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    I have had a 50c Back - 503CW combo for several years and really miss the ability to conveniently shoot in the portrait orientation when hand holding the camera. The 500 Series Cameras were designed for square format so landscape vs. portrait orientation was never an issue. Unfortunately, unlike the Phase One Hasseblad V Mount Backs, Hasselblad did not design the back to for both landscape and portrait mountings. For tripod shots a "L" bracket provides the correct camera orientation and the Live View Function permits convenient setup but I have never figured out how to handhold the Hasselblad Camera in the portrait orientation. The second problem with the 50c Back is cable-free operation at low shutter speeds. Even when the back is properly set for exposures longer than 1/8 second I frequently get timing errors if I press the shutter release too quickly. The instruction book and suggests the use of a flash sync cable if there is a timing issue. If the 50c-2 Back probably uses the same system as the original 50c Back, there may be situations where the flash sync cable is necessary.

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    The vertical orientation problem isn't an issue for me since, as I've suggested, for me the CFV50cII simply becomes a 33x33 format, 39 Mpixel back. I can live with that.

    The sync issue remains to be seen. One can hope that on a substantially revised version of the back like this that such issues have been improved upon.

    I remain hopeful and optimistic. No need not to be.. after all, if it doesn't work out, what have I lost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotophil View Post
    I have had a 50c Back - 503CW combo for several years and really miss the ability to conveniently shoot in the portrait orientation when hand holding the camera. The 500 Series Cameras were designed for square format so landscape vs. portrait orientation was never an issue. Unfortunately, unlike the Phase One Hasseblad V Mount Backs, Hasselblad did not design the back to for both landscape and portrait mountings. For tripod shots a "L" bracket provides the correct camera orientation and the Live View Function permits convenient setup but I have never figured out how to handhold the Hasselblad Camera in the portrait orientation. The second problem with the 50c Back is cable-free operation at low shutter speeds. Even when the back is properly set for exposures longer than 1/8 second I frequently get timing errors if I press the shutter release too quickly. The instruction book and suggests the use of a flash sync cable if there is a timing issue. If the 50c-2 Back probably uses the same system as the original 50c Back, there may be situations where the flash sync cable is necessary.
    I too have the 503CW and the 50c back.
    I solved the problem of the portrait orientation by using a P90 finder, with a foldable magnifier lens for fine focus.
    When hand-held, I add the CW Winder as well. The overall weight is high but It helps a lot in keeping the camera steady while firing the shot button.
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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Well, I like the way my 500CM works, feels in the hand and on the tripod. I have four lenses for it. Buying a CFV back for it gives me most of that same workflow and ergonomics, but takes away my wide angle lens. Presuming that what I want is achieved with the CFV back and my existing lenses, I need another, wider lens. That's where I buy the 907x and 21mm lens, and maybe in the future add more lens options.

    The V lens adapter on the X1D nets a completely different camera, with an Eshutter only, and a completely different use model. Is it better or worse? I don't know, but it for sure isn't the same. At this moment, I'd prefer the same...

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    Well, fair enough. I understand your point very well, it has been also my one until today, and probably for the future as well. Only, sometimes I have some doubts...
    Well, I hope for your pocket that you will not end up buying the CFV 50c II, and then the X2D as well.
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    I completely agree with most all of the reasons that the new Hasselblad CFV ii 50C and 907X are exciting. And I'm also very anxious to use it alongside my Hasselblad film kit. But for me it adds another potential win, being small and lightweight. I currently backpack with my X1D and a small kit of 3 Xpan lenses. This combined with a Gitzo traveler tripod is about 8 1/2 pounds. I absolutely love the X1D and sometimes feel that it was custom made for me and my type of long exposure landscape photography. I would only have two minor issues with it. First I'd love a tilt screen and second, I rarely use the viewfinder. So yea the new CFV is exciting. Provided the price is right.

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    I am also hopeful that the pricing will be in line with the new X1D since I'm more likely to upgrade to the CFV that the X1D2. Fingers crossed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Evans View Post
    First I'd love a tilt screen and second, I rarely use the viewfinder.
    Until most recently, I never understood the need or want for a tilt screen but now I understand that it breaks the habit to instinctively wanting to take an exposure at eye level.

    P.S. Clever to color code the lenses (via lens cap). I wished Rodenstock would give users the option to choose between different color rings on their lenses.

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    V System Owners would have an option for using their old CF Lenses if Hasselblad could design a CF Lens Adapter for the XID Camera along the line of the CF Adapter for the H Series Camera. Although the H Series Adapter was sort of expensive at around $1700 it provided a means for mounting a CF Lens on the Series H Body and supporting wide open aperture focus, stopped down aperture for shooting and firing the CF Lens Shutter for exposure. The current manual Series V Lens to X1D Lens Adapters are pretty much useless for handheld photography and are very awkward for tripod based photography because the aperture has to be manually adjusted from wide open for focus and stop down for exposure. I recall that early on Hasselblad confirmed that the current CF - H Adapter would not work with the current H-X!D Adapter. If such an CF Lens adapter could be designed for the X1D Camera it might offer an alternative means of using the V Lenses on the X1D Body without the need for the CFV-50-2 Back or 907X Body. It's a big "if" but I hope that Hasselblad at least looked into the feasibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDude View Post
    P.S. Clever to color code the lenses (via lens cap). I wished Rodenstock would give users the option to choose between different color rings on their lenses.
    Those lens covers are for the Lee Seven5 system which I use for all of my Schneider Digitar lenses.... The reason being that the Seven5 adapters vs. Lee 100 are readily available for 40.5mm which happens to be a filter screw thread for numerous Digitar lenses.

    Very much agree that the colors are very handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotophil View Post
    V System Owners would have an option for using their old CF Lenses if Hasselblad could design a CF Lens Adapter for the XID Camera along the line of the CF Adapter for the H Series Camera. Although the H Series Adapter was sort of expensive at around $1700 it provided a means for mounting a CF Lens on the Series H Body and supporting wide open aperture focus, stopped down aperture for shooting and firing the CF Lens Shutter for exposure. The current manual Series V Lens to X1D Lens Adapters are pretty much useless for handheld photography and are very awkward for tripod based photography because the aperture has to be manually adjusted from wide open for focus and stop down for exposure. I recall that early on Hasselblad confirmed that the current CF - H Adapter would not work with the current H-X!D Adapter. If such an CF Lens adapter could be designed for the X1D Camera it might offer an alternative means of using the V Lenses on the X1D Body without the need for the CFV-50-2 Back or 907X Body. It's a big "if" but I hope that Hasselblad at least looked into the feasibility.
    That's a very big "IF". I wouldn't pay $1700 for a mount adapter to a mirrorless camera. I adapt lenses to my Leica CL all the time (and used to for my Leica SL and Sony A7 too) ... I have only rarely had any trouble focusing critically at stops as small as f/8 with most lenses. And I shoot with these cameras hand-held probably 70% of the time. It would be nice to take advantage of my C and CF lenses' built in mechanical shutter, for sure, but $1700 for an adapter is absurdly overpriced for the added value it would provide.

    I bet that too few of those adapters were sold for it to be profitable, the most likely reason why Hasselblad has decided against doing the same thing with the XV Mount Adapter. They're kind of essential for a reflex camera because otherwise the viewfinder is too dim to see clearly enough to focus with, but that is not a problem with an EVF camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mristuccia View Post
    Well, fair enough. I understand your point very well, it has been also my one until today, and probably for the future as well. Only, sometimes I have some doubts...
    Well, I hope for your pocket that you will not end up buying the CFV 50c II, and then the X2D as well.
    I doubt that will happen. Once the CFV50cII is available for demo/testing, I'll do that and see if it works the way I want. If it does, I'm done (presuming the price is in the range that I can afford). If it doesn't, I'll debate whether I finally just shuck it up and buy an X1D II, or buy it anyway with the 907x body and the 21mm lens (because I like the form factor of that kit...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by leejo View Post
    A large number of V system users now are not the type to drop $10k on a back, let alone $5k. I continue to believe that this back is a gateway drug to feed users into the X system, and Hasselblad will price it at that point and not at the pros who can write it off as a business expense.
    As a V system user who knows quite a few others, most of us still use the system because of the amazing look it gives on film and have zero interest in an X1D. I bought my current CFV50c so I could get out and make black and white fine art images and yet still take care of color digital for clients and while far from being as fluid and productive as my Nikon system, it does deliver the goods in digital form.

    I am about to reach out to Hasselblad to see what the trade in looks like because I am afraid I will take a royal bath on my back if the CFV50II is a lot less than what I paid for mine new. In fact, I am almost 100% sure I will likely not upgrade because the difference will be too much and since the resolution is the same, why bother I figure. I have also considered selling mine while the price I would get is a known quantity and then getting the new back if not too much, not sure yet.

    One thing that has changed my favoritism towards using the V system as a hybrid for deliverables is the Nikon Z system. I can easily pack a Z7 and 24-70 F4 and make amazing images all while I make film images on my Hasselblad system, so I am not as dependent on the V to do it all on a single outing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ai_Print View Post
    As a V system user who knows quite a few others, most of us still use the system because of the amazing look it gives on film and have zero interest in an X1D. I bought my current CFV50c so I could get out and make black and white fine art images and yet still take care of color digital for clients and while far from being as fluid and productive as my Nikon system, it does deliver the goods in digital form.

    I am about to reach out to Hasselblad to see what the trade in looks like because I am afraid I will take a royal bath on my back if the CFV50II is a lot less than what I paid for mine new. In fact, I am almost 100% sure I will likely not upgrade because the difference will be too much and since the resolution is the same, why bother I figure. I have also considered selling mine while the price I would get is a known quantity and then getting the new back if not too much, not sure yet.

    One thing that has changed my favoritism towards using the V system as a hybrid for deliverables is the Nikon Z system. I can easily pack a Z7 and 24-70 F4 and make amazing images all while I make film images on my Hasselblad system, so I am not as dependent on the V to do it all on a single outing.
    You've kind of confirmed my point there - you're a V user but you have no interest in an X1D? Yet you can easily pack a Z7 and 24-70 F4 and make amazing images? That's exactly the kind of user Hasselblad want to keep, they don't want you buying into another system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Evans View Post
    I completely agree with most all of the reasons that the new Hasselblad CFV ii 50C and 907X are exciting. And I'm also very anxious to use it alongside my Hasselblad film kit. But for me it adds another potential win, being small and lightweight. I currently backpack with my X1D and a small kit of 3 Xpan lenses. This combined with a Gitzo traveler tripod is about 8 1/2 pounds. I absolutely love the X1D and sometimes feel that it was custom made for me and my type of long exposure landscape photography. I would only have two minor issues with it. First I'd love a tilt screen and second, I rarely use the viewfinder. So yea the new CFV is exciting. Provided the price is right.

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    I am also hopeful that the pricing will be in line with the new X1D since I'm more likely to upgrade to the CFV that the X1D2. Fingers crossed.
    Hello Bill,

    very cool kit! A bit off-topic, but might I ask you what you think about the performance of X-Pan lenses on the X1D? Any information about sharpness corner-to-corner, CA, distortion and the like would be very helpful, thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejo View Post
    You've kind of confirmed my point there - you're a V user but you have no interest in an X1D? Yet you can easily pack a Z7 and 24-70 F4 and make amazing images? That's exactly the kind of user Hasselblad want to keep, they don't want you buying into another system.
    Sort of, the CFV50c back and a couple of batteries is still much smaller than the Z7 / 24-70 and is not a distracting workflow. In all honestly I am probably sticking with the status quo since I like working with the optical V bodies the best.
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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    Quote Originally Posted by vieri View Post
    Hello Bill,

    very cool kit! A bit off-topic, but might I ask you what you think about the performance of X-Pan lenses on the X1D? Any information about sharpness corner-to-corner, CA, distortion and the like would be very helpful, thank you

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    Thanks Vieri,

    The short answer is that in my normal use Iíve been very happy with them. That said, Iím a bit embarrassed to add, that I havenít done any formal, or informal, testing of theses lenses. I will say that the recent postings of your lens tests has been inspiring so time willing I might try to quantify my experience a bit.

    Although it took me a while, I think Iíve finally learned that usability trumps exceptional quality, for me, most of the time. I have no doubt that the XCD lenses exceed the Xpan lenses in every way, well expect for weight and size. I have a 5 day backpack trip to Mt Robson in British Columbia next month and the 2 or so pounds the Xpan kit saves is hugely significant.

    I wonít hijack this post any further but let me know if youíd like me to send you some files.

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    Is it a safe bet that this back will only be available in chrome trim?

    Has anyone compared a CFV 16 and the newer sensors in the XCD or CFV 50c? Do you see a meaningful difference if you're not printing large? I rather like the rendering from my CFV 16, but if the CFV 50c II is "affordable" it'd be nice to have a smaller form factor with the incorporated battery and slightly smaller back, as well as having a more modern sensor and the option to use XCD lenses in the future.

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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    There's a rumour of a $4500 price point for the CVF2 floating around

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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Lundqvist View Post
    There's a rumour of a $4500 price point for the CVF2 floating around
    Floating around where?
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    Floating around where?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotophil View Post
    If the 50c-2 Back probably uses the same system as the original 50c Back, there may be situations where the flash sync cable is necessary.
    The original back has a sync in and flash out socket. I have never used it but would this just forwards the sync signal.

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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    Hasselblad just announced a special edition 907x and CFVII celebrating the lunar launch:

    https://www.hasselblad.com/907x-special-edition/

    Itís listed on their store for $7500, which includes back and body:

    https://store.hasselblad.com/product...om=storebanner

    Good to know! Iíd expect the ďnormalĒ 907x and CFVII to be less...

    Seems like the pricing might be reasonable afterall
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    so £5800 (ex vat) for the body and back.
    if you guess at £1800 for the body and £4000 (ex vat) for the back that almost sounds cheap?
    but then i guess you have to compare that to the Fuji GFX50R at £3k
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    Hasselblad just announced a special edition 907x and CFVII celebrating the lunar launch:
    https://www.hasselblad.com/907x-special-edition/
    Itís listed on their store for $7500, which includes back and body:
    https://store.hasselblad.com/product...om=storebanner
    Good to know! Iíd expect the ďnormalĒ 907x and CFVII to be less...
    Seems like the pricing might be reasonable afterall
    I may well have to put in a pre-order... !!! They're punching all my buttons with this one!

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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    Hasselblad just announced a special edition 907x and CFVII celebrating the lunar launch:

    https://www.hasselblad.com/907x-special-edition/

    Itís listed on their store for $7500, which includes back and body:

    https://store.hasselblad.com/product...om=storebanner

    Good to know! Iíd expect the ďnormalĒ 907x and CFVII to be less...

    Seems like the pricing might be reasonable afterall
    We don't know the pricing or timeframe for the "normal" system yet, but I'm thinking we probably won't see those until after the first of the year.
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    Well I suppose I have missed the window to get a decent price for my CFV50c back so I will not likely upgrade and just keep it. The workarounds I have created for live view work well enough and it is still just 50MP so that is that I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ai_Print View Post
    will not likely upgrade and just keep it. The workarounds I have created for live view work well enough and it is still just 50MP so that is that I guess.

    Same here. I am holding out for the IMX461 100MP, 16-bit, BSI sensor version.

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    Thanks Vieri,

    The short answer is that in my normal use Iíve been very happy with them. That said, Iím a bit embarrassed to add, that I havenít done any formal, or informal, testing of theses lenses. I will say that the recent postings of your lens tests has been inspiring so time willing I might try to quantify my experience a bit.

    Although it took me a while, I think Iíve finally learned that usability trumps exceptional quality, for me, most of the time. I have no doubt that the XCD lenses exceed the Xpan lenses in every way, well expect for weight and size. I have a 5 day backpack trip to Mt Robson in British Columbia next month and the 2 or so pounds the Xpan kit saves is hugely significant.

    I wonít hijack this post any further but let me know if youíd like me to send you some files.

    Cheers, Bill
    Thank you very much Bill, that is much appreciated. Like you, I backpack a lot, and weight / bulk saving is of importance to me. As well, I do landscape only, so if the lenses are great between f/8 - f/16 it's enough for me. Third, I'd love to have a "real" manual focusing lens with a distance scale on it.

    Possible downsides, image quality aside: the X-Pan lenses are probably not weather sealed; you'd have to open them up and stop them down to use them (especially in low light), which is a pain; and electronic shutter might create some problem if I had to photograph something that moves faster than what I normally shoot (which happens, sometimes).

    Not to mention that they are not readily available. I wish I hadn't sold my X-Pan kit years ago.

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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    Well I'm glad my original optimism on the price point wasn't far off. If we assume a special edition markup + the cost of the 907X body then the CFV II 50c is going to be in the same price area as the X1D II. Perhaps cheaper. Again, I'm going to speculate that they still haven't announced the price of the back on its own for fear of affecting sales of both the X1D II and this special edition.

    My only minor disappointment is revealed in the spec sheet, which can be found on the Hasselblad site - the back still requires modification of the 200 series bodies to use F/FE lenses with it. Given the electronic shutter, and that this back and the X1D can be used with shutter free lenses like the XPan ones, I guess the problem is the focal plane shutter and/or the limited x-sync in the 200 series bodies.

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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    Just had a look again to the HASSELBLAD ONLINE STORE .
    The special edition price is 7800 Ä . This is without the lens . The lens is about 3500Ä . So you end up at 11.300 Ä .
    This is when you buy directly at the HASSELBLAD STORE . The price might be slightly different at your dealer .
    Also I think the dealer price in the U.S. might be very different .
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    I only really need one lens in addition to what I have in Hasselblad V system lenses already ... The back used with my 500CM and 50/80/120/150 lenses will do fine, the same lenses used on the 907x with the Hasselblad XV Adapter will also do just fine. Never mind that I can also buy a Leica R to Hasselblad X adapter and fit any of my R lenses too. So the $4000 XCD 21mm f/4 is the only lens I'm planning to buy, at present, and I don't have to buy it at the same time as the Special Edition.

    I see the 907x/CFV50cII as a larger format, higher resolution "universal body" much the way I see the Leica CL in this regard. It maximizes the value of the equipment (lenses and lens accessories) I already have for digital capture use while retaining the ability to use film with the same lens kit in the older bodies. For that reason, it is worth it to let go of some other less-used equipment that has high value in order to acquire it.

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    Thank you very much Bill, that is much appreciated. Like you, I backpack a lot, and weight / bulk saving is of importance to me. As well, I do landscape only, so if the lenses are great between f/8 - f/16 it's enough for me. Third, I'd love to have a "real" manual focusing lens with a distance scale on it.

    Possible downsides, image quality aside: the X-Pan lenses are probably not weather sealed; you'd have to open them up and stop them down to use them (especially in low light), which is a pain; and electronic shutter might create some problem if I had to photograph something that moves faster than what I normally shoot (which happens, sometimes).

    Not to mention that they are not readily available. I wish I hadn't sold my X-Pan kit years ago.

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    All your points are very valid and I might be the only one who routinely uses the Hasselblad Xpan adapter and Xpan lenses. One additional negative is that the interface between the adapter and the Xpan lenses isn't light tight, so definitely not weather sealed. I have a simple solution to the light leaks but weather would still be an issue. As far as stop down focusing, that's become second nature to me and I don't find it a hindrance at all. And the true manual focus lenses are a joy to use. Especially with filters as I'm sure you can appreciate. I must be in the minority in that auto focus doesn't add a thing to my workflow for either landscapes or architecture. Hopefully I can find the time to quantify the quality of the Xpan lenses on the 50mp sensor.

    So far, for the types of subjects I usually shoot, the electronic shutter seems to be performing great. But to be fair most all of my images are captured from a tripod. This would be typical the landscape images I take using the X1D and Xpan lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Evans View Post
    All your points are very valid and I might be the only one who routinely uses the Hasselblad Xpan adapter and Xpan lenses. One additional negative is that the interface between the adapter and the Xpan lenses isn't light tight, so definitely not weather sealed. I have a simple solution to the light leaks but weather would still be an issue. As far as stop down focusing, that's become second nature to me and I don't find it a hindrance at all. And the true manual focus lenses are a joy to use. Especially with filters as I'm sure you can appreciate. I must be in the minority in that auto focus doesn't add a thing to my workflow for either landscapes or architecture. Hopefully I can find the time to quantify the quality of the Xpan lenses on the 50mp sensor.

    So far, for the types of subjects I usually shoot, the electronic shutter seems to be performing great. But to be fair most all of my images are captured from a tripod. This would be typical the landscape images I take using the X1D and Xpan lenses.

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    Bill,

    thank you very much for your message and for expanding on the subject. One thing you said left me a bit worried:

    "One additional negative is that the interface between the adapter and the Xpan lenses isn't light tight,"

    might I ask you if you are using Hasselblad's own adapter or a third-party one? As well, have you contacted the adapter's manufacturer to report this, and if so what did they tell you? That is puzzling to hear, adapters often have a little play or something like that, but not being light-tight seems to be a major problem for something made to take photos

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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    The initial Hasselblad XH adapters had light leaks as well. I returned the one I had to Hasselblad and they replaced it. After that experience, I used a rubber band to cover the joint as a precaution.



    Adapters are notorious for light leaks. Always check them first by taking a long exposure with the lens completely covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    ...

    Adapters are notorious for light leaks. Always check them first by taking a long exposure with the lens completely covered.

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    Joe,

    that's sadly true. I had pretty good luck with Leica's own L-M adapters to use M lenses on the SL, which were very tight almost to the point of being hard to use. My X1D to Leica M adapter (Novoflex) is less tight, the lens has a little play but at least it's light-tight.

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    Joe,

    that's sadly true. I had pretty good luck with Leica's own L-M adapters to use M lenses on the SL, which were very tight almost to the point of being hard to use. My X1D to Leica M adapter (Novoflex) is less tight, the lens has a little play but at least it's light-tight.

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    I had to send the first M Adapter L back as it was actually too tight: I refused to force it so hard. The replacement they sent me fit snugly and precisely. Neither of my M Adapter L or R Adapter M has ever shown a light leak. Rayqual and Novoflex adapters have been very good too.

    The Rayqual and Leica adapters so far have been the closest to the original mount registration spec, where the others are usually a few tenths of a mm short.

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    I have 6 Novoflex adapters and all are tight and good! They produce at high standard.
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    Bill,

    thank you very much for your message and for expanding on the subject. One thing you said left me a bit worried:

    "One additional negative is that the interface between the adapter and the Xpan lenses isn't light tight,"

    might I ask you if you are using Hasselblad's own adapter or a third-party one? As well, have you contacted the adapter's manufacturer to report this, and if so what did they tell you? That is puzzling to hear, adapters often have a little play or something like that, but not being light-tight seems to be a major problem for something made to take photos

    Best regards,

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    I have the Hasselblad adapter. I started with the Kipon and it was a mess but the Hassy is nice. My simple solution for leaks between the adapter and the Xpan lens is "hair bands" that I keep on each lens and just roll down to the adapter interface. Take 10 time longer to type than to use. Sorry for the bad cell phone pic.

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    Re: Hasselblad CFV ll 50c

    The special edition 907x and CFVII is a highly interesting camera.
    And for an surprisingly low price. This was the tiny sum I paid for just one of the last CFV50C sold by a dealer here in Sweden.
    And it is a special tool!
    To paraphrase and old saying: If you have to ask what your gona use the camera for, then it is not for you

    But I am not so sure that it really is wort the work with adapters and old lenses.
    I have tested some Hassy V-lenses on my GFX(r) system and was just disappointed.
    I also have tested my Xpan lenses and for me the Fuji lenses are better.
    I have no experience of the X1D-lenses, but I suspect that they are in the same class as the lenses for the Fuji system.

    I have wasted pathological amounts of money on old lenses that I have tested on different digital cameras.
    Only to end up with the insight that for me its just more fun using the old system separated from the new one.
    When I want the special signature of the old lenses, I use them on my old cameras.
    But that just me, and I truly hope that others come to different conclusions, its much more fun that way.

    It is much more fun now to hunt for matching accessories for you old cameras.
    I have got me a matching camera bag for my SWC503 with the CFV50C and some filmbacks.
    An matching all European kit!

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    But hey, wait a minute ... Did you nick my car?





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    Thx for your post, have you compare the xpan90 and the xcd90? I want to know the difference, if any?

    Ops, I’ve got same question & feedback when I read all the post above. Thanks everyone.

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    I completely agree with most all of the reasons that
    the new Hasselblad CFV ii 50C and 907X are exciting. And I'm also very anxious to use it alongside my Hasselblad film kit. But for me it adds another potential win, being small and lightweight. I currently backpack with my X1D and a small kit of 3 Xpan lenses. This combined with a Gitzo traveler tripod is about 8 1/2 pounds. I absolutely love the X1D and sometimes feel that it was custom made for me and my type of long exposure landscape photography. I would only have two minor issues with it. First I'd love a tilt screen and second, I rarely use the viewfinder. So yea the new CFV is exciting. Provided the price is right.

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    Iíve been using my 4116 day one till now, Iím Loving it and have no plan to upgrade to X1D2. However, after a little struggle, I place an order to the CFV2 set last night. I miss my V system and I particularly fond of using my 100mm. But Iíve heard many say the old lens perform terribly on digital back. I mainly do landscape, I think X1D serves me very well with the present lens system line up.
    Would anyone has the same problem as I do?

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    Iíve been using my 4116 day one till now, Iím Loving it and have no plan to upgrade to X1D2. However, after a little struggle, I place an order to the CFV2 set last night. I miss my V system and I particularly fond of using my 100mm. But Iíve heard many say the old lens perform terribly on digital back. I mainly do landscape, I think X1D serves me very well with the present lens system line up.
    Would anyone has the same problem as I do?
    In terms of pixel-peeping image quality, the newer lenses are probably better over all. However some (but not all) of the old V system Zeiss lenses are excellent and retain that je ne sais quoi Zeiss magic when used on high-resolution MF sensors, at least to my eyes. Carefully chosen, these old lenses (and you) can gain a new life via adapters if you already happen to own them. The few hundred bucks to buy an adapter is a bargain, especially in these inner circles of Dante's Inferno. All this assumes you can work within the limitations of the electronic shutter.

    From my own experience, I am quite happy using my CF 100/3.5 Planar on the X1D and IQ3100. The 250 Superachromat is simply spectacular both in terms of sharpness and essentially undetectable chromatic aberrations. Further in the tele range, the 350 Tele-Tessar has meh resolution and pretty dramatic purple fringing. I sold that one off but not before making some nice images with it that made it to the wall. I've also owned the 40 IF/CFE (touted to be the sharpest lens in the entire collection of V system lenses), which I found to be close in sharpness to the XCD 45 (and a little wider) but with just a touch more CA than the newer lens. I reluctantly sold it as using this monster on the X1D just didn't make much sense given the native XCD 45 and my conversion to a tech cam outfitted with the Rodie 40HR. The mid-range tele's (150 and 180 Sonnars) are also excellent but not as well corrected for CA as the newer designs. Among the macro lenses, the 120/4 and 135/5.6 Macro Planars are quite good; my favorite is the older 120/5.6 S-Planar. I'm guessing that none of these come close to the XCD 120 macro in terms of sharpness but then again they can be found for a small fraction of the price. The bottom line for me is that the older V lenses can be a nice (and mostly cheaper) way to fill in gaps in the lens lineup, which is a bit less of an issue now that Hasselblad has expanded their offerings. YMMV, of course.

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    But Iíve heard many say the old lens perform terribly on digital back.
    This was an often stated claim when Pentax released the 645D. Yes, some of the old Pentax lenses do not do well, but many of them do. Two of my sharpest are the old A-series manual focus lenses: A35mm and A120mm macro. I would imagine that 100mm lens is going to be worth trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    This was an often stated claim when Pentax released the 645D. Yes, some of the old Pentax lenses do not do well, but many of them do. Two of my sharpest are the old A-series manual focus lenses: A35mm and A120mm macro. I would imagine that 100mm lens is going to be worth trying.
    Hello Will,

    I think the problem with old Pentax 645 lenses was twofold: some of the lenses were not up to the 50 MP sensor, and many suffered from either QC problems or from the unkind effects of time. I.e., my (two) 35mm were both horribly decentered, so soft on one corner to the point of being useless. I think that's a common risk with older lenses, you definitely need to look for good samples and keep them close when you find them. Another problem is, here in Italy it was very difficult to have these lens serviced effectively - meaning, I sent one to be fixed, and it came back identically decentered but with a bill attached

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    If you are thinking whether or not to use the V-lenses digitally, I can comment with a P45+ (39mp) back:

    SWC/M // very good
    CF 40mm // not so good
    CF 50mm + CF 50mm FLE // I find both lenses equally sharp, the FLE a little bit better. Both are up to the task. I will sell the CF 50mm, since I don't need them both.
    CF 60mm // especially good
    CF 80mm // very good
    CF 100mm // especially good
    CF 120mm // very good
    CF 180mm // especially good
    CF 250mm // good*
    CF 250mm Superachromat // especially good*
    CFE 350mm Superachromat // especially good

    * To the 250mm: I find my 250 Superachromat very difficult to use, as it does not have an infinity stop. And the sharpness layer is thin. Often, I get better results with my 250mm, even though it's "just" good, since I will get accurate focus. But IF I'm able to focus the 250 Superachromat, it's possibly my sharpest tele.

    Without hesitation, I would use also a 50mp sensor on the "especially good" lenses. And my "digital SWC" is and would be the original one :-) Even though LCC is necessary, but for me not a problem. It is same time useful to remove dust and set accurate WB, so it saves a lot of time later.
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    Thanks to all valuable sharing.
    My first digital back was P25+ and then P45+, IQ260, mostly on Alpa Max with Rodie HR lens. Before HB announce X1D, I even buy back a P25+ To use with my 500c with my favorite C100 & C250SA. I enjoy it very much until HB announce the X1D. I sold almost everything after I got 4116. I bought a few Pentax67 lens, they are dirt cheap with pleasing quality, but when I go out, I always go with native XCD lens, I must say the present Xcd120 and 90 are my favorite. But I still enjoy very much using the full mechanical 500 series body. I guess itís more a mental thing than chasing pixel.

    Side story, I want to have a Leica Monochrom with the size of the present M10 and without the standard LCD screen like MD. Itís a connection. I guess it works for me.

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    My dealer in the UK told me Hasselblad expected to start shipping the 907x in December

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Lundqvist View Post
    My dealer in the UK told me Hasselblad expected to start shipping the 907x in December
    Erik
    Did your dealer mention , when the CFV II 50 c will be delivered ? ? ? No answer from my dealer so far .
    I am not talking about the set , which I have on order , but the back alone , which I want to use on HASSELBLAD V-System cameras and more important , on ALPA cameras .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Erik
    Did your dealer mention , when the CFV II 50 c will be delivered ? ? ? No answer from my dealer so far .
    I am not talking about the set , which I have on order , but the back alone , which I want to use on HASSELBLAD V-System cameras and more important , on ALPA cameras .
    If I understood him correctly they only have information on the 907x and not of the normal edition of the back.
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