Site Sponsors
Page 11 of 13 FirstFirst ... 9 10 11 12 13 LastLast
Results 501 to 550 of 637

Thread: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

  1. #501
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Your last sentence is unfortunately(?)

    Sorry for the long posts, but I do believe that there are changes ahead that are at least as big as the transition from film to digital, probably even more so. Believing that the transition from film to digital photography was it, simply doesn't hold enough water.
    Oh, I most certainly do not think the Fat Lady has sung on new developments. Far from it. I've been around a looooooong time and have seen incredible changes in technology. My first job as a kid was setting type and cleaning presses The first TV commercials I ever created were 60 seconds long and were cut on film. Some even 90 seconds long.

    Don't mistake disagreement with your scenario as "limiting the possibilities". What possibilities does this bring to the party that do not already exist? Some cheaper method of using one piece of gear for both diciplines? What is profound about that? What is so thrifty about that? I can, and have, rented a Canon video camera and used my L lenses to do test commercials. The difference is a non-issue. The client could've cared less what I used.

    BTW, guess where almost ALL TV test commercials are now shown to consumer target groups ... the internet.

    Digital still photography was profoundly different as far as commercial applications are concerned. IMO, this isn't.

    People may well flock to it, and the garbage will pile up.

  2. #502
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    1,513
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    I cannot wait for the discussions over why the video clips look "flat" and stuff like that. Wait until folks start having to work with HMIs and other continuous lighting in order to get a decent clip/shot. If they are complaining now about packs, heads, boxes, etc., does anybody think it will be easier to get dramatic lighting needed for really good video without learning that part of the operation....and footing the bills for that gear? This is going to get very interesting for sure.

    LJ

  3. #503
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Montreal, Canada
    Posts
    47
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Good points on the difference between making motion and making stills - different world's and I have no interest in making crappy home videos - dont own a video camera think that they are silly toys..

    Re Line Pairs - I dont give a rats tail about Zeiss claimed nonsence - neither of these quoted lenses is going to give me movements my friend - which was the point of my post - intenet chatter gets very tiring when people pervert a discussion by focusing on a phrase and missing the woods for a a tree as they say.

    You get to a certain age (some of sooner some of us later) and you just dont want any more - you start wanting less...quality becomes more important and gimmicks become tiresome bumps in the road.

    I am pretty close to ditching all my MFD gear except for one back to use on an Alpa and an arTec - hand held MF is not for me.
    I'm sorry Peter that I didn't get your point first!
    Thank you for bringing that clarification and I understand your point a lot better now! Indeed you didn't have to imply that I perverted your discussion just because I interpreted something you wrote in a different way than what you intended. I just don't deserve that. Peace!
    Francois B.

  4. #504
    Subscriber Member Jorgen Udvang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Pratamnak
    Posts
    9,343
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2157

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Oh, I most certainly do not think the Fat Lady has sung on new developments. Far from it. I've been around a looooooong time and have seen incredible changes in technology. My first job as a kid was setting type and cleaning presses The first TV commercials I ever created were 60 seconds long and were cut on film. Some even 90 seconds long.

    Don't mistake disagreement with your scenario as "limiting the possibilities". What possibilities does this bring to the party that do not already exist? Some cheaper method of using one piece of gear for both diciplines? What is profound about that? What is so thrifty about that? I can, and have, rented a Canon video camera and used my L lenses to do test commercials. The difference is a non-issue. The client could've cared less what I used.

    BTW, guess where almost ALL TV test commercials are now shown to consumer target groups ... the internet.

    Digital still photography was profoundly different as far as commercial applications are concerned. IMO, this isn't.

    People may well flock to it, and the garbage will pile up.
    The difference is the entrance ticket. High-end video gear has always been very expensive, making it a profession for a relatively small group photographers who could charge a premium for their services. With the new breed of gear, anyone with enough knowledge and creativity can give it a go. So, competition will get harder, prices will go down, more clients can afford to buy the services (sometimes instead of making it themselves, which is usually a disaster anyway), and the demand will increase.

    It's a different world, just like microstock is for the stock industry, but there's money to be earned, and the creative possibilities are endless.

    Of course people will flock to it, and of course garbage will pile up, but those with creative ideas and skills will always float at the top

  5. #505
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by John Black View Post
    10 minutes on YouTube makes me wonder if we need anymore video devices. I'd rather see the R&D dSLR budgets spent on better sensors capable of greater DR, full 16-bit files, etc. In that regard the S2 might be a good thing. But I don't have $30k laying about, and even if I did, I doubt I spend it on an S2.
    I agree John.

    Heck, this digital stuff is coming out at a ferocios rate of development, and I seriously feel that we aren't even getting all that a camera can do because it isn't around long enough to really explore the possibilities.

  6. #506
    roguewave
    Guest

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    I'm curious about one thing. Has anyone on this forum actually used this camera? If so, do they have anything of substance to discuss & display in regards to the images it renders.

    I live in NYC and I'm on the street almost everyday taking images. Although the financial sector appears to have liquefied like molten lava, the average employee at Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Barclays (Lehman Bros) and several dozen other hedge funds, private equity & other little empires will soon receive an average BONUS OF 700K - 500K, shortly. They already own several homes, pied-a-tiers, yachts.... Conspicuous consumption is their stock in trade. On weekends some of the Quant guys (the people that design the trading programs & make millions in BASE salary) come to Washington Square Park with wads of $100 bills to play chess & more importantly to BET on other players. There is a world of MONOPOLY Money that many don't really understand. Money is no object. These same folks often are lugging 25-40K worth of MF Hassy or M8.2 with 5 new Summiluxs around in a canvas sling bag. I'm talking throwaway style.

    The Leica brand has lasted a long time. It, like Cartier, Brendel & just a few others still means the Pinnacle. There is no second, if only in cache. Wherever I go, on any street, uptown, downtown, in the furthest reaches of Harlem, the Bronx, Bed-Sty, EVERYONE knows what Leica is & WANTS one. The fact that itís out of reach is the reason it will sell. Many of the owners of current Leica gear canít use them & donít know how. They donít care about that. It is often an heirloom & will remain so, like a Rolex.

    If the S2 provides the kind of quality that Vanity Fair demands, it has a future. It may not be yours or mine but one thing still sells and always will. Those that can afford the best buy it.

  7. #507
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    I have played with it at PMA. Styling wise it is very nice. Lenses are big and heavy which is typical of Leica DSLR lenses like the R only bigger. And yes the Leica will always sell to the wear the jewelry on their sleeve crowd but the S2 is supposedly aimed at the Pro market which is more a function over form crowd. Instead of the form over function crowd. Obviously sometimes those lines are blurred. We also have to remember there is no M or R system starting at these levels of price either. Slinging a 25k M or R system around ones neck is no big deal and have done it many times even in the streets of NY but we are not talking that price level either this is S system at about 50k slinging around ones neck and not really a toy but a nice size bulky bag which I do daily with my MF system but I do have some purpose other than jetting from Battery park to Bergdoff's. Hopefully I am shooting for real money instead. LOL

    But I agree some will buy the best but who is saying this is actually it. Still a question mark and frankly it is not the best in MF photography at least in many eye's.

    This reminds me of the other night taking my 12 year old to basketball tryouts and looking over my shoulder I see two NBA star players in there sneakers and gym shorts very unimposing until you walked outside and see the Rolls and the 300k Mercedes parked next to each other. Now did they need to drive those cars to a youth basketball tryout in a public school. No but maybe they don't have a Chevy either but any case it's there jewelry and who really gives a crap. It did not impress one parent their.


    I will add many shooters are not impressed by what others may think is the best , we buy with needs in mind as to what will get the job done and get a ROI on our investment. If many can spend 30k on a system instead of 60k on a system that bears very little IQ difference than 9 times out of 10 the business person will go with the lower price to gain the ROI on his investment. There is a big difference between need and want and many Pro's are working on what they really need basis and could give a rats arch on some celebrity walking around with a Leica and having what they think is jewelry on there arm. These are tools and there sole purpose is to get image to sensor and nothing else matters
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  8. #508
    Senior Member stephengilbert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Santa Monica, CA
    Posts
    2,272
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    No doubt there are literally millions of people who are relatively unscathed by the current financial crisis. But that doesn't mean there are millions of people who want to buy a Leica. I haven't seen any data suggesting that the employees of Goldman Sachs are ordering cameras as their chosen form of conspicuous consumption.

  9. #509
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    2,338
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    52

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Great post - made my morning!

    I hope that there are some backgammon boards in teh vicinity as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by roguewave View Post
    I'm curious about one thing. Has anyone on this forum actually used this camera? If so, do they have anything of substance to discuss & display in regards to the images it renders.

    I live in NYC and I'm on the street almost everyday taking images. Although the financial sector appears to have liquefied like molten lava, the average employee at Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Barclays (Lehman Bros) and several dozen other hedge funds, private equity & other little empires will soon receive an average BONUS OF 700K - 500K, shortly. They already own several homes, pied-a-tiers, yachts.... Conspicuous consumption is their stock in trade. On weekends some of the Quant guys (the people that design the trading programs & make millions in BASE salary) come to Washington Square Park with wads of $100 bills to play chess & more importantly to BET on other players. There is a world of MONOPOLY Money that many don't really understand. Money is no object. These same folks often are lugging 25-40K worth of MF Hassy or M8.2 with 5 new Summiluxs around in a canvas sling bag. I'm talking throwaway style.

    The Leica brand has lasted a long time. It, like Cartier, Brendel & just a few others still means the Pinnacle. There is no second, if only in cache. Wherever I go, on any street, uptown, downtown, in the furthest reaches of Harlem, the Bronx, Bed-Sty, EVERYONE knows what Leica is & WANTS one. The fact that itís out of reach is the reason it will sell. Many of the owners of current Leica gear canít use them & donít know how. They donít care about that. It is often an heirloom & will remain so, like a Rolex.

    If the S2 provides the kind of quality that Vanity Fair demands, it has a future. It may not be yours or mine but one thing still sells and always will. Those that can afford the best buy it.

  10. #510
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    2,338
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    52

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    No doubt there are literally millions of people who are relatively unscathed by the current financial crisis. But that doesn't mean there are millions of people who want to buy a Leica. I haven't seen any data suggesting that the employees of Goldman Sachs are ordering cameras as their chosen form of conspicuous consumption.
    that is a funny post - actually a conspicuous consumption index may actually be a good idea!

  11. #511
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by roguewave View Post
    I'm curious about one thing. Has anyone on this forum actually used this camera? If so, do they have anything of substance to discuss & display in regards to the images it renders.

    I live in NYC and I'm on the street almost everyday taking images. Although the financial sector appears to have liquefied like molten lava, the average employee at Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Barclays (Lehman Bros) and several dozen other hedge funds, private equity & other little empires will soon receive an average BONUS OF 700K - 500K, shortly. They already own several homes, pied-a-tiers, yachts.... Conspicuous consumption is their stock in trade. On weekends some of the Quant guys (the people that design the trading programs & make millions in BASE salary) come to Washington Square Park with wads of $100 bills to play chess & more importantly to BET on other players. There is a world of MONOPOLY Money that many don't really understand. Money is no object. These same folks often are lugging 25-40K worth of MF Hassy or M8.2 with 5 new Summiluxs around in a canvas sling bag. I'm talking throwaway style.

    The Leica brand has lasted a long time. It, like Cartier, Brendel & just a few others still means the Pinnacle. There is no second, if only in cache. Wherever I go, on any street, uptown, downtown, in the furthest reaches of Harlem, the Bronx, Bed-Sty, EVERYONE knows what Leica is & WANTS one. The fact that itís out of reach is the reason it will sell. Many of the owners of current Leica gear canít use them & donít know how. They donít care about that. It is often an heirloom & will remain so, like a Rolex.

    If the S2 provides the kind of quality that Vanity Fair demands, it has a future. It may not be yours or mine but one thing still sells and always will. Those that can afford the best buy it.
    Then Leica should wrap it in baby Harp Seal skin, then have Wagnerian Hand Maidens ceremoniously place it in a White Tiger fur lined box ... and charge more for it.

  12. #512
    roguewave
    Guest

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I have played with it at PMA.

    But I agree some will buy the best but who is saying this is actually it. Still a question mark and frankly it is not the best in MF photography at least in many eye's.
    My point exactly. I "played with it" too. I still don't really know anything of substance about the imagery, or let's call it "Work product".

    It just seems that you have drawn a line in the sand without any real knowledge about what this system can DO. You have the right to do so, but it seems out of character for an educator and a leader of work shops to baptize something that nobody knows much about as yet. From the tenor of your post you obviously consider this product DOA. You might be right. I don't have answers & frankly I came to this thread looking for knowledge, not speculation.

    For those that have resentment about the price, there's an endless line. I won't be able to afford this system, but given the wonderful partnership I have with all my various Leica cameras & lenses since 1973, My M3 is still the best rangefinder I can use with the worldís best 35mm lenses. My DMR is still the best digital camera on the planet for the kind of imagery that interests me. The R glass & DMR are incomparable when it comes to bokeh, color & sharpness. Iím still willing to see the goods before I pronounce judgment. Iím not sure what skin you might have in the game to do otherwise?

  13. #513
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    1,513
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Roguewave,
    A point you make is really a big issue right now.....you came looking for knowledge.....that is pretty much what a lot of folks have been asking for quite some time about the S2. Instead, they have received scattered bits of information, some second or third hand comments, a lucky few have "played" with a prototype, etc. There are few real specs published of the production version, but Leica has seen to it to post a price listing that intimates the S2 is at or near the top level of the MF cameras known to produce and that are used daily. Nobody has seen much more of anything than that. However, folks that do shoot MF, and have used just about every variety of lens, body, back that is available, do understand that it will be quite a stretch for Leica to produce something that will be capable of producing images that are head and shoulders above what is out there now at much more modest prices.

    I think most folks reading this thread are looking for data, specs, real sample shots and files to make the call. All they have instead is a list of very pricey products and some marketspeak about how great and groundbreaking the S2 is or will be. Did you really expect folks that do know something about photographic gear to NOT speculate, based on what little they have to work with, but what has been promised?

    The pricing does take the breath away from a lot of folks that would be serious candidates for this system, and I am not talking about the collectors and those with tons of disposable cash. Leica wants their money too, rest assured.

    I guess the question those folks have to ask, like the wealthy crowd you mention, is just what will they be using a camera like this for? Surely most are not going to be looking forward to 100+MB files for snapshots to send to Muffy, are they?

    Stick around.....specs are promised shortly, as are sample images. Then the pixel peepers and others will start to dig into them and figure out just whether the Leica promises are delivering at the price they are asking.

    LJ

  14. #514
    Member Seascape's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    239
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    This whole thing is just too funny. I should say that while the thought of owning a S2 system might seem intriguing , the stated pricing puts it out of reach for me personally.....in the same way an Aston Martin is out of reach.

    What I do find interesting, is that people seem to be personally offended that Leica has priced this product out of their price range. I don't see people saying, I'm a good driver, I should be able to buy an Aston Martin. Why don't they price them so that I can buy one

    If Leica has decided to market the S2 to elite fashion photographers, and the conspicuous consumption crowd, so be it.
    Last edited by Seascape; 12th August 2009 at 20:15.

  15. #515
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Munich
    Posts
    876
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Well people are offended, because as I am, they are afraid this could be Leicas Last mistake. I think really nobody would like to see that because we all want a R10, but especially an M9.

  16. #516
    Workshop Member ptomsu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Austria, close to Vienna
    Posts
    3,868
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    After many years of being a real Leica fan I finally sold all my R gear, still keeping my M system - do not know for how long - as I can see my photographic style/needs changed so much I will no longer be able to get real benefit out of these Leica systems.

    What I find disappointing by Leica is, that they literally left R users standing in the rain after putting some rumors on them for many years and they do the same with the M system and instead of having done their homework in the M and R area they come up with another system - the S system - in an area where they are very likely to fail, just because of the requested pricing structure etc.

    And after all they are not even able to keep their promised delivery times for that S system - a real shame - but actually what would one have expected different from that company after the last decades.

    For me the whole story is rather the proof for the coming death of Leica - no matter how many S systems they are able to sell

  17. #517
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    etrigan63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Earth, Sol System (near Miami, FL)
    Posts
    2,501
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    21

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    I spoke with David Farkas recently and he told me that the folks who pre-ordered the S2 prior to the USA price announcement didn't even bat an eye when the final pricing was announced. No one canceled and all ponied up the cash/credit to purchase the systems. Perhaps there is an untapped market of Leica users who were waiting for Leica to make the move to medium format. If so, that is a new definition of "loyal".

    I, like the many other working professionals here, have to weigh cost/benefit before plunking down any hard-earned sheckles on an unproven system costing this much. Until I see the goods and files it produces and compare them to the competition, I will reserve judgment on the S2.

    For now, I am picking up a nice demo M8 to replace the one I sold.
    Carlos Echenique | Carlos Echenique Photography |Olympus OM-D E-M1 MK II | Olympus Pen-F - M.Zuiko 17mm f/1.8, M.Zuiko 25mm f/1.8, M.Zuiko 45mm f/1.8, Rokinon 12mm f/2 NCS, M.Zuiko 75mm f/1.8, M.Zuiko 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO, M.Zuiko 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO

  18. #518
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    carstenw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Posts
    2,530
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Well people are offended, because as I am, they are afraid this could be Leicas Last mistake. I think really nobody would like to see that because we all want a R10, but especially an M9.
    Don't mistake fear for anger.
    Carsten - Website

  19. #519
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    carstenw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Posts
    2,530
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by roguewave View Post
    Although the financial sector appears to have liquefied like molten lava, the average employee at Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Barclays (Lehman Bros) and several dozen other hedge funds, private equity & other little empires will soon receive an average BONUS OF 700K - 500K, shortly. They already own several homes, pied-a-tiers, yachts...
    Interesting post, and I agree that the camera shouldn't be judged in advance, but this particular bit sounds made up. The average employee at Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Barclays, et al, doesn't even earn a base salary anywhere near that high. I expect that there is a very tiny core of managers who earn bonuses in that range.
    Carsten - Website

  20. #520
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    2,338
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    52

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    This forum is starting to sound like a socialists cabal - please keep up the stoopid commentary - it is very amusing. Can someone please explain to me - what 'conspicuous consumption' is and what the current penalty is for doing so in the communist republic of America?

    Thank you in advance commrades.

  21. #521
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Jupiter, Fla.
    Posts
    1,967
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Conspicuous consumption isn't a crime here (yet) so the only real penalty is that you might engender disdain and scorn from those that, in better times, might have had a feeling more like envy. Kind of like wearing a fur coat Of course, if you bump into this, the odds are you're probably hanging around with the wrong crowd...

  22. #522
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Hollywood, FL
    Posts
    580
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by etrigan63 View Post
    I spoke with David Farkas recently and he told me that the folks who pre-ordered the S2 prior to the USA price announcement didn't even bat an eye when the final pricing was announced. No one canceled and all ponied up the cash/credit to purchase the systems. Perhaps there is an untapped market of Leica users who were waiting for Leica to make the move to medium format. If so, that is a new definition of "loyal".

    I, like the many other working professionals here, have to weigh cost/benefit before plunking down any hard-earned sheckles on an unproven system costing this much. Until I see the goods and files it produces and compare them to the competition, I will reserve judgment on the S2.

    For now, I am picking up a nice demo M8 to replace the one I sold.
    I wouldn't say they didn't bat an eye. They just weren't too surprised as I gave them an estimate of $18-23K for the body before pricing was announced (this was my guess at that time). So, pretty much everyone on my list understood the pricing and was (mostly) prepared for it. When all was said and done, one person backed out due to price, but he had expressed at the time of pre-order that he hoped the camera would be priced much lower than my esitmate. And, since pricing has come out, several others have contacted me to pre-order. So, believe it or not, the net result after pricing is positive.

    From my conversations, the message is clear. If the S2 delivers the promised IQ and ergonomics/speed, it will be a big success for Leica. There are those that have wanted a system like this for a long time. The S2 has filled that void. I can unequivocally say that not one of my customers thinks of the S2 as jewlery or a status symbol. They are all interested in the performance and form factor, combined with Leica glass, both amateur and pro alike.

    David
    David Farkas
    Leica Store Miami

  23. #523
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    1,513
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Getting a bit lost, again, in what is being asked/said. The issue of "conspicuous consumption" is whatever it is. I thought one of the issues being discussed was whether the new Leica S2 system is worth as much as Leica is asking.....the value/performance debate. Sure, anybody with means can always spend a lot and maybe more than the value of what they are really buying. So what. A key component here, and something we do not yet really know, is just how well the S2 does or does not do. Right now we have limited information and marketing. We also have a price tag that suggests the S2 is at or above the highest end in the MF market of Phase, Hasselblad and whatever folks want to think about with respect to lenses and stuff. It may well be that the S2 does hold its own against some of the bigger kits. We just do not have anything to support nor refute that today. What we do know is that the sensor is smaller than other top end MF kits. We do know that the system is not modular. We do not know how upgradable it may or may not be. We do know that it appears to be more like a 35mm DSLR system (nothing inherently good or bad in that alone, just what it is). We do know that there will be a spread of time before the system is really complete, with respect to lenses that some may want or need to use. We have no idea how good or bad the service associated with the S2 will be, but we do have some experiences from other Leica products.....they tend to eventually try to make things right, but it may take a lot longer than some can tolerate for their needs. Again, we just have not seen Leica's new service offering played out. We see the marketing and promises, but no delivery record to speak of on this system.

    So, consumption arguments and all that stuff aside, is the Leica S2 good value for the asking price? We just do not yet know. What we do know is that Leica is asking more for their system and components than what is equivalent (at least in specs) in the market at this point. Fine, Leica has always been pricey. Can it and will it deliver at the prices being asked? For some, it does not matter. For others it is a very valid question. Dropping $50-75K for a new, untested system that is not as fully MF capable (meaning modular), nor really the same as 35mm DSLR capabilities (taking the pluses and minuses into account), and not having any other recourse but the S-glass to use, is asking a lot. Leica says in its marketing materials that is primarily targeting a more narrow, but active group of professional photographers (fashion, wedding, studio) that they say want a more 35mm DSLR form factor, more speed than present MF systems offer, only need a few good lenses, and do not care as much about tons of MP, so 37.5 MP may be enough. That is what they appear to have built the S2 to address. They are not saying they are catering to all aspects of MF capability....at least not directly. Yet they are pricing their offering at a level that many, not everyone, think is a bit over the top. That has been the reaction from the moment Leica released the prices.

    So, for the folks that have already ponied up the monies for this new, untested system, good luck and let's all hope it fulfills your wants and desires. For the folks still waiting to see what it does or does not do, hang in there, hopefully there will be more news and examples to help you decide. For those that already know it is more than they can or WANT to spend for things, no problem having thoughts and opinions also. Bottom line is that we do not have anything more than what limited and somewhat scattered information has been released on the S2. We have a lot of interest. We have a lot of folks maybe wishing/wanting something like this, but put off by the high prices, especially when compared to other things in the market that are now delivering as much or more than what the S2 promises in most areas for a lot less investment. So be it. My personal thoughts are that I love the concept. I think it may hit a sweet spot for a lot of interested photographers, pro or not. I think it still has a price tag that seems a bit excessive at this point, even for Leica. That remains to be proven, both in its output, and in the marketplace. A lot of folks want to see it succeed, maybe not just as a MF option, but because they do not want to see Leica go belly up before they get what they are seeking....be it the M9 or some new iteration of the R system.

    LJ

  24. #524
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    1,513
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by dfarkas View Post
    I wouldn't say they didn't bat an eye. They just weren't too surprised as I gave them an estimate of $18-23K for the body before pricing was announced (this was my guess at that time).
    This is interesting, David. As you may have had as much or more contact/experience with the S2 as anybody, even your guesstimate was a fair bit lower than what Leica actually is asking, and you are on the sales/marketing side of things. Does that not suggest that maybe Leica IS shooting a bit high on the price?

    LJ

  25. #525
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Hollywood, FL
    Posts
    580
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by LJL View Post
    This is interesting, David. As you may have had as much or more contact/experience with the S2 as anybody, even your guesstimate was a fair bit lower than what Leica actually is asking, and you are on the sales/marketing side of things. Does that not suggest that maybe Leica IS shooting a bit high on the price?

    LJ
    LJ,

    I truly believe that Leica was trying to keep the price at about $20K, but the USD just kept getting hammered. As of right now, the Euro is worth $1.43, and I think this has more to do with pricing than other factors. Yes, the price came in at the high end of my estimate at $23K, but still in range.

    David
    David Farkas
    Leica Store Miami

  26. #526
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Terry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    6,955
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1145

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Conspicuous consumption isn't a crime here (yet) so the only real penalty is that you might engender disdain and scorn from those that, in better times, might have had a feeling more like envy. Kind of like wearing a fur coat Of course, if you bump into this, the odds are you're probably hanging around with the wrong crowd...
    The phrase they are using in Iceland to describe current conspicuous consumption events is:

    "that is sooooo 2007"


  27. #527
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    2,338
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    52

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Conspicuous consumption isn't a crime here (yet) so the only real penalty is that you might engender disdain and scorn from those that, in better times, might have had a feeling more like envy. Kind of like wearing a fur coat Of course, if you bump into this, the odds are you're probably hanging around with the wrong crowd...
    Thanks David - so conspicuous consumption is like when someone uses their hard earned to buy something they want - which someone else doesn't buy because they dont want it - and in order to spit in the face of the person who bought something they wanted - they call it 'conspicuous'?

    Where do I get the list from the comrades about what is conspicuous or not? I mean I am confused - at what price does something become conspicuous...is there kind of like a dividing line for all possible items able to be bought? Is there conspicuous consumption index that the comrades get together at the local chapter of the socialist club and kind of write lists?

    do you need a license to call something conspicuous consumption ? Is there a dergee from a college that hands out degrees in being able to call something conspicuous?

    Is there a level of consumption that isnt conspicuous to anyone - or is conspicuous a relative thing ?

    I need to know so I can make sure that I dont upset any of the comrades in here - otherwise I may end up on a proscribed list or something - are there any salt mines in the USofA wher conspicuous consumers are sent too? IF not do the comrades intend to lease some space in Siberia to send conspicuous consumers too?

    What is going to be on next years conspicuous consumption list and will this be back dated?

    So Leica is kind of an evil naughty company because - they promote conspicuous consumption??


    maybe the US Congress should pass a law outlawing conspicuous consumption ...I am sure a whole bunch of weenie lefty commie ratbags would be in favour of it..and a bunch of internet mongoes with half a brain would agree as well...they could sign up all the haters of evil Wall St types..who would also join in the petition..

    pfffffffft - I think some of these comrades are conspicuous consumers of OXYGEN.

  28. #528
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Rye, NY
    Posts
    113
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by dfarkas View Post
    I wouldn't say they didn't bat an eye. They just weren't too surprised as I gave them an estimate of $18-23K for the body before pricing was announced (this was my guess at that time). So, pretty much everyone on my list understood the pricing and was (mostly) prepared for it. When all was said and done, one person backed out due to price, but he had expressed at the time of pre-order that he hoped the camera would be priced much lower than my esitmate. And, since pricing has come out, several others have contacted me to pre-order. So, believe it or not, the net result after pricing is positive.

    From my conversations, the message is clear. If the S2 delivers the promised IQ and ergonomics/speed, it will be a big success for Leica. There are those that have wanted a system like this for a long time. The S2 has filled that void. I can unequivocally say that not one of my customers thinks of the S2 as jewlery or a status symbol. They are all interested in the performance and form factor, combined with Leica glass, both amateur and pro alike.

    David
    I have liked the idea of this camera since its announcement and have been looking for such a camera the past 4 years, after handling it in the flesh last month I feel that it is a camera I would like to work with, the proof will be in the files and software..until then I am batting both eyes
    at the costs laid out. I understand the bad dollar, but if the euro goes down to 1.28 again in 2 months will I see it reflected in the price..I don't think so.
    I have however listed a bunch of my rollei stuff on ebay to add to my war-chest in hopes that the files are what I am looking for..a camera system I can use until retirement and beyond.. again that bumper sticker comes to mind.. "life is too short to hunt with an ungly dog"

  29. #529
    Senior Member stephengilbert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Santa Monica, CA
    Posts
    2,272
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Peter,

    Are you serious? If you don't know what conspicuous consumption means, perhaps you should write shorter responses. If you just want to attack whoever it is you have a gripe with, why not start a new thread?

    "Conspicuous consumption," according to Wikipedia, "is a term used to describe the lavish spending on goods and services acquired mainly for the purpose of displaying income or wealth. In the mind of a conspicuous consumer, such display serves as a means of attaining or maintaining social status."

    Steve

  30. #530
    Sr. Administrator Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Los Altos, CA
    Posts
    10,486
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1031

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Folks:

    Let's keep the discussion on point and friendly. A few of you -- and I do mean more than one -- are beginning to cross the line of polite discussion and I will lock this one down if it goes any further off course. IOW, you are free to trash gear all you want, but not other members...
    Jack
    home: www.getdpi.com

    "Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."

  31. #531
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    That is a really good question if the euro declines and the dollar goes up will there be any adjustment to this pricing structure. Also one thing never mentioned here and maybe something Leica may want to offer is two options maybe even three is some kind of leasing program, buyout program and /or Credit card program. certainly would help a lot of folks out. The big issue for existing users or more likely Pro's is we can't hobble in with used gear for one and we have to buy body and mainly all our lenses at one time. The hobbyist can build that system up anytime they have more money for it but the Pro's really need to jump in full throttle and buy a body and at least 3 lenses to get into the system completely. So the money outlay at first for us Pro's is pretty steep like estimated about 40k or so for a couple lenses. So some kind of payment schedule would be helpful. The issue for many here is the hobbling in with Mamiya/Phase, Hassy, Sinar system is we can get a new back and body but have that option to get in used on the glass and rebuild it later on upgrading and this is how many of us including myself got in the MF market. Unfortunately for Leica is there is no used lenses to hobble in the door. So we have to outlay a lot right up front for the Pro market , not easy to do in economic stress. This maybe the area leica could actually help the Pro market out because of this hobbling in process most Pro's have to take by offering no interest loans or CC and/or leasing programs.
    Frankly this is part of the sticker shock some of us are looking at is we have way to hobble in like the hobbyist can do. they can buy a body and lens and are in no hurry to get the next lens or service/accessories and all that goes with buying a new system. I would like to call that the system stress factor for lack of a better phrase. the Pro's have to deal with this but the hobbyist does not.
    I'm looking at this and trying to see if there is anyway to jump in in 6 months when everything has it's check mark next to it but coming up with 25 to 40k in hard cold cash is not the easiest task to do. A finance program may help the Pro's and in turn help Leica in a huge way. BTW whoever said I thought this system was DOA is nuts , those words never came out of my mouth. This is a exciting project but us Pro's need to find a way in the door and we don't care about the jewelry buyers, they will buy whatever they want but when you target a project directly at the Pro market than you need to find a way to let them in. This idea could be one of many, the concept is there and for a lot of Pro's this is what they are after. Some obviously will not budge on it. Again need versus want and that is how most Pro's will buy. Hobbyist buy certainly on a more want than need basis and god love them because ever OEM camera company thrives on them.
    Let it be very clear when i talk it comes from a Pro's mouth piece that is all I have ever known for 33 years in this business is being a Pro and having that mentality. If I had a real job outside this business and made a lot of money I would probably buy this in a NY heartbeat because i do love Leica product and owned them all. End of story
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  32. #532
    Sr. Administrator Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Los Altos, CA
    Posts
    10,486
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1031

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Back to the topic from my perspective:

    1) Until we have the product in market, this entire thread is all speculation.

    2) The "value" of the system will be based on the end user's ability to afford it offset by their view of the quality of file and/or convenience/ease-of-use and/or feature sets the combined system provides.

    3) The cost will eliminate some percentage of potential users regardless of how good they think the system is or performs. Others will buy it regardless of cost or performance because it is Leica.

    4) Leica has historically made first-rate cameras and lenses, and we have no reason to think the S2 will be anything less than history indicates.

    5) New releases from Leica have not been free of operational issues that needed to be sorted out, and the speed with which they react is perhaps slower than other companies, and perhaps slower than their average customer base is comfortable with. However, the fact remains Leica did work diligently to address those issues and did eventually provide acceptable solutions for most (not all) of their customers.

    Given the above, I suspect there will be enough early adopters of the S2 that initial supply of hardware will be limited for several months. I also suspect that a significant percentage of Leica's potential customers will NOT be early adopters and will wait poised on the sidelines to see how the system performs before taking the plunge.

    Finally, given the recently stated pricing being roughly 50% higher than original estimates and 50% higher than other similar options, I suspect there is a significant percentage of potential users that have crossed it off their short list. And some of those are obviously not too happy they had to cross it off for that reason...
    Jack
    home: www.getdpi.com

    "Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."

  33. #533
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Manchester/Jerusalem
    Posts
    2,652
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    290

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Guy, you have to write the longest paragraphs ever man!
    I am not a painter, nor an artist. Therefore I can see straight, and that may be my undoing. - Alfred Stieglitz

    Website: http://www.timelessjewishart.com

  34. #534
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Tell me about it the brain starts and those two fingers just won't stop for anything
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  35. #535
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Hollywood, FL
    Posts
    580
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Guy,

    Thanks for bringing this up. Leica will be making recommendations of leasing companies. In the meantime, we (Dale Photo) have contacted three seperate leasing companies who are very interested in writing leases on the S2.

    I'm a big believer in leasing for business. You've been to our lab and seen the large printing machines we have. Each one is $250K (makes the S2 look inexpensive...). Each paper magazine costs $5K (we have 14... for one machine!). We lease this equipment. Most businesses that have a large capital expenditure do the same, whether (to use Jono's example) you are a truck driver who has to buy a $100K truck, a pro lab that has to spend $500K on printing machines, or a photographer that is looking to get into a $50K camera system.

    From a business perspective, you can spread the cost of the system out over 2, 3, or 4 years, paying monthly. The entire monthly payment can be written off (interest and depreciation). Contrary to some confusion, you do own the equipment if you opt for a FMV or $1 buyout lease. I've heard so many people reply to my suggestion of leasing with "I don't like to rent my gear. I prefer to own it." So, generally, these kinds of leases work differently than car leasing where you return the car after 3 years.

    Leasing is a great option for the pro or rental studio that can use incoming monthly revenue to pay for a new system, without searching through the cushions of the couch or donning the ski mask in August. Most leases can be approved within 24 hours and only require a one-page application to be filled out. Usually, no tax returns or bank statements are necessary. So, the process can be pretty simple.

    David
    David Farkas
    Leica Store Miami

  36. #536
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Thanks David for bringing that up. Yes my ski masks designs are getting old and the banks are starting to point me out. LOL

    The Kids already hit the couch cushions
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  37. #537
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Hollywood, FL
    Posts
    580
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thanks David for bringing that up. Yes my ski masks designs are getting old and the banks are starting to point me out. LOL

    The Kids already hit the couch cushions
    Do you have the ones with those flowery prints that were popular in the 70's?
    David Farkas
    Leica Store Miami

  38. #538
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    No but that maybe a good idea. LOL
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  39. #539
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    carstenw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Posts
    2,530
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    1) Until we have the product in market, this entire thread is all speculation.

    2) The "value" of the system will be based on the end user's ability to afford it offset by their view of the quality of file and/or convenience/ease-of-use and/or feature sets the combined system provides.

    3) The cost will eliminate some percentage of potential users regardless of how good they think the system is or performs. Others will buy it regardless of cost or performance because it is Leica.

    4) Leica has historically made first-rate cameras and lenses, and we have no reason to think the S2 will be anything less than history indicates.

    5) New releases from Leica have not been free of operational issues that needed to be sorted out, and the speed with which they react is perhaps slower than other companies, and perhaps slower than their average customer base is comfortable with. However, the fact remains Leica did work diligently to address those issues and did eventually provide acceptable solutions for most (not all) of their customers.
    6) The value of money is not the same for everyone. For someone with easy access to money, the value of the S2 may be significantly higher. Some people speak of the S2 as if it has a fixed value/cost ratio, which isn't true.
    Carsten - Website

  40. #540
    Workshop Member glenerrolrd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Jupiter FL/Atlanta GA
    Posts
    2,279
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Just a quick point on leasing. When you lease with a residual value of $1..you are in effect just financing the item leased. You gave up the opportunity to use accelerated depreciation to "write off" /expense the purchase. You are limited to the lease payments which is less than the depreciation at the beginning. As with any financing decision you need to look hard at the cost of money and any additional costs (insurance) that are specified . Leasing in most cases costs more. The primary benefit of leasing is that it uses the collateral established in the item to give you access to the money and then the item.

    On automobiles leasing has the additional advantage of locking in your residual(at a lower than expected but guaranteed amount).

    Its a fair cost of doing business and for most small businesses the only way they can get access to the financing but its expensive . This is why companies that GE use their internal financial divisions to provide leasing/financing solutions on big ticket items.

    Carsten s point on the value of money being not the same for everyone is important as is the point about the value of the S2 to each person. Unfortunately if leasing is a solution to affordability.....then you will really pay a lot. Your situation maybe different check with your accountant .

  41. #541
    Sr. Administrator Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Los Altos, CA
    Posts
    10,486
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1031

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    6) The value of money is not the same for everyone. For someone with easy access to money, the value of the S2 may be significantly higher. Some people speak of the S2 as if it has a fixed value/cost ratio, which isn't true.
    Carsten, I agree but that is inferred in my point #2...
    Jack
    home: www.getdpi.com

    "Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."

  42. #542
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Roger good points. I personally would like to take the write off depreciation right off the top . Our favorite Section 179 clause with the IRS.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  43. #543
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    carstenw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Posts
    2,530
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Carsten, I agree but that is inferred in my point #2...
    Upon re-reading your point, yup, you are right Oh well, my useless entry of the day.
    Carsten - Website

  44. #544
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Never useless.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  45. #545
    Workshop Member glenerrolrd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Jupiter FL/Atlanta GA
    Posts
    2,279
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Conspicuous consumption will not be much of a factor in the S2 s success. The money is out there and although we were close to the edge in March ..things are getting better. In the winter I am down in Jupiter (same town as davidK and 30 miles north of David F)...this is an epicenter of conspicuous consumption. I am guilty as charged ! The trend is against it right now(and it doesn t feel right with so many people out of work ). But this wouldn t be much of a factor in my buying decision for or against.

    I think a more relevant viewpoint might be the fear factor. Most people don t feel comfortable wearing a solid gold Rolex out on the street . I cover my leica red/black dots because I want to go where I want to without the fear of being mugged. So I don t think I could use the S2 as freely as my DMR or my M8s and even my Nikons are drawing too much attention. If I had an S2 I would hope most people thought I was using a Panasonic.

    Now ,of course, if I was at a workshop with knowledgeable photographers..I would be showing off my latest f0.5 light sucker and marveling at the whisper thin DOF . And if you think I would go to the South Pole with a digital rebel ...well thats not going to happen.

    But on serious note.....I think the general professional market is over rated as the critical customer base. The majority of professional photographers can not justify an s2 any more than they can justify the newest Phase or Hasselblads. Its just not necessary for the intended end use of the images. Rather its the select few that still get the major commercial assignments ,the celebrity wedding/event guys and those in a special class ..e.g. Salgado .

    In the end the S2 will only succeed if its truly best in class for specific uses. I hope Leica focuses on those key areas of differentiation and supports them with credible evidence. Stop worrying about wether the pros can afford the system and concentrate on those photographers using DMRs,D3xs and 1DsIII s thats where the market is. (My 2cents...but I might just own an S2 someday ).

  46. #546
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    I think Roger you should get one and bring it to the Oregon workshop.

    I need a tall guy to hold me up as we go into the Cranberry bogs. LOL
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  47. #547
    Sr. Administrator Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Los Altos, CA
    Posts
    10,486
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1031

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    I give in. I'm on my way to my local dealer to place my deposit on a pair of S2 bodies and one copy of each lens...
    Jack
    home: www.getdpi.com

    "Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."

  48. #548
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Hell bud I'm flying over. LOL

    Meet you at the steak house . Obviously you hit the Powerball and are buying.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  49. #549
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Damn I can't find Jack maybe he was serious. Quick anyone near Keeble better go check on him.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  50. #550
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,275
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    7

    Re: Official USA Pricing for Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Damn I can't find Jack maybe he was serious. Quick anyone near Keeble better go check on him.
    So THATS why Jack called me for a Cash Advance earlier today. Seemed really out of character.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •