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    The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    I'm a fan of many camera manufacturers: Nikon, Sony, Leica, Phase, Alpa—all have a special place in my heart, and each has filled (and continues to fill) a unique niche in the history of my enjoyment of photography.

    The Fuji GFX100, from the early hands-on reviews, looks to be a very impressive camera. The AF and auto-eye AF have received a lot of praise for being fast and accurate. 5 fps speed and other features uncommon in medium format digital photography are also great to see.

    I love Phase One for many reasons—their devotion to ultimate image quality, the simple fact that they currently make the world's best (for me) digital back in the IQ4-150, and my experience with DT as a Phase One dealer have all been positive.

    In addition to continuing to debug and expand the functionality of the IQ4-150 back through firmware releases, my hope is that Phase One will release a mirrorless, svelte "XF2 body" in the not-too-distant future that brings better and more flexible AF, smaller size (thanks to the lack of a mirror and prism), and other nimble features such as those in the best Sony and Fuji mirrorless bodies. Such changes would substantially increase the scope, capabilities, and customer base of Phase photography.

    In theory Phase is well-positioned to realize this goal, since their system is already highly modular, and the body is actually among the less-pricey components of a Phase system. So simply updating the body could breathe new life and excitement into their already-world-class backs and lenses.

    A pipe dream? Or something already in the works at Phase?
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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    Considering that P1 still has a lot of issues left to fix on the IQ4, most of them have been there since day 1, I would rather they focus on that before anything else.

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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

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    Considering that P1 still has a lot of issues left to fix on the IQ4, most of them have been there since day 1, I would rather they focus on that before anything else.

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    Considering that P1 still has a lot of issues left to fix on the IQ4, most of them have been there since day 1, I would rather they focus on that before anything else.

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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    Quote Originally Posted by onasj View Post
    I'm a fan of many camera manufacturers: Nikon, Sony, Leica, Phase, Alpa—all have a special place in my heart, and each has filled (and continues to fill) a unique niche in the history of my enjoyment of photography.

    The Fuji GFX100, from the early hands-on reviews, looks to be a very impressive camera. The AF and auto-eye AF have received a lot of praise for being fast and accurate. 5 fps speed and other features uncommon in medium format digital photography are also great to see.

    I love Phase One for many reasons—their devotion to ultimate image quality, the simple fact that they currently make the world's best (for me) digital back in the IQ4-150, and my experience with DT as a Phase One dealer have all been positive.

    In addition to continuing to debug and expand the functionality of the IQ4-150 back through firmware releases, my hope is that Phase One will release a mirrorless, svelte "XF2 body" in the not-too-distant future that brings better and more flexible AF, smaller size (thanks to the lack of a mirror and prism), and other nimble features such as those in the best Sony and Fuji mirrorless bodies. Such changes would substantially increase the scope, capabilities, and customer base of Phase photography.

    In theory Phase is well-positioned to realize this goal, since their system is already highly modular, and the body is actually among the less-pricey components of a Phase system. So simply updating the body could breathe new life and excitement into their already-world-class backs and lenses.

    A pipe dream? Or something already in the works at Phase?
    Would you pay 5x the price of a Fuji mirrorless for a Phase One?
    Can P1 compete with Fuji?
    Did Hasselblad make a profit selling their mirrorless camera?
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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    Quote Originally Posted by onasj View Post
    I'm a fan of many camera manufacturers: Nikon, Sony, Leica, Phase, Alpa—all have a special place in my heart, and each has filled (and continues to fill) a unique niche in the history of my enjoyment of photography.

    The Fuji GFX100, from the early hands-on reviews, looks to be a very impressive camera. The AF and auto-eye AF have received a lot of praise for being fast and accurate. 5 fps speed and other features uncommon in medium format digital photography are also great to see.

    I love Phase One for many reasons—their devotion to ultimate image quality, the simple fact that they currently make the world's best (for me) digital back in the IQ4-150, and my experience with DT as a Phase One dealer have all been positive.

    In addition to continuing to debug and expand the functionality of the IQ4-150 back through firmware releases, my hope is that Phase One will release a mirrorless, svelte "XF2 body" in the not-too-distant future that brings better and more flexible AF, smaller size (thanks to the lack of a mirror and prism), and other nimble features such as those in the best Sony and Fuji mirrorless bodies. Such changes would substantially increase the scope, capabilities, and customer base of Phase photography.

    In theory Phase is well-positioned to realize this goal, since their system is already highly modular, and the body is actually among the less-pricey components of a Phase system. So simply updating the body could breathe new life and excitement into their already-world-class backs and lenses.

    A pipe dream? Or something already in the works at Phase?
    IMHO. since Phase abandoned Small MF and left Fuji to reign as king of the Small MF market (leaving Hassy out of the mix for now) including supporting Fuji's SMF cameras in C1, I do not see Phase developing a svelte system on the Large MF platform since to me the word svelte contradicts Large MF. However I could certainly be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onasj View Post
    I'm a fan of many camera manufacturers: Nikon, Sony, Leica, Phase, Alpa—all have a special place in my heart, and each has filled (and continues to fill) a unique niche in the history of my enjoyment of photography.

    The Fuji GFX100, from the early hands-on reviews, looks to be a very impressive camera. The AF and auto-eye AF have received a lot of praise for being fast and accurate. 5 fps speed and other features uncommon in medium format digital photography are also great to see.

    I love Phase One for many reasons—their devotion to ultimate image quality, the simple fact that they currently make the world's best (for me) digital back in the IQ4-150, and my experience with DT as a Phase One dealer have all been positive.

    In addition to continuing to debug and expand the functionality of the IQ4-150 back through firmware releases, my hope is that Phase One will release a mirrorless, svelte "XF2 body" in the not-too-distant future that brings better and more flexible AF, smaller size (thanks to the lack of a mirror and prism), and other nimble features such as those in the best Sony and Fuji mirrorless bodies. Such changes would substantially increase the scope, capabilities, and customer base of Phase photography.

    In theory Phase is well-positioned to realize this goal, since their system is already highly modular, and the body is actually among the less-pricey components of a Phase system. So simply updating the body could breathe new life and excitement into their already-world-class backs and lenses.

    A pipe dream? Or something already in the works at Phase?
    I for one would really love that. Overall weight/size and not-great AF are really the only functional issues that I have with their cameras. I think I am not alone and they must know these are the parameters (+cost!) that they lose on. I think they could address size/weight pretty well by embracing mirrorless design, but I worry that decent AF will not be possible to achieve since none of their backs (IQ4 included) have focus pixels (like pretty much all other mirrorless cameras).

    If I were them I would be investigating an as-lightweight-as-possible mirrorless body which *kept* the same lens mount/flange distance (compatibility at the cost of 4 cm). Build good modes into the IQ back to shoot directly with LCD, or perhaps build a lightweight EVF addition. Then augment that body with a couple of smaller lenses compatible with the existing system but explicitly targeted at portability (something like a 50mm f4 and an 80mm f4).

    As you say, probably a pipe dream and there are some technical issues, but the phase folks are clever so I hold out hope that they have something up their sleeve in the future.
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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

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    I for one would really love that. Overall weight/size and not-great AF are really the only functional issues that I have with their cameras. I think I am not alone and they must know these are the parameters (+cost!) that they lose on. I think they could address size/weight pretty well by embracing mirrorless design, but I worry that decent AF will not be possible to achieve since none of their backs (IQ4 included) have focus pixels (like pretty much all other mirrorless cameras).

    If I were them I would be investigating an as-lightweight-as-possible mirrorless body which *kept* the same lens mount/flange distance (compatibility at the cost of 4 cm). Build good modes into the IQ back to shoot directly with LCD, or perhaps build a lightweight EVF addition. Then augment that body with a couple of smaller lenses compatible with the existing system but explicitly targeted at portability (something like a 50mm f4 and an 80mm f4).

    As you say, probably a pipe dream and there are some technical issues, but the phase folks are clever so I hold out hope that they have something up their sleeve in the future.
    I don’t think it will come. I don’t think Phase can manage, modern good AF, new lenses and camera in one go. One just has to look at the horrible IQ4 launch and that was a single (3) new product.... and we are still waiting to get a finished firmware 6 months later.
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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    Exactly. Keep the same flange distance and mount for sure. Almost all the Phase lenses (except maybe the 55) are very good to outstanding, and their Mamiya predecessors were pretty good as well.

    Build a better, more flexible AF module; other manufacturers show that this is doable in a small mirrorless body. Perhaps that’s nothing more than contrast detection on 1% or 0.1% of sensor pixels. Given how well the real-time focus masking (peaking) on the IQ4 back alone works, I hope this might be possible.

    The user interface of the XF is excellent. The IQ4 back is unmatched. The lenses are quite good. Downsize the body by losing the mirror, modernize the AF to match the competitors, and then you’ll have a no-compromises system that fully justifies a no-compromises price.


    Quote Originally Posted by DaveRosenthal View Post
    I for one would really love that. Overall weight/size and not-great AF are really the only functional issues that I have with their cameras. I think I am not alone and they must know these are the parameters (+cost!) that they lose on. I think they could address size/weight pretty well by embracing mirrorless design, but I worry that decent AF will not be possible to achieve since none of their backs (IQ4 included) have focus pixels (like pretty much all other mirrorless cameras).

    If I were them I would be investigating an as-lightweight-as-possible mirrorless body which *kept* the same lens mount/flange distance (compatibility at the cost of 4 cm). Build good modes into the IQ back to shoot directly with LCD, or perhaps build a lightweight EVF addition. Then augment that body with a couple of smaller lenses compatible with the existing system but explicitly targeted at portability (something like a 50mm f4 and an 80mm f4).

    As you say, probably a pipe dream and there are some technical issues, but the phase folks are clever so I hold out hope that they have something up their sleeve in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onasj View Post
    Exactly. Keep the same flange distance and mount for sure. Almost all the Phase lenses (except maybe the 55) are very good to outstanding, and their Mamiya predecessors were pretty good as well.

    Build a better, more flexible AF module; other manufacturers show that this is doable in a small mirrorless body. Perhaps that’s nothing more than contrast detection on 1% or 0.1% of sensor pixels. Given how well the real-time focus masking (peaking) on the IQ4 back alone works, I hope this might be possible.

    The user interface of the XF is excellent. The IQ4 back is unmatched. The lenses are quite good. Downsize the body by losing the mirror, modernize the AF to match the competitors, and then you’ll have a no-compromises system that fully justifies a no-compromises price.
    How is the body going to be “downsized” by removing the mirror box if you maintain the same focal flange distance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    How is the body going to be “downsized” by removing the mirror box if you maintain the same focal flange distance?
    Because the prism VF is large, the part of the body to the right of the optical path is large, and the grip is large.

    I shoot the same lenses on my Alpa TC12 and I can pack the SK 80/2.8 BR + Alpa TC12 + IQ4, all assembled and ready-to-shoot, in a small case that's about half-way between the size of a small Kleenex box and a large Kleenex box (much less space than my Nikon D810 + one small lens occupy!). Of course the Alpa doesn't support AF, but as Sony and Fuji have shown repeatedly, amazing AF doesn't necessitate lots of volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onasj View Post
    Because the prism VF is large, the part of the body to the right of the optical path is large, and the grip is large.

    I shoot the same lenses on my Alpa TC12 and I can pack the SK 80/2.8 BR + Alpa TC12 + IQ4, all assembled and ready-to-shoot, in a small case that's about half-way between the size of a small Kleenex box and a large Kleenex box (much less space than my Nikon D810 + one small lens occupy!). Of course the Alpa doesn't support AF, but as Sony and Fuji have shown repeatedly, amazing AF doesn't necessitate lots of volume.
    The ALPA doesn’t have a viewfinder either. I assume you still want a viewfinder of some sort? And presumably it will go above the space where the mirror box was?

    And the battery that is currently in the grip? Where’s that going to go? The ALPA doesn’t need one of those. Nor does it need a display, nor does it need any dials or buttons - all of which I assume you will want on the hypothetical new Phase One body? They’ve got to be located somewhere.

    The focal flange length for Mamiya 645 is 63.3mm

    For Fuji G it is 26.7mm. For Hasselblad X it is 18mm.

    No camera manufacturer on the planet - to the best of my knowledge - has “gone mirrorless” and kept the same focal flange distance that they had for their legacy mirror-box range.

    Phase One won’t be the first to do it. I’m pretty sure of that.

    There is just no way they would bring out a mirrorless camera whose depth was - at an absolute minimum (and that’s assuming they relocate 50-70% of the depth of the back itself elsewhere in the main camera body) - 45mm more than the Hasselblad, or 37mm more than the Fuji.

    Sketch it out. It would be preposterous.

    /edit

    Just to add some perspective.

    The depth of the entire Fuji GFX body - grip included - is just 103mm. That’s a mere 40mm deeper Phase One’s flange distance.

    The Hasselblad X1D is 71mm deep. It would almost - almost - fit in the space between the sensor and the lens mount on the Phase One.
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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveRosenthal View Post
    I for one would really love that. Overall weight/size and not-great AF are really the only functional issues that I have with their cameras. I think I am not alone and they must know these are the parameters (+cost!) that they lose on. I think they could address size/weight pretty well by embracing mirrorless design, but I worry that decent AF will not be possible to achieve since none of their backs (IQ4 included) have focus pixels (like pretty much all other mirrorless cameras).

    If I were them I would be investigating an as-lightweight-as-possible mirrorless body which *kept* the same lens mount/flange distance (compatibility at the cost of 4 cm). Build good modes into the IQ back to shoot directly with LCD, or perhaps build a lightweight EVF addition. Then augment that body with a couple of smaller lenses compatible with the existing system but explicitly targeted at portability (something like a 50mm f4 and an 80mm f4).

    As you say, probably a pipe dream and there are some technical issues, but the phase folks are clever so I hold out hope that they have something up their sleeve in the future.
    Hi,

    Once you have phase detection on the sensor it could be to make use of that on the XF, presuming that there is a proper communication between the back and the camera.

    You have to wait and see...

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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    Quote Originally Posted by onasj View Post
    I'm a fan of many camera manufacturers: Nikon, Sony, Leica, Phase, Alpa—all have a special place in my heart, and each has filled (and continues to fill) a unique niche in the history of my enjoyment of photography.

    The Fuji GFX100, from the early hands-on reviews, looks to be a very impressive camera. The AF and auto-eye AF have received a lot of praise for being fast and accurate. 5 fps speed and other features uncommon in medium format digital photography are also great to see.

    I love Phase One for many reasons—their devotion to ultimate image quality, the simple fact that they currently make the world's best (for me) digital back in the IQ4-150, and my experience with DT as a Phase One dealer have all been positive.

    In addition to continuing to debug and expand the functionality of the IQ4-150 back through firmware releases, my hope is that Phase One will release a mirrorless, svelte "XF2 body" in the not-too-distant future that brings better and more flexible AF, smaller size (thanks to the lack of a mirror and prism), and other nimble features such as those in the best Sony and Fuji mirrorless bodies. Such changes would substantially increase the scope, capabilities, and customer base of Phase photography.

    In theory Phase is well-positioned to realize this goal, since their system is already highly modular, and the body is actually among the less-pricey components of a Phase system. So simply updating the body could breathe new life and excitement into their already-world-class backs and lenses.

    A pipe dream? Or something already in the works at Phase?
    I don't think it is a pipe dream at all. And while I concur with other posters in my desire to see the firmware improved, I think the tea leaves contain some indication that Phase is working on something that might qualify as "mirrorless," but not in the way we might expect.
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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    [QUOTE=Paul2660;788420]Considering that P1 still has a lot of issues left to fix on the IQ4, most of them have been there since day 1, I would rather they focus on that before anything else.


    Hi and thank you for posting this...

    I have been looking at the Phase one IQ4 with the mono and color backs...Now the GFX100 comes along albeit and smaller sensor..and way less $$$

    If I am interested in prints to 5 feet...Is Phase One still the darling or will this new Fuji close the gap even though they kept sensor the same size as the GFX50? I was out with a Photographer shooting the other day and we discussed Phase One mono back..he said its great advertising but converting to black and white is just as good..

    My concern is the issues you mentioned...and any comments you have regarding photo resolution I would be appreciative.

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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

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    If I was not invested in the Phase One IQ4150 , I would not hesitate getting the 100MP Fuji. I own a50R and it is a wonderful camera and the lenses are also excellent. Printing to 60" is not an issue with most cameras today that have 50 of more MP. You would be surprised at how large native images can be even with 50MP and I often will be more than happy printing at 240 dpi. Heck. 2 Leica 24MP stitched images can easily go to 48" and the considering the overlap the image does not total 50MP.
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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Considering that P1 still has a lot of issues left to fix on the IQ4, most of them have been there since day 1, I would rather they focus on that before anything else.


    Hi and thank you for posting this...

    I have been looking at the Phase one IQ4 with the mono and color backs...Now the GFX100 comes along albeit and smaller sensor..and way less $$$

    If I am interested in prints to 5 feet...Is Phase One still the darling or will this new Fuji close the gap even though they kept sensor the same size as the GFX50? I was out with a Photographer shooting the other day and we discussed Phase One mono back..he said its great advertising but converting to black and white is just as good..

    My concern is the issues you mentioned...and any comments you have regarding photo resolution I would be appreciative.

    Lance
    P1 is surely one of the darlings as you can get a huge file from just the native resolution of the sensor, nothing that approaches 5' (at least I don't think so).

    But with any print of 5 feet I always have to ask, where is it displayed? what is the viewing audience, etc. You can get a 5 foot from from a 46Mp sensor, either by stitching multiple images together, or by using a tool like Topaz Gigapixel (not sure it will go that size) or other interpolation tools.

    But the Fuji @ 100MP will also get there quickly with stitching or software interpolation.

    The key for the Fuji, will be the raw converter software, both LR and C1 hopefully will support it and both do a very good job on the 50MP files from the 50s or 50r. Fuji has excellent optics by most folks standards, and I rarely find any issues with focus shift, however others have pointed it out in a few of the Fuji lenses. But I can get by with any of their optics with no problems. Fuji will be a more hand workable camera with IBIS on the sensor and hopefully Fuji still plans to release a pixel shift type solution later on with firmware, it's been mentioned many times but did not make the actual anno. Time will tell, and again the raw conversion of those files will be critical.

    There are many great solutions out there to get to the size print you are looking for, some just may take more time both with capture and post processing to get the final result.

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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    i have said it before in other threads, phase always stated, as for the c1 support of the gfx, they are not supporting direct competitors.

    phase and fuji made a deal, leaving them their own field, fuji can have the "LARGE FORMAT" sector, while phase keeps the 645 full frame market.

    phase will remain the top of the line for a hefty price tag, and they will keep their customers. and again phase´s customers are not hobby and professional photographers with a bug wallet, we all heard from doug and others how big institutions are their customers as well.

    so if phase creates a mirrorless camera it might be a 645 fullframe, but we all know what that would need, logically thinking, new lenses and shorter flange to keep stuff small, which is the main point about mirrorless right?


    so my 2 cents, phase wont release a mirrorless, but i would like to be proven wrong, competition is always good for us, the customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
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    If I was not invested in the Phase One IQ4150 , I would not hesitate getting the 100MP Fuji. I own a50R and it is a wonderful camera and the lenses are also excellent. Printing to 60" is not an issue with most cameras today that have 50 of more MP. You would be surprised at how large native images can be even with 50MP and I often will be more than happy printing at 240 dpi. Heck. 2 Leica 24MP stitched images can easily go to 48" and the considering the overlap the image does not total 50MP.
    Ok thank you so much! All the talk about the Phase One larger sensor had me second guessing.

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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    To estimate how large I can print a given file in inches, I simply divide the length of the image (in pixels) by 300 dpi (for a superb-quality image that withstands up-close scrutiny, assuming the image is up to snuff), or by 200 dpi (for a very good quality image that only discerning pixel peepers up close will be able to distinguish from a 300 dpi image).

    The long dimension of the Phase One IQ4 image is about 14,200 pixels
    = 47" @ 300 dpi
    = 71" @ 200 dpi

    The long dimension of the Fuji GFX100 image is about 11,600 pixels
    = 39" @ 300 dpi
    = 58" @ 200 dpi

    So both the IQ4 and the GFX100 will support prints in the 5-foot-wide range, though you get more wiggle room and crop potential with the IQ4 of course. If you want to be an absolute stickler for 300 dpi printed resolution, then the IQ4 enables up to about 4-foot prints, while the GFX100 enables up to about 3-foot prints.

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    Considering that P1 still has a lot of issues left to fix on the IQ4, most of them have been there since day 1, I would rather they focus on that before anything else.


    Hi and thank you for posting this...

    I have been looking at the Phase one IQ4 with the mono and color backs...Now the GFX100 comes along albeit and smaller sensor..and way less $$$

    If I am interested in prints to 5 feet...Is Phase One still the darling or will this new Fuji close the gap even though they kept sensor the same size as the GFX50? I was out with a Photographer shooting the other day and we discussed Phase One mono back..he said its great advertising but converting to black and white is just as good..

    My concern is the issues you mentioned...and any comments you have regarding photo resolution I would be appreciative.

    Lance
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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

    [QUOTE=onasj;788759]To estimate how large I can print a given file in inches, I simply divide the length of the image (in pixels) by 300 dpi (for a superb-quality image that withstands up-close scrutiny, assuming the image is up to snuff), or by 200 dpi (for a very good quality image that only discerning pixel peepers up close will be able to distinguish from a 300 dpi image).

    The long dimension of the Phase One IQ4 image is about 14,200 pixels
    = 47" @ 300 dpi
    = 71" @ 200 dpi

    The long dimension of the Fuji GFX100 image is about 11,600 pixels
    = 39" @ 300 dpi
    = 58" @ 200 dpi

    So both the IQ4 and the GFX100 will support prints in the 5-foot-wide range, though you get more wiggle room and crop potential with the IQ4 of course. If you want to be an absolute stickler for 300 dpi printed resolution, then the IQ4 enables up to about 4-foot prints, while the GFX100 enables up to about 3-foot prints.


    Wow..wonderful.

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    I'm intrigued to see who will actually buy the Fuji system. Its too pricey for the vast majority of non pros and from my evaluation not a rounded enough system for most pros. We all know how important every aspect of a system is; body, lenses, software, support. Sure P1 is far more pricey compared to the Fuji, with the depth of the system comes a price to match. JMHO.

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    Its too pricey for the vast majority of non pros and from my evaluation not a rounded enough system for most pros. Rob
    Just curious what specifically in your "evaluation" makes the Fuji GFX system not "a rounded enough system for most pros"? I am not an expert so would like to know this for my future reference. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Just curious what specifically in your "evaluation" makes the Fuji GFX system not "a rounded enough system for most pros"? I am not an expert so would like to know this for my future reference. Thanks.
    exactly al, you may not be an expert, but he thinks he is one.

    we have many "experts" these days who are blessed with the ultimate knowledge.

    i think, yes the 10k is quite high, but you DO get a lot of innovations for it that you never had before in any MF system.

    i will surely upgrade to it from my 50s(just not immediately), which i love, and i am not afraid of a bigger body, actually i like big and heavy cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil View Post
    exactly al, you may not be an expert, but he thinks he is one.

    we have many "experts" these days who are blessed with the ultimate knowledge.

    i think, yes the 10k is quite high, but you DO get a lot of innovations for it that you never had before in any MF system.

    i will surely upgrade to it from my 50s(just not immediately), which i love, and i am not afraid of a bigger body, actually i like big and heavy cameras.

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    Just curious what specifically in your "evaluation" makes the Fuji GFX system not "a rounded enough system for most pros"? I am not an expert so would like to know this for my future reference. Thanks.
    Software, lens options, support, down time loaner, etc, etc, etc. I'm confident that it will find a niche where those issues are less relevant, but I don't think it will become a good fit for most full time pros. My opinion as a working pro for 35 years.

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    Software, lens options, support, down time loaner, etc, etc, etc. I'm confident that it will find a niche where those issues are less relevant, but I don't think it will become a good fit for most full time pros. My opinion as a working pro for 35 years.
    Thanks. Appreciate your valued comments. BTW which MF camera system is the best fit for working pros these days.

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    Software, lens options, support, down time loaner, etc, etc, etc. I'm confident that it will find a niche where those issues are less relevant, but I don't think it will become a good fit for most full time pros. My opinion as a working pro for 35 years.
    You could have 5 GFXs for the price of an IQ4 and XF, so down time loaner would never be an issue.

    C1 will support the GFX so software isn't a deal breaker.

    There are 12 lenses for the XF, 8 for the GFX - hardly night and day.

    Support - IF you work with a good P1 dealer, then P1 has the edge for sure. But that's a big 'if'.

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    Thanks. Appreciate your valued comments. BTW which MF camera system is the best fit for working pros these days.
    The answer is highly dependent on what type of work is being done. If you are talking "true" medium format, that would be by definition a sensor size of 53mmx40mm (Approx).
    In comparison the GFX has a sensor that is 33mmx43mm, larger than full frame 35mm smaller than medium format. Sensor size is only one factor in decision making.

    In my opinion, and for the type of work I do, the Phase system is the only option. Within Phase the IQ4 or IQ3 are viable options. We upgraded to the IQ4. It's a fabulous DB, but like everyone else we are waiting for firmware upgrades that should be out by now. For "economy" the IQ3100 or Tricho are great options but won't offer the capabilities of the IQ4 with its back lit sensor, higher resolution, ethernet, raw file by wifi transfer and much more. Do you need those things? Maybe not.

    Compared to Phase what other options are there that have comparable comprehensive software, hardware and support ? Who are the players in true medium format today? Phase and Hasseblad. While H has some great lenses they lack in software and DB technology. Does everyone need the level of file and support Phase offers? No. It's what worked for us and why we chose it and have not regretted it over the past 20 years of shooting with Phase backs.

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    You could have 5 GFXs for the price of an IQ4 and XF, so down time loaner would never be an issue.

    C1 will support the GFX so software isn't a deal breaker.

    There are 12 lenses for the XF, 8 for the GFX - hardly night and day.

    Support - IF you work with a good P1 dealer, then P1 has the edge for sure. But that's a big 'if'.
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    I think the choice should based on what works for you; the type of work you do and your budget. For us it was the IQ4. For others it may be the Fuji. They are in my opinion very different systems and don't bode well in direct comparison.

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    You could have 5 GFXs for the price of an IQ4 and XF, so down time loaner would never be an issue.

    C1 will support the GFX so software isn't a deal breaker.

    There are 12 lenses for the XF, 8 for the GFX - hardly night and day.

    Support - IF you work with a good P1 dealer, then P1 has the edge for sure. But that's a big 'if'.

    If you work with a good P1 dealer who is also a good Fuji dealer, then support comparisons are much closer!




    Part of why someone would purchase a Fuji would be that they cannot afford or do not wish to afford a Phase One camera system that costs much more, so down time loaner can be an issue, because in that case they may not spend that extra money on multiple backup bodies either.

    However, Fuji does offer a 3 year extension + service pack that includes repair discounts, repair loaners, etc.

    https://www.fujifilmusa.com/products...PS_HighRes.pdf

    Even if someone chooses to not purchase an extended warranty, we (Capture Integration) offer repair rate rentals (typically 50% off the normal rental rate) for any camera or digital back sold by CI in the event it has to go in for an extended period of time for repair.


    Phase One has always been focused on the very high end of photographic solutions, and that continues today with the IQ4 150. They also have provided, along with their top dealers, excellent service and support options, and they continue to do so.

    Whether a Fuji GFX 100S (or a Phase One IQ3 100 or IQ4 150, for that matter) is a good solution for Pros is ultimately a matter of whether the solution produces what they require in the way that they need to effectively create it. Phase One has a great service/support track record of almost 30 years. It is early in the game for Fuji GFX service/support, and they have some proving to do, but they seem to be putting the right pieces in the right places so that service/support is not a reason for a "Pro" to not select a Fuji system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    Phase One has a great service/support track record of almost 30 years. It is early in the game for Fuji GFX service/support, and they have some proving to do, but they seem to be putting the right pieces in the right places so that service/support is not a reason for a "Pro" to not select a Fuji system.
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    Steve sums this up nicely, as a working Pro, I place my trust in 30 years of proven track record of support. "Seems to be in putting the right pieces in the right place", and a yet unreleased camera don't add up to proven reputation, they only equal speculation. Not to mention C1 vs Fuji's software offerings.

    Some may be fine without the support Phase offers, some may not. While the cost of the Fuji is less, so is the sum total of it parts at this point in time. Which again may work for you or not, but it is in my opinion a vast stretch to compare a $10,000. camera that's not yet released with $40,000. + camera that has a proven track record. I wish Fuji all the best as healthy competition is good for the consumer.

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    Not to mention C1 vs Fuji's software offerings.
    Perhaps you not aware that C1 supports all Fuji cameras including the GFX 50R/S. Also you must remember when Fuji offered MF cameras in the last 30 years. So it seems they have been a MF player for many years when film 120/220 was used.

    To me the IQ4150 does not yet have a proven track record since the last FW update was what 6 weeks ago to finally get a timer for the ES, etc. Somewhat lame for a $47k DB.

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    Perhaps you not aware that C1 supports all Fuji cameras including the GFX 50R/S. Also you must remember when Fuji offered MF cameras in the last 30 years. So it seems they have been a MF player for many years when film 120/220 was used.

    To me the IQ4150 does not yet have a proven track record since the last FW update was what 6 weeks ago to finally get a timer for the ES, etc. Somewhat lame for a $47k DB.
    Fuji has a long track record in Medium format; FILM cameras, not digital ones. Phase has a 30 year record exclusively in medium format Digital.

    How much longer C1 will support Fuji remains to be seen, they could eventually be excommunicated as Hassy was.

    It appears what some are seeking is a $10k camera from Fuji with all the quality and accouterments the Phase system offers at far less. I wish you luck.

    And you mention the IQ4 as "lame". Do you own one? Have you even tested one?


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    Fuji has a long track record in Medium format; FILM cameras, not digital ones. Phase has a 30 year record exclusively in medium format Digital.

    How much longer C1 will support Fuji remains to be seen, they could eventually be excommunicated as Hassy was.

    It appears what some are seeking is a $10k camera from Fuji with all the quality and accouterments the Phase system offers at far less. I wish you luck.

    And you mention the IQ4 as "lame". Do you own one? Have you even tested one?


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    Phase One never offered Capture One support for Hasselblad. And from what I saw last year at the announcement for Fuji support, this has the look of a long term cooperation. I think Phase One would have thought long and hard before going in the direction they did.


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    And you mention the IQ4 as "lame". Do you own one? Have you even tested one? R
    Yes and yes. I have had P1 DB's ever since my P45+ I used with Hasselblad V cameras and lately including an IQ3100 and an IQ3100 Achromatic.

    Wouldn't it be funny if Fuji actually put some equity money into Phase.

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    Phase One never offered Capture One support for Hasselblad. And from what I saw last year at the announcement for Fuji support, this has the look of a long term cooperation. I think Phase One would have thought long and hard before going in the direction they did.


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    Yes and yes. I have had P1 DB's ever since my P45+ I used with Hasselblad V cameras and lately including an IQ3100 and an IQ3100 Achromatic.

    Wouldn't it be funny if Fuji actually put some equity money into Phase.

    Thus far I've been extremely impressed by what the IQ4 can do since we acquired it in December. It's a major upgrade in every way from our IQ180. Sure I'd hope like everyone else that the firmware upgrades were coming faster, and for some users this has been (obviously) more of as issue than others depending on needs. I truly wish Fuji the best with their system, but for us P1 is the best solution at this time and the foreseeable future.
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    Things can change, but speculation never does. Time will tell...

    Thats true! A huge asteroid could hit our planet tomorrow. Ultimately, nothing is guaranteed.


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    Re: The next Phase One body and the Fuji GFX100

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    Fuji has a long track record in Medium format; FILM cameras, not digital ones. Phase has a 30 year record exclusively in medium format Digital.

    How much longer C1 will support Fuji remains to be seen, they could eventually be excommunicated as Hassy was.

    It appears what some are seeking is a $10k camera from Fuji with all the quality and accouterments the Phase system offers at far less. I wish you luck.

    And you mention the IQ4 as "lame". Do you own one? Have you even tested one?


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    No luck involved in my thinking - don't know where you get the idea that anyone considering a Fuji higher megapixel camera needs 'luck' on their side....

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    The answer is highly dependent on what type of work is being done. If you are talking "true" medium format, that would be by definition a sensor size of 53mmx40mm (Approx).
    In comparison the GFX has a sensor that is 33mmx43mm, larger than full frame 35mm smaller than medium format. Sensor size is only one factor in decision making.

    In my opinion, and for the type of work I do, the Phase system is the only option. Within Phase the IQ4 or IQ3 are viable options. We upgraded to the IQ4. It's a fabulous DB, but like everyone else we are waiting for firmware upgrades that should be out by now. For "economy" the IQ3100 or Tricho are great options but won't offer the capabilities of the IQ4 with its back lit sensor, higher resolution, ethernet, raw file by wifi transfer and much more. Do you need those things? Maybe not.

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    I find this quite interesting. The implication in the rhetorical question is that you do.

    So I guess my question is this -

    As a working pro, how have you survived for 35 years without them?

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    @RLB it’s great your happy with your IQ4 back. It’s a great one. However, it’s also the most disappointing Phase One product launch ever. The firmware is still lacking lots of stuff and this after 7 months now.

    The Fuji will be an amazing tool to work with and offer a few things impossible before in MF. I don’t think Fuji needs any luck, their lenses are fantastic (can’t say that for all Phase One lenses...) and with C1 as a software they have that side covered as well.

    And you do know you can actually use to different systems at the same time.
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    All I'll say is as an IQ3100/GFX50s shooter, Will I upgrade to an IQ4150? ... TBD. Will I upgrade to the GFX100? Yup. No brainer for me since I've divested myself of basically all smaller DSLR systems, although I still have an impressive XF/Phase One lens kit that I never use and aren't worth selling.

    So for me, the GFX100 is an "AND" vs an OR solution. i'll keep the GFX50s whatever (love it) and the lenses are basically superb (Ignore Digilloyd's BS). The Phase One back works wonderfully on my Cambo system and at the end of the day it'll continue to be my ultimate camera.

    IQ4150? Unless I get a great bonus, I'll continue to hold off until it's finished, and then buy used like my IQ3100!
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    I find this quite interesting. The implication in the rhetorical question is that you do.

    So I guess my question is this -

    As a working pro, how have you survived for 35 years without them?

    Kind regards,


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    Great question. We all have survived by finding work-a-rounds. Pre 2000 I was still shooting film 2.25, 4x5, 8x10, so I lived within the limitations of that. After that, medium format and scan backs, again working within their limitations. The issue for us now is the IQ4 offers some very unique "tools" that can make our business more productive such as allowing us far longer tethering with Ethernet, focus peaking, far better shifting with the Tech camera, higher resolution, better low light sensitivity, etc, etc. In our work environment those features allow us to work more effectively and efficiently. Time is money, especially in large volume projects where saving time becomes critical.

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    All I'll say is as an IQ3100/GFX50s shooter, Will I upgrade to an IQ4150? ... TBD. Will I upgrade to the GFX100? Yup. No brainer for me since I've divested myself of basically all smaller DSLR systems, although I still have an impressive XF/Phase One lens kit that I never use and aren't worth selling.

    So for me, the GFX100 is an "AND" vs an OR solution. i'll keep the GFX50s whatever (love it) and the lenses are basically superb (Ignore Digilloyd's BS). The Phase One back works wonderfully on my Cambo system and at the end of the day it'll continue to be my ultimate camera.

    IQ4150? Unless I get a great bonus, I'll continue to hold off until it's finished, and then buy used like my IQ3100!

    Exactly my point, everyone has a different working scenario and therefore requirements from their gear. What may have near zero negative effect for one shooter may not work at all for another.

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    @RLB it’s great your happy with your IQ4 back. It’s a great one. However, it’s also the most disappointing Phase One product launch ever. The firmware is still lacking lots of stuff and this after 7 months now.

    The Fuji will be an amazing tool to work with and offer a few things impossible before in MF. I don’t think Fuji needs any luck, their lenses are fantastic (can’t say that for all Phase One lenses...) and with C1 as a software they have that side covered as well.

    And you do know you can actually use to different systems at the same time.
    Chris, I agree with everything your stating. My wishing Fuji the best was not intended as sarcasm, my hope is that it will be a good option for many, but I doubt it will be for us. Having invested in the IQ4, I agree 100% that the lack of firmware updates is inexcusable.

    One thing I'd be concerned about if I were Fuji is C1's ability to excommunicate compatibility of specific products. Not that they would, but they could, of course pending any written agreements. Fuji of course could develop more sophisticated software of their own, but that's time consuming and expensive.

    We have 4 cameras that we use the IQ4 on, its very easy to swap them as they all use the same flat adaptor plate. Versatility with out a myriad of adaptors and their limitations is also a plus for us.

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    I am really not worried about C1 and Fuji. They just opened it up and honestly phase one doesn’t desperately needs the money, but I’m really sure it’s a welcome benefits!
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    Thats true! A huge asteroid could hit our planet tomorrow. Ultimately, nothing is guaranteed.


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    IQ4150? Unless I get a great bonus, I'll continue to hold off until it's finished, and then buy used like my IQ3100!
    You only live once. Steve could be right about that asteroid. And so says your signature block--- Remember: Adventure before Dementia!

    Get on the list and order that IQ4 now.

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    is phase one is a private or public company? i wonder how their balance sheet is? it will be a welcome addition to the sony family!! it will survive and thirve

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    I am really not worried about C1 and Fuji. They just opened it up and honestly phase one doesn’t desperately needs the money, but I’m really sure it’s a welcome benefits!

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