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    Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Has anyone set up a small tablet PC to drive tethered C1 wireless to IQ4-150?

    I have a number of Surface Pro’s & Wacom Mobile Studio Pro etc but all large 15-16in and heavy and am looking at something small enough to provide a C1 deployment that can replace Capture Pilot (RIP ... btw since not supported on IQ4) that I’ve used with my IQ3 100.

    I’m thinking something small enough with enough power as a tablet to provide live view in the field. 8GB ram, 128GB SSD and 8-10in Tablet display would seem to be sufficient. Just good enough for field use, not necessarily post processing.

    Anyone tried this yet? Looking at options where the laptop can create the wireless AP and C1 server to connect to the IQ4 in the field.

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Wouldn't it be simpler to do a portable hdmi monitor?
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    I have the small HD 702 but the problem I had with that tethered to the IQ3 was that I could only zoom on center vs anywhere.

    Hmm, but maybe the live view/focus mask might work ... a test for the weekend!
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    With the IQ4, you can move around the external HDMI monitor screen view at 100%, with aid of blue arrows on the LCD of the back. Only problem is that you are still tied to the LCD of the back, and HDMI only works for Live View, no playback. For me the playback issue is just as important.

    Would love to see a solution that allowed for a iPhone or iPad use free of tethering like the Capture Pilot solution for older Phase backs, or HDMI playback for image review not just Live View.

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Thanks - good to know. I'll give it a try.
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Have you looked at the Surface Go?

    10" screen
    4GB or 8GB RAM
    1.17 lbs (532g)
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Quote Originally Posted by Massive Si View Post
    Have you looked at the Surface Go?

    10" screen
    4GB or 8GB RAM
    1.17 lbs (532g)
    Anyone using this with the IQ4? As much as I am not a big fan of Microsoft products seems like a good solution until something comes out that works on the iPad Pro. Seems fairly inexpensive and may be worth it even as a temporary solution.

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Quote Originally Posted by Mexecutioner View Post
    Anyone using this with the IQ4? As much as I am not a big fan of Microsoft products seems like a good solution until something comes out that works on the iPad Pro. Seems fairly inexpensive and may be worth it even as a temporary solution.
    I'm a Mac guy through and through, but I have a Surface 3 that's 2-3 years old, and it actually works reasonably well in this capacity. The newer Surface Go is more capable and a bargain for this purpose. I've tested the 3 only enough to know it works, albeit sluggishly, though I doubt I will carry it with me as my workflow isn't generally organized around tethering.
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Quote Originally Posted by drunkenspyder View Post
    I'm a Mac guy through and through, but I have a Surface 3 that's 2-3 years old, and it actually works reasonably well in this capacity. The newer Surface Go is more capable and a bargain for this purpose. I've tested the 3 only enough to know it works, albeit sluggishly, though I doubt I will carry it with me as my workflow isn't generally organized around tethering.
    Good to know. May have to bite the bullet on this one just like when I had to buy and Android tablet to control a motion control / time lapse system I had.

    If iOS support comes along I can always find someone that likes it and finds it useful and get rid of it.
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Such a shame we even have to have this discussion.
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    I use a small 13inch laptop, that converts into a tablet for portable tethering with my 3100. A HP x360 with a 4k display.
    It might ba a bit big for your use. i think Toshiba should bring back their Libretto range!

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anwarp View Post
    I use a small 13inch laptop, that converts into a tablet for portable tethering with my 3100. A HP x360 with a 4k display.
    It might ba a bit big for your use. i think Toshiba should bring back their Libretto range!

    Good luck!

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    Thereís a couple very small 5inch atom tablets from no name vendors on alibaba, but an atom might not handle a 150mp image well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buildbot View Post
    Thereís a couple very small 5inch atom tablets from no name vendors on alibaba, but an atom might not handle a 150mp image well.
    I was using a wacom mobile studio 16 and I was underwhelmed with the performance.

    But if you are keen

    Try the mobile studio 13, if you are inclined.

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    I already have a Wacom Mobile Studio Pro 16 - way too big for what Iím looking for. Ditto MS Surface Pro - I need something closer as a tablet to my iPad Pro 10in.

    i donít need to post process on it, just larger screen focus and image review.
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I already have a Wacom Mobile Studio Pro 16 - way too big for what Iím looking for. Ditto MS Surface Pro - I need something closer as a tablet to my iPad Pro 10in.

    i donít need to post process on it, just larger screen focus and image review.
    Hi Graham. I was in the same boat and ended up with this. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...2_2.html/specs.

    It's a bit larger at 12" but it works fine for me for the same purposes you describe.

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Quote Originally Posted by Boinger View Post
    In regard to using an HDMI monitor for composing/focusing on the IQ4, if you haven't done it, you might be disappointed. You would think, the HDMI output would mirror what you see on the IQ display so when you do things you're just getting a nice bigger version. But it doesn't really work that way. It's very convoluted and using it to zoom in and focus is the most bizarre system I have seen (you have to go back into the menus and move a dot around on the IQ back to change the portion of the image you want to check focus on). And, as far as I can tell, there is no playback for images you have already shot to the HDMI output.

    So, if you are looking to replace the Capture Pilot iPad experience with an HDMI monitor, you may want to just play around with it on your TV at home and see if it's going to work for you in the field before buying a small monitor.

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    At ~$500 the Surface Go seems to be the best option from this thread. Any reasons not to go down that path? Also how do folks mount something like a Surface Go to your tripods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedigitalbean View Post
    Also how do folks mount something like a Surface Go to your tripods?
    I would ask Ken Doo or Don Libby, but first ask them to rename their contraption (Googling it will take you to a variety of NSFW sites).
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedigitalbean View Post
    At ~$500 the Surface Go seems to be the best option from this thread. Any reasons not to go down that path? Also how do folks mount something like a Surface Go to your tripods?
    I usually go straight on the camera with custom mounts. It's more natural to make camera adjustments while looking in the same direction as the camera instead of down at your tripod. Kind of like an 8x10 ground glass.

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Is there really no show last captured image option to the hdmi screen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinktank View Post
    Is there really no show last captured image option to the hdmi screen?
    It's totally possible that I'm an idiot but I couldn't get it to work as of a couple days ago. Also, stuff like no picture or HDMI settings resetting would take place at unpredictable times.

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    As for mounting, my normal tether arrangement is a MacBook Pro 13 on a Magic Arm + Inovativ DigiPlate Lite. The DP Lite might be a bit excessive for a Surface-style tablet, but for slightly heavier rigs, mine works great. Review: http://www.mkphotomedia.com/blog/fie...al-photography
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkphotomedia View Post
    As for mounting, my normal tether arrangement is a MacBook Pro 13 on a Magic Arm + Inovativ DigiPlate Lite. The DP Lite might be a bit excessive for a Surface-style tablet, but for slightly heavier rigs, mine works great. Review: http://www.mkphotomedia.com/blog/fie...al-photography
    ...and to follow up on the question at the bottom of my review: I did end up switching to an Arca plate (Inovativ makes one that I should have bought if only they'd advertised that they have one, but I used one I had around the gear crib and a couple of fender washers), and equipping the Magic Arm with a cheapass Arca clamp receiver. Makes the whole rig much more convenient and flexible without the DigiBase hanging off the plate all the time--and it saves about a pound and a half.

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    Looks like a nice solution - thanks for sharing the link and update!

    I tether to my Macbook in the field and have been looking on and off for a lightweight solution for mounting other than tossing into the tripod hammock (which actually works well enough for me). If I could attach an Arca-Swiss plate to the bottom of one of the ubiquitous plastic laptop cases available online, this would eliminate the need for the metal frame, which for me would add more weight and bulk than I'd be willing to carry while hiking in the woods...

    Apologies for dragging this thread further off topic...

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Quote Originally Posted by mkphotomedia View Post
    As for mounting, my normal tether arrangement is a MacBook Pro 13 on a Magic Arm + Inovativ DigiPlate Lite. The DP Lite might be a bit excessive for a Surface-style tablet, but for slightly heavier rigs, mine works great. Review: http://www.mkphotomedia.com/blog/fie...al-photography
    Nice review of the DigiPlate. I'm bummed that the presale support was dismal at best. It sounds like you've made some great solutions for it. Also, to lighten the load even more you could directly screw the DigiPlate to the end of a MagicArm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFD View Post
    I usually go straight on the camera with custom mounts. It's more natural to make camera adjustments while looking in the same direction as the camera instead of down at your tripod. Kind of like an 8x10 ground glass.

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    And what kind of tablet does your picture shows?
    Does it runs capture one via usb and does the live view works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinktank View Post
    Is there really no show last captured image option to the hdmi screen?
    If you are referring to using HDMI for playback, currently there is no support. Only Live View. Which is a huge oversight as any other camera I know of with HDMI support allows for playback/image review. It just part of the HDMI stream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joegl View Post
    And what kind of tablet does your picture shows?
    Does it runs capture one via usb and does the live view works?
    This is an old iPad Mini on a IQ3. It was just to illustrate mounting a tablet on the Cambo. So, does not run capture one and no the live view does not work with an IQ4.

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    iPad mini would be nice but no capture pilot with IQ4
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    Quote Originally Posted by jng View Post
    I would ask Ken Doo or Don Libby, but first ask them to rename their contraption (Googling it will take you to a variety of NSFW sites).
    Well, you have to admit it gives you a great excuse if you happen to get caught by your wife surfing the porn sites.

    Lots of clamping experiments before I was able to cobble together a nice small clamp solution using rare earth magnets. See, https://kendoophotography.wordpress....clamp-choices/

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Has anybody tried to tether the IQ4150 with the Surface Go?

    I was talking with Don Libby, a respected enabler, who uses the Surface Go (running Windows 10 Pro) with Capture One as a viewer for his Fuji GFX100 image files (not for processing) when traveling. The Surface Go has a USB C plug. Don has not tried to tether his GFX100.

    What I find significant is that the Surface Go (a tablet) can run Capture One. I'll place bets that the Surface Go can tether with the IQ4150. It may take longer to view the images when tethered, but perhaps this offers a stop-gap measure for viewing/focusing the IQ4150 while on location until Phase One (finally) catches up and releases firmware so that the stated IQ4 feature sets can be fully realized, such as Capture Pilot. I also take pride in goading Graham Welland into purchasing more Microsoft/Windows products over Apple. An external lithium battery pack might be a good idea for charging and for extended shooting capability.

    Has anyone used the Surface Go for tethering with the IQ4150?

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    I'll admit to not having a dog in this fight however I have been using the Go for several months now without an issue. My Go has 8GB RAM, 1.60GHz, running Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. The main drive is 119GB with a micro card 365GB.

    I have C1-12 installed and use it to view files that were shot during the day and to save to an external drive. While I think I could tether I simply have no real need. Battery life seems to be okay as well.
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    I have had it hinted to me from someone under NDA that there is project to tether to IPAD pro over USB C and I'm guessing a IPAD version of capture one. This would be a massive undertaking and would take a long time... Probably why its a long time after the IQ1 150 release but I am hoping coming soon..

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Yes, maybe an Ipad version of C1 would be available sometime in the future---but why make Graham Welland wait?

    C'mon, Graham. Surface Go!

    Let us know how it works


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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Yes, maybe an Ipad version of C1 would be available sometime in the future---but why make Graham Welland wait?

    C'mon, Graham. Surface Go!

    Let us know how it works

    With a Intel Pentium 4415Y @ 1.60GHz in the Surface Go, Graham might be waiting about the same amount of time for his images to process as it takes P1 to bring out an IPAD version.. :-D

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    The whole discussion is just sad. Why is there still no iPad Tablet option?!? Itís sad as hell. I found a work around with my dealer with a surface pro, but honestly, itís a work around nothing more. It feels like 2000 bit like 2020.... in my opinion the whole firmware update and communication from phase one has been underwhelming...

    I donít get it and I wouldnít invest in a company which currently lost it completely.... I have always been a supporter and have over 100k in phase one gear, but the whole Iq4 story is just sad.
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    I have a Surface Go but haven’t been able to make it work with the IQ4150 tethered via USB C and live view. That said, I haven’t tried it with C1-20 or the latest IQ4 firmware.

    I’ll give it another try with the updates.

    I agree about the lack of iPad support.
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Is the latest IQ4150 FW OK to use now?

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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    I went to look at the Surface Go's at Best buy a week ago but seemed like such a waste of money for a band aid, so I couldn't talk myself into it. I will stick to my USB-C iPad Pro and hope one day I get to use it with my 4150.
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    Re: Small tablet to drive IQ4-150

    Quote Originally Posted by Mexecutioner View Post
    I went to look at the Surface Go's at Best buy a week ago but seemed like such a waste of money for a band aid, so I couldn't talk myself into it. I will stick to my USB-C iPad Pro and hope one day I get to use it with my 4150.
    Tried to get myself down the same path. Same outcome.
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