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    I have recently become a devotee of MF aerial photography. In furtherance of this endeavor I have acquired a Cessna 206 aircraft that is a retired aerial survey plane with a 19 inch hole in the floor of the fuselage in which we have mounted a Phase One copy camera with my 3-100 back shooting through a 35mm blue ring lens. Most of my current photo inventory is ‘straight down’ rather than an oblique angle. We are rigging the aircraft to allow for oblique as well as straight down and will post
    later as we get this figured out. I hope this thread will attract postings from other DMF aerial shooters. That said, here is my initial post. This image taken at about 1500 ft agl at F8, iso 400, 1/1250 sec and cropped square.

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    206 is a great platform ... when I was flying there were regularly stolen and used by the cartels ... really a great flying truck.

    Sounds like a wonderful project ... so much beauty from 1500-2000 AGL.

    Main reason I flew was the view.

    Looking forward to seeing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    206 is a great platform ... when I was flying there were regularly stolen and used by the cartels ... really a great flying truck.

    Sounds like a wonderful project ... so much beauty from 1500-2000 AGL.

    Main reason I flew was the view.

    Looking forward to seeing more.

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    Thanks Bob, here's one from The Palouse
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    The IQ3 100 and blue ring Schneider 35mm is a brilliant combination for aerial photography.

    I did a test a while back where we put the Phase One iXU1000 (the Phase One aerial camera based on the IQ3 100) and 35mm in a Shotover mounted on a helicopter and then went for a fly over town. For those who are not familiar with it, the Shotover is a remote controlled stabilised gimbal. We ran a feed from the HDMI output to the control system inside the heli. So could see exactly what we were about to shoot the entire time. Stupidly simple to operate, and means you can get both the nadir shots and more general angles. It's hard not to get fixated on the nadir though!

    The iXU has an automatic exposure option - basically it will apply exposure correction to the subsequent shot, so if the light changes dramatically, you simply take two shots in quick succession, and the second will be correctly exposed.

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    And here's one hand-held through an open door in a heli. ALPA TC and Rodie 32HR



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    That is the great thing about this "hobby." When it comes to costs, the sky's the limit (no pun intended).
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    Cool! Acquiring a plane can be classed as proper dedication, very impressive!

    Looking forward to seeing more, best of luck with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr View Post
    Cool! Acquiring a plane can be classed as proper dedication, very impressive!

    Looking forward to seeing more, best of luck with it.

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    Ha, yes! It's a whole different ball game, I'm trying to drum up clients interested in aerial photography to warrant the purchase of a drone, feeling slightly inadequate!

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    Re: MF AERIAL images

    The central highlands of Iceland are good for landscapes: http://www.jeff-grant.com/photo19094806.html

    while the river deltas are full of abstracts: http://www.jeff-grant.com/photo21131597.html

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    Re: MF AERIAL images

    I posted this in the Fun with MF thread a while back but it fits here

    Ord River tidal basin of the Timor sea, Western Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejpeiker View Post
    I posted this in the Fun with MF thread a while back but it fits here

    Ord River tidal basin of the Timor sea, Western Australia

    P1-IQ3100, SK 80mm, shot from a Bell Longranger helicopter with no doors. This photo won Grand Prize in Viewbug's "Our Natural World" 2016 Contest against 203,000 entries.
    I'm not surprised - what a stunning shot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch View Post
    I have recently become a devotee of MF aerial photography. In furtherance of this endeavor I have acquired a Cessna 206 aircraft that is a retired aerial survey plane with a 19 inch hole in the floor of the fuselage in which we have mounted a Phase One copy camera with my 3-100 back shooting through a 35mm blue ring lens. Most of my current photo inventory is ‘straight down’ rather than an oblique angle. We are rigging the aircraft to allow for oblique as well as straight down and will post
    later as we get this figured out. I hope this thread will attract postings from other DMF aerial shooters. That said, here is my initial post. This image taken at about 1500 ft agl at F8, iso 400, 1/1250 sec and cropped square.

    From Canyonlands NP
    Hi Mitch,

    Great work! I've just done my first aerial shoot with an XF/IQ3100 over central London. I'm hooked!
    I wrote a blog post about it here:
    http://www.richardosbourne.com/blog/...-40-80-ls-lens

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    Re: MF AERIAL images

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Osbourne View Post
    I wrote a blog post about it here:
    http://www.richardosbourne.com/blog/...-40-80-ls-lens

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    Great blog post.
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    What an exciting thread! Looking forward to seeing more images!

    And a shameless plug for a good friend of mine: https://www.camerondavidson.com

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    Shot in Long Beach Harbor in initial 'shakedown' after camera install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Great blog post.
    Thanks Graham!

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    Richard,

    Do you feel that the shutter speed of 1/1000 sec or 1/2000 sec was adequate to prevent any camera vibration from affecting your pictures when shooting from the helicopter? I was just curious to know what you think; the one time I took photos out of a helicopter I was using a gyroscope type device to help prevent camera vibrations. Next time I may forego the gyro.
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    Thanks Graham!

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    Solar farm East of Santa Barbara. IQ3100. 35LS. PHASE ONE IXR CAMERA. 1000ft AGL
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    Incredible images!

    Rice farm in the Mississippi River delta in SE Arkansas. Phase One XF/IQ3100 hanging out the window of a Cesna 172 about 1200 ft agl.

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    Wonderful. I really loved the image shared.

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    Sydney Opera House and Manly Ferry

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    Hawkesbury River Bridge (north of Sydney)

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    Outside the heads of Sydney Harbour

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    Kalalua Beach on Kauai from a helicopter. The doors off helicopter tour in Kauai is not to be missed. Hope to do again in December.

    Cambo AE, Rodenstock HR32, IQ180:

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    Ragged Range, Western Australia - XF-IQ3100, 80mm, ISO 400, f/5, 1/2000s

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    Re: MF AERIAL images

    Talking about aerial cameras...we've just announced a new 190MP one: http://industrial.phaseone.com/Aerial_Systems.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Talking about aerial cameras...we've just announced a new 190MP one: http://industrial.phaseone.com/Aerial_Systems.aspx

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    Wow, looks like two 100mp sensors mounted vertically next to each other. Very cool!
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    Wow, looks like two 100mp sensors mounted vertically next to each other. Very cool!
    Actually two totally separate cameras mounted vertically next to one another. There will be considerable separation of the sensors.

    It will be interesting to see if they also market a slightly adjusted version of this set up (with more overlap between what the two cameras are imaging) as a stereoscopic solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Actually two totally separate cameras mounted vertically next to one another. There will be considerable separation of the sensors.
    Very much doubt, at the altitude (= camera to subject distance) involved, that the separation will be of any consequence whatever...

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    The sensors/ lenses are shifted to create a 10% overlap, hence 190MP, so it's not 2 separate cameras...see White Paper
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    The sensors/ lenses are shifted to create a 10% overlap, hence 190MP, so it's not 2 separate cameras...see White Paper
    Of course it is two separate cameras. Two lenses. Two sensors.

    They may well be designed and packaged into a single unit, but it is pretty odd to claim otherwise. It no doubt does it’s job admirably. Why pretend it is something it isn’t?

    Two RAW files too, I bet.

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    As a licensed pilot I would shoot from the open door of a 1956 Super Cub. When I was prospecting for new clients at a major resort, I told them I do aerial photography. They proceeded to ask, do you have a drone? Alas, drones are far less expensive and honestly, can get perspectives I couldn't safely do. Aerial photography is prevalent in many productions and unfortunately because now anyone can fly drones, aerial photography run the risk of being overused like HDR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    The sensors/ lenses are shifted to create a 10% overlap, hence 190MP, so it's not 2 separate cameras...see White Paper
    And there's a 3 sensor model as well, one of them being a NIR which uses a wider lens, to provide the same FOV as the other 2 put together.
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    Re: MF AERIAL images

    Hi all—

    Been silent for a while, but that doesn’t mean I haven’t been busy. When I last posted I had then recently purchased an ex aerial survey Cessna 206 with a hole in the floor to pursue aerial photography on a serious basis. While I got some pictures I was happy with, I am a big guy and that plane was way too confining for my 6’5” 265 lb frame. So, sold the 206 and bought a Cessna Caravan with a cargo pod below the fuselage that seemed ideal to mount cameras, meaning no hole in the floor in the plane.

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    That was in July ’17. Very long story short, the FAA wants to have a say-so on almost ANY modifications to an airplane and after 7 months proposals, modifications and inspections I have an aerial camera platform I am pretty happy with.



    The equipment specs: Phase Industrial IXU 1000 with 35LS shooting straight down mounted in a Kenyon Gyro. So as to avoid the noise generated with live view a Sony 4k video cam employed as a EVF replicating the FOV of the phase.


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    We have a flip-down window in in the cabin to shoot obliques. That is Rick Rose with his Hassy.


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    Some pictures of the project follow.


    My favorite aerial subject of the moment, Canyonlands Green River.

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    Tank Farm, Central Valley, California

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    More from the Caravan!


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    Phase One IQ150 60mm Exposure 1/400sec @ f/8.0 ISO 200





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    Phase One iXU1000 35mm Exposure 1/800sec @ f/3.5 ISO 640




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    Great shots Mitch,

    Where is that road I would love to get my M3 up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boinger View Post
    Great shots Mitch,

    Where is that road I would love to get my M3 up there
    I think it is the road to Hearst Castle. In central Calif, in any case. Trying to get an simple GPS hooked to the Phase Industrial camera. That aerial mapping gear is overkill for what I'm doing.

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    Today I was going through some recent collections and stumbled onto this image and wanted to share!






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    Mitch,

    I find myself having to live vicariously through your aerial photos as I have to rely on United / Delta etc.

    Hardly MF but Sony RX1R:

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    Richard,

    Do you feel that the shutter speed of 1/1000 sec or 1/2000 sec was adequate to prevent any camera vibration from affecting your pictures when shooting from the helicopter? I was just curious to know what you think; the one time I took photos out of a helicopter I was using a gyroscope type device to help prevent camera vibrations. Next time I may forego the gyro.
    Thanks,

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    Hi John, for some reason I didn't get any notification of your question. I found 1/2000 sec more than adequate to stop camera shake. Even when the helicopter was being buffeted by gusts of wind, the photos were all sharp. So, for the next trip, 1/1000, F8, ISO400 is the next test. That 40-80 lens is outstanding edge to edge at F11. It's a question as to whether it is still at F8 or even F5.6. The IQ3100 isn't great at ISO800, surprisingly. I thought it would have less noise and better colour as it looked quite rough at 100% and needed a fair bit of p/p. I suspect it will improve a lot at ISO400. Next trip will be in a couple of months so I'll try to update the blog post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Osbourne View Post
    Hi John, for some reason I didn't get any notification of your question. I found 1/2000 sec more than adequate to stop camera shake. Even when the helicopter was being buffeted by gusts of wind, the photos were all sharp. So, for the next trip, 1/1000, F8, ISO400 is the next test. That 40-80 lens is outstanding edge to edge at F11. It's a question as to whether it is still at F8 or even F5.6. The IQ3100 isn't great at ISO800, surprisingly. I thought it would have less noise and better colour as it looked quite rough at 100% and needed a fair bit of p/p. I suspect it will improve a lot at ISO400. Next trip will be in a couple of months so I'll try to update the blog post.best,Richard
    My experience with the XF-IQ3100 in aerial photo situations from helicopters with no doors is that pixel level sharpness continues to improve the faster you get with the shutter speed until you get to 1/2500, after that there's little difference and in order to get faster shutter speeds you start to degrade the image too much due to the higher ISO required. Between 1/2000 and 1/2500 there is sometimes a slight difference but more often than not there is none. Once you get slower than 1/2000 the number of shots with some blurring at the pixel level becomes more and more noticeable. My basic set-up for aerial with the XF is shutter priority at 1/2000 or 1/2500 and ISO 400. Of course focal length makes a difference too. These numbers are my standard for the 80mm.

    I suspect that you will have significantly degraded results at 1/1000 compared to 1/2000. Now if you do need to go much slower, I highly recommend a Kenyon gyro stabilizer coupled with slow flight or hovering if possible. In that scenario, I have taken sharp shots at shutter speeds as slow as 1/10s.
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    Thanks, that's very useful. I suspect at wider focal lengths on the 40-80, 1/1000 will show less shake. What apertures is shutter priority giving at these speeds/ISO?


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    My experience with the XF-IQ3100 in aerial photo situations from helicopters with no doors is that pixel level sharpness continues to improve the faster you get with the shutter speed until you get to 1/2500, after that there's little difference and in order to get faster shutter speeds you start to degrade the image too much due to the higher ISO required. Between 1/2000 and 1/2500 there is sometimes a slight difference but more often than not there is none. Once you get slower than 1/2000 the number of shots with some blurring at the pixel level becomes more and more noticeable. My basic set-up for aerial with the XF is shutter priority at 1/2000 or 1/2500 and ISO 400. Of course focal length makes a difference too. These numbers are my standard for the 80mm.

    I suspect that you will have significantly degraded results at 1/1000 compared to 1/2000. Now if you do need to go much slower, I highly recommend a Kenyon gyro stabilizer coupled with slow flight or hovering if possible. In that scenario, I have taken sharp shots at shutter speeds as slow as 1/10s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Osbourne View Post
    Thanks, that's very useful. I suspect at wider focal lengths on the 40-80, 1/1000 will show less shake. What apertures is shutter priority giving at these speeds/ISO?
    Generally between f/4 and f/8
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    First of all, thank you everyone for sharing your experience on this rare genre of photography.

    About two decades ago, while shooting with Canon EOS 100, 35-105 zoom and Ektachrome E100SW (underexposed by 1/3rd stop), I mostly shot from a chopper without doors at 1/500 Sec and got mostly sharp images. The shutter speed will also depend on the elevation. With image stabilised lenses/cameras, giving anywhere from 3 to 4 stops advantage, I think 1/500 at base ISO of 100 should be adequate. I am hoping to shoot Pentax 645Z with 28-45 f/4. 5 SR Lens in about three months time, if all goes well. They will be mostly oblique shots, with a few by banking the chopper as much as my pilot would feel comfortable with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    Kalalua Beach on Kauai from a helicopter. The doors off helicopter tour in Kauai is not to be missed. Hope to do again in December.

    Cambo AE, Rodenstock HR32, IQ180:

    Beautiful image Ed, my wife and oldest daughter are headed there Wednesday. I will show them your picture and maybe that will help calm their nerves on traveling right now.

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