put you in touch with the correct person for your geographic location.

    -Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveG View Post
    We have restructured some of the US territories, feel free to reach out to me and I will put you in touch with the correct person for your geographic location.

    -Steve
    Thanks Steve. BTW, welcome to the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rent View Post
    I think a shipment of X1D batteries has just arrived state-side.

    Precision Camera in Austin, TX has 4 in stock at the moment. Call and ask for Sarah in their online sales department.

    Other dealers may have them as well.

    Alex
    I also picked up two batteries from them. Thank you, Alex!

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    Quote Originally Posted by etto72 View Post
    I placed an order on the 4116 edition of the X1D as soon came up at Adorama and in their website it says that the camera will ship from Sweden on October 25th
    On B&H Photo it appears shipping on December 1st!!
    I have checked several interviews with Hasselblad rep. done at Photokina and they all say shipping in October
    Phocus 3.1 was just released and the user manual came up last week
    Does any of you got any further info?
    It drives me crazy not to know anything
    Thanks and cheers
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    Where is the X1D????


    Its here!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    I love this camera!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by etto72 View Post

    Where is the X1D????


    Its here!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Best to all
    Ettore
    Hi,

    I am glad that you got your camera.
    Can you imagine if Hasseblad has dilibered on time, long before the Fuji?
    They, likely, will never have an oportunity like this again. They could have moved from a minor boutique company to a company proper. They did not believe enought in the product and they don't have time machines. With DJI backup I hope the company will continue to grow and the buyers of both the X1D and the H6D will get a proper update.
    I will wait for the end of the year before commiting. Nikon never recover from the D600 mistake. I will see if Hasselblad can.

    Enjoy your camera a lot, post a ton of pictures

    Best regards,
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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Quote Originally Posted by etto72 View Post

    Where is the X1D????


    Its here!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I would like to thank everyone in this forum that joined this post which made this never-ending wait way less painful

    I love this camera!!!!!!

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    Best to all
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    That's great news Ettore!! You have been among the most patient of those who pre-ordered. I admire your persistence.

    Enjoy the camera and post some photos in the "Fun with MF Images" thread. We need X1D representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    That's great news Ettore!! You have been among the most patient of those who pre-ordered. I admire your persistence.

    Enjoy the camera and post some photos in the "Fun with MF Images" thread. We need X1D representation.

    Joe
    New to this forum, hello to all. I wonder if others have also received the X1D 4116? Or Ettore is the only lucky one.
    I have ordered mine in France, and was promised delivery this month after several other promises ...

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Quote Originally Posted by abed View Post
    New to this forum, hello to all. I wonder if others have also received the X1D 4116? Or Ettore is the only lucky one.
    I have ordered mine in France, and was promised delivery this month after several other promises ...
    I'm aware of several on this forum, including me, who have received the 4116. All of those are in the US however. It's a beautiful camera!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    I'm aware of several on this forum, including me, who have received the 4116. All of those are in the US however. It's a beautiful camera!

    Joe
    Thanks Joe.
    It seems there were a number delivered few weeks back, then nothing. Have you received yours recently?

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Well I have had my (boring) silver version for a couple of months. But what I really want to know is Where Is the X1D/H Lens Adapter? I can understand that getting Autofocus to work could delay things, but surely a manual focus only adapter at a reasonable price (which in my view is indeed the listed price) shouldn't be so difficult to manufacture and get out into the world - it is now nearly 11 months since the initial announcement. Anyone heard anything about it?



    Quote Originally Posted by abed View Post
    Thanks Joe.
    It seems there were a number delivered few weeks back, then nothing. Have you received yours recently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pflower View Post
    Well I have had my (boring) silver version for a couple of months. But what I really want to know is Where Is the X1D/H Lens Adapter? I can understand that getting Autofocus to work could delay things, but surely a manual focus only adapter at a reasonable price (which in my view is indeed the listed price) shouldn't be so difficult to manufacture and get out into the world - it is now nearly 11 months since the initial announcement. Anyone heard anything about it?
    I asked Steve Goldsmith (Hasselblad representative) directly about the XH lens adapter, and he was not able to give me an answer. Hasselblad's achilles heel seems to be the total blackout of information coming from them. It is totally frustrating. If they said it would be a month or two or even 90 days, we might understand. For me, it is disrespectful to totally ignore the thousands who have already received X1Ds. We all understand that Hasselblad is a very small company, but information costs nothing. It seems to me that they are saying, "I'll tell you when I feel like it." or "You'll get it when I'm good and ready." Most likely they are trying to have AF on release, but your point is well taken. Given all this, I do appreciate them getting the X1D as good as they did before release, because it is a great camera with solid firmware. However, a sentence or two from them would have been appreciated as we waited very patiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANKER1 View Post
    I asked Steve Goldsmith (Hasselblad representative) directly about the XH lens adapter, and he was not able to give me an answer. Hasselblad's Achilles heel seems to be the total blackout of information coming from them. It is totally frustrating. If they said it would be a month or two or even 90 days, we might understand. For me, it is disrespectful to totally ignore the thousands who have already received X1Ds. We all understand that Hasselblad is a very small company, but information costs nothing. It seems to me that they are saying, "I'll tell you when I feel like it." or "You'll get it when I'm good and ready." Most likely they are trying to have AF on release, but your point is well taken. Given all this, I do appreciate them getting the X1D as good as they did before release because it is a great camera with solid firmware. However, a sentence or two from them would have been appreciated as we waited very patiently.

    Greg
    Fully agree their communication skill are abysmal, and this is coming from me and I am no good at it. The good part is that "abysmal" is far better than what they were before.
    They could say: "we are finalizing and testing the autofocus, we don't have an ETA now". People will understand and decide if they want to reach a petition to have it release without autofocus. But as I say they are improving, users need to continue asking and continue demanding better communication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANKER1 View Post
    I asked Steve Goldsmith (Hasselblad representative) directly about the XH lens adapter, and he was not able to give me an answer. Hasselblad's achilles heel seems to be the total blackout of information coming from them. It is totally frustrating. If they said it would be a month or two or even 90 days, we might understand. For me, it is disrespectful to totally ignore the thousands who have already received X1Ds. We all understand that Hasselblad is a very small company, but information costs nothing. It seems to me that they are saying, "I'll tell you when I feel like it." or "You'll get it when I'm good and ready." Most likely they are trying to have AF on release, but your point is well taken. Given all this, I do appreciate them getting the X1D as good as they did before release, because it is a great camera with solid firmware. However, a sentence or two from them would have been appreciated as we waited very patiently.

    Greg
    Greg, I agree. I would suggest that you email Ming Thein about the "communication" issues. As the new Chief of Strategy for Hasselblad, I am sure he would care about the sense of frustration. The other camera manufacturers are really no better when it comes to these kinds of issues, but that's no excuse.

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    Thanks Joe.
    It seems there were a number delivered few weeks back, then nothing. Have you received yours recently?
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    Well I just got in an order for the XH adapter and 30mm XCD lens. I'll guess they'll get here....sometime. I don't need them at the moment and I'm not too eager for the CC charge to hit for the 30mm so I'm ok with the delay for now.

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    Latest news from an official HB source

    GPS modules will be shipped still in May.
    XH Adapter is coming in June. Most H lenses after 2011 will AF

    XCD 120mm Macro f3.5: available for delivery September 2017 (demo versions available in June/July 2017)
    XCD 35-75 zoom and XCD 22 and XCD 65 (f2.8): Demo versions will be available for testing in November/December 2017, delivery early 2018

    Let's cross fingers that this schedule will be met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satijntje View Post
    Latest news from an official HB source

    GPS modules will be shipped still in May.
    XH Adapter is coming in June. Most H lenses after 2011 will AF

    XCD 120mm Macro f3.5: available for delivery September 2017 (demo versions available in June/July 2017)
    XCD 35-75 zoom and XCD 22 and XCD 65 (f2.8): Demo versions will be available for testing in November/December 2017, delivery early 2018

    Let's cross fingers that this schedule will be met.
    John
    I hope that they deliver the 120mm on time. They say June, I hope that they release in June. If they are going to be that late, this will mean that they continue with problems.

    "https://petapixel.com/2017/02/28/hasselblad-announces-4-new-lenses-mirrorless-x1d-3-primes-1-zoom/"

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    I'm in the US on business and had a few hours to spare in NY so I visited B&H and ended up buying an XID with a 45. A bit busy right now but I have been happy snapping here and there in San Fran and Philly - trying to get used to the camera in hand. It felt better in hand than the Fugi - which is the only reason I decided to plonk some hard earned on a whimsy....

    It feels as nice in hand as my Leica Ms and SL...so that is a positive. The autofocus is typical MF crapola as far as speed goes and the menu system will take some reading - but a pretty simple camera to hold and use for shots when I get back to Oz - oh teh viewfinder was a pleasant surprise nto too bad really not SL quality but as good as any other mirrorless system going around.

    I guess the most disconcertign thing for me so far is the clicks the lens and shutter make in taking a shot....lol

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    I guess the most disconcertign thing for me so far is the clicks the lens and shutter make in taking a shot....lol
    At bit embarrassing ... like the small waif in the back of the class who had a severe stutter of speech.

    Always wanted to help ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    At bit embarrassing ... like the small waif in the back of the class who had a severe stutter of speech.

    Always wanted to help ....

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    haha - which was always the wrong thing to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    I'm in the US on business and had a few hours to spare in NY so I visited B&H and ended up buying an XID with a 45. A bit busy right now but I have been happy snapping here and there in San Fran and Philly - trying to get used to the camera in hand. It felt better in hand than the Fugi - which is the only reason I decided to plonk some hard earned on a whimsy....

    It feels as nice in hand as my Leica Ms and SL...so that is a positive. The autofocus is typical MF crapola as far as speed goes and the menu system will take some reading - but a pretty simple camera to hold and use for shots when I get back to Oz - oh teh viewfinder was a pleasant surprise nto too bad really not SL quality but as good as any other mirrorless system going around.

    I guess the most disconcertign thing for me so far is the clicks the lens and shutter make in taking a shot....lol
    The key thing is to understand that there is really very little shutter lag. Because of the sequnce of clicks when you depress the shutter, there is an illusion of shutter lag, but the delay between the shutter being depressed and the exposure actually being made is roughly the same as a Leica M, and quicker than a Hasselblad H6D. The X1D is not a camera to carry in a holster for quick draw photography, but I am sure you knew that going in.
    Btw, the "clickiness" of the leaf shutter seems more pronounced with the 45 than the 30mm or the 90mm lens for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    I hope that they deliver the 120mm on time. They say June, I hope that they release in June. If they are going to be that late, this will mean that they continue with problems.

    "https://petapixel.com/2017/02/28/hasselblad-announces-4-new-lenses-mirrorless-x1d-3-primes-1-zoom/"
    I hate the delays as well, but I try to keep it in perspective. My understanding is that Hasselblad is actually doing a better job rolling out the lenses for the X1D that it did rolling out the lenses for the H1 system. The reality is that they do not have the resources that Fuji has, and things will take time. More significantly, I do think that Hasselblad has a clear vision of where it wants to take the X1D system, and I personally like that vision.

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    The key thing is to understand that there is really very little shutter lag. Because of the sequnce of clicks when you depress the shutter, there is an illusion of shutter lag, but the delay between the shutter being depressed and the exposure actually being made is roughly the same as a Leica M, and quicker than a Hasselblad H6D. The X1D is not a camera to carry in a holster for quick draw photography, but I am sure you knew that going in.
    Btw, the "clickiness" of the leaf shutter seems more pronounced with the 45 than the 30mm or the 90mm lens for some reason.
    Much appreciated comment Hucbell...the clicks combined with blackout had me thinking about lag...I'll post some shots soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    ...The X1D is not a camera to carry in a holster for quick draw photography, but I am sure you knew that going in...
    The great pity is it could have been.

    I've printed off this quote and stuck it to my wall. Whenever I'm tempted to buy it will be there to guide me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithL View Post
    The great pity is it could have been.

    I've printed off this quote and stuck it to my wall. Whenever I'm tempted to buy it will be there to guide me.
    It is a great honor to know that my words occupy such an exalted position in the Laban Manor. [G]

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    It is a great honor to know that my words occupy such an exalted position in the Laban Manor. [G]
    The fact is your words were apposite and I thank you for them. [G]

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    Thanks G, my wait is finally end
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyen View Post
    Thanks G, my wait is finally end
    Beautiful and congrats....but wait, what about your reputation? Its not silver/chrome!...LOL! Maybe a can of spray paint?

    (Of course all said in good fun and my admiration for your lovely collection of silver chrome cameras and lenses).

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    Hahah... you know me well Dave.
    But it's hard to resists the force of the dark side, hahaha...



    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Beautiful and congrats....but wait, what about your reputation? Its not silver/chrome!...LOL! Maybe a can of spray paint?

    (Of course all said in good fun and my admiration for your lovely collection of silver chrome cameras and lenses).

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    Can wait to take it out for a ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyen View Post
    Can wait to take it out for a ride

    Nice image...

    Where did you get that nice rope strap?

    Thanks.

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    Hi Eli, bought this in a local small shop, been looking for an orange colour strap to match with it for a while


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    Nice image...

    Where did you get that nice rope strap?

    Thanks.

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    It's in stock at B&H

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Quote Originally Posted by satijntje View Post
    Latest news from an official HB source

    GPS modules will be shipped still in May.
    XH Adapter is coming in June. Most H lenses after 2011 will AF

    XCD 120mm Macro f3.5: available for delivery September 2017 (demo versions available in June/July 2017)
    XCD 35-75 zoom and XCD 22 and XCD 65 (f2.8): Demo versions will be available for testing in November/December 2017, delivery early 2018

    Let's cross fingers that this schedule will be met.
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    That's June 2017, not 2018 for the XH Adapter, right???
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshMerwin View Post
    That's June 2017, not 2018 for the XH Adapter, right???

    Indeed, 2017

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Mine was at Nob Hill San Fran last week...after I picked it up from B&H..

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    I just received a shipment notification from Hasselblad Bron...no idea what it is but I assume it's the X1D GPS module. Scheduled delivery is Friday so I guess I'll find out soon enough...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    I just received a shipment notification from Hasselblad Bron...no idea what it is but I assume it's the X1D GPS module. Scheduled delivery is Friday so I guess I'll find out soon enough...
    I got the same notification and was for a moment excited that perhaps my XH Adapter was shipping...then I realized that it will be coming from the camera store where I ordered it, not directly from Hasselblad. Oh well...

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    Re: Where is the X1D ????

    Quote Originally Posted by bcambern View Post
    I got the same notification and was for a moment excited that perhaps my XH Adapter was shipping...then I realized that it will be coming from the camera store where I ordered it, not directly from Hasselblad. Oh well...
    Me too. Sigh. Oh well, better than nothing
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