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    Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware


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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    People are reporting significant improvements during controlled tests in noise control on the D700 f/w v1.02...

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    loaded it and was amazed at the white balance improvement. also the fast focus adjust is great. quite a major improvement for my d3.

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    If you are in the USA you might find this NikonTechUSA link better - also easier to find the Mac & Windows download versions too.

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Thanks, Terry!
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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    All positives so far? That's great! Usually there's a few hiccups.

    I'll download later this afternoon!

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    For D700, the auto white balance is much improved. The images also look 'cleaner' in high ISO. Nikon really did good on this version update.

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean View Post
    The images also look 'cleaner' in high ISO.
    I'd sure like this to be true but it's the first I've seen anything about this firmware release regarding ISO performance. No other forums or Nikon themselves mention an expected high ISO improvement. Can you explain what you're seeing that leads you to this assumption?

    Cheers,

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    I'd sure like this to be true but it's the first I've seen anything about this firmware release regarding ISO performance. No other forums or Nikon themselves mention an expected high ISO improvement. Can you explain what you're seeing that leads you to this assumption?

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    Hi Simon, well not excatly a first, or a single view point . Here's my take posted yesterday on the pictures thread:

    "At a lesser degree but still noticeable, noise is better too at mid-ISO and up. I'm not technically educated enough but it feels just like it's somehow related to the AWB improvement. Can't explain -and i'm very possibly wrong- but it's how it feels when opening the RAW files... great stuff anyhow"

    As said, can't explain. But after playing with a couple of dozen files in the meantime, results are definitely improved.

    (not that they were especially bad in the first place... they just look much more natural, and a simple, straightforward WB correction will bring instant, nicer results from the RAW)

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    I'd sure like this to be true but it's the first I've seen anything about this firmware release regarding ISO performance. No other forums or Nikon themselves mention an expected high ISO improvement. Can you explain what you're seeing that leads you to this assumption?

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    I had similar experience as Corian described in his above post. I have been using the D700 mostly for available light work at middle school functions, plays and concerts. The ISO range that I use the most is from 2500 to 6400. The new files look a bit cleaner with less noticeable noise in the shadow. This is pretty evident to me when viewing the NEF files in Nikon NX2. I also notice about 1/3 EV boost on the NX2 converted JPEG files compared to the camera body generated JPEG files.

    Of course, this could be the result of improvements in auto white balance.

    Kind regards,

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Corlan,

    Thanks for the feedback, I missed that thread. I guess my surprise is that if there was a noticeable improvement, I'm amazed that Nikon wouldn't tout it in the release notes as an integral part of the announcement.

    Personally, I have yet to do the upgrade.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    I've noticed that ISO 12800 is now more usable albeit grainy. 25600 is still a no-go.
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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    No firmware upgrade for my D80? I would like one that makes it perform like the 25MP, 204,800 ISO Nikon D700Xs

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    I see no improvement in high ISO noise characteristics before and after the FW upgrade on my D3.


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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by stenrasmussen View Post
    I see no improvement in high ISO noise characteristics before and after the FW upgrade on my D3.
    Sten, that's interesting and your D3 test's apparently not consistent with our experience with the more plebian D700.

    OTOH, two things:

    1/ D700 FW (at least mine) was 1.00 and is now 1.02. That's possibly a significant difference.

    2/ as said above, the improvement was noted with AWB, i see your test is with WB set on Tugsten. Did you conduct the same test with AWB?

    Having said that, it would not be too odd whether the improvements were more noticeable on the more recent D700 than on the relatively more venerable D3 which had known previous upgrades...

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Similar test on D700 would be interesting. Is it easy to roll back the firmware? I'm not sure if I saved the previous download.
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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by stenrasmussen View Post
    I see no improvement in high ISO noise characteristics before and after the FW upgrade on my D3.
    I can see a very slight improvement in tone & smoothness in the second shot (yellow area more than blue) although it might just be the slight exposure difference or wishful thinking.

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Similar test on D700 would be interesting. Is it easy to roll back the firmware? I'm not sure if I saved the previous download.
    Wanted to try that, did not succeed.
    That doesn't change that the improvement on AWB is so obvious that no such test is required. Noise is another matter, but i'm pretty sure of what i see (knowing that i did not expect anything in this area -or any other btw really- in the first place)



    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I can see a very slight improvement in tone & smoothness in the second shot (yellow area more than blue) although it might just be the slight exposure difference or wishful thinking.
    Looking closer after reading you mesage i do find a slight improvement above, but as said it's maybe just different shots.

    One other thing i hadn't noticed the first time, the tests shots are jpeg from camera -might be different than RAW.

    Finally, it's not in the worst spots that the new FW especially shines. More of a natural feeling overall.

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    I got the raw files as well and will post them asap.
    Also have shots made with AWB too.

    Had a quick look and the same goes for the 12800 and 25600 jpegs...no difference.
    There is a slight difference between the shots using AWB but I associate that with the
    change in colour temp and not with improved noise handling.
    Last edited by stenrasmussen; 14th January 2010 at 13:37.

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    My gut feel is that any high ISO improvement is wishful thinking, I'll reiterate that I'm sure that Nikon would specifically mention it in the release notes as an integral part of the announcement if there was any noticeable improvement. I just can't see a manufacturer giving up an opportunity to crow about their improved performance. They did it with the WB, why would they neglect to mention an improvement in ISO performance?

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    I don't see any improvemnt on my Nikon D3X.
    Everything looks the same before and after.
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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    I tried the new firmware, and was positively surprised at the results. I have not tested for high-ISO performance, only for white balance issues. My find is that my D700 is more successful in getting the colors right. The yellowish tint is all gone.
    I hope to post some examples soon.
    This is a very informative thread. Thanks everyone.
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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Btw, if you shoot using Nikon Camera Control Pro 2 there is a corresponding update available to sync the capabilities of the new firmware to remote control.

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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Here are a few example shots I took after upgrading to firmware 1.0.2.
    D700 and Nikkor 24-70/2.8 with no color correction.
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    Re: Nikon D3x, D3, D700 & D300S new firmware

    Quote Originally Posted by deepdiver View Post
    I don't see any improvemnt on my Nikon D3X.
    Everything looks the same before and after.
    D3x is obviously a newer camera than D700 so perhaps it had better WB to start with.
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