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It kind of depends on what the definition of "the standard" is. If it's weight and portability while maintaining excellent image quality then those two absolutely set a new standard. If it's all out resolution and the best image quality money can buy then Phase and Hasselblad (H-series) still win hands down.
Hi John,If Phase One manages an EVF for the XF, it won't be compatible with the current digital backs. I have the Trichromatic and its live view frame rate is 30 FPS. If in good daylight the view is fine. But at the light drops, the frame rate drops. I think it drops all the way to 2 FPS. For the studio I need to get new monolights that have the 300 watt modeling bulbs, because the 100 watts aren't feeding LV enough light for a good FPS. So, imaging an EVF with frame rate would be a pretty bad (aka - useless) user experience.
I'm not bad-mouthing Phase One per-se, just saying that I do not foresee the current crop of Phase One CMOS backs playing nice with an EVF. So if something EVF based comes along (from Phase One), it might be something more like the X1D (the all-in-one design), or we're going to find out that we need to a big-time upgrade to a next generation Phase One back.
After using the XF for awhile - the features and ergonomic thought that went into it, I think Phase could do excellent X1D competitor if they wanted to. If they go that route, I really-really-really want to see is use the 4.41 MP EVF that Leica uses in the SL. By far, that's best EVF I've used.
Another thing I would want to see is the Trichromatic filter / imaging pipeline. I'm not entirely thrilled with the Trichromatic's live view, but in terms of the color coming off the sensor, very happy with that part.
I’d assume the 2019 date was for availability for mass production with Phase One, Hasselblad, Fuji, and maybe Pentax all using the same sensor in their cameras. Fuji seemed to be pretty prompt and smooth with their GFX rollout.Hi John,
You bring up an interesting point, i.e. the 30fps on the Live View for IQ3100 backs. I thought that the 50MP chip used by Fuji/P1/and Hasselblad also had the same 30fps. but they still offer a EVF, at least Fuji and Hasselblad. I had just assumed the Live spec on the 100MP would be about the same, but it's hard really find much data on it at least for me.
The IQ250, which I used for quite a while and the IQ150 both offered amazing low light Live View, so much that even Alpa made a blog post about it years ago. I agree that the Live View on the 100Mp in low light even with a faster (F 3.5) lens is still not the best in very low light, and probably not quite as bright as the IQ250 was. But I still find it for me outdoor work, sunsets, early am easier to use than say the D810 Live View from Nikon as P1 pumps quite a bit of brightness into the screen at least on the LCD of the back.
Back to the OP, based on the fact now it seems no 100MP 44:33 from at least Fuji till 2019, the pressure on P1 is not what I had assumed it to be. If the 100Mp cameras were coming mid 2018, things might be a bit different. As for Fuji it seems 100MP may be announced at Pkina 2018, shipping sometime 1st qtr 2019. I base this on Fujirumors posts on the subject. Author of that site tends to get things pretty accurate. I was surprised by the 2019 timeline as I felt the chip was closer to being ready.
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IMO P1's issue is not getting an EVF to work, it's figuring out lenses. Hasselblad to their credit brought out an entire new lineup to work with their solution. Fuji had no choice but to make all new lenses. P1 HAS great glass, but it's all massive and heavy. It will easily work with a smaller 44:33 sensor, but if P1 is working towards a more modern body, odds are it will be much lighter in mass than the XF, thus the current lenses (which could easily be made to work on a new mirrorless body with an adapter) would not be overall the best solution due to their weight which would way out balance a mirrorless body like the X1D or GFX.
Paul Caldwell
If Phase One manages an EVF for the XF, it won't be compatible with the current digital backs. I have the Trichromatic and its live view frame rate is 30 FPS. If in good daylight the view is fine. But at the light drops, the frame rate drops. I think it drops all the way to 2 FPS. For the studio I need to get new monolights that have the 300 watt modeling bulbs, because the 100 watts aren't feeding LV enough light for a good FPS. So, imaging an EVF with frame rate would be a pretty bad (aka - useless) user experience.
I'm not bad-mouthing Phase One per-se, just saying that I do not foresee the current crop of Phase One CMOS backs playing nice with an EVF. So if something EVF based comes along (from Phase One), it might be something more like the X1D (the all-in-one design), or we're going to find out that we need to a big-time upgrade to a next generation Phase One back.
After using the XF for awhile - the features and ergonomic thought that went into it, I think Phase could do excellent X1D competitor if they wanted to. If they go that route, I really-really-really want to see is use the 4.41 MP EVF that Leica uses in the SL. By far, that's best EVF I've used.
Another thing I would want to see is the Trichromatic filter / imaging pipeline. I'm not entirely thrilled with the Trichromatic's live view, but in terms of the color coming off the sensor, very happy with that part.
I can't help but feel the GFX and X1D now set the standard for medium format.
That leaves Phase One in a precarious position.
Do you think we will soon see an X1D sort of model from Phase One any time soon?
with film, don't forgot the finder
Weight comparisons between my studio product APS-C setup and my MF square format film setup with preferred lenses.[/CENTER]
Kind regards,
Darr
I do not use a finder; I use a bubble level. If I am shooting film with the TC, it is in collaboration with the digital back.with film, don't forgot the finder
They set a new standard for medium format mirrorless for sure. But for someone like myself that wants to use particular lenses and accessories, the smorgasbord ability still belongs to digital backs, tech camera bodies, and the like. I laugh when I think the ALPA TC may be considered a tech cam when all it really is, is a bracket, but oh what a photographer can do with that bracket! I recently posted these pics on a blog to show medium format does not have to be heavy, and how versatile my little TC is. I am able to shoot my favorite Schneider lenses with film and digital, plus my favorite format is the square. So for me, the TC did set a new standard that the mirrorless ones cannot do (yet), plus is lightweight.
My typical landscape setup with the SK 35xl, Hasselblad CFV50c and sample image.
Weight comparisons between my studio product APS-C setup and my MF square format film setup with preferred lenses.
Kind regards,
Darr
Erik,Hi Darr,
I always regarded a technical camera to be a mirrorless device. Why? Because it has no mirror! ...
Erik