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    What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    A friend of mine wants something close to the IQ of the X1D for Portraits mainly and a Carry around camera.
    I was thinking Nikon D850. Any suggestions are helpful. The lenses on the X1D are the expensive issue. Thanks
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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    Leica M10/M11 with APO 50 Summicron comes to mind. Price might be a bit out of whack - but you cant fault the image quality.
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    Absolutely the D850. X1D might be a hair better but you won't notice. Best camera I have ever owned including medium format digital

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    OK so the D850 is closest to X1D with AF Nikon Lenses? Thank you. I appreciate all suggestions

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    Since he already has a D810 he will appreciate the little bump in resolution and the ability to use the lenses he already has.

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    I agree on the D850. Be aware also that, if money is an issue, the D810 is still a fantastic camera, particularly at ISO 64. When it comes to lenses, it's important to be aware of what the purpose is. Some like Sigma's Art series for their sharpness, others like Zeiss Milvus (or the classic ZF/ZF.2) for their beautiful rendering and colours. Native Nikkors are good starting points though, even the "budget" f/1.8 series. The new Tamron 35mm f/1.4 also seems to be a very safe bet.

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

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    OK so the D850 is closest to X1D with AF Nikon Lenses? Thank you. I appreciate all suggestions
    First define closest. I don’t know what quality of the X1D you are valuing, and in fact why the X1D is the “gold standard” by which you are building your comparison on. Nice camera, but lots of cameras deliver terrific results, it’s more about the person using the camera.

    Second, from this statement you are reaching a conclusion and opinion based on a single reply by a person who is a d850 owner, and quite biased one at that ... and I”m not criticizing Doug for his very open bias, nothing wrong with it, we all have bias towards our choices. But how can any one who hasn’t shot shot extensively with other options (especially an X1D) such as Canon or more importantly Sony how can they offer any legitimate opinion to answer your question?

    I’ll be honest, I can’t tell you what’s “closest”, and I would never make a statement implying such because I have no clue what an X1D offers. I will tell you that I can get results I’m happy with using Sony and the a7r4 is a pretty amazing piece of hardware, and the limit of my comparative expertise would be Sony, Fuji, and Phase One. If you can get opinions from those who own an X1D as well as other options, such as d850, a7r4, etc, then you might have some useful opinions.

    And what really puzzles me is why you are asking for a friend. Seems your friend should be doing the research on this.
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    Well it's not a DSLR but...whatever.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Sony A7R4. A 60mp Sony sensor is nothing to scoff at, you can bet it'll be in the D8xx that comes next. Plus the Zony lenses will likely have that bite that the X1D lenses have. You mentioned 'carry around' and a Sony with a lens like the 55/1.8 or 35/2.8 is VERY comfy to carry around. Like classic film SLR small.

    The D850 is a near perfect work camera, but I would not use it outside the confines of work. It's kind of a honker for travel, hikes, day trips etc.

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    If he wants something more “carry friendly” the A7R4 would certainly fit the bill. Much higher resolution than his current 810 and way more than the 850 and certainly a better sensor which the new Nikon whatever will be getting at some point.

    Perhaps this individual could go to a camera store or ask some questions himself. I think that would be very productive.

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    I also would suggest Sony's a7r3 (a great bargain now) or a7r4, even though neither is a DSLR While imperfect, to me they currently represent pinnacles of general digital 35 mm format excellence. The Leica M10P is a wonderful camera (also not a DSLR) but if you want a 35 mm camera that can rival the x1D in terms of image quality, I would go for the a7r3/4 over the Leica (plus the Sony bodies and lenses are roughly 1/3 the cost!)

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    Thank you for all your suggestions. I will pass these on to my friend

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    Fuji GFX 50R or S with 110/2 ...

    (although as ex-Nikon shooter I can’t fault the D850)
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    "First define closest. I don’t know what quality of the X1D you are valuing, and in fact why the X1D is the “gold standard” by which you are building your comparison on. Nice camera, but lots of cameras deliver terrific results, it’s more about the person using the camera."

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    Quote Originally Posted by rollsman44 View Post
    A friend of mine wants something close to the IQ of the X1D for Portraits mainly and a Carry around camera.
    I was thinking Nikon D850. Any suggestions are helpful. The lenses on the X1D are the expensive issue. Thanks
    Didn't you get enough input on almost the same question a week ago?. Or is this for a different friend
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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Fuji GFX 50R or S with 110/2 ...

    (although as ex-Nikon shooter I can’t fault the D850)
    The OP *did* request DSLR. Maybe a GFX 50S with a hand mirror?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollsman44 View Post
    A friend of mine wants something close to the IQ of the X1D for Portraits mainly and a Carry around camera.
    I was thinking Nikon D850. Any suggestions are helpful. The lenses on the X1D are the expensive issue. Thanks
    I have seen and compared lots of RAW files from different formats and I have come to the conclusion that the differences among the 50mp cameras are mostly academic regardless of the format. It all comes down to personal preferences and usability. If your friend is a current Nikon user, then the D850 or Z7 are the cameras to get. If he is a Canon user, then the 5Dsr will fit the bill. The Sony A7R series cameras are no slouches either. Each of these cameras will do the job and you will be hard pressed to see any differences among them.

    So, my suggestion would be to pick a camera based on the lenses you have now and the usability and the work flow.

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    I would go with the A7r3 or the A7r4 not just for the size savings, but for the AF accuracy. The combination of tracking AF with eye detect makes getting consistent critically in focus results so much easier. IQ wise, I'm not sure I could tell the difference between the high rez Sonys and the D850.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    or here, week and a half ago, may be a different friend though:

    https://forum.luminous-landscape.com...topic=132281.0

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    This is for a friend. Thanks

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    OK I think by now I have enough info to pass on to him. By the way he is currently using a Nikon D 810 for portraits and general use. Thank you everyone for your recommendations

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    OK I think by now I have enough info to pass on to him. By the way he is currently using a Nikon D 810 for portraits and general use. Thank you everyone for your recommendations

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollsman44 View Post
    OK I think by now I have enough info to pass on to him. By the way he is currently using a Nikon D 810 for portraits and general use. Thank you everyone for your recommendations
    So he already is invested in the Nikon DSLR range? D850 is the obvious candidate if the D810 needs an upgrade.

    If he was invested in the Canon DSLR system, either the 5Ds(r) or the 5Dmk4 depending on which has less annoying limitations. If invested in Sony, A7r3/4 (? I guess, I don’t know the Sony system that well).

    If not invested in any FF system, go into a camera shop and handle them all, as well as the Nikon Z and Canon R cameras. Starting from scratch I personally would go for one of the mirrorless options over a DSLR as they are clearly the future, but that is a personal thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollsman44 View Post
    OK I think by now I have enough info to pass on to him. By the way he is currently using a Nikon D 810 for portraits and general use. Thank you everyone for your recommendations
    What is he "missing" in his D810 that makes him long for a X1D?

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    Thank you everyone for all your recommendations. He will stay with the D810 and 37Mpix is more than enough.
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    I would be inclined to upgrade his lenses. I went from an H4D to a D800 and then D850. The image quality is very close and with adapted Leica R lenses you get a beautiful image. The H glass is good but the Leica lenses really sing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Fox View Post
    First define closest. I don’t know what quality of the X1D you are valuing, and in fact why the X1D is the “gold standard” by which you are building your comparison on. Nice camera, but lots of cameras deliver terrific results, it’s more about the person using the camera.

    Second, from this statement you are reaching a conclusion and opinion based on a single reply by a person who is a d850 owner, and quite biased one at that ... and I”m not criticizing Doug for his very open bias, nothing wrong with it, we all have bias towards our choices. But how can any one who hasn’t shot shot extensively with other options (especially an X1D) such as Canon or more importantly Sony how can they offer any legitimate opinion to answer your question?

    I’ll be honest, I can’t tell you what’s “closest”, and I would never make a statement implying such because I have no clue what an X1D offers. I will tell you that I can get results I’m happy with using Sony and the a7r4 is a pretty amazing piece of hardware, and the limit of my comparative expertise would be Sony, Fuji, and Phase One. If you can get opinions from those who own an X1D as well as other options, such as d850, a7r4, etc, then you might have some useful opinions.

    And what really puzzles me is why you are asking for a friend. Seems your friend should be doing the research on this.
    Very wise words...

    I would ask, what is meant by image quality?

    • There is noise level, often called (SNR), which tells how smooth midtones are. Than there is dynamic range, which essentially says how much the shadows can be pushed without excessive noise.
    • Than we have sharpness, which is almost entirely related to lens, although the sensor can also play a role.
    • To that comes ghosting, weiling flare, residual errors, etc.


    The Hasselblad X1D has a Sony sensor. There are two DSLRs actually using the same sensor the Pentax 645Z and the Phase One FX combined with the IQ350 sensor.

    If the OP is asking about 24x36 mm DSLRs, the Nikon 850 is an obvious answer, as it uses a Sony sensor, similar to the X1D.

    If the OP means 24x36 mm, the Sony A7rIV probably has the best match for the X1D sensorwise, but it is no DSLR.

    For sharpness, it is more about lenses than cameras. The lenses for the X1D seem to be very good, but quite expensive.

    The Fuji GFX 50 uses the same sensor, but the lenses are quite affordable. The GFX system also has a 100 MP sensor. Expensive but it may make a lot of sense.

    Nikon Z7 uses a high resolution Sony sensor and the new lenses are probably pretty good. With the Sony you get plenty of lens options. Some very good, some less good.

    Just to say, I don't know if a DSLR (flipping mirror) camera makes a lot of sense these days. EVF cameras use the sensor for focusing which can reduce/eliminate a lot of focusing issues.

    With lenses, it may be that you get what you pay for. There may be some exceptions, tough. Rational production may make lenses affordable. Large aperture lenses are easier to sell at high prices, so high quality medium aperture lenses may be a bit rare.

    In many cases, I would think the photographer may be the main limitation. Excellent optics and sensor may not help a lot if you need to stop down a lot for DoF or don't get focus exactly right.

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    What is he "missing" in his D810 that makes him long for a X1D?
    Hi,

    I cannot say, obviously...

    But a slightly larger sensor has some advantages. Think about same IQ at 160 ISO on the X1D as at 100 ISO on the D810.

    Foremost, the X1D seems to have really excellent lenses, at least based on the samples Vieri has shown. I don't think many lenses from Nikon can keep up with those.

    Medium format lenses usually have not so large maximum apertures but are often optimized for corner to corner sharpness.

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    Besides all of the above.... the color science wanted from the files, AF intent of use and whether or not he is using the file for large prints would be the most important questions to ask your friend before really anyone could give him an intelligent answer. But with those answers you could probably figure out which solutions would be best yourself.

    aps-c web use and small prints
    35mm web use and printing up to 20" with the right glass-30"
    medium more serious printing sizes available
    super med sensor any of the above and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bab View Post
    Besides all of the above.... the color science wanted from the files, AF intent of use and whether or not he is using the file for large prints would be the most important questions to ask your friend before really anyone could give him an intelligent answer. But with those answers you could probably figure out which solutions would be best yourself.

    aps-c web use and small prints
    35mm web use and printing up to 20" with the right glass-30"
    medium more serious printing sizes available
    super med sensor any of the above and more.
    The friend already made up his mind and is keeping his 810.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bab View Post
    Besides all of the above.... the color science wanted from the files, AF intent of use and whether or not he is using the file for large prints would be the most important questions to ask your friend before really anyone could give him an intelligent answer. But with those answers you could probably figure out which solutions would be best yourself.

    aps-c web use and small prints
    35mm web use and printing up to 20" with the right glass-30"
    medium more serious printing sizes available
    super med sensor any of the above and more.
    Not sure I would agree about print size. I have made excellent 30"-40" prints from APS-C and 60" prints from 35mm. The skill of the photographer/printer and the quality of the image have more to do with print size than the size of the sensor. I am not saying the sensor is irrelevant, just that print size would not be the defining limitation. Of course, a marginal MF file will be easier to print and print large than a marginal APS-C file, but neither are going to be great anyway. So while I would agree the quality of the sensor helps, if someone is looking to improve the quality of their images, particularly for printing, I might suggest figuring out if it is a limitation of the gear or skill set.

    Certainly looking into the color and color management is a good point. That is often neglected. Naturally, we are a little blind to the issue wanting to be solved and the images that are under question. The Q-word is always difficult to answer as everyone perceives it differently, especially in terms of their own work.

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    Re: What is the Closest DSLR Image Quality Compared to Hasselblad X1d

    Quote Originally Posted by Mexecutioner View Post
    The friend already made up his mind and is keeping his 810.
    Ah, but have we made up our minds? You can post a question at GetDPI, but we get to decide if it has been answered.

    (And to be fair, these threads get archived and someone else might find them useful...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Ah, but have we made up our minds? You can post a question at GetDPI, but we get to decide if it has been answered.

    (And to be fair, these threads get archived and someone else might find them useful...)

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