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And the real sad issue, IMO is that odds are that will stay the price. Tarriffs will be dropped, but all the consumer products that were increased in price, tend to stay there. Just like DJI products will continue to stay at the current tariff inflated price.'Luckily' it's just lenses and not the rest. It's so random - why a camera lens and not a camera body?
And yes that includes all Rodenstock and Schneider ones, and (eg) Japanese made but 'German designed' ones, and Alpa mounted 'Swiss' ones.
A 90mm HRSW is now 25% more to US customers than it was 3 months ago.
I am not sure about older 90HR's ability to be mounted in Cambo WRS T/S mount, 90HRSW certainly can be mounted in T/S because I have one.Another point is that I just learned that it can be mounted in Cambo WRS T/S mount which the Rodie can't (T/S).
Peter,Thanks Dave, I'll see if I can dig up the thread.
Peter
No worries Dave, I have more or less decided to go for the Schneider 90mm. But thanks anywayPeter,
I just realized I left off a "w" when I wrote, "90 hrs with..." I meant the HRSW. If I gave you the impression I compared the earlier hr version (which you are really asking about), I apologize.
Dave
Some of this information above by user Alkibiades is 100% incorrect, and this subject has been discussed extensively previously on this forum, I suggest you search for it.The older 90 mm was called Apo Sironar digital 5,6/90 mm and it was not a HR lens.
HR lenses were 23, 28, 35, 60, 70, 180.
After developing new HR lenses with bigger image circle Rodenstock changes the name to Digaron -W HR.The color changes to blue. So you get Digaron-W HR: 32, 40, 50, 70 (the older magenta), and 90 ( the older magenta).
rodenstock renamed the 90 mm to digaron W HR not becouse of similar lensdesign, but becouse of the possibility to resolve the new sensors. So the 90 mm is a different lens in the Digaron-W hr group.
Dave,Peter,
It is hard to tell; mine is mounted on a Rodenstock helical, and there is only about 1/16" between the bottom of the front barrel (the part that says "Lens made in Germany") and the front face of the helical. The back of my lens has the usual lens nut that requires a spanner wrench. The ring just behind that nut on the back is the back face of the helical with the usual 3-screw mount. On my lens, it looks like the helical is mounted in front of that thin ring but I don't see it behind the helical either. I wonder if that was for an enlarger mount? I don't know.
Dave
Some of this information above by user Alkibiades is 100% incorrect, and this subject has been discussed extensively previously on this forum, I suggest you search for it.
The Cliff Notes: Per Rodenstock directly, the 90mm APO Sironar is indeed an "HR" lens and is EXACTLY the same lens as the Blue ring 90mm HR-W. Exactly the same lens with only the color of ring and name changing. This information is spelled out clearly in Rodenstock's own literature.
_______________________________I am still trying to figure this out myself.
There are:
- Sironar
- APO-Sironar (at one stage relabelled as Apo-Sironar-N)
- Apo-Sironar-S
- APO-Sironar digital
- APO-Sironar digital HR
I have seen APO-Sironar digital HR lenses in the focal lengths 28, 35, 60, and 100.
The APO-Sironar digital HR line got relabelled as HR Digaron-S apparently with no design changes beyond the change of name.
(APO-Sironar digital and APO-Sironar digital HR were re-labelled by Sinar and sold as Sinaron Digital and Sinaron Digital HR, respectively.)
My current understanding is that the HR Digaron-W line is a complete new design.
The HR Digaron-W 90mm was redesigned, and is now the sole lens of the HR Digaron-SW line (Ignoring the blue ringed 138mm). A person in the know told me that the 70mm may get a similar redesign.
Thanks. This would explain why the 70mm and 90mm (Blue ring) are regarded as weaker lenses in the Digaron-W lineup._______________________________
Directly from Rodenstock:
...
Rodenstock APO-Sironar Digital 70mm and 90mm = 70mm and 90mm HR-W (Blue Ring)
... The APO-Sironar Digital was a redesign for DB's. Some of those added the "HR" to the ring, some did not according to production run, but there is zero difference...
Robert B
Some of this information above by user Alkibiades is 100% incorrect, and this subject has been discussed extensively previously on this forum, I suggest you search for it.
The Cliff Notes: Per Rodenstock directly, the 90mm APO Sironar is indeed an "HR" lens and is EXACTLY the same lens as the Blue ring 90mm HR-W. Exactly the same lens with only the color of ring and name changing. This information is spelled out clearly in Rodenstock's own literature. Essentially the 90mm APO Sironar was already a "better" lens than the others in the APO Sironar group, so when they moved to the HR-W Blue ring series they kept the 90mm exactly as it was previously, only "rebadging" it.
The proof is always in the pudding; Ive tested two copies of the 90mm APO Sironar with the IQ4 (150) and an object level target and shooting with it stitching images at up to 12mm of shift. It is an excellent lens and in every way comparable to the Rodenstock's best. Is the new 90mm HR-SW yellow band better? I don't know and don't care to purchase one as it's 6x the price ($1,500 vs $9,000), heavier, and requires a rear extension tube on my Arca R.
Robert B
Thanks. This would explain why the 70mm and 90mm (Blue ring) are regarded as weaker lenses in the Digaron-W lineup.
But there is a difference in the design of the APO-Sironar Digital and APO-Sironar Digital HD. (Have lenses from both lines.)
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Directly from Rodenstock:
However, digital lenses with image circle diameters of about 70 mm designed for smaller sensors do not allow sufficient or even any camera movements. This is why the new Rodenstock lens series HR Digaron-W (Blue Ring) with larger image circles from 90 mm on and with an extremely high resolution very close to the physical limit of diffraction has been developed. This new lens series comprises the focal lengths of 40 mm, 50 mm, 70 mm and 90 mm. The last mentioned two lenses are the renamed former Apo-Sironar digital 70 mm f/5.6 and Apo-Sironar digital 90 mm f/5.6 which both had already been calculated according to the much higher demands on freedom from aberrations for higher resolution with larger working apertures (reduced stopping down).
Rodenstock APO-Sironar Digital 70mm and 90mm = 70mm and 90mm HR-W (Blue Ring)
The Sironar and Sironar S were film lenses. The APO-Sironar Digital was a redesign for DB's. Some of those added the "HR" to the ring, some did not according to production run, but there is zero difference. Also zero difference in that series moving forward for 70mm and 90mm.
Robert B
The comment where you refer to 90mm APO-Sironar Digital lens (Magenta ring) as being a different design from the 90mm HR-W (Blue ring).Hi Robert,
could you write me what of my information exactly are wrong or incorrect?
Should have added "by some". Have no personal knowledge or experience with either lenses.key word being "regarded". I have 90mm APO-Sironar and the 70mm HR-W and both are excellent on the IQ4 - 150.
"HR" High resolution. Subjective term, marketing term, wouldn't read too much into it.different story is what rodenstock means by using the name HR