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    Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Hi,

    I am wondering you've had experiences of the IQ of these 2 lenses; Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens (yellow ring) VS Rodenstock 90mm HR Digaron W*(Older generation).

    The price difference is very significant. Is it well worth it to get the most recent one? What is the compromises of the older lens.

    My DB is IQ3100.

    I know I can get the answers from here.

    Thank you

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I've always heard (and read) good things about the older HR90 so its probably worthwhile to try it if you have that option.
    I think the older lens also does not need a spacer, which is something to consider (a point in its favor).
    90HRSW is obviously a brilliant lens but the older 90 is also great.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamgolf View Post
    I've always heard (and read) good things about the older HR90 so its probably worthwhile to try it if you have that option.
    I think the older lens also does not need a spacer, which is something to consider (a point in its favor).
    90HRSW is obviously a brilliant lens but the older 90 is also great.
    Thanks very much! I appreciate your input. I saw outstanding result of your 90 HDSW. It has a 3D look like the 32mm I've had.
    It's also a great point regarding the spacer. I am clumsy and quite nervous about moving the expensive DB in the field.

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I have the older HRW version of this lens. Its fantastic, but is quite susceptible to flare. The newer one may be better.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    I have the older HRW version of this lens. Its fantastic, but is quite susceptible to flare. The newer one may be better.
    Hi Geoff,

    Thanks very much!
    Can the flare be prevented by a lens shade? How good is it for shifting?

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I have the older one; I never experienced flare and used it a lot with the Arca compendium lens shade.
    Lens is small;doesn't need a spacer on the Arca system and the acuity is excellent.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    I have the older one; I never experienced flare and used it a lot with the Arca compendium lens shade.
    Lens is small;doesn't need a spacer on the Arca system and the acuity is excellent.
    Stanley
    Hi Stanley,

    Much appreciate your comment! It's great to hear the positive result.
    Do you have a chance to compare to the new one (yellow ring)? Do you think some improvement of IQ (if any) justify the upgrade?
    Your pictures have always shown excellent colors but I didn't know which ones were taken with the 90mm.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landscapelover View Post
    Hi Geoff,

    Thanks very much!
    Can the flare be prevented by a lens shade? How good is it for shifting?

    Pramote
    Yes, shifts quite nicely. Very strong lens throughout.
    The flare comes in from the side, when you don't expect it, so my guess is yes, a shade would help a lot. But just be aware of it as an issue. When used in grey days or early/late light, this lens shines.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Yes, shifts quite nicely. Very strong lens throughout.
    The flare comes in from the side, when you don't expect it, so my guess is yes, a shade would help a lot. But just be aware of it as an issue. When used in grey days or early/late light, this lens shines.
    Thanks a lot! Very useful information Pramote

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Sorry,Never used the new 90mm Rodie
    I can't remember what I posted, but here is one taken with my 90mm three images stitched maximum shift each direction
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    Sorry,Never used the new 90mm Rodie
    I can't remember what I posted, but here is one taken with my 90mm three images stitched maximum shift each direction
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    Thanks very much Stanley! It's very nice. Pramote

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Until a scumbag stole it, my 90 HR was arguably my sharpest lens until I got the 32HR. I know that the 90 HRSW is ‘better’ but the bar was already set pretty high.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Until a scumbag stole it, my 90 HR was arguably my sharpest lens until I got the 32HR. I know that the 90 HRSW is ‘better’ but the bar was already set pretty high.
    I'm sorry to hear that!
    It's great to hear your opinion about the 90 HR. I know in my heart the 90 HRSW is better but several thousands difference in price is very hard to justify.

    Thanks very much Graham.

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    All I’ll add is that if you have the 32HR then the 90HRSW is the quality twin. If you can afford it I’d get it as you’ll likely always be second guessing and the 90HRSW is all that it’s been described as. The differences are not huge but if quality is your benchmark then you’ll know that with the 90HRSW the only limit to your photo quality is YOU.

    sorry, Dante speaking ... but if you are shooting tech then quality is everything.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    All I’ll add is that if you have the 32HR then the 90HRSW is the quality twin. If you can afford it I’d get it as you’ll likely always be second guessing and the 90HRSW is all that it’s been described as. The differences are not huge but if quality is your benchmark then you’ll know that with the 90HRSW the only limit to your photo quality is YOU.

    sorry, Dante speaking ... but if you are shooting tech then quality is everything.
    Graham,

    You are very dangerous! I have to try to stay away from you

    The only lens I've had, which took my breath away when I first tried was the 32 HR. It is not only sharp but also has 3D look into it. That's why the 90HRSW is the only lens which has been in my mind for years.

    I think tech cameras and lenses turn out to be the most cost effective camera equipments and hold values quite well. The DSLR and DB values drop like a new car. No one wants the DF+IQ180 anymore!

    Thank you very much for your dangerous advice

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    It is a night and day difference. The Yellow ring one is *far* better. Probably the best digital MF stitching lens out there, bar none. It's effectively welded to my Alpa Max.

    I've owned all 3 90mm lenses for Tech cameras, blue and yellow Roddies, and the Schneider 90/4.5. The blue ring Roddie was the one I quickly got rid of. (I kept the SK 90mm also, as its smaller and lighter for travel, but doesn't do big stitches, good for movements, and maybe a 2-way)

    There's a reason why Rodenstock redesigned the blue ring 90mm lens... it simply wasn't up to high level digital tech requirements. The blue ring 70mm however is very decent, and consequently Rodenstock have not redesigned/updated that.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    It is a night and day difference. The Yellow ring one is *far* better. Probably the best digital MF stitching lens out there, bar none. It's effectively welded to my Alpa Max.

    I've owned all 3 90mm lenses for Tech cameras, blue and yellow Roddies, and the Schneider 90/4.5. The blue ring Roddie was the one I quickly got rid of. (I kept the SK 90mm also, as its smaller and lighter for travel, but doesn't do big stitches, good for movements, and maybe a 2-way)

    There's a reason why Rodenstock redesigned the blue ring 90mm lens... it simply wasn't up to high level digital tech requirements. The blue ring 70mm however is very decent, and consequently Rodenstock have not redesigned/updated that.
    Thank you very much! It's good to hear from someone who has used all 3 90mm lenses. Pramote

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I have the 90HRSW. While it maybe sharper, I think the bigger difference is the image circle - significantly larger than the older version.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    My blue ring 90mm was lost by the courier on was back to Rodenstock for repair 😞 It was an amazing lens, save for the flare which showed up when not using a shade on overcast days. On 60mpx it was amazing far out into IC. Hard to see how new version could be sharper.

    Anyone got one they're selling? (I'm poor but dreams are free...)
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    I have the 90HRSW. While it maybe sharper, I think the bigger difference is the image circle - significantly larger than the older version.
    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    My blue ring 90mm was lost by the courier on was back to Rodenstock for repair �� It was an amazing lens, save for the flare which showed up when not using a shade on overcast days. On 60mpx it was amazing far out into IC. Hard to see how new version could be sharper.

    Anyone got one they're selling? (I'm poor but dreams are free...)
    Thanks very much tjv & jagsiva!

    Do you know what the image circles of both the 90 HRSW and the older version are?


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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I have an old Rodenstock lens pdf that shows the 90hr-w having a 125mm IC. The new 90hr-sw brochure shows 120mm. I put the old brochure (90hr-w) pdf up on my website:
    Rodenstock_lenses_E.pdf

    Here is a link to the updated brochure w/ 90hr-sw (through Alpa's website):
    Rodenstock Digital Lenses.pdf

    If you believe in graphs, hr-sw has:
    Better MTF
    About the same vignetting
    Worse distortion
    Slightly worse chromatic aberration (!)

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    I have an old Rodenstock lens pdf that shows the 90hr-w having a 125mm IC. The new 90hr-sw brochure shows 120mm. I put the old brochure (90hr-w) pdf up on my website:
    Rodenstock_lenses_E.pdf

    Here is a link to the updated brochure (through Alpa's website):
    Rodenstock Digital Lenses.pdf

    If you believe in graphs, hr-sw has:
    Better MTF
    About the same vignetting
    Worse distortion
    Slightly worse chromatic aberration (!)

    Dave
    Thanks so much!! These information is very helpful.
    Please correct me if I'm wrong. The image circle of the older generation is slightly LARGER than the 90 HRSW from this information.
    Can the distortion and CA be corrected in the Capture One?

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by Landscapelover View Post
    Thanks so much!! These information is very helpful.
    Please correct me if I'm wrong. The image circle of the older generation is slightly LARGER than the 90 HRSW from this information.
    Can the distortion and CA be corrected in the Capture One?

    Best

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    According to their brochure, that is correct. However, the new version is sharper out at the edges, so probably has a wider usable IC. Of course "usable" is a relative term and depends on a whole lot of factors. I've never seen CA be a problem on the hrsw, so I think it should be easily fixed. I also don't think the distortion would be an issue, but I don't shoot much architecture (yet). Someone else will have to chime in on that one.

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    According to their brochure, that is correct. However, the new version is sharper out at the edges, so probably has a wider usable IC. Of course "usable" is a relative term and depends on a whole lot of factors. I've never seen CA be a problem on the hrsw, so I think it should be easily fixed. I also don't think the distortion would be an issue, but I don't shoot much architecture (yet). Someone else will have to chime in on that one.

    Dave
    It's great to know. Look like you've used longer more than wide-angle lens with your works (which were always remarkable).

    Thanks very much for sharing!
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    Re: Rodenstock 90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I'm just resurfacing this thread with this question:

    How much distortion does the Rodenstock 90mm HR Digaron W (Older generation) show?
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Hi peter,
    the older 90 mm has a classic symmetric lensdesign. that means that the lens have no visible distortion.
    the newer 90 mm SW has a retrofocus lensdesign. As a retrofocus lens it will have always some distortion, even very less for retrofocus lens.
    At this point the older will be the winner- you cant change the physical rules.

    Rodenstock put only the older 90 mm and the 70 mm, so only the 2 lenses, of the older Apo Sironar Digital lenses to the new Digaron W HR series, as lenses that can resolve new high end chips.
    The new digaron SW 90 mm is even sharper at wide open and deliver bigger movements but the old one is still a good performer. I could test both and I stayed with the old one ( have two of them).



    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    I'm just resurfacing this thread with this question:

    How much distortion does the Rodenstock 90mm HR Digaron W*(Older generation) show?

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    No distortion at all
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I thought all Rodenstock optics in the HR magenta band were retrofocus design. The HR-SW was a totally new design also retrofocus. Schneider’s optics are symmetrical lens designs. All the way to the 120mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    I thought all Rodenstock optics in the HR magenta band were retrofocus design. The HR-SW was a totally new design also retrofocus. Schneider’s optics are symmetrical lens designs. All the way to the 120mm.

    Paul C
    The older 90 mm was called Apo Sironar digital 5,6/90 mm and it was not a HR lens.
    HR lenses were 23, 28, 35, 60, 70, 180.
    After developing new HR lenses with bigger image circle Rodenstock changes the name to Digaron -W HR.The color changes to blue. So you get Digaron-W HR: 32, 40, 50, 70 (the older magenta), and 90 ( the older magenta).
    rodenstock renamed the 90 mm to digaron W HR not becouse of similar lensdesign, but becouse of the possibility to resolve the new sensors. So the 90 mm is a different lens in the Digaron-W hr group.
    The new Digaron WS is the new retrofocus lens with similar design and behavior like the new generation 32,40,50 mm.
    that means outstanding sharpness even wide open, great sharpness till the end of the image circle, no problems with the color cast, but big and with some distortion.
    The older 90 mm have bigger image circle that the new, but the sharpness out of the center decrease more than the new. this is the difference between the rodenstock retrofocus design and the symetrical. The apo sironar digital lenses that have symmetrical design like schneider are: 35, 45, 55, 100, 120,135,150, 180 ( the non HR version ) and the 210mm.
    The interesting point is that schneider and not rodenstock startet with a retrofocus lens: the older Digitar L 2,8/28mm (60 mm image circle). But they did not continued this way.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Thanks for the info. It's never easy to get info on the tech glass. It's still confusing for me, since as I recall when Rodenstock renamed the 90mm the HR-W, gave it the blue ring, Arca's mount added a slight back extension. Where as the Arca mount for the 90mm Magenta band had none. I have been told it was the same optics, just named. The HR-SW is of course huge, and needs the back extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    It is a night and day difference. The Yellow ring one is *far* better. Probably the best digital MF stitching lens out there, bar none. It's effectively welded to my Alpa Max.

    I've owned all 3 90mm lenses for Tech cameras, blue and yellow Roddies, and the Schneider 90/4.5. The blue ring Roddie was the one I quickly got rid of. (I kept the SK 90mm also, as its smaller and lighter for travel, but doesn't do big stitches, good for movements, and maybe a 2-way)

    There's a reason why Rodenstock redesigned the blue ring 90mm lens... it simply wasn't up to high level digital tech requirements. The blue ring 70mm however is very decent, and consequently Rodenstock have not redesigned/updated that.
    I'll repeat my earlier post above, having owned all three 90mm lenses.

    One update to it: Rodenstock are now re-designing the 70mm, so we can expect a 70mm HR-SW next year.

    (Oh, and prices have gone up by 25% this fall courtesy of tariff's. 'Lenses' was an item randomly thrown into the Boeing-Airbus dispute. Sigh)
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    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    (Oh, and prices have gone up by 25% this fall courtesy of tariff's. 'Lenses' was an item randomly thrown into the Boeing-Airbus dispute. Sigh)
    Thank God I'm living in the EU - at least when it comes to German lenses, Dutch cameras and Danish digital backs
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Thanks for all the info guys. Very helpful.

    I'm still a little lost about what to get (if any) I'm looking at the Rodie 90mm HR Digaron and the SK 90 Apo-Digitar. Price-wise the Rodie is a little more but that wont affect the decision. The new Rodie 90HRSW is out of the equation for the time being.

    Besides landscapes I would be using it for copy work (paintings) and I'm looking at SK 80 Apo-Digitar for that as well, but 90mm fits more natural in my lens line up between SK60XL and SK120 Asph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    Thank God I'm living in the EU - at least when it comes to German lenses, Dutch cameras and Danish digital backs
    'Luckily' it's just lenses and not the rest. It's so random - why a camera lens and not a camera body?

    And yes that includes all Rodenstock and Schneider ones, and (eg) Japanese made but 'German designed' ones, and Alpa mounted 'Swiss' ones.

    A 90mm HRSW is now 25% more to US customers than it was 3 months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    Thanks for all the info guys. Very helpful.

    I'm still a little lost about what to get (if any) I'm looking at the Rodie 90mm HR Digaron and the SK 90 Apo-Digitar. Price-wise the Rodie is a little more but that wont affect the decision. The new Rodie 90HRSW is out of the equation for the time being.

    Besides landscapes I would be using it for copy work (paintings) and I'm looking at SK 80 Apo-Digitar for that as well, but 90mm fits more natural in my lens line up between SK60XL and SK120 Asph.
    The Schneider SK 90mm. It's sharper, faster and lighter. Has a slightly smaller IC, but much better res within that.

    A new aperture only version came out this year, and people re-discovered how good this lens is. Search this forum for big positive comments on it.

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    Peter,
    I have a post somewhere recently that compares the hrs with the sk90. Definitely a difference but not as dramatic as I thought it would be. I agree with Narikin. Little to quibble with the sk90 out to the low 90mm image circle.

    I still have some raw files posted I think.

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    The Schneider SK 90mm. It's sharper, faster and lighter. Has a slightly smaller IC, but much better res within that.

    A new aperture only version came out this year, and people re-discovered how good this lens is. Search this forum for big positive comments on it.
    Thanks, I'm kinda leaning towards the Schneider. As far as I found out it should at least be on par with the Rodie HR so the size and weight is certainly in it's favor. Another point is that I just learned that it can be mounted in Cambo WRS T/S mount which the Rodie can't (T/S).

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    Peter,
    I have a thread somewhere recently that compares the hrs with the sk90. Definitely a difference but not as dramatic as I thought it would be. I agree with Narikin. Little to quibble with the sk90 out to the low 90mm image circle.

    I still have some raw files posted I think.

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    Thanks Dave, I'll see if I can dig up the thread.

    Peter

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I scaled the W graphs (Red) and overlaid them on the SW.

    *Note the magnification difference in the MTF chart: W at .08x and SW at infinity, so not really comparable, but I did it anyway.

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    'Luckily' it's just lenses and not the rest. It's so random - why a camera lens and not a camera body?

    And yes that includes all Rodenstock and Schneider ones, and (eg) Japanese made but 'German designed' ones, and Alpa mounted 'Swiss' ones.

    A 90mm HRSW is now 25% more to US customers than it was 3 months ago.
    And the real sad issue, IMO is that odds are that will stay the price. Tarriffs will be dropped, but all the consumer products that were increased in price, tend to stay there. Just like DJI products will continue to stay at the current tariff inflated price.

    Also, I will assume if the lens cost increases 25%, you can expect the mounting cost to increase also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    Another point is that I just learned that it can be mounted in Cambo WRS T/S mount which the Rodie can't (T/S).
    I am not sure about older 90HR's ability to be mounted in Cambo WRS T/S mount, 90HRSW certainly can be mounted in T/S because I have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    Thanks Dave, I'll see if I can dig up the thread.

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    Peter,
    I just realized I left off a "w" when I wrote, "90 hrs with..." I meant the HRSW. If I gave you the impression I compared the earlier hr version (which you are really asking about), I apologize.

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    Peter,
    I just realized I left off a "w" when I wrote, "90 hrs with..." I meant the HRSW. If I gave you the impression I compared the earlier hr version (which you are really asking about), I apologize.

    Dave
    No worries Dave, I have more or less decided to go for the Schneider 90mm. But thanks anyway :-)

    Peter

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    I think the MTF graph for the 90 SW is actually for f-stop 8. According the Rodenstock spec sheet for the 90 SW, the first MTF shown is titled f-stop 4, but the 90 SW is a f5.6 lens. The first graph is probably for f5.6 and the next one is probably f8. Nonetheless, according to the MTF graphs at the same resolution and f8, the Rodie 90 SW is still better than the SK 90, but not by a big amount IMHO.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Ok, I have decided to go for a Schneider 90mm Apo-Digitar 4.5. Have found one in what looks like a Schneider aperture mount but can't really figure the thin ring out. I suppose it is removable? Can one of you tell me something about this?
    I am thinking to have it mounted in Cambo WRS mount and would of course need to add a helical.
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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkibiades View Post
    The older 90 mm was called Apo Sironar digital 5,6/90 mm and it was not a HR lens.
    HR lenses were 23, 28, 35, 60, 70, 180.
    After developing new HR lenses with bigger image circle Rodenstock changes the name to Digaron -W HR.The color changes to blue. So you get Digaron-W HR: 32, 40, 50, 70 (the older magenta), and 90 ( the older magenta).
    rodenstock renamed the 90 mm to digaron W HR not becouse of similar lensdesign, but becouse of the possibility to resolve the new sensors. So the 90 mm is a different lens in the Digaron-W hr group.
    Some of this information above by user Alkibiades is 100% incorrect, and this subject has been discussed extensively previously on this forum, I suggest you search for it.

    The Cliff Notes: Per Rodenstock directly, the 90mm APO Sironar is indeed an "HR" lens and is EXACTLY the same lens as the Blue ring 90mm HR-W. Exactly the same lens with only the color of ring and name changing. This information is spelled out clearly in Rodenstock's own literature. Essentially the 90mm APO Sironar was already a "better" lens than the others in the APO Sironar group, so when they moved to the HR-W Blue ring series they kept the 90mm exactly as it was previously, only "rebadging" it.

    The proof is always in the pudding; Ive tested two copies of the 90mm APO Sironar with the IQ4 (150) and an object level target and shooting with it stitching images at up to 12mm of shift. It is an excellent lens and in every way comparable to the Rodenstock's best. Is the new 90mm HR-SW yellow band better? I don't know and don't care to purchase one as it's 6x the price ($1,500 vs $9,000), heavier, and requires a rear extension tube on my Arca R.

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Peter,
    It is hard to tell; mine is mounted on a Rodenstock helical, and there is only about 1/16" between the bottom of the front barrel (the part that says "Lens made in Germany") and the front face of the helical. The back of my lens has the usual lens nut that requires a spanner wrench. The ring just behind that nut on the back is the back face of the helical with the usual 3-screw mount. On my lens, it looks like the helical is mounted in front of that thin ring but I don't see it behind the helical either. I wonder if that was for an enlarger mount? I don't know.

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    Re: Rodenstock*90mm f/5.6 HR Digaron-W/SW Lens VS The previous generation

    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    Peter,
    It is hard to tell; mine is mounted on a Rodenstock helical, and there is only about 1/16" between the bottom of the front barrel (the part that says "Lens made in Germany") and the front face of the helical. The back of my lens has the usual lens nut that requires a spanner wrench. The ring just behind that nut on the back is the back face of the helical with the usual 3-screw mount. On my lens, it looks like the helical is mounted in front of that thin ring but I don't see it behind the helical either. I wonder if that was for an enlarger mount? I don't know.

    Dave
    Dave,
    I solved the mystery. It is simply the retainer ring used to fasten the lens to a lens plate or helical

    Peter

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