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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Yikes!

    For the record, I have been very well treated by both Phase One dealers I have dealt with, and both know that I have no need to tether. My friend (and step-brother-in-law .. it's complicated) does tether every shoot, as he does portraiture. (He was a bit surprised to come across this wall at the expo, as he didn't remember authorizing it. Happy, mind you, but surprised.)



    Tethering speed is his only complaint abut the S.

    Concerning C1, I wish it supported the S. I know from experience that I just won't carry around a camera with a DB. The XF with the lenses I would use is much too large and heavy, and I strongly prefer AF. My choice was stick with C1 and take no medium format pictures, or use a system that agreed with me ergonomically and process as best I could in a less pleasant environment. The S won and I suffer with LR/PS. I don't waste grief or anger on the lack of C1 support. If I can't make a picture good with the tools I have, it's not a good picture.

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    Traditionally speaking, it has always being the creator and his skills that make a great photograph and then, the equipment HE (or she) chooses to execute it... As the world keeps spinning, some will want the photographer to forget that today's software never existed when in the past these great photographs were created and convince him instead, that he will advance to a "great photographer" because of the software he uses that "can replace the skills he lucks" .

    I'm afraid, the world will keep spinning and the great skills, combined with the tools that the executor chooses as to create a great photograph, will always surpass whatever skills the promoters of a software may insist that is "irreplaceable".

    I'm simply sorry if some still insist that an inferior tool is a must, because it is accompanied by "great software" that is irreplaceable.

    No software is irreplaceable IMO, only the skills for capturing a great photograph can be irreplaceable.
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    Was doing my normal news intake for the day and it looks like the question has been answered by Fuji, officially on record:

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/news...ans-instant-fi

    just search for Capture One to get to that part of the interview (or hit up fujiaddict.com for a summary).
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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    So K-H

    Turns you were spot on about Iridient supporting GFX RAW files. Saw a notice to the effect in Fujirumors.

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    The GFX looks like a great solution for my Studio and my OnLocation photography --- but the lack of a good tethered Software (e.g. C1) is a big drawback for me.

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    Did we ever get support or even an ETA for future support?

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    No native support or any ETA.

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    I just happened across this thread. With the benefit of what we now know, it's disappointing that the people in the thread who beat up Gerald so thoroughly didn't have the good manners and good grace to apologise. Just saying.
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    Oh!
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    It would be interesting to know the whole story here. Maybe it just took a long long long time for Phase One & Fuji to come to commercial terms, and before launch they were in a tentative deal ? Im pretty sure that the person at the announcement said what they did based on the information available at the time. (It happens in my business where executives and product managers make announcements and then things change and we have to clean up the mess with customers, prospects and partners ).

    Anyway, Gerald was finally vindicated, Victor got his Actus adapters, and the joy of photography continues with such superb tools.
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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Blessed be the peacemaker(s) or was that pacemakers?
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    Looking back at this thread it's interesting to see what a difference a year or two makes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelorus View Post
    I just happened across this thread. With the benefit of what we now know, it's disappointing that the people in the thread who beat up Gerald so thoroughly didn't have the good manners and good grace to apologise. Just saying.
    Capture One will provide full support (including tethering) for Hasselblad before that ever happens.
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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Still no support for my Pentax 645D. I like C1, but as Matt stated above and so long ago, I am not losing sleep over that--C1 was made to support Phase products, not to be a general purpose tool for photographers at large. There are other products that will support both my Fuji and Pentax cameras. Besides, C1 is like Lightroom, which guides you through a particular workflow: I prefer a Photoshop/Bridge type open interface that just provides the tools without the hoops of structured programs like C1. Still, I would like to get away from Photoshop, but I am finding it hard to find a good replacement.

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    ....... I would like to get away from Photoshop, but I am finding it hard to find a good replacement.
    Affinity Photo is very close to Photoshop. Even the shortcuts are mostly the same. What Affiniry can not do is 3D unlike Photoshop. The included RAW converter (equivalent to the Adobe Camera RAW) is not quite as good. Since I pass from CP1 to AP my IIQ RAW's as 16 bit TIF / PSD / PSB, that does not bother me. AP can Panos, Focustacking, HDR and image calculations - in my personal opinion - even better than Photoshop. Most PS plugins work directly with AP.

    I only bought AP because I often work in field with my HP Z Book - because after a day, Adobe PS refused to work without an Internet connection. I was very surprised how good AP is.

    Affinity Photo costs 50.- € and you can test it for 10 days. Maybe that's interesting for you.

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Still no support for my Pentax 645D. I like C1, but as Matt stated above and so long ago, I am not losing sleep over that--C1 was made to support Phase products, not to be a general purpose tool for photographers at large.
    This has not been true for more than a decade.

    The huge majority of C1 users are using at least one non Phase One camera.

    It's true that for both practical and business reasons they spend an inordinate amount of time tweaking its performance (both speed and quality) for Phase One cameras. But in my opinion they do a better job with Canon, Sony, Fuji, and Nikon files than any other software available.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    C1 is like Lightroom, which guides you through a particular workflow: I prefer a Photoshop/Bridge type open interface that just provides the tools without the hoops of structured programs like C1.
    You can use C1 in the manner you describe ("open interface").
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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    This has not been true for more than a decade.

    C1 will support my 645D? I did not see that listed in the compatible cameras. But thanks for the heads up. I will look into that.

    As a matter of history, C1 was designed to support Phase cameras. But now it supports Pentax medium-format cameras, it is a really good move on C1's part.


    You can use C1 in the manner you describe ("open interface").
    This is even better news. I have been looking for software for my Pentax and Fuji cameras.
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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Since 3.7.8 C1 Pro has supported pretty much all 35mm and APS -C cameras. But would not support any other MF brands.

    I was also not aware C1 supported the Pentax MF cameras. D and Z

    I thought Fuji was the only non MF supported with exif editing to allow C1 to open the file.

    Glad to see thats changing.

    I agree there was a lot of C1 will never support Fuji quotes and strong communication that should have been walked back.

    Fuji support is excellent

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    Sorry my post over-quoted yours. I meant to be replying to the part of your post where you wrote C1 was made to support Phase products, not to be a general purpose tool for photographers at large. which has not been true for over a decade.

    The Pentax 645 is not supported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Sorry my post over-quoted yours. I meant to be replying to the part of your post where you wrote C1 was made to support Phase products, not to be a general purpose tool for photographers at large. which has not been true for over a decade.

    The Pentax 645 is not supported.
    I guess with the exception of all Pentax, Leica, and Hasselblad medium-format cameras. And what is the rationale for that? If C1 is a general purpose tool for photographers at large, that is.

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Part of my reason to go Fuji with MF and dabble with X series as well is the ability to use C1 as an alternative to LR. I switched out of XID into GF series when it became public that C1 would support Fuji GFX. Ci's raw processing of Leica files for M/SL and CL is as good as LR so if I maintain any Leica gear - that is fine too. C1's lack of DAM is the only negative I can think of re this software- which isn't burdened by the inevitable push to Cloud nonsense that Adobe and many other companies want to foist on users.

    So now my workflow is C1 > PS > C1 finished files > LR DAM/Storage/back-up.....if C1 could actually put together a DAM system - I could get rid of Adobe from my life- which would be a handy monthly saving and a simplification of my workflow. As things stand now- I am figuring out ways to eliminate Adobe anyway - which will require a restructure of how I go about accessing 20 yrs worth of files.

    As for the nonsense in this thread and the way Gerald was treated - poor form and apologies are way way overdue - not that they mean anything to anyone anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Capture One will provide full support (including tethering) for Hasselblad before that ever happens.

    Gerald, you've given me a nice opening to say that I am sorry for provoking you and being a contributor to the ruckus. Since I saw this thread pop back up I went back and re-read a lot of what I posted. Not my proudest moment here at GetDPI. I do recall I had the flu that week and was quite heavily medicated. (in fact I mentioned that). Being that foggy headed, I suppose I just couldn't fathom that what I was writing was so inappropriate. I have tried since to not PWF (post with flu).

    Any depth of thought would have led to a conclusion that while this seemed very unlikely, the fact someone at Fuji made the announcement only meant that the two sides had clearly been talking and someone simply jumped the gun or the other side changed their mind about the timing. And as we've seen, ultimately this turned out to be the case. So ... I'm really not sure about that Hasselblad support from C1 coming along, but I am sorry that I responded to you Gerald in the way I did. It potentially could have been a debatable topic, but not in the manner with which I presented it.


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    So now my workflow is C1 > PS > C1 finished files > LR DAM/Storage/back-up.....if C1 could actually put together a DAM system - I could get rid of Adobe from my life- which would be a handy monthly saving and a simplification of my workflow.
    im always a bit mystified by statements re paying Adobe 9 a month (no idea of $ cost) when compared to the $10-$50K camera equipment people are using?
    a Leica S7 plastic body cap is $75 a leica USB to lemo tether cable $150. in the big scheme of things a photoshop/lightroom subscription is peanuts (or 2 flat whites at your local artisan cafe)
    They are just tools for a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    im always a bit mystified by statements re paying Adobe 9 a month (no idea of $ cost) when compared to the $10-$50K camera equipment people are using?
    For me it's not the monthly money outlay, it's the "end game" that Adobe defined when you stop the subscription. For instance for Lightroom they then disable the develop module, so basically you're stuck with the very rudimentary controls of the library module. However you can still import new images. If they would for instance disable the import module but still be able to use the develop module for everything that is in the library from the time you subscribed I could be tempted to switch to the subscription model. Or restart selling "perpetual licence" versions, even if buying the upgrades every 12-18 month would be more expensive than the subscription I'd still go for that to maintain capabilities I'm used to and not take a step back.
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    For me the issue isn't so much the subscription model - though I prefer to buy a license. For me the issue is the sh*t that Adobe puts on my laptop and the way it hogs resources and does what it wants. I feel like saying faaark off it's my laptop. That's why I won't use any Adobe product.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    im always a bit mystified by statements re paying Adobe 9 a month (no idea of $ cost) when compared to the $10-$50K camera equipment people are using?
    a Leica S7 plastic body cap is $75 a leica USB to lemo tether cable $150. in the big scheme of things a photoshop/lightroom subscription is peanuts (or 2 flat whites at your local artisan cafe)

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    im always a bit mystified by statements re paying Adobe 9 a month (no idea of $ cost) when compared to the $10-$50K camera equipment people are using?
    a Leica S7 plastic body cap is $75 a leica USB to lemo tether cable $150. in the big scheme of things a photoshop/lightroom subscription is peanuts (or 2 flat whites at your local artisan cafe)
    What does it cost to host 6 terrabytes of data growing at a terrabyte p.a. on the Cloud? How do I access my own data from the Cloud if I don't have internet access? I could go on ....

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    Not sure what cloud storage costs have to do with a photoshop subscription?
    They are just tools for a job.

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    Not sure what cloud storage costs have to do with a photoshop subscription?
    I'm not sure why you care to share a POV about other people's indifference curves - but I wont lose any sleep over it.

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    Just find it odd that 9/Month is seen as prohibitive to work on files from 10-50k of camera kit.
    Doesn’t give me insomnia either.
    They are just tools for a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    Just find it odd that 9/Month is seen as prohibitive to work on files from 10-50k of camera kit.
    Doesn’t give me insomnia either.
    It's not (always) the money, as you can read in several posts it also has to do with other stuff people don't like about Adobe or the terms of the subscription. It's just like cameras, lenses etc. The ideal one doesn't exist and people choose what suits them best. For some it's an Adobe subscription, for others not. Both are right (for their needs) and I don't see any problem with that. Isn't it great to have choices?
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    Choice is good. I too dislike adobe but thats for their lacklustre attitude to fixing a lot of the photoshop tools (brush lag, quickmask bugs only single core etc) and releasing new features that are of little use to professional users.
    I still think its incredibly good value considering what it enables you to do.
    They are just tools for a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    I still think its incredibly good value considering what it enables you to do.
    Agree, it's not significantly more expensive than buying the upgrades in the past. But it's the inability to keep using it when you stop the subscription that holds me back taking the plunge. If I switch tools I don't mind to use that for all my new photo's, but the thought I can't do little tweaks on my old shots in the tool they were first processed in is the show stopper for me.

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    If the perpetual license were such a bad deal compared with the "only $10/month" subscription, then Adobe would surely make it an option to fleece us idiots of our money. The fact that they don't means we are undervaluing the option - as in the financial instrument - we have given them to raises the price or otherwise hold our work for ransom.

    Anyone is welcome not to care, or not to see why giving away control of the output of your $50K camera system (and paying for the privilege) is a bad thing. Or they can argue that computers won't support your current software in 10 years, or whatever. It's the lack of choice that bothers some of us.

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    other compatible image processors are available'
    They are just tools for a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    ......... we have given them to raise the price or otherwise hold our work for ransom.
    +1, not being able to access your old work with your old tool is a bad deal in my book, no matter what angle I look at it. A perpetual licence with an old computer will very likely work until you die, and even longer for your heirs in case they would be interested.

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    ‘other compatible image processors are available'
    Fortunately yes, and even better, most of those don't involve the ongoing subscription that you think should be OK for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    If the perpetual license were such a bad deal compared with the "only $10/month" subscription, then Adobe would surely make it an option to fleece us idiots of our money. The fact that they don't means we are undervaluing the option - as in the financial instrument - we have given them to raises the price or otherwise hold our work for ransom.

    Anyone is welcome not to care, or not to see why giving away control of the output of your $50K camera system (and paying for the privilege) is a bad thing. Or they can argue that computers won't support your current software in 10 years, or whatever. It's the lack of choice that bothers some of us.

    I'm having dj vu.

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    I'd stopped using Adobe products, with the exception of an older version of Photoshop 6 that had been purchased, when they'd switched to their subscription program. Like you, I do not relish the idea of a company holding me hostage to their cash generating agenda. I much prefer to own my software, or a license to use same, thereby affording me the option of signing on to future upgrades or not. Of course, the hostage approach assumed by Adobe and others guarantees them perpetual cash flow, or so they think. IMO, the Phase One approach with Capture One is much more palatable, and the software itself has matured to the extent that it accomplishes all that I personally require, and I am a GFX100 user.
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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    IMHO we are rapidly moving to a commodity service model. And in a very near future complains like those will pretty much sound like wanting to own the very power plant instead of paying the monthly bill.
    Time will tell us, and I agree that it is indeed good that we have different choices and different thinkings.
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    Likely next step might be you can only store your images on their servers. Not possible you say? Well for CAD/CAM, computer machining design software that has already happened. Then it will be even easier to rip you off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Likely next step might be you can only store your images on their servers. Not possible you say? Well for CAD/CAM, computer machining design software that has already happened. Then it will be even easier to rip you off.
    Well said!
    I can envision Adobe, and companies that employ a similar business plan, selling their obligatory "Cloud" storage as a more efficient means of archiving and processing. And at that point they will have complete control of your content ... talk about hostage taking. I will never follow that path, and prefer to own my resident software with storage directed to my on premises RAID device. You acquired the images, you own the copyright. Keep it safe.
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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    If that happens then their competitors will prosper and professional users will leave adobe in droves.
    It wouldnt surprise me if Capture one release a full image editing program as they are effectively developing it in the open with layers, masking,luminosity masks etc.
    In fact I heard a rumour a few years ago that this was where they were heading.
    They are just tools for a job.

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    Re: Fuji GFX and Capture One

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Likely next step might be you can only store your images on their servers. Not possible you say? Well for CAD/CAM, computer machining design software that has already happened. Then it will be even easier to rip you off.
    Yep

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