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    Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Well almostt everything is here 24 shift , Zeiss 50 1.4 and the Zeiss 85 1.4. Okay the 50 is really sweet and i can tell already it looks more like my M8. Now I shotthe 85 but did not move the AF points to confirm focus . Mistake i need to do that and my son is home and dad's on his tail to try it again. LOL

    But my daughters girlfriend was here so real quick without using the AF points it did pretty good 1.4 is pretty soft but at F2 it starts rocking. Man this a lot like the 80 lux and 75 lux. Reason I bought it because I traded my 75 lux for a 75 cron so i still want day glow. LOL No sharpening

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Damn the F2 shot is the same. Big dummy I am.

    Obviously need to airbrush and all that but I just warmed it a touch and left it alone. I am in testing mode

    Bokeh is very nice indeed. Maybe a little better than the Nikon which is on it's way to David.

    BTW thanks to Ron Stamps here for sending me a mint copy of the Zeiss. Not sure he even shot it , that clean. LOL
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    So the way I understand how you would do this is pick the focus point and then manually focus but camera will confirm when you have focus. I'm assuming you were doing this in the viewfinder. How fast was it to get focus?
    how quickly can you change focus points? Is this just something it takes some time to get used to.

    Note to self - don't let Jack with medium format or Guy with sharp lenses take too many pictures that can show EVERY imperfection.

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Great question Terry. The focus system as as few as 9 point to as many as 51 . I set my camera up to have 11 i believe or 9 . Now to activate a AF point just a half press and the commander wheel you can go up down, side to side and even diagonal to set where you want your point to be and yes it is very fast . So now you have the point at the place you would like you focus and a green indicator pop's on. Now that can be distracting so you have to be careful if shoot 1.4 it's almost a focus bracket deal. Certainly a better manual focus screen is needed and need to look into that.
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Now having said that look how paper thin it is at 1.4 and you wonder why people complain about the Leica 1.4 lenses , no different here

    Folks really need to be realistic about shooting at 1.4 . Because your gonna miss a lot
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    This is pretty darn good at 1.4 from about 30 ft
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Well my subject was being a royal PITA. But the images are nice
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    At 2.8 looks pretty good
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Whoa, you nailed it at f/2 in those last shots of your son, not easy at such a short distance !

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Thanks Steen , looks to be a nice lens. Takes a little time to control everything but I am getting there
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Guy

    How about another thread with shots from the 50. I'd like to see your take on that lens.

    I shoot a D3, Leica M's idle but i miss the special look from the M lenses so when you compare Zeiss on Nikon look to Leica look I'm interested.

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Will do the 50mm also tomorrow.
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    The bokeh looks pretty scary in the planter shots.

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    That's a foreground pigmy palm . Ugly
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Guy,
    How accurate did you find the AF on the Nikon 85 1.4 shooting wide open. These Nikon screens don't give me that "pop into focus" that I like to have when manual focusing so I really rely on the AF. These shots look very good from f/2 down... 1.4 is definitely soft.

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Terry, generally manual focusing on the d200/300 is difficult without a
    katzeye screen. ( or similar )

    Re: the autofocus confirmation indicator gets you pretty close, but not
    necessarily is 100% accurate all the time, when you are in mf mode.

    In autofocus mode the camera focuses on something which might be or
    be not where you want it. the manual has a discussion on where the autofocus might be mislead.

    I generally use a nikon dr-6 raf when doing macros at magnified strength.
    getting a proper manual focus screen seems necessary!

    My zfs are currently underutilised as the weight of the 100 makro + manual focusing without a tripod does not suit me.

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    So the way I understand how you would do this is pick the focus point and then manually focus but camera will confirm when you have focus. I'm assuming you were doing this in the viewfinder. How fast was it to get focus?
    how quickly can you change focus points? Is this just something it takes some time to get used to.

    Note to self - don't let Jack with medium format or Guy with sharp lenses take too many pictures that can show EVERY imperfection.

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    excellent images Guy.

    The nikkor 85/1.4( which I have ) has been compared with the zf 85/1.4 ( which I do not have ) and the differences make it a tough decision to choose between these two.

    For me the af on the nikkor is the deal breaker esp. when i am shooting in dim light and without flash.

    Rome/Vatican/nikkor 85/1.4
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    I agree I knew buying the Zeiss could be a big mistake with regards to focusing and i am really good at focusing but still I am getting some misses so yes a concern. I just ordered from Rachael the katz eye screen. BTW she is doing everything to rush this out to me right away. She is a very nice person folks so please look into her website and see if this is what you may need. It's Sunday and she is sending me e-mails and such. Another hard working lady in the business , gotta love her support for the working Pro and her customers.

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Just my own personal observation, but I think the Bokeh at f1.4 is pretty harsh. Overall, I think the Nikkor lens did as well or better than this one...

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Thanks Jack , this is something I need to evaluate as well. That one image bugs me.
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    +1 on Rachel; she is awesome. Trying to play it safe, I had my local well-established photo shop try and install my Katz Eye. Well, they thought they knew what they were doing based on Canon experience and scratched the screen because they couldn't pull up Rachel's online instructions (which are case-sensitive). Being they had the camera open for a long time and potentially mixed up the spacers, I sent it to Rachel. She offered me a "blem" screen for free to offset the shipping and installation expenses, saying I wouldn't be able to spot the flaw. She was right. Months later, when I thought I had dust on the screen, she patiently walked me through diagnosing the problem, staying after hours to do so. She's a gem.

    I think if you follow the Katz Eye instructions carefully, it's no big deal to install the screen.

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Great stuff to here. I sent her a link to this thread for her viewing. I will also report on my thoughts on the effectiveness of the screen.
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    I agree with Jack's comments on the two 85/1.4 lenses. I liked the Nikor better when I had them.

    Can I predict that Guy will end up buying the Nikor back???

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    No you have a better chance of seeing me buy a D3. What's really bad is i have a thousand dollar credit due me at Camera West for a 50 pre asph they don't have yet. Hmmm

    Talk about tempting and even thought of keeping the D300 am I thinking
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Nikon than the Zeiss . Not same subject but looks pretty close
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Here is why it is not bothering me 75 cron and 85 Zeiss. Looks the same
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Here is a shot at 2.8 handheld. My normal sharpening
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    This is the Zeiss 50mm. I moved a little. At F4
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Here is why it is not bothering me 75 cron and 85 Zeiss. Looks the same
    To my EYE
    With regard to the cacti shots:
    The bottom shot has far more BLUE meshed in the green/ & blue overall
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    No worry about sharp images
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    To my EYE
    The bottom shot has far more BLUE in the green
    -helen
    Yes Helen I did not color correct the Nikons here they are cooler than Leica. I should have said in that post i was looking at the Bokeh. My bad
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yes Helen I did not color correct the Nikons here they are cooler than Leica
    Ooops...We're talking Pure Lens /Glass
    Not Color
    SORRY, I deal with color all day in my work so I must be on COLOR OVERDRIVE
    time for a hot toddie & to bed.......

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    LOL yes just seeing what the lens can do . Here is another 85mm at 5.6

    These look very good . Now on the web they look a little over processed . On screen though there killer good. This is about all the lens test i need to keep them.
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    One more 50mm at F4
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    LOL yes just seeing what the lens can do . Here is another 85mm at 5.6

    These look very good . Now on the web they look a little over processed . On screen though there killer good. This is about all the lens test i need to keep them.
    The Nikon images always look over processed. I think they boost edge contrast on the coarse details to make things look sharp. You are not getting the fine detail of the mortar in the brick shot or the grain of the wood in the second shot. Do you have comparable Leica shots of this same spot?

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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Robert I always get this oversharpened look when I run my sharpening on my files than post be it Leica or Nikon. The web does not handle it well. Also i screwed up the first two crops and noticed it when I did the third image . When I went to crop the 100 percent section I had my crop tool set at 17x22 300 dpi from printing the other day , so they blew up big than got reduced. I was too tired to fix that last night. I need to redo it but he third one is correct. I will fix this in a little bit getting everyone out of the house and packing for a flight to Kansas today
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Here Zeiss 85 at 2.8 redoing this one
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Zeiss 85 at F4
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Much better now. There very good lenses no question in my mind
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    Re: Zeiss 85mm 1.4

    Hello all,

    I started a new thread on my initial impressions of the new Proscreen for the D3. I just had a look on his site, and do not see any screens for the D300. I will email him and see what's happening. The new screen is a huge improvement on the standard screen for MF.

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