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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
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    i'm curious how a rectangular format would feel in a camera whose ergonomics are based on square...i'll have to play around with that, flipping my blad on it's side...grrr!
    Hmmm, I thought I had answered this question before ... must have forgot to hit send ... LOL!

    The solution would be one more for tripod work I think. Using one of the aux finders that allow use of the camera on it's side like shown below:

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    Marc - how have you connected the tripod there?

    My next purchase will be for a larger chip size - not more megapixels..this probably means I wont be buying anything for a long time if ever ..but I have to say I am very happy with what I already have I dont need more megapixels..

    Leica isnt as silly as many think withteh S2 it is the DSLR that a lot of MFD shooters want..the otehr side of the coin is please someone make the chip in SIZE and FORMAT that technical camera and square camera shooters want..

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Hmmm, I thought I had answered this question before ... must have forgot to hit send ... LOL!

    The solution would be one more for tripod work I think. Using one of the aux finders that allow use of the camera on it's side like shown below:
    with the winder and the pm-45 prism you can hold the camera sideways-for example if you were shooting 6x45 you had no choice but to do this. there is another prism that goes straight back too instead of 45 degrees.

    often times I would shoot the camera vertically even when it was 6x6 just so I could get the camera high enough to look into my subjects eye if I did not want to look up at them. you get used to it.

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    I can see how for Hassy-V 200 Series users the cfv and specially the new cfv are great news.
    I might have even decided for a Hassy 203 or 205 with V-lenses if this back had been available at the time I enter MF-world. (I am happy with what Ihave now, but for me the V-System is still very interesting and for some reason a timeless system)




    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Well Eduardo, I for one am grateful for Hasselblad's continued support of the V series cameras well into the digital age ... even long discontinued models.

    Most importantly to me, the CFV is the ONLY digital back in the entire world that is fully functional at all shutter speeds on the wonderful Hasselblad focal plane cameras.

    Not any Phase One, Not any Sinar, Not any Leaf ... not even Hasselblad CF/CF-II backs work.

    ONLY the CFV/16 and CFV-II/16 ... and now the CFV-II/39 ... are fully functional on the wonderful 200 series cameras. And does it without the need for a sync cord. The 203FE is my favorite camera of all time ... on which I can use all the 200 Zeiss series lenses ... AND all of the 500 series Zeiss lenses in either focal plane or leaf shutter modes!

    V stuff is without a doubt the best freaking photo investment I have ever made. I can use all the V lenses on just about every camera I own, as well as use all the 500 series lenses fully functional on the H cameras with focus confirmation.

    Victor Hasselblad was a genius ... the immortal V lives on ... and on ... and on ... WAHOOOOOO !



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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by robertwright View Post
    with the winder and the pm-45 prism you can hold the camera sideways-for example if you were shooting 6x45 you had no choice but to do this. there is another prism that goes straight back too instead of 45 degrees.

    often times I would shoot the camera vertically even when it was 6x6 just so I could get the camera high enough to look into my subjects eye if I did not want to look up at them. you get used to it.
    Yes, I have done that with a 503CW which accepts more finders than the 203FE.

    The 503CW winder, which includes a hand strap, also makes it easier to use the camera on it's side than does the 203FE winder.

    Peter, the camera is secured on a Gitzo ball head using a Hasselblad quick release that mates with the camera without the need for a QR plate on the camera (it's built-in to all V and H bodies)

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
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    i'm curious how a rectangular format would feel in a camera whose ergonomics are based on square...i'll have to play around with that, flipping my blad on it's side...grrr!
    Actually, to re-address this ... this is my dilemma right now, I have a 203FE with CFV-II/16 meg square back. Plus, I already have the ability to shoot the Zeiss 500 series lenses with a 39 meg back using the H3D-II and CF adapter. Holding the H camera for portrait orientation is how the camera is designed (like all 645 cameras).

    But it is the 203FE that is of interest here due to being a focal plane camera with fast Zeiss FE lenses.

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

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    An other possible option for a finder but heavier than the RMfx .
    Just look at the viewer . That viewer is very good .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    But these "wisemen" could have implemented a rotating sensor like Leaf's Verto for another 1K. Total price: 15K. I think this back is the silliest new product of the year.
    Eduardo
    If it would cost another $1000 then for sure.

    But, to redesign, casing and electronics would be like creating a whole new product and push it way over the price that makes it attractive today.

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
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    An other possible option for a finder but heavier than the RMfx .
    Just look at the viewer . That viewer is very good .
    Attachment 19060

    Jürgen
    Yep, I have that finder ... in terms of build quality, they don't make 'em like that anymore : -)

    Unfortunately, it doesn't work on the 203FE because it lacks the cut out slot at the top for the 200 viewfinder display like the RMFx one does (shown below on a 203FE).

    I looked at possibly modifying it using the mount from another finder, but nothing lines up, and the mount is integrated into the finder rather than being a separate simple mount.

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    David: I have 2 great ideas.

    You're right, there is no free lunch but I think I have 2 killer ideas:
    First idea:
    Tell the guys in the upper levels to bring the CFV39 back in 2 flavors:

    One with the horizontal sensor for the guys that prefer landscape orientation in a WLF camera like Jurgen for example.

    And one model with the sensor in vertical position for guys that would prefer a WLF camera for studio work.

    Seriously, think about it. As far as I'm concerned, the wlf camera is prefered by some because it allows to compose "groundglass style, and to quickly fine focus by the flip of the magnifier. Other advantage is that since the photographer is looking down, the model or sitter feels more at ease. I know this because I was told that many times in my studio. The other advantage of the wlf camera is that your face is actually above the camera not behind, allowing for more immediate rapport since the sitter can "see you working". Of course, a few disadvantages for landscape photographers may be, like difficulting camera operation next to floor level.
    Cost of this variation seems to me to be of low cost.

    Second idea: Bring a CFV back with a 44X33 sensor with the verto-like rotating feature. With the savings of the smaller sensor Hasselblad could implement the rotating mechanism for the same price.

    Thanks for reading
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Grover / Hasselblad View Post
    If it would cost another $1000 then for sure.

    But, to redesign, casing and electronics would be like creating a whole new product and push it way over the price that makes it attractive today.

    Best ,


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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Good picture Marc. With an L bracket it might even look good and be more stable. I have a 500Cm and that same viewfinder.
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Yep, I have that finder ... in terms of build quality, they don't make 'em like that anymore : -)

    Unfortunately, it doesn't work on the 203FE because it lacks the cut out slot at the top for the 200 viewfinder display like the RMFx one does (shown below on a 203FE).

    I looked at possibly modifying it using the mount from another finder, but nothing lines up, and the mount is integrated into the finder rather than being a separate simple mount.
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    Amen brother!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    V stuff is without a doubt the best freaking photo investment I have ever made. I can use all the V lenses on just about every camera I own, as well as use all the 500 series lenses fully functional on the H cameras with focus confirmation.

    Victor Hasselblad was a genius ... the immortal V lives on ... and on ... and on ... WAHOOOOOO !



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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    Good picture Marc. With an L bracket it might even look good and be more stable. I have a 500Cm and that same viewfinder.
    Thanks
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    An L bracket might work on a 500 camera ... but I cannot see how it would on a 200. The winder is on one side and the controls are on the other side.

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    I applaud Hasselblad for making the CFV39 since the 203FE and 205FCC are two of my all time favorite cameras. By having the built in camera focal plane shutter and the option of leaf shutter lens, this is a complete system that even only the Leica S2 is about to deliver. By having the CFV39, the 200 series cameras now have even more option from other manufacturers accessories. I only wish that Hasselblad would have treat the V system the way they treat the H system. This back should have been available long ago when it was introduced to the H system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Hmmm, I thought I had answered this question before ... must have forgot to hit send ... LOL!

    The solution would be one more for tripod work I think. Using one of the aux finders that allow use of the camera on it's side like shown below:

    Mark has the RMfx viewfinder attached to his camera. This viewfinder was typically used with the Arc/Flex body or SWC and a focus screen adapter.

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    You know what I find interesting about all this is a lingering suspicion that there was one of those magical things happening with the CFV/16 meg square back that may or may not translate with the higher meg back. You know, fat pixels and all that.

    I have always been pleasantly perplexed by the performance of the CFV and Zeiss lenses as demonstrated continually by the images produced and shown here and other sites. The images always seem better than the back should logically produce. That wonderful "Shipyard" series is an example.

    I have to yank the H3D-II/39 back off the view camera, put it back on the H3D-II camera and try some shots with the Zeiss 40 IF, crop to a square and see how it compares to the same shot with the same lens using the CFV-II/16 back.

    Hmmmm ??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I have to yank the H3D-II/39 back off the view camera, put it back on the H3D-II camera and try some shots with the Zeiss 40 IF, crop to a square and see how it compares to the same shot with the same lens using the CFV-II/16 back.
    Hmmmm ??????
    That will be very interesting. Look forward to it. May save some here $'00000's'

    ps wanted to use that Smilie for a long time.

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    This is an interesting development for the V-System. I was poking around KEH and a 503CW kit with winder can be picked up for around $2K. I find this combo very appealing.

    Question: does the 503CW have built-in metering? Could one of the Hassy guys shoot me an e-mail?
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    No, only some of the 200-series cameras have built-in metering. You can add a PME45 or some other metering prism though.
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    That's what I thought.
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    Watch out Carlos, this back is full time non-rotating. You must add a PME90 instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etrigan63 View Post
    That's what I thought.

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    Thanks Eduardo!
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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Next stupid question: Does anyone make an L-bracket for the 503CW?
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    I am not aware of anyone --- before this there really hasn't been a reason, so no one would have bought them...
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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    You know what I find interesting about all this is a lingering suspicion that there was one of those magical things happening with the CFV/16 meg square back that may or may not translate with the higher meg back. You know, fat pixels and all that.

    I have always been pleasantly perplexed by the performance of the CFV and Zeiss lenses as demonstrated continually by the images produced and shown here and other sites. The images always seem better than the back should logically produce. That wonderful "Shipyard" series is an example.

    I have to yank the H3D-II/39 back off the view camera, put it back on the H3D-II camera and try some shots with the Zeiss 40 IF, crop to a square and see how it compares to the same shot with the same lens using the CFV-II/16 back.

    Hmmmm ??????
    Just another example I guess of people focussing on megapixels and companies giving the people what they want?
    btw I am thinking M8 21/28/35/50/75 for my holidays - it all fits in teh same size as one MFDbody and an 80 - gotta love the little Leica dont ya?

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    i'm curious how a rectangular format would feel in a camera whose ergonomics are based on square...i'll have to play around with that, flipping my blad on it's side...grrr!
    *********
    I just tried it with a 503CWD + PME-45 +Winder....Turning the camera for a "portrait" orientation is more ergonomic than turning a DSLR, IMO. It feels very natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    Watch out Carlos, this back is full time non-rotating. You must add a PME90 instead.
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    According to Hasselblad, the PME 90 will not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsrfun View Post
    i'm curious how a rectangular format would feel in a camera whose ergonomics are based on square...i'll have to play around with that, flipping my blad on it's side...grrr!
    *********
    I just tried it with a 503CWD + PME-45 +Winder....Turning the camera for a "portrait" orientation is more ergonomic than turning a DSLR, IMO. It feels very natural.

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    Well, I just tried the same thing with the 203FE and it's winder and you are right! It's a non-issue. Very easy and natural to use this way ... who whould have thunk it?

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    Very easy and natural to use this way ... who whould have thunk it?
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    Amazing, being able to convert a 50+ year old design to a "modern digital camera"

    With the winder attached, the rotation of the wrist to create "portrait" or "landscape"
    feels just how a camera should be.

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Yesterday I did a couple of quick shots using the H3D-II/39 camera body with a Zeiss 40 IF mounted via the CF adapter in order to answer my own question about IQ ... it is excellent and the wide 40 is spectacular... same sort of qualities as the 16 meg with more resolution for enlargements. All the subjects I shot were boooooring but I will try to use it at a wedding I have tomorrow to see how it works in real world shooting conditions. .

    Personally, for just 500 series lenses I have no need for this new back since I can use all of them on the 31 and 39 meg H cameras with the bonus of focus confirmation in the viewfinder ... it's the focal plane shutter 203FE and fast aperture FE lenses that now has me intrigued.

    Now thanks to Steve, I see that the portrait orientation is a non issue for me since I rarely use the WL finder anyway. I understand that others do prefer the WL and that still can be used in landscape. No biggie for me.

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    The more I know about this back, the more I say that it is a no-win silly product.
    Hasselblad 5xxCFV39. "The only-horizontal camera in the world"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    According to Hasselblad, the PME 90 will not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    The more I know about this back, the more I say that it is a no-win silly product.
    Hasselblad 5xxCFV39. "The only-horizontal camera in the world"

    Eduardo
    So, don't buy it.

    The PME45/PM45 does work.

    BTW, the leaf AFi did not have a rotating back either, and only the stunningly expensive Leaf back with the rotating sensor would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Well, I just tried the same thing with the 203FE and it's winder and you are right! It's a non-issue. Very easy and natural to use this way ... who whould have thunk it?
    I don't know if it's sea-sickness or vertigo-related, but I find using the 45 degree prism vertically on my Rollei hand-held makes me want to throw up. The experience is quite unpleasant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeshuck View Post
    I don't know if it's sea-sickness or vertigo-related, but I find using the 45 degree prism vertically on my Rollei hand-held makes me want to throw up. The experience is quite unpleasant!
    Different Prism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeshuck View Post
    I don't know if it's sea-sickness or vertigo-related . . . . . . .
    I have put my 503CW + PME45 + Winder together and was surprised , that I do not really feel the weight . The winder's leather strap helps a lot here .
    No , it is not sea-sickness nor vertigo , it is just a little bit funny and you have to get used to it . Standing or looking at "45 degrees forward" .

    I think , I had more trouble to get the winder attached , as I did not use it for some years . The manual did not tell me much , but I finally managed .

    I am looking very much forward to get the CFV-39 and try that combo .
    I have also tried the RM-2 viewer . It is an even better solution , especially , because it is easier to attach the CFV and the magnification of the RM-2 is excellent .

    Marc

    As the winder can not be attached to the 203FE , the lack of seeing the exposure data caused by the RM-2 + 203FE is of no problem here .

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    The more I know about this back, the more I say that it is a no-win silly product.
    Hasselblad 5xxCFV39. "The only-horizontal camera in the world"
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    I have been playing around now quite a bit with the 503CW + RM-2 prism + 503 winder . No problem for landscape and portrait position .
    I like it more and more . I wish you could have that combo in your hands , you woud change your mind . An image will follow .
    For me , this is the best solution , that could ever happen to me .

    The only trouble I have is , that I am right handed , and therefore I would need a exposure meter for left-handers .

    Any advice ? ? ?

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    I have been playing around now quite a bit with the 503CW + RM-2 prism + 503 winder
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    Looking at the RM-2 in Nordin, 503CW+RM-2+winder+CFV39 looks like an ideal combination; if TTlL exposure metering isn't needed. I have found metering much less useful with a Digital back than it is with 12 exp. film magazines.

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    I am looking very much forward to get the CFV-39 and try that combo .
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    I was on vacation when this news and thread was first posted here (and on the Hasselbladinfo.com site). When I returned home and saw the title "39mp CFV Back", for some unknown reason, I assumed that it was a joke.....and so I ignored it. Better if I had...because now I am so envious of Jurgen and others who will soon be enjoying the best of the best....classic Hasselblad V-system bodies, Zeiss optics and a truly world class digital back! Congratulations Jurgen...and we look forward to seeing the results of "first light" (to use a term popular in the astronomical community) with this fine CFV-39.

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    As the winder can not be attached to the 203FE , the lack of seeing the exposure data caused by the RM-2 + 203FE is of no problem here .

    Jürgen
    I'm not following this comment Jurgen. Could you please explain a bit more?

    I have the longer RM finder for the 70mm film back, but not the regular length one. I cannot even mount the RM on the 203FE. I will not slide all the way in like it does for the 500 cameras. I can mount the 200 winder and the CFV back.

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    I was told that if you modify the silver metal plate underneath the RM-2 to look like the plate shown here (at the end of the section on the PME-90) the RM-2 will work just fine on the 200-series.

    Anybody know if the LCD is visible in this situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    According to Hasselblad, the PME 90 will not work.
    Ummm, why?
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    Why?

    The PME90 interfers physically with the DB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I'm not following this comment Jurgen. Could you please explain a bit more?
    I have the longer RM finder for the 70mm film back, but not the regular length one. I cannot even mount the RM on the 203FE. I will not slide all the way in like it does for the 500 cameras. I can mount the 200 winder and the CFV back.
    Marc

    Sorry for the confusion . If I read my update , I am now confused as well .
    I know the RM-2 can not be mounted to the 203FE . I had a rework in mind , but in the meantime , I decided not to do so .
    That chromed material is very hard and if something should go wrong , I would not get spares .
    Therefore , I will use the 503CW with the RM-2 and the winder . I will leave both attached to the body all the time .

    The RM-2 is the long viewer and has a brilliant magnification . Also it leaves enough space to attach a CFV/CFV-39 , even for people with bigger fingers .

    Therefore , my 203FE + CVF/CFV-39 will be the working horse for the FE lenses and the usage of the
    PME45 or DPS .
    Having the 501CM as backup .


    I find the F-Winder handy , but not as good as the 503 winder . I am missing the leather strap for a save holding of the combo .

    Sorry again for the confusion .

    As for the "left hander" exposure meter , I can use the SEKONIC L-398 M , which can easily be used
    with both hands .
    But , as Steve pointed out , metering is not that much useful with digital .

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Quote Originally Posted by BradleyGibson View Post
    I was told that if you modify the silver metal plate underneath the RM-2 to look like the plate shown here (at the end of the section on the PME-90) the RM-2 will work just fine on the 200-series.

    Anybody know if the LCD is visible in this situation?

    -Brad
    Brad, I cannot see how the plate on the RM-1 and RM-2 finders can be modified. Unlike the plate for the PM45 and PM90 which are simply mount plates held in by screws, the mount plate on my RM-2 wraps into the finder and looks to be integrated into holding the finder optics.

    A Hassey repair person like Dave Odes may be better able to answer this question. I don't think he repairs 200 series cameras, but may well know the inner workings of the RM finders.

    http://www.david-odess.com/index.html

    Could be a cottage indsustry for some enterprising person with a Dremmel Tool

    I wonder how many of the shorter barrel RM-1s are out there in used land? There was also an older version of the shorter barrel RM-1 finder: HC-4 (cat.No. 52086) but some folks found it difficult to use.

    Just a note: anyone with a PM90 or PME90 finder ... do not put the CFV back on with this finder mounted ... the PM90s have a lever that releases the film backs but it does not release the secondary security button on the CFVs ... unless of course you intend NEVER taking the CFV off the camera ...
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    Here a quick shot of the combo .

    Attachment 19349

    Please notice , that there is enough room form handling of the CFV back , unlike , as Marc pointed out , with the PM90/PME90 .

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    Re: New 39mp CFV back

    Marc

    The RM-2 is very difficult to find .
    I was lucky to get that from E-bay a couple of years ago . It is in mint condition and served as a collectors item .
    These lazy days are over now .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Brad, I cannot see how the plate on the RM-1 and RM-2 finders can be modified. Unlike the plate for the PM45 and PM90 which are simply mount plates held in by screws, the mount plate on my RM-2 wraps into the finder and looks to be integrated into holding the finder optics.
    Ok--I've gone ahead and purchased one. It appears that this one can be disassembled and modified. It may take a couple of weeks to put together a test 203FE system, but I will let folks here know of the outcome (RM-2 + 203FE), if there is interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Just a note: anyone with a PM90 or PME90 finder ... do not put the CFV back on with this finder mounted ... the PM90s have a lever that releases the film backs but it does not release the secondary security button on the CFVs ... unless of course you intend NEVER taking the CFV off the camera ...
    So are you saying that it is physically possible to mount a PM90 and a CFV at the same time (if one ignores the interlock issue you point out?) I am curious if the eyepiece blocks the CFV display at all?

    Thanks,
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    If you guys can find someone who reads Cantonese, these Hong Kong photographers modified a CW Winder with parts from an F Winder to work on the 203FE : http://forum.xitek.com/showarchives.php?threadid=378471

    Apparently, all that is required is the motor pin from the F Winder to be swapped with that from the CW Winder and a slight modification to the CW Winder mounting plate.

    The photos are self-explanatory.

    Knock yourselves out.

    I have seen pictures of the PME-90 on a 503CW mated with a PhaseOne P25. Perhaps the P25 is a little shallower than the CFV back. I wonder why Hasselblad makes things difficult for its customers sometimes.
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    Will the older HC3/70 (52043) work with the 200 series. Nordin specifically says that he RM-2 won't work but make no mention of the HC 3.

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    Wow, thank you, Forrest!

    I did manage to locate a modified CW winder modified to fit the 203FE, but this is fantastic. I have always been concerned about a backup. I know Hasselblad did this for NASA, but with this, it shouldn't be too hard to make another, should the need arise.

    Yes, I do believe the P25 is shallower than the CFV, unfortunately.

    Many thanks.

    For any adventurous folks out there, here is Steve's article translated to English.

    Also, I just found a guy who modified his 200-series camera to accept an unmodified winder (kind of solving the problem the other way around). He posts brief instructions here.

    Also,
    -Brad

    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest Black View Post
    If you guys can find someone who reads Cantonese, these Hong Kong photographers modified a CW Winder with parts from an F Winder to work on the 203FE : http://forum.xitek.com/showarchives.php?threadid=378471

    Apparently, all that is required is the motor pin from the F Winder to be swapped with that from the CW Winder and a slight modification to the CW Winder mounting plate.

    The photos are self-explanatory.

    Knock yourselves out.

    I have seen pictures of the PME-90 on a 503CW mated with a PhaseOne P25. Perhaps the P25 is a little shallower than the CFV back. I wonder why Hasselblad makes things difficult for its customers sometimes.
    Last edited by BradleyGibson; 12th July 2009 at 15:08.

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