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    whats with the Dante stuff?

    curious as to what the 'in joke' is

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    I think it has to do with Dante's Inferno - a place that burns through cash of all those who enter on overpriced **** they don't need
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    And note the subheading of this forum:

    "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here." (Dante)
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by jng View Post
    And note the subheading of this forum:

    "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here." (Dante)
    Hope? What hope?
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    In a nutshell, "Dante's Inferno," and this forum, is a way of poking fun at ourselves for the perceived egregious amounts of money spent to enjoy our photographic pursuits. Once "invested" and a taste of medium format digital taken, it is very difficult to leave Purgatory.
    Hell, most here probably aren't even trying to leave.

    Those here that partake in Dante's Inferno appreciate life and the mere fact of being able to be here.

    There are other pursuits in life. Put it this way, for example, you could have bought a boat instead. All told, I like to remind myself that medium format digital is less expensive than a boat, and easier to take care of than horses.



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    If you are not a MF addict, you really cannot understand.
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post

    There are other pursuits in life. Put it this way, for example, you could have bought a boat instead. All told, I like to remind myself that medium format digital is less expensive than a boat, and easier to take care of than horses.



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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Lol!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massive Si View Post
    curious as to what the 'in joke' is
    Abandon hope.... I'm on my THIRD medium format system.

    Mamiya, Phase One, and now Fuji.

    All hope of ever returning to full frame with out feeling shorted in some way or another is impossible. I will bend what ever way necessary to justify my perception.

    The sad reality is that medium format is a fools game of marginal diminishing returns. Fuji APS-C shot well is close to a Sony 24mpix full frame, and a Sony 48 megapixel shot well is close to a Fuji 50 mpix, and NOTHING matches a phase one 150 mpix.

    Where does one stop.

    Right now the story that I'm sticking to is no corvette, no Harley, and no boat!

    Thus, I have entered the inferno and there is no way back!

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    I'm sure you've all heard the old adage the two happiest days of a yacht (boat) owners life: the day you buy her (boats are referred to in the female) and the day you sell her.

    I've felt that way about a few medium format cameras but in general no, not so much

    I have been both routes - many medium format systems chasing the diminishing returns and a boat - her name was Blue Luna Sea (many puns in there). Try using a medium format camera on a boat

    And of course just browse the medium format and coffee thread.......

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    I know nothing of Dante or the Medium Format Digital inferno. I just want a digital Hasselblad in the same form factor as my 500CM to complement my film Hasselblad.

    Why? I like shooting with that kind of camera.



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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by djonesii View Post
    Abandon hope.... I'm on my THIRD medium format system.

    Mamiya, Phase One, and now Fuji.

    All hope of ever returning to full frame with out feeling shorted in some way or another is impossible. I will bend what ever way necessary to justify my perception.

    The sad reality is that medium format is a fools game of marginal diminishing returns. Fuji APS-C shot well is close to a Sony 24mpix full frame, and a Sony 48 megapixel shot well is close to a Fuji 50 mpix, and NOTHING matches a phase one 150 mpix.

    Where does one stop.

    Right now the story that I'm sticking to is no corvette, no Harley, and no boat!

    Thus, I have entered the inferno and there is no way back!

    Dave

    Well... I don't fit in a Corvette (I'm 6'6"), I get crazy sea sick on a boat and my wife won't let me get a motorcycle (she used to ride a while ago and the guy she was dating at the time died in an accident), so I basically had no choice...

    Where does one stop? On the next back. The next will be my last back...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mexecutioner View Post
    Well... I don't fit in a Corvette (I'm 6'6"), I get crazy sea sick on a boat and my wife won't let me get a motorcycle (she used to ride a while ago and the guy she was dating at the time died in an accident), so I basically had no choice...

    Where does one stop? On the next back. The next will be my last back...
    So sorry your wife has this very sad memory. My 22 year-old cousin got out of the army on a Friday, bought a new motorcycle the next day, Saturday and died riding it on Sunday. When I dated a guy with a motorcycle, he had to park it a block away or my mother would have chased him away. I have taken a few falls on my e-bike and cannot imagine if I was going faster than 10 mph what type of injuries I could have endured.

    I fortunately do not have GAS when it comes to newer backs, but I enjoy having different medium format camera systems, so my addiction is hopeless!!

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    So sorry your wife has this very sad memory. My 22 year-old cousin got out of the army on a Friday, bought a new motorcycle the next day, Saturday and died riding it on Sunday. When I dated a guy with a motorcycle, he had to park it a block away or my mother would have chased him away. I have taken a few falls on my e-bike and cannot imagine if I was going faster than 10 mph what type of injuries I could have endured.


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    I have 3 motorcycles and I ride at least one of them every day. I took a spill at around 30mph a few years ago. My face hit the ground. I was wearing a full face helmet, so that was fine. I wore motorcycle boots, so that was fine too. I had my motorcycle gloves, not a scratch. My jacket was at the cleaners that day. Since I fell on the gravel, the gravel shot up and when it does, it's like a bunch of razor blades, so I had cuts on my arms. I drove myself to the hospital, they treated me and I was fine. I went home and I just had to come back every day for two weeks to change my dressing. Had I worn my motorcycle jacket, I would have walked away without a scratch.

    It's not so bad, you just have to be aware.
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abstraction View Post
    I used to have a sailboat. Anybody heard about the "3 foot rule"? That's the number of feet you increase in size for each new boat you buy. Like with cameras, the new boat always cost twice as much as what you get for the last one. Cameras, even medium format digital, are reasonable in comparison, particularly when it comes to maintenance.

    But I have learned... a little bit, so I shoot MF film. I just have to remember not to get carried away. It's two dollars per click and twenty for a hi-res scan. To explain to myself how smart I am buying obsolete stuff, I have an old Fuji price list at my desk, showing the original lens prices for the GX680 that I use

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    I've fallen off a motorcycle at 135mph and walked away, no problem. I've also fallen off (high side) at 20mph and broke my foot and received a major concussion. The reality and physics of it is that it is not a problem of how fast you are going, but rather how fast you stop. Oh, this was all during racing and not on the street. I ride very carefully on the street and have never crashed. On the track is a whole other thing as it is a matter of when, not if (that is if you want to win). Been down a few other times as well. As Abstraction pointed out, ATGATT (All The Gear All The Time).

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    I've been shot at and hit, survived a head on accident and fell off a bike in LA traffic. I also fell into Granite Creek at Glacier NP. Broken just about every bone on my left side. Life is too short to worry about stuff. I find myself speaking either to or about Dante everyday, normally the conversation end with "buy it".
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    I'm really liking that Don Libby guy. And definitely---"Buy it."

    Life is short. Appreciate what you have.

    Enjoy your passions in life---and especially all things dealing with photography, and of course, medium format digital.

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Survivor bias is deadly. Guess who's not posting in this thread?

    By an insane coincidence, there is an LA photographer with the same name as me. Very different style, as you can see from his site. He was not so lucky wrt motorcycles. He lived, but - well, you can read his story here:

    https://mattgrayson.com/about

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Survivor bias is deadly. Guess who's not posting in this thread?

    By an insane coincidence, there is an LA photographer with the same name as me. Very different style, as you can see from his site. He was not so lucky wrt motorcycles. He lived, but - well, you can read his story here:

    https://mattgrayson.com/about

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    Holy crap. Glad that wasn't you, Matt. I love his opening sentence.


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    But if Matt had dreadlocks----that's what he would look like.

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    I'm (a healthy) 75 year old whose children are very well off economically and don't need my estate. Dante told me that I can't take it with me (that sucks) so camera companies have become my beneficiaries, even if they're not mentioned in my will.

    And actually, I have grown to like Dante. He has NEVER criticized me for buying another lens or body or accessory. A truly nice guy.
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Survivor bias is deadly.
    Spoken like a mathematician -- oh, wait a minute!

    But it's an astute comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Spoken like a mathematician -- oh, wait a minute!
    It's a HUGE problem analyzing historical performance of stocks or hedge funds. You take a bunch of companies that still exist and amazingly, their historical performance is great!

    On the other hand, "investing" in medium format digital gear is guaranteed to lose a ton of money, so that analysis is easy. .
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    There must be something about the Grayson name and photography...I like both the Matt Graysons' work


    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Survivor bias is deadly. Guess who's not posting in this thread?

    By an insane coincidence, there is an LA photographer with the same name as me. Very different style, as you can see from his site. He was not so lucky wrt motorcycles. He lived, but - well, you can read his story here:

    https://mattgrayson.com/about

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    I wouldn't wish the man's experience on anyone, but I think he was very lucky indeed. To have experienced a collision and injuries like that and to still be alive ... and walking! ... is very very lucky indeed. And speaks to an intense amount of bloodymindedness regarding staying alive and regaining your health. Bravo, Alternate Matt Grayson!

    I ride, I cycle, and I drive: All three are "dangerous" activities. I make photographs; it's a lot less risky most of the time. Buying MFD equipment is a near guaranteed loss of money in the long run, I guess that puts it into the "risky" category...

    If today is as superbly summer-like as yesterday around here, I'll take the motorcycle out for a putt.

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    Back to Dante...

    With the release of Phase One's XT, I guess Dante's grip is getting tighter and tighter......
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post

    On the other hand, "investing" in medium format digital gear is guaranteed to lose a ton of money, so that analysis is easy. .
    It's one thing for a commercial photographer who's clients want and are willing to pay for them to own and depreciate that gear. It's another when your clients cannot see the difference between your MFDB capture and your higher end DSLR capture, and ultimately choose one of your less perfect technically DSLR images over your more perfect technically MFDB images. And frankly that's why I no longer own any MF capture gear. Do *I* miss having it? Sure, and almost every time I go out to shoot. But then financial realities ultimately interfered... But I still enjoyed the run --and Dante's grip-- while it lasted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotoism View Post
    Back to Dante...

    With the release of Phase One's XT, I guess Dante's grip is getting tighter and tighter......
    Tell me about it, it is suffocating.

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    My worst accident was a photographic accident, a cliff fall, and my wife and adult kids staged an intervention while in hospital and all dangerous hobbies had to go. So the Rocket III and DH MTB had to go so now I can spend my $$ on MF Digital. You have to look at the bright side
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    ...If today is as superbly summer-like as yesterday around here, I'll take the motorcycle out for a putt. ...
    Never got the chance to take out the motorcycle. I had too much fun doing an upper body workout at the gym and a 19 mile bicycle ride, the latter in summer weight bicycle shorts and t-shirt.

    Dante? Fuji? Phase One? Feh. I just want my Hasselblad...

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Unlike pro's, I don't have to justify my camera gear on ROI.

    It's all toys. Just got to get the kids out of Uni, then I'm really off to the races! ( Still no Corvette, Motorcycle or Boat though )

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    It's a HUGE problem analyzing historical performance of stocks or hedge funds. You take a bunch of companies that still exist and amazingly, their historical performance is great!

    On the other hand, "investing" in medium format digital gear is guaranteed to lose a ton of money, so that analysis is easy. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Never got the chance to take out the motorcycle. I had too much fun doing an upper body workout at the gym and a 19 mile bicycle ride, the latter in summer weight bicycle shorts and t-shirt.

    Dante? Fuji? Phase One? Feh. I just want my Hasselblad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Some of us just get to shovel snow instead. And use our camera gear.
    Well, at least I did use some of my camera gear ...
    https://www.getdpi.com/forum/small-s...tml#post811302

    Such it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I know nothing of Dante or the Medium Format Digital inferno. I just want a digital Hasselblad in the same form factor as my 500CM to complement my film Hasselblad.

    Why? I like shooting with that kind of camera.



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    Nothing wrong with that! I guess you have some time to save up for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikkaffehr View Post
    nothing wrong with that! I guess you have some time to save up for it!

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    Nothing wrong with that! I guess you have some time to save up for it!

    Best regards
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    Erik so true!

    From my own experience I always needed more cash for the Hassy gear. Starting at age nineteen I realized I wanted the 500C and in just a few years, it became my tool of trade after waiting and saving, and waiting and saving and ...

    Now in 2020, still waiting and saving for more Hassy gear!

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Only a person who hasn't experienced tens of thousands in depreciation of a medium format kit would understand the Dante reference
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    You only live once.

    Follow your passion and live for experiences---such is the world of medium format digital photography.

    Those here in Dante's Inferno are a *ahem* blessed group, and know to appreciate life.

    And with recent offerings from Fuji (or even gently used MFDBs), not everyone has to spend tens of thousands of dollars to enjoy medium format digital photography, although the highest levels of Purgatory are reserved for the most dedicated purveyors of the Inferno.

    I miss you, Doug. And I know your troubled heart misses me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Alighieri View Post
    You only live once.
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    You die only once, you live every day...

    Personally, I find that high-quality gear not only lasts longer, it gets used more. I find getting a camera I really want is much more cost effective than buying gear that I might simply be able to afford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErikKaffehr View Post
    Nothing wrong with that! I guess you have some time to save up for it!
    I realize you were being funny, but that's not how I work these things.

    I didn't place an order for the 907x SE until I had the money allocated and set aside. I've added to the order a couple of times, each time adding the funds required for the addition to the original allocation. If the product ultimately fails to ship for some reason, I'll have that money released back into my regular savings plus the interest it garnered through the waiting period.

    It's kinda like what I do with Kickstarter ... I never put money on a project with the notion that it is anything other than a high-risk bet in a casino. That way I'm never disappointed when things go sour, and I celebrate all the ones that succeed.

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    Erik so true!

    From my own experience I always needed more cash for the Hassy gear. Starting at age nineteen I realized I wanted the 500C and in just a few years, it became my tool of trade after waiting and saving, and waiting and saving and ...

    Now in 2020, still waiting and saving for more Hassy gear!

    Best to you!
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    That sounds so much familiar to me .
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Only a person who hasn't experienced tens of thousands in depreciation of a medium format kit would understand the Dante reference
    Do what I do: don't sell any of it. Ever. Then you won't notice how much it's dropped in value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    That sounds so much familiar to me .
    Me too. Wanted a Hasselblad since I was a teenager. Finally bought a 500 C/M when I was 34 (I was looking to upgrade my Nikon gear with an F4 body at a camera store in Santa Fe but was ensnared by a used 500 C/M with a 50mm Distagon CF for the exact same price). It's been 3 decades since. Still have the C/M. Still have the Distagon. And let's just say the collection has grown a bit since then.

    I can quit anytime I want to! Honest!
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by sog1927 View Post
    Do what I do: don't sell any of it. Ever. Then you won't notice how much it's dropped in value.
    If you can depreciate you equipment, say, over 100 years, the cost is not that bad...

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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by sog1927 View Post
    Me too. Wanted a Hasselblad since I was a teenager. Finally bought a 500 C/M when I was 34 (I was looking to upgrade my Nikon gear with an F4 body at a camera store in Santa Fe but was ensnared by a used 500 C/M with a 50mm Distagon CF for the exact same price). It's been 3 decades since. Still have the C/M. Still have the Distagon. And let's just say the collection has grown a bit since then.

    I can quit anytime I want to! Honest!
    I can not .

    But the advantage of that is , that I have a wonderfull HB colletion starting with the HB 1600 , 1000F and also the very first SWC (Super Wide and Supreme Wide models) All in top condition and in working order .
    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    Erik so true!

    From my own experience I always needed more cash for the Hassy gear. Starting at age nineteen I realized I wanted the 500C and in just a few years, it became my tool of trade after waiting and saving, and waiting and saving and ...

    Now in 2020, still waiting and saving for more Hassy gear!

    Best to you!
    Darr
    Hi Darr,

    I hope Hassy stays around. For me, it is a bit of having things matching my needs while being able to afford them.

    I happen to have a Hasselblad Flexbody and I would like to have a digital back with excellent live view to match. I have a Hasselblad Flexbody that I would love, but I have found that it is not really usable in the field with my P45+ back.

    A CMOS sensor with live view and peaking may work well, but I may not be happy with the 33x44 mm format. Still, I may go with it, like next year. But, I would really like Hassy to have an electronic viewfinder option.

    Essentially, I would very much like MFD vendors to focus on things that actually work in real world shooting.

    At this stage, the far most usable gear I happen to have is my Sony A7rII:

    • It works with all lenses I have from Sigma 10/3.5 mm fisheye to my 100-40074-5.6 zoom.
    • It works with my Canon 24/3.5 TSE LII lens
    • It works with my 28-85/3.3-4 Contax zoom with 10 degree tilt

    So, it covers a lot of my needs.

    Would an MFD system yield similar options at a reasonable price, I would be quite interested.


    Best regards
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by sog1927 View Post
    me too. Wanted a hasselblad since i was a teenager. Finally bought a 500 c/m when i was 34 (i was looking to upgrade my nikon gear with an f4 body at a camera store in santa fe but was ensnared by a used 500 c/m with a 50mm distagon cf for the exact same price). It's been 3 decades since. Still have the c/m. Still have the distagon. And let's just say the collection has grown a bit since then.

    I can quit anytime i want to! Honest!
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    Re: whats with the Dante stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by ErikKaffehr View Post
    Hi Darr,

    I hope Hassy stays around. For me, it is a bit of having things matching my needs while being able to afford them.

    I happen to have a Hasselblad Flexbody and I would like to have a digital back with excellent live view to match. I have a Hasselblad Flexbody that I would love, but I have found that it is not really usable in the field with my P45+ back.

    A CMOS sensor with live view and peaking may work well, but I may not be happy with the 33x44 mm format. Still, I may go with it, like next year. But, I would really like Hassy to have an electronic viewfinder option.

    Essentially, I would very much like MFD vendors to focus on things that actually work in real world shooting.

    At this stage, the far most usable gear I happen to have is my Sony A7rII:

    • It works with all lenses I have from Sigma 10/3.5 mm fisheye to my 100-40074-5.6 zoom.
    • It works with my Canon 24/3.5 TSE LII lens
    • It works with my 28-85/3.3-4 Contax zoom with 10 degree tilt

    So, it covers a lot of my needs.

    Would an MFD system yield similar options at a reasonable price, I would be quite interested.


    Best regards
    Erik
    Hey Erik,

    I shoot my Flexbody with the CFV-50c, although I only use it in the studio for copying mostly. It works very well with the CMOS sensor and Live View for focus. The biggest problem I have with my Hasselblads and the digital back is the 44x33 crop factor. Unless you intend on stitching, there really is no other option for a wide perspective. I recently did a three stitch vertical pano with my 501CM and PS meshed the images well enough, but I prefer not to depend on stitching in the landscape, so when I shoot wide Hasselblad, I shoot film. With the 40mm jumping to ~ 55mm, the SWC would not even interest me, so I go to my ALPA and 28 Helvetar when needed. But I do enjoy my Hasselblads for the convenience of the system tools. I have always preferred technical view cameras and the Flexbody comes close. Have you tried using the ground glass with the Flexbody for focusing with your P45+?

    My most versatile camera by far is the Linhof 3000, but it comes at the price of added weight. There is nothing the Linhof cannot do with the right tools.

    If your Sony gets your shooting needs done, it is a great system!

    I do not get into gear loyalty too much, I just appreciate tools that do not get in the way, but positively add to the shooting experience. As far as the manufacturers go, I do my best to look at images and hear from the photographers shooting the gear that made the images. If I was in the market for a new digital back, I would definitely be paying attention to what the users/owners are saying. When a photographer spends in upwards of 35k for a digital back and over a year later they are still without some of the technology to use the back as needed, we really need to keep our funds close at hand. I am fortunate that I do not need more than a 50 mpx back, and hoping when it comes time for me to upgrade, the full frame option will be affordable and have the technology I need.

    Best to you,
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