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    Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    I just talked to the Leica shop in Vienna

    https://www.leicashop.com/index.php?lang=en

    which currently I would call "the Leica representation in Austria" and asked for news about the S2.

    They just invited me to an event in their shop in Vienna on 9th September at 3PM but did not mention any details. Asking what would be the great news, they just told me that they needed to kill me if I knew from them

    Asking about M9 they of course gave the same answer .....

    So obviously something is boiling - maybe "just" the intro of the S System, or maybe also a new M9 ????

    Anybody any other hints?

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    Seems to be the word that is out. The S2 is already announced and I already know the release date and it is not this date. Don't ask or I would have to hurt you . LOL

    Must be the rumored M9 or maybe just maybe something else
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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Seems to be the word that is out. The S2 is already announced and I already know the release date and it is not this date. Don't ask or I would have to hurt you . LOL

    Must be the rumored M9 or maybe just maybe something else
    So lets hope the M9

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Or maybe a new goldfish-skinned and gold plated version of the S2.
    More expenseive still, from the imaginary spokesperson's mouth "Do you know how many of those rare goldfish it takes to cover this camera, and do you have any idea how hard they are to catch without bruising them?"

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    I want a underwater housing for Oregon
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    That would be one hella-large housing
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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    The M9 on 09/09/2009 at 9am... (Which is 3pm in Wien, err, Vienna)

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    If this is true then I have to take back everything I thought about Leica's capacity/capability. I might even have to revise my thinking on their marketing approach. I mean after years of building up suspense over the S2 and then completely drowning any hopes I had of owning one by pricing it as they did, they slip in a brand-new M9 (which would have been worth a similar marketing build-up all by itself) for a mere $8k. Which, compared to the S2's price, seems pretty reasonable.

    In what might be a fiendishly clever plot, they have managed to manipulate the sales of the M9 to all those S2 wannabe owners like me. Sort of a reverse bait-and-switch. It's possible that I am more excited by the M9 than I thought I was for the S2. Heck, if I buy one, I'll be saving almost $15k on the body alone!

    I'm doomed.

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    The M9 on 09/09/2009 at 9am... (Which is 3pm in Wien, err, Vienna)
    Why Eastern US time as the reference time zone?
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    Yup you are doomed, we all are doomed.
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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Tim,

    You've figured them out: there is no S2, it's just a stalking horse to make you say "Wow, only ten thousand dollars, that's a bargain" when they announce the M9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    If this is true then I have to take back everything I thought about Leica's capacity/capability. I might even have to revise my thinking on their marketing approach. I mean after years of building up suspense over the S2 and then completely drowning any hopes I had of owning one by pricing it as they did, they slip in a brand-new M9 (which would have been worth a similar marketing build-up all by itself) for a mere $8k. Which, compared to the S2's price, seems pretty reasonable.

    In what might be a fiendishly clever plot, they have managed to manipulate the sales of the M9 to all those S2 wannabe owners like me. Sort of a reverse bait-and-switch. It's possible that I am more excited by the M9 than I thought I was for the S2. Heck, if I buy one, I'll be saving almost $15k on the body alone!

    I'm doomed.
    I like this thinking. Actually folks let's think about this in terms of need . Question becomes this for 34k you can get at 37mpx S2 with standard lens or for a 18mpx M9 with a 50 lux for 10k. The question is this is it worth the 24k difference to to have double the MPX and the real question is this do you really need more than 18mpx CCD no AA filter with the famed M glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I like this thinking. Actually folks let's think about this in terms of need . Question becomes this for 34k you can get at 37mpx S2 with standard lens or for a 18mpx M9 with a 50 lux for 10k. The question is this is it worth the 24k difference to to have double the MPX and the real question is this do you really need more than 18mpx CCD no AA filter with the famed M glass.
    This is my thinking as well, actually if they give me a FF M9, then with my more or less complete selection of M glass I would be pretty much ok.

    Especially if I think about stitching and merging in PS. Think that should solve many of my landscape needs.

    So I have some hope and it would be much cheaper than any digital MF solution

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    Peter a Tech camera with back and a M9. Nice combo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Peter a Tech camera with back and a M9. Nice combo
    Right

    Actually when combining a tech cam with a 30MP back this should do for most situations and come with a pretty good price

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Why Eastern US time as the reference time zone?
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    Much like in poetry, "it was the only thing that would rhyme."

    The "M9 on 09/09/2009" part is the "word on the street" - I don't know about the time. I agree with your sense of suspicion that it would be German time if anything. Maybe it's because of PMA Canada Exposition 2009?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Actually when combining a tech cam with a 30MP back this should do for most situations and come with a pretty good price
    no. As long as you are referring to a P30 it's not the best choice for use on a tech camera due to the microlenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    no. As long as you are referring to a P30 it's not the best choice for use on a tech camera due to the microlenses.
    True, forgot this fact.

    What I meant is that actually 30MP would be enough, so lets go for the P45+ or P40+ and a tech cam - I think still a pretty "cheap" solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I like this thinking. Actually folks let's think about this in terms of need . Question becomes this for 34k you can get at 37mpx S2 with standard lens or for a 18mpx M9 with a 50 lux for 10k. The question is this is it worth the 24k difference to to have double the MPX and the real question is this do you really need more than 18mpx CCD no AA filter with the famed M glass.
    You're right Guy, this IS the real question...and for me the answer is I can not justify the 34K but I'd love to have this CCD no AA Full Frame camera to use with several lens I dalready own ...(obviously the systems are soooo different, it all depends on one needs).
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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    The event is probably just the unveiling of the production S2 for a hands on, I wouldn't get too excited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I like this thinking. Actually folks let's think about this in terms of need . Question becomes this for 34k you can get at 37mpx S2 with standard lens or for a 18mpx M9 with a 50 lux for 10k. The question is this is it worth the 24k difference to to have double the MPX and the real question is this do you really need more than 18mpx CCD no AA filter with the famed M glass.
    Guy,
    I had the same thoughts.

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    Well the reality is what is the final result you are trying to achieve even though the M and S are vastly different in shooting style but someone maybe a huge M fan this does make some sense. 18 or 21 mpx CCD and Non AA filter will most likely kill a D3x ( flame On)
    So the reality is this if your doing the most 16x20 prints how much more do you need. Now obviously there will be more detail in the MF comparison to that but how much will you see. It really is so much more than just MPX which frankly is the worst gauge around if you ask me. Just my test of the 31,39,40 mpx backs there is not a worldly difference. Just something to chew on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Well the reality is what is the final result you are trying to achieve even though the M and S are vastly different in shooting style but someone maybe a huge M fan this does make some sense. 18 or 21 mpx CCD and Non AA filter will most likely kill a D3x ( flame On)
    So the reality is this if your doing the most 16x20 prints how much more do you need. Now obviously there will be more detail in the MF comparison to that but how much will you see. It really is so much more than just MPX which frankly is the worst gauge around if you ask me. Just my test of the 31,39,40 mpx backs there is not a worldly difference. Just something to chew on
    As I have seen in praxis, from a 40MP file I easily can print up to 60X80 without issues in quality. And this is independent if I have a scanned file or a MFDB file.

    Having said that, I make a number of pano landscape shots. Now if I stitch say 5 images from an M9 FF with 20MP each in portrait format this would result in around 100MP minus overlap which results in say 60-80MP. I think this is MORE than enough. And equipment would be much lighter, cheaper and smaller

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    The one issue though with regards to this and you have to be careful is besides the detail let's not forget tonal range , DR and things of this nature which the MF back or S2 will be better at. There is a trade off
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    Plus with a M system you have lens limits and such. Besides RF shooting is NOT for everyone. Us old farts have a tough time focusing them. LOL
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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Plus with a M system you have lens limits and such. Besides RF shooting is NOT for everyone. Us old farts have a tough time focusing them. LOL
    Agreed. Maybe 9/9/09 is to announce that the R10 is back in the mix, due to overwhelming demand from the 50+ crowd with fading eyesight.

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    I will bet anybody a steak dinner it will be an M9 announcement...
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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    one thing Leica is good at is keeping the dogs slathering from one tid-bit to the next. first hooked me when the digilux 2 came out, but now I have been weened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I will bet anybody a steak dinner it will be an M9 announcement...
    I bet there are 2 announcements of new camera's and not the S2.
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    Anyone have a fire extinguisher. My wallet is on fire
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    Introducing... The new... Improved... D-LUX 5!



    I'm not quite an "old fart" (but sometimes I feel like one) and still shoot RF, but I have to agree Guy, they're not for everyone. I love my RFs, but honestly, I'll take an SLR for viewing any day. I like to see exactly what I'm getting. And there's nothing short of "amazing" to describe peepin' a Hassy screen. Well, except for maybe LF ground glass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    This is my thinking as well, actually if they give me a FF M9, then with my more or less complete selection of M glass I would be pretty much ok.

    Especially if I think about stitching and merging in PS. Think that should solve many of my landscape needs.

    So I have some hope and it would be much cheaper than any digital MF solution
    Yeah, but it'll come with Lightroom only, so we can count you out for the M9 ...

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    It is funny how it works differently for different people. I have difficulty focusing SLR's -- there is too much grey area! I keep going past perfect on either side, trying to get it right. RF's just snap into perfect focus for me. In particular, I find them much easier in low light. But anyway, thanks for the tip Peter. It sounds like it is on its way. I am just very excited to see what form it takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I will bet anybody a steak dinner it will be an M9 announcement...
    If it's not should I just send you receipt for the steak dinner I'll have that night? If it's true you'll come to Dublin and I'll take you to the Hard Eight for their rib eye or sirloin.

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    Wow, cool photo John.
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    It's at least a chamber of gluttony as they sell by the pound and it's real easy when they put it on the cutting block to over estimate. I'm really bad when it comes to the prime rib....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    18 or 21 mpx CCD and Non AA filter will most likely kill a D3x ( flame On)
    No flame, but suggesting an M9 would have any appreciable effect on the D3x in the market place (or the 1DsIII in the market place, for that matter) is not a very realistic assessment. Given the investment in lenses most D3X owners have, plus the availability of AF and more capable metering with the D3X, speed of operation, etc, I don't think switching would cross many D3X user's minds (it certainly wouldn't cross mine). Also, the D3X already has a fairly weak AA filter, and there's always Max Max if you want to get rid of the AA entirely. Even at the incredibly high pricing of the D3X, and even with a Max Max job, I suspect the D3X will still be cheaper than an M9 (and way less costly if you count the cost of switching lens systems). And of course, there's the D700X that's almost certainly on the near horizon.

    Leica's rangefinder glory days are behind them, at least as far as mass sales. An M9 will probably (hopefully) be a spectacular camera, and the lenses are of course legendary, but all that won't elevate it out of the niche category rangefinders are in.

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    Has to do with IQ , not talking about anything else . Certainly the D3X has it's place in the market and has a better loins share of usability. 6 mpx difference means absolute nothing but the mass marketing on mpx. has really screwed buyers into thinking there is. The D3x still has a screen door on the sensor and no getting around that except removing it and keeping up with M glass no one in 35mm comes close. Nikon finally has a couple really good lenses no question about that but I look forward to seeing a real test on this. I will put my money no doubt on the Leica and even uprezed to match the mpx of the Nikon.

    I'll stick with my clunky MF stuff and just along with them, so glad i am out of this war zone. LOL

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    Hi John:

    If you want the bet, here's how we can do it: I'll cover your (one) steak dinner at your steakhouse of choice in Texas up to $100 total including salad, sides, cocktails and desert; and you agree to cover the exact same for me at my steakhouse (Cupertino, CA) for up to $100. Fair enough? If you agree, we have a bet!

    Again, the bet is that at least an M9 is officially announced on 9-9-09 -- there may be additional announcements, but this is the only one we're betting on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Hi John:

    If you want the bet, here's how we can do it: I'll cover your (one) steak dinner at your steakhouse of choice in Texas up to $100 total including salad, sides, cocktails and desert; and you agree to cover the exact same for me at my steakhouse (Cupertino, CA) for up to $100. Fair enough? If you agree, we have a bet!

    Again, the bet is that at least an M9 is officially announced on 9-9-09 -- there may be additional announcements, but this is the only one we're betting on...

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    No flame, but suggesting an M9 would have any appreciable effect on the D3x in the market place (or the 1DsIII in the market place, for that matter) is not a very realistic assessment. Given the investment in lenses most D3X owners have, plus the availability of AF and more capable metering with the D3X, speed of operation, etc, I don't think switching would cross many D3X user's minds (it certainly wouldn't cross mine). Also, the D3X already has a fairly weak AA filter, and there's always Max Max if you want to get rid of the AA entirely. Even at the incredibly high pricing of the D3X, and even with a Max Max job, I suspect the D3X will still be cheaper than an M9 (and way less costly if you count the cost of switching lens systems). And of course, there's the D700X that's almost certainly on the near horizon.

    Leica's rangefinder glory days are behind them, at least as far as mass sales. An M9 will probably (hopefully) be a spectacular camera, and the lenses are of course legendary, but all that won't elevate it out of the niche category rangefinders are in.
    I tend to agree. I don't get this obsession with one solution to all photo needs. It seems a particularly hot topic on this forum. I was just in a similar debate on the subject.

    Personally I don't think of a rangefinder as a replacement for a DSLR, or the other way around.

    Maybe it's the price of digital gear that causes this?

    I just this minute shot some stuff of my 4lb Chihuahua out in the yard frolicking with a Doe and her Fawn using an AF 70-200 zoom ... I could have grabbed the M8, but who would do that? ... anymore than I'd particurally want to lug the DSLR on a trip NYC for some street work.

    Sorry, I don't get it. I guess I'm out of the loop

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    "Horses for courses" as the old saying goes Marc. Right tool for the right job. I wouldn't use a Leica M at a sporting event (you could, but only if you are masochistic or trying to prove a point) or an MFDB system as a street camera (not unless I am going for lots of startled looks). Right tool for the right job. I am slowly making my way back to M-digital. My D700 is awesome for what I use it for (stagecraft), but I miss my M8 and wish to return to the fold.
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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    Sorry, I don't get it. I guess I'm out of the loop

    -Marc
    Marc,

    Your about as out of the loop as a fox counting eggs in the hen house....

    I haven't seen any example of a camera that you have not put to great use in the past five years....film to Contax N1 on...and I agree that one platform cannot meet all photographic needs. Should one choose a single camera they must by default ignore many shots that would be captured with those cameras that they have ignored.

    As an example, here in Texas if you want any nature/animal photos you had better have a long lens...rangefinder out. Most rancher/farmers take a very low view of folks jumping fences and spooking their herds. And again pointing a 70-200mm lens at folks on the street can elicite a somewhat less that friendly response ( even from one's own family!).

    However the M9 will get my complete attention if Leica has done their due diligence in design and execution...it will sit well next to my M8. Leica gets major kudos for keeping this so quiet...it will defuse the mild disappointment that will be voiced on the S2 arrival from the Leica faithful.

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

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    Hi John:

    If you want the bet, here's how we can do it:

    Jack
    I dont know Jack...I have been to the Hard Eight and it rivals anything in California...maybe Harris Ranch would be a parallel. Almost worth a visit.

    Perhaps you and Guy can help John can set up a venue for a workshop in the Big Bend parks with side trips to Austin/Hill country for wildflowers with a side trip to the great steak bbq sites in Texas.

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I bet there are 2 announcements of new camera's and not the S2.
    Yup....the perfect Leica lineup.....M9 FF, R10 FF, S2. Covering all the bases.

    Now why didn't Leica think of that??

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    I never could think of a RF as a replacement for a DSLR and as DSLR I have my wonderful A900 plus Zeiss glass - but just for what I photograph in the moment mainly, which is landscape and pretty static - a FF RF like hopefully a M9 would do a great job. Especially in combination with all the M glass I own

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    if M9 is FF "no hiccups" with whatever pixels this will finally explain what/who will pay for the S2/Toys R us experiment



    WELCOME M9

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

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    If it's not should I just send you receipt for the steak dinner I'll have that night? If it's true you'll come to Dublin and I'll take you to the Hard Eight for their rib eye or sirloin.

    Hard Eight meat pit.


    very nice John but I see here more Calories than pixels

    where is this place/is this hard eight?

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Hi John:

    If you want the bet, here's how we can do it: I'll cover your (one) steak dinner at your steakhouse of choice in Texas up to $100 total including salad, sides, cocktails and desert; and you agree to cover the exact same for me at my steakhouse (Cupertino, CA) for up to $100. Fair enough? If you agree, we have a bet!

    Again, the bet is that at least an M9 is officially announced on 9-9-09 -- there may be additional announcements, but this is the only one we're betting on...

    Jack
    OK, Jack you are on. Let all here witness this. Either way this comes out I win.

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    Re: Leica - some great news on 9th September 2009

    Exactly and either way I will find a way to Hard Eight my cardiologist might disagree but screw him that looks delicious
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