Site Sponsors
Results 1 to 27 of 27

Thread: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Hello
    Im new in this forum.
    I use in the past Hasselblad System 503 with analog film and later with digiback PO 45.
    Now I have the system in title and learning the handling.
    I make landscape.
    Did someone use the hyperfocal tool to generate good depth of sharpness?
    I saw the PO webinar Hyperfocal Focus using Wide Angle Lenses.
    https://learn.phaseone.com/medium-fo...enses-webinar/
    But I dont understand all things.

    Jochen(.de)

  2. #2
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,793
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    7

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    Hello
    I‘m new in this forum.
    I use in the past Hasselblad System 503 with analog film and later with digiback PO 45.
    Now I have the system in title and learning the handling.
    I make landscape.
    Did someone use the hyperfocal tool to generate good depth of sharpness?
    I saw the PO webinar Hyperfocal Focus using Wide Angle Lenses.
    https://learn.phaseone.com/medium-fo...enses-webinar/
    But I don‘t understand all things.

    Jochen(.de)
    This is one of my favorite tools. You can leave the camera on AF, but set the normal AF to the rear button (rather than shutter) and the HF to one of the other two buttons (e.g. your third finger) and with that trifecta of settings quickly manually, auto, or hyperfocal focus the system.

    Note that the HF tool is just a set-focus-distance-recall function, so can be used for a variety of non infinity purposes. For example for street photography you can lock it at 6 feet such that, at any moment, without looking through the camera or looking/using any menu/screen you can jump the focus to 6 feet.

    I'd really encourage you to work through this with your Phase One Dealer. It's literally their job to help you get the most out of these tools. This is a much harder tool to explain by text on a forum or general-audience video than it is 1:1 in person knowing your exact needs and wants. But hopefully the above helps you explore on your own, if you're so inclined.
    Doug Peterson , Digital Transitions | Email
    Dealer for: Phase One, Mamiya Leaf, Arca-Swiss, Cambo, Eizo, Profoto
    Office: 877.367.8537. Cell: 740.707.2183

  3. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Thanks for feedback

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    I'd really encourage you to work through this with your Phase One Dealer.
    It's literally their job to help you get the most out of these tools.
    Im agree.
    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    This is a much harder tool to explain by text on a forum or general-audience video than it is 1:1 in person knowing your exact needs and wants.
    Im agree.
    I see you are PO Dealer.
    Do you sure if I use the HF tool I have better handling the depth of sharpness by landscape as in the old days with manual focus and using the scale on lens by different apertures?

    Jochen

  4. #4
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,793
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    7

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    Do you sure if I use the HF tool I have better handling the depth of sharpness by landscape as in the old days with manual focus and using the scale on lens by different apertures?
    I am very sure the hyperfocal tool on the XF (if set up and used correctly) is far, far better than manually focusing a lens based on the DOF scale. The tool on the XF is both faster, more accurate, more consistent, and is tailored to your use case and priorities. Work with your dealer on some testing and training; if you haven't previously done a training with them on the XF that covered the HF tool then you'll likely find a bunch of other tools on the XF you aren't getting the most out of. It's a really powerful body!
    Doug Peterson , Digital Transitions | Email
    Dealer for: Phase One, Mamiya Leaf, Arca-Swiss, Cambo, Eizo, Profoto
    Office: 877.367.8537. Cell: 740.707.2183

  5. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    64
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    Hello
    Im new in this forum.
    I use in the past Hasselblad System 503 with analog film and later with digiback PO 45.
    Now I have the system in title and learning the handling.
    I make landscape.
    Did someone use the hyperfocal tool to generate good depth of sharpness?
    I saw the PO webinar Hyperfocal Focus using Wide Angle Lenses.
    https://learn.phaseone.com/medium-fo...enses-webinar/
    But I dont understand all things.

    Jochen(.de)
    Hello Jochen,

    nice to see you here...

    Greeting Gerd

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    Hello
    I saw the PO webinar Hyperfocal Focus using Wide Angle Lenses.
    Jochen(.de)
    Next week I have an instruction from dealer in HF as Doug say.
    Maybe I will prepare my questions for instructure.
    I see and hear in webinar something about MUC.
    I see in www a description about Lens Position: 73, see screenshot.
    I don't see in my picture nothing about Lens Position.

    Why no Lens Position in my picture?

    Jochen

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bildschirmfoto 2019-06-22 um 15.33.39.jpg 
Views:	9 
Size:	296.9 KB 
ID:	142487

  7. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    64
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Jochen - the MCU value is only written during the HF setup under description. Outside the HF setup no MCU value is pushed.

    Greeting Gerd

  8. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerd View Post
    Jochen - the MCU value is only written during the HF setup under description. Outside the HF setup no MCU value is pushed.

    Greeting Gerd
    It works only by tethering?

    Jochen

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    64
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    I only used the HF setup with tethering. But the writing of the MCU value into the description field is done by the XF in the HF setup mode - Tethering should actually not be necessary for the writing of the value.

    Greeting Gerd

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Munich
    Posts
    1,037
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Its an amazing tool! I used it regularly and just wish Phase One would make it possible to store more than one point! However, I have asked for it over and over again and so I mostly give up.... so sad, could be so easy and amazing.
    Christopher Hauser
    http://www.chauser.eu

  11. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerd View Post
    I only used the HF setup with tethering. But the writing of the MCU value into the description field is done by the XF in the HF setup mode - Tethering should actually not be necessary for the writing of the value.

    Greeting Gerd
    Aha, yesterday I used HF without experience.
    I don't focus the red house I think?
    I'm not sure.
    The MUC was write, see screenshot.
    166, 171, 176, 181, 186.
    Is it right if MUC were 0 that means the lens focus are infinitely.
    But I must focus the lens to the horizon?

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bildschirmfoto 2019-06-22 um 20.39.57.jpg 
Views:	6 
Size:	18.1 KB 
ID:	142488

    Jochen

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Now I made five other HF shoots.
    The focus was on the flagpole in the middle
    The MUC = LP was write, see screenshot.
    19, 24, 29, 34, 39.
    After the shoots the value 29 was seen in HF display.
    Why not 39?

    Jochen

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bildschirmfoto 2019-06-22 um 21.10.44.jpg 
Views:	14 
Size:	18.9 KB 
ID:	142489

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    I read in https://captureintegration.com/xf-hy...l-calibration/ following:

    The camera will shoot one frame at the spot the lens is currently focused at, with two shots at equal increments closer to camera and two shots at equal increments farther

    My test show 19, 24, 29, 34, 39.
    That means the AF motor move lens nearly to me.
    Is it right?
    If Yes the info in link is wrong.
    You agree?

    Jochen

  14. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    I read in https://captureintegration.com/xf-hy...l-calibration/ following:

    The camera will shoot one frame at the spot the lens is currently focused at, with two shots at equal increments closer to camera and two shots at equal increments farther

    My test show 19, 24, 29, 34, 39.
    That means the AF motor move lens nearly to me.
    Is it right?
    If Yes the info in link is wrong.
    You agree?

    Jochen
    My mistake.
    I think the LP focus on flagpole in the middle is 29.
    19, 24 focus is further.
    34, 39 focus is nearer.
    So it's clear my sentence before.

    After the shoots the value 29 was seen in HF display.

    See screenshot

    Jochen

    Name:  Bildschirmfoto 2019-06-23 um 15.55.11.png
Views: 182
Size:  17.6 KB

  15. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    24
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    5

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Hello Jochen
    There may be a language issue here but it would be a whole lot worse if I was to try and help in anything other than English!

    Just so that we are on the same wavelength, my understanding of the term Hyperfocal is that it is the closest focusing point for a particular lens/sensor combination, at a given aperture, that also enables objects at infinity to be acceptably sharp.

    There are plenty better explanations on the internet but hopefully this covers what you are trying to achieve but, if your furthest required “in focus” distance is less than infinity, it will the same principles but with a modified technique.
    I can see from your screenshots that you are using an IQ3 50mp sensor and SK 150mm lens at f10.

    According to the Lumariver DOF app (at my C of C settings) the Hyperfocal distance for an SK 150mm Lens at f10 on the your sensor is 166 metres. Which will then give everything from 83.2m to ♾ in sharp focus.
    You are using the Calibration tool on the XF and have taken 5 frames at 5 MCU intervals and you should be looking at which of those frames has ♾ in sharp focus or is the closest to having it sharp.

    The sequence you show (and asked whether it is correct) looks right to me - with the middle one (29) being your selected focus point to test.
    You then have two focused further away (24 & 19) and two nearer (34 & 39).
    It is at ,this point that I’m not sure I understand your question so please forgive me if my explanation below is irrelevant to you but I’m hoping it might help.
    In your second test shots I can’t really see whether you have anything at ♾ in your shots (which may be a problem as ♾ is almost as far away as eternity ).
    If you do it’s then just a case studying the points of focus in each frame and, if none of them are achieving sharp ♾, it’s just a matter of deciding which direction you need to go with your trial focusing - by increasing or decreasing your MCU - and then repeating the process all over again and shooting the 5 test frames. Until you find the one that gives the result you want.
    It is your judgement that counts here and the XF will not decide the HF point for you. Infinity is almost certainly not going to be at 0 on your lens (it isn’t on any of mine) so don’t let that confuse you.

    Once you have found the MCU that gives the focus depth you want, it’s then just a matter of saving that value from the hyperfocal calibration tool. And then, if the HF focusing icon is selected, it will go back to this focus point every time for this lens. And it will be spot on if you have calibrated it correctly and are using the same aperture.

    The XF is a great tool and has so many useful functions that it takes a while to get to know them. But it is worth the effort.
    I hope that this helps.
    Paul.

    I wrote this before reading your last post so there is some unnecessary explanation above. Sorry.
    Last edited by 4*Paul; 23rd June 2019 at 10:40.

  16. #16
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by 4*Paul View Post
    Hello Jochen

    I wrote this before reading your last post so there is some unnecessary explanation above. Sorry.
    Hello Paul.
    Thanks for feedback.
    I will read your explanation later.
    Before I play with the HF tool my first thinking was that I can define deepth of sharpeners direct with the XF.
    Now I learned I must do this with support of CAPTUREONE or other RAW converter.

    Jochen

  17. #17
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,793
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    7

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    Hello Paul.
    Thanks for feedback.
    I will read your explanation later.
    Before I play with the HF tool my first thinking was that I can define deepth of sharpeners direct with the XF.
    Now I learned I must do this with support of CAPTUREONE or other RAW converter.

    Jochen
    In camera review can also be used. It is not required to use Capture One, though that would be my preferred way.
    Doug Peterson , Digital Transitions | Email
    Dealer for: Phase One, Mamiya Leaf, Arca-Swiss, Cambo, Eizo, Profoto
    Office: 877.367.8537. Cell: 740.707.2183

  18. #18
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    24
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    5

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    In camera review can also be used. It is not required to use Capture One, though that would be my preferred way.
    Definitely my preferred way for rather aged eyes.
    In Capture One at 100% magnification on a minimum of 13 laptop is the only way I can be confident that my focus is truly sharp. Who knows when I will want to print at 5ft wide
    Best of luck.
    Paul.

  19. #19
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Hello

    I have shoot five pictures with standard settings in HF tool.
    I use AF and focus horizon of the sea.
    Then I switch to HF tool and XF make the work.
    Is it right workflow?

    You see an overview and the five shoots with different lens position.
    Did You see the different sharpness?
    What's Your rating or opinion?

    JochenClick image for larger version. 

Name:	Uebersicht 2019-06-23 um 22.12.55.jpg 
Views:	10 
Size:	249.4 KB 
ID:	142536Click image for larger version. 

Name:	LP 18 2019-06-23 um 22.14.40.jpg 
Views:	7 
Size:	201.7 KB 
ID:	142537Click image for larger version. 

Name:	LP 23 2019-06-23 um 22.15.04.jpg 
Views:	7 
Size:	210.1 KB 
ID:	142538Click image for larger version. 

Name:	LP 28 2019-06-23 um 22.15.17.jpg 
Views:	5 
Size:	212.6 KB 
ID:	142539Click image for larger version. 

Name:	LP 33 2019-06-23 um 22.15.34.jpg 
Views:	6 
Size:	223.7 KB 
ID:	142540Click image for larger version. 

Name:	LP 38 2019-06-23 um 22.15.48.jpg 
Views:	9 
Size:	244.5 KB 
ID:	142541

  20. #20
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    24
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    5

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    Hello


    You see an overview and the five shoots with different lens position.
    Did You see the different sharpness?
    What's Your rating or opinion?
    Hello Jochen
    Im only looking at these on an iPad and Im not sure that the sea is really the best feature to check sharpness - its very pretty though!
    From what I can see, the files with Lens Position (MCU) of 33 and 38 seem to have the sea in sharp focus. And the foreground flowers (weeds?) are beginning to come into focus at LP 38.
    I must emphasise that Im no expert on this but have done it several times now and my recommendation would be to do another 5 shots at 38, 43, 48 and 53.
    You will see the flowers coming more into focus and, hopefully one of the shots will still have the sea sharp.
    The problem is that you may not be able to do that if (from the Lumariver App) those flowers are less than 83.2m away. The theoretically calculated HF of your 150mm lens at f10 will only encompass ♾ to 83.2m. But it is worth trying.
    Ideally though I would suggest finding a test location with distant towers or pylons and some mid distance things that will give you a much better chance of checking focus.
    Hope that helps - you are getting closer!
    Paul.

  21. #21
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by 4*Paul View Post
    Hello Jochen

    I must emphasise that Im no expert on this but have done it several times now and my recommendation would be to do another 5 shots at 38, 43, 48 and 53.
    You will see the flowers coming more into focus and, hopefully one of the shots will still have the sea sharp.
    Paul.
    Hello Paul
    You recommended five shoots, you recommended four values.
    When I go in HF Tool I can define the starting point.
    I learned this now.
    The starting point is in the middle between the other.
    Later I start at 43 so I have 33, 38, 43, 48, 53.
    Later I start at 48 so I have 38, 43, 48, 53, 58.

    Im actual on Dnemark coast North Sea and have no good sceneries as You recommended.
    Maybe later.

    Jochen
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post

  22. #22
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    Later I start at 43 so I have 33, 38, 43, 48, 53.
    Later I start at 48 so I have 38, 43, 48, 53, 58.
    Jochen
    I shoot two sceneries with above settings.
    I must look about sharpness from foreground to background.
    Hard working!
    The pictures show only RAW in CaptureOnePro 12.0.1.35, no image processing performed.

    The lighthouse in the first is about 3,5 km.
    The lighthouse in the second about 15 km.

    Jochen

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bildschirmfoto 2019-06-24 um 22.07.13.jpg 
Views:	5 
Size:	19.5 KB 
ID:	142577Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bildschirmfoto 2019-06-24 um 22.07.58.jpg 
Views:	8 
Size:	19.0 KB 
ID:	142578

  23. #23
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Hello Paul
    Thanks for feedback via PM.
    The next screenshots show 100% of lighthouse in background.
    Distance 3,5/ 15 km.(2,2 miles/ 9,3 miles)
    Both pictures are edit automatic in COP without extra sharpness.
    Means standard values for the 150 mm lens.
    Did you mean ist should LP lower, both are 33?
    If you interest I can send the original RAW via dropbox.

    Jochen

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bildschirmfoto 2019-06-25 um 09.10.33.jpg 
Views:	4 
Size:	494.0 KB 
ID:	142587Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bildschirmfoto 2019-06-25 um 09.11.19.jpg 
Views:	6 
Size:	466.5 KB 
ID:	142588

  24. #24
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    24
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    5

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    If you interest I can send the original RAW via dropbox.
    Hello Jochen
    Happy to have a look at them if you put them on Dropbox and send me a link via PM.
    Paul

  25. #25
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by 4*Paul View Post
    Hello Jochen
    Happy to have a look at them if you put them on Dropbox and send me a link via PM.
    Paul

    Thanks.
    I have send the link via PM.
    Remark.
    The pictures are not good composition. Only for testing HF.
    Today I have talking with my PO dealer about HF tool and other things.
    It was helpful.

    Jochen

  26. #26
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    24
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    5

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by spassig View Post
    Thanks.
    I have send the link via PM.
    Jochen
    Hello Jochen
    Ive just looked at your photos in C1 and youve definitely nailed ♾ focus at LP 33. The lighthouse is sharp in both shots.
    It may be worth now taking a series at smaller steps of MCU to see if it is possible to get anything closer in focus while keeping your lighthouse nice and sharp - maybe steps of just 1 MCU could work.
    So if you choose LP 35 as your HF and use the focus bracketing function in the HF Calibration tool again you will get frames at 33, 34, 35, 36 & 37.
    If any of those frames taken at higher than 33 keep the lighthouse in focus then you are there.
    Paul.
    Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked for this post

  27. #27
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Posts
    29
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: PhaseOne XQ3/XF Hyperfocal Tool

    Quote Originally Posted by 4*Paul View Post
    Hello Jochen
    I’ve just looked at your photos in C1 and you’ve definitely nailed ♾ focus at LP 33. The lighthouse is sharp in both shots.
    It may be worth now taking a series at smaller steps of MCU to see if it is possible to get anything closer in focus while keeping your lighthouse nice and sharp - maybe steps of just 1 MCU could work.
    So if you choose LP 35 as your HF and use the focus bracketing function in the HF Calibration tool again you will get frames at 33, 34, 35, 36 & 37.
    If any of those frames taken at higher than 33 keep the lighthouse in focus then you are there.
    Paul.
    Paul
    Thanks.
    I will do so later when not so windy and clear air.
    What do you think above the foreground and sharpness?
    I give feedback.

    Jochen

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •