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iPad Pro _ Hasselblad

jerome_m

Member
It's really not worth arguing with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. I worked for Apple for many years, and was a technical writer documenting Apple iOS development tools, processes, APIs, and development procedures for the last five years of that. You don't know what you're talking about.

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I am sorry to have participated in that discussion. I did not know it was reserved to specialists.
 

PeterA

Well-known member
I am sorry to have participated in that discussion. I did not know it was reserved to specialists.
I wouldn't take one poster's aggro as meaning much - it is the internet - everyone is a genius and a Picasso! and played in the SuperBowl too.

You need a sense of humour and ignore aggressive chest puffing personality types.
 

Godfrey

Well-known member
Ah, so we move to ad hominem horsepucky now, rather than a serious and credible discussion of the technology involved.

... Yes, this is the internet.

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BostonBoy

New member
I've looked at your solution below. Doesn't all these devices require a specific App on the iPhone/iPad to read the data and transfer it (which means you are now at the mercy of the App Vendor if and how you get your RAW data back...). To the best of my knowledge iOS does not allow (natively) to transfer the data back to an external device, and forces you to either use iTunes or iCloud to do so. Now these Apple engineers went to so far to make an standard USB-C Interface on the new iPad Pro (I just bought the 1TB Version for the very same reason - a good mobile backup and field solution) and made it UNIDIRECTIONAL!! Can you believe it. The security argument is total bullshit in my book, I'm an engineer myself (I can read data / viruses from my HD or external device but I can't write them back to a hard drive?! BS).

I was pretty feed up after walking with my new ~2400 Euro solution into the Apple Store and (that's what a full fletched iPad Pro 12''9 w/ keyboard and Pen costs over here with Tax) and all these "Geniuses" told me I can't get my data back...unless I buy into the iCloud Data Plan. That's simply ridicolous in this day and age. The whole attractiveness of using the iPad Pro with Photo RAW and/or Affinity in the field (directly on the Nikon Z7 or with a card reader from the X1D) gets diminished by not being able to get your (RAW) data back out, or having to buy into a Cloud Plan (Apple or Adobe in the future) for Synchronisation. I neither want to pay a monthly fee for MY DATA, nor do I want MY DATA out there in the Cloud, held hostage for future renewals…

I really hope Apple starts to see the light and not just as USB-C port hardware, but enables it for both READ and WRITE operations.


You CAN READ OR WRITE TO EXTERNAL MEDIA with the iPad/iPhone!

There are many ways to export/import files to external media. I often wonder, why nobody knows the trick. I use this solution for YEARS! I never used iTunes for this...

There are many good solutions, especially from RAVPower like:
https://www.amazon.de/Speicherkarte...0&sr=1-9-catcorr&keywords=Wlan+usb+hotspot+sd

Or this one:
https://www.amazon.de/RAVPower-Kart...EW1YQ4VJ920&psc=1&refRID=7YDDCKFTVEW1YQ4VJ920

I use the older model RP-WD01 for years without any problems with SD-Cards, USB-sticks and Hard-drives up to 2TB (!).
This way you can import or export many formats (wave, mp3, jpg, docs, mp4, ...) inside many apps (i.e. with open-in). You have to use a iOS filehub-app to manage your files. These are ‚FileHub Plus‘ or ‚RAV Filehub‘.

There are some videos on YouTube like:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eMVUXWm2UPo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vlByiZ23oZw

I hope, this solve your problems.
 

sog1927

Member
I dunno: The Internet is certainly the land of many varied opinions, but I think I'd take the opinion of a former long-term Apple employee and IOS internals expert over the ramblings of some random individual when it comes to the capabilities of the iPad Pro and the difficulty of implementing one or more specific features on it. ;)
 

gmfotografie

Well-known member
get my apple sd card reader and import the x1d files without any problems. files are stored in the foto app and can be edited by afinityphoto easily,
 

bab

Active member
The only real usage of the iPad in the field would be to correct the raw files to obtain the best in camera image eliminating unnecessary PP.
Have Phocus show a per channel RAW Histogram.
Have Phocus allow focus bracketing.
Have Phocus allow same image HRD.
Have Phocus show actual DR
Have Phocus show long exposure RAW Histogram.
Have Phocus show a real contrast focus mask.
Have Phocus allow continuous bracketing user defined up to five stops in either direction or just in one direction in 1/3, 1/2 or full stops.
 

mristuccia

Well-known member
Maybe a bit off topic but personally, after having evaluated the idea of an iPad for a while, I got tired of its limitations and ended up with a MacBook Pro 13'. It is so thin and lightweight nowadays that I can take it almost wherever I would have taken an iPad Pro, with the advantage of being able to do any PP work till the end. A MacBook Air would probaly be good as well.
My two cents.
 
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Godfrey

Well-known member
Maybe a bit off topic, but personally, after having evaluated the idea of an iPad for a while, I got tired of its limitations and ended up with a MacBook Pro 13'. It is so thin and lightweight nowadays that I can take it almost wherever I would have taken an iPad Pro, with the advantage of being able to do any PP work till the end. A McBook Air would probaly be good as well.
My two cents.
It's all in what works for you.

I went the other way ... have transitioned from my MacBook Pro and MacBook Air to the iPad Pro 11-inch ... for my mobility needs. And find it works very well for what *I* do. My macOS system is now used almost entirely for the heavy duty image processing and such that I do only at home.

But not all solutions fit all individuals. :D

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ndwgolf

Active member
I just now opened a 3FR file in Lightroom on my iPad and edited it just fine.

Matt
Matt I can do that too but when I import my 3FF RAW files into my IPP the thumbnails have question marks in them, if I click on the thumbnail it says there are no programs on my IPP that can open these files but LRcc opens them fine?

Neil
 

Godfrey

Well-known member
Maybe Apple's plan with the Ipad is to make sure that photographers edit their work properly ( delete most of it) before saving it - and maybe the expense of ICLoud/DropBox and other such 'services' is a way to ensure better editorial standards by imposing a very high user pays 'tax' on rubbish. Maybe the advent of 5G over the next few years will increase upload/download speeds to the extent that makes these cloud devices something more than the useless bling they are today. I'm hoping so - so I am investing in adding my own 'cloud storage' systems on my own networks.

It doesn't cost that much ladies and gents.:thumbup:
I dunno, Peter. My iPad Pro 11" has a state-of-the-art multicore processor, 6G of RAM, and a terabyte of storage in it. It connects to anything I need to connect it to, and moves data around pretty darn fast. I'd hardly call that specification "a useless bling" ... It's more powerful than any of the desktop systems I owned for 35 of the past forty years, and I got a tremendous amount of work done with those systems. I get a tremendous amount of what I want to do done with the iPad today. For instance, 20 of the last 30 photographs I finished, printed, and posted were edited with it...

Useless bling are things that I buy that end up sitting in a drawer because they don't work but look pretty. That's not the case with this machine.

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hcubell

Well-known member
Since there are a number of people on this thread that are knowledgeable about integrating an iPad Pro into their workflow, I have what I think are a couple of pretty basic questions. I use LR Classic on my desktop to catalog all of my files that sit in separate folders on multiple external hard drives. I would like to use my iPad to review/sort the images on my desktop version of LR Classic. My understanding is that I need to organize them into Collections in LR Classic on my desktop and then snyc the Collections to LR CC Mobile on my iPad. Is this correct? Do the ratings that I apply to images sync back to LR Classic? Same if I want to move images out of a Collection? How about tonal and color adjustments that I might do on the iPad? (Probably a bad idea, as the iPad is not as "accurate" as my desktop.)
Thanks.
 

jerome_m

Member
I dunno, Peter. My iPad Pro 11" has a state-of-the-art multicore processor, 6G of RAM, and a terabyte of storage in it. It connects to anything I need to connect it to, and moves data around pretty darn fast. I'd hardly call that specification "a useless bling" ... It's more powerful than any of the desktop systems I owned for 35 of the past forty years, and I got a tremendous amount of work done with those systems. I get a tremendous amount of what I want to do done with the iPad today. For instance, 20 of the last 30 photographs I finished, printed, and posted were edited with it...

Useless bling are things that I buy that end up sitting in a drawer because they don't work but look pretty. That's not the case with this machine.

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The iPad hardware is brilliant, no doubt about that. The software for it compares favourably to the best of what is available on desktops.

It is just that Apple put some little restrictions on their part of the software which are so frustrating... It seems that they are set up to force users to use wireless everything while wires are 10 times faster.
 

Godfrey

Well-known member
The iPad hardware is brilliant, no doubt about that. The software for it compares favourably to the best of what is available on desktops.

It is just that Apple put some little restrictions on their part of the software which are so frustrating... It seems that they are set up to force users to use wireless everything while wires are 10 times faster.
It's part and parcel of the notion that these are supposed to be "convenient, mobile" devices. Wireless connection is, in general, much more convenient for a mobile device than any kind of wired connection can be.

Not that I think all the current restrictions of iOS are desirable (or even truly intended! Many are simply side effects of another goal, anunintended consequence of other priorities, etc ...). But considering a device made for mobility and convenience in the same way as a device designed for speed and wired connectivity exposes/exaggerates certain issues due to the very nature of the device's intent.

The camera manufacturers participate in this "wireless is better" idiom for mobile and field use as well. Why did it take so long for the X1D system to have a wired remote release, for instance? The X1D app had remote release the first day the camera shipped. The assumption is that for field work, a wireless control is more convenient and useful, where in fact it often isn't.

(Leica has the same issue going on with their excellent CL ... there isn't even a port that can be suborned into the role of doing a wired release like there is with the X1D, I've kluged up a solution for a remote release that works because, essentially, it's just a heck of a lot simpler and more convenient to have a cable release when I'm doing copy work than to have to sync and drive the camera with a WiFi tethered release... never mind that I get three times the battery life with a cable release as well!)

As Albert Einstein once said:
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler.
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Perfection of means and confusion of ends seems to characterize our age.
- Albert Einstein
 

Hausen

Active member
Thanks for the knowledge Godfrey. I have been bouncing between my iPad Pro 12.9 and my MacBook Pro 15 for awhile now and I love reading posts from those in the know. Keep it coming.

It's part and parcel of the notion that these are supposed to be "convenient, mobile" devices. Wireless connection is, in general, much more convenient for a mobile device than any kind of wired connection can be.

Not that I think all the current restrictions of iOS are desirable (or even truly intended! Many are simply side effects of another goal, anunintended consequence of other priorities, etc ...). But considering a device made for mobility and convenience in the same way as a device designed for speed and wired connectivity exposes/exaggerates certain issues due to the very nature of the device's intent.

The camera manufacturers participate in this "wireless is better" idiom for mobile and field use as well. Why did it take so long for the X1D system to have a wired remote release, for instance? The X1D app had remote release the first day the camera shipped. The assumption is that for field work, a wireless control is more convenient and useful, where in fact it often isn't.

(Leica has the same issue going on with their excellent CL ... there isn't even a port that can be suborned into the role of doing a wired release like there is with the X1D, I've kluged up a solution for a remote release that works because, essentially, it's just a heck of a lot simpler and more convenient to have a cable release when I'm doing copy work than to have to sync and drive the camera with a WiFi tethered release... never mind that I get three times the battery life with a cable release as well!)

As Albert Einstein once said:


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Perfection of means and confusion of ends seems to characterize our age.
- Albert Einstein
 

Godfrey

Well-known member
One can access a mass storage device connected via USB on Android devices which are "mobile" devices as well.
Sure. But that doesn't mean anything. Android OS has nowhere near the security of iOS and is a frequent victim of virus attacks and reliability failures. It's also not consistent across devices, the way iOS is.

Apple could support the same thing ... by disabling the securities that net a near-zero successful attacks history on iOS. For the vast majority of users, this would be a bad thing.

No OS is perfect, of course. If you prefer an Android device, and it does what you want, buy one and use it ... deal with its problems. Same for an iOS device.

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