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    Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Last Saturday the weather was lovely. Seyhun (also a DPI member) and I went to the old city and mingled with the crowd. Seyhun's Canon 5D/II fitted with 70-200/4.0 IS seemed conveniently smaller compared to my D700 plus 200/2.0 combo. People close-by stared, even made very funny remarks concerning size and function, which I shall refrain from repeating here

    Apart from a little haze, everything went smoothly. The results are posted on my flickr site, with some samples here. All comments and criticism most welcome.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    This is the second batch, with one more to follow.

    Buying corns


    Detail from the New Mosque (Yenicami)


    Watchin' the ships roll by...


    Well aware of her fine looks


    Going to a soccer match is serious business

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Phew, the last batch!
    Thanks for your patience.

    Believe me, they weren't catching anything


    A grain silo by the seaside


    I was spotted at the last moment


    People trying to catch the train


    Leander Tower

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    Very nice photos, Osman. I was once in Istanbul, sadly not for so long, and I spent a bunch of my time there on the little islands just south of the city proper, but I would like to go back and explore more.

    That 200/2VR has a very nice way of rendering, I must say. Has anyone been able to compare it to the Leica 180/2?
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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Thanks for sharing what a great lens that is. Say what you will about the haze - it really adds depth. Great pics.

    To me, the second to last image stands out above the rest. Composition. balance, light.
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    Osman, IQ is Phenomenal! Great Set My Friend!

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Osman, These are wonderful. It is a fabulous lens and you use it well. I can't imagine using it for "street" myself. I sold mine because it was just too much for me to handle. Kudos to you.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Great photos, Osman, and that lens.... I think I need my medicine

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Carsten, Lars, Steve, Cindy and Jørgen; I'm honored, thank you. I wish I have the energy and the will to use this lens more frequently.
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    P.S. Not the ideal comparison, I know, but I think I shall take Leica M8 with 135/4 this weekend.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Osman,

    Do you ever find that bright sunlight is too bright for shooting wide open with the 200f2?

    I run into that problem with my D700 and 50/1.4 sometimes, have to bring an ND filter if I want to shoot wide open in the middle of the day. 1/8000 at ISO 200 is not short enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Very nice photos, Osman. I was once in Istanbul, sadly not for so long, and I spent a bunch of my time there on the little islands just south of the city proper, but I would like to go back and explore more.

    That 200/2VR has a very nice way of rendering, I must say. Has anyone been able to compare it to the Leica 180/2?
    Carsten,
    I havent compared directly but after selling my DMR and Leica R glass including the 180/2.0 I was very happy when I saw the results from the Nikon 200/2.0VR.
    Its hard to say without direct comparison and using the lenses on very different sensors (DMR vs Nikon) but my overall feeling is:
    -both are very sharp
    -both have a very creamy bokeh
    -maybe eventually the Leica shows slightly more contrast and saturation while the Nikon to render slightly more creamy/dreamy (still very sharp and good contrast)
    I was afraid to be disappointed of the Nikon after having used the Leica but I have to say the Nikon is really great.

    2 things beside optical quality:
    1) specially for the supershallow DOF of such a lens AF is really very usefull, and VR is a nice to have as well; for this reason alone the Nikon is much more usefull to me
    2) sizewise the Leica wins by far, specially with the integrated hood, much less attention one draws




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    And I forgot the most important: Osman-great iamges, I like the one with the fishermen most.

    By the way I recently aquired the 70-200VR and the IQ on the D700 has become very good as well.
    I shot several comparisons between those 2 lenses at f2.8 and surprized how good the 70-200 compares.
    So for those days when the 200/2.0 seems too big its a good alternative to carry that zoom. (I did not find the 70-200VRI to be any close in IQ)

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    And I forgot the most important: Osman-great iamges, I like the one with the fishermen most.

    By the way I recently aquired the 70-200VR and the IQ on the D700 has become very good as well.
    I shot several comparisons between those 2 lenses at f2.8 and surprized how good the 70-200 compares.
    So for those days when the 200/2.0 seems too big its a good alternative to carry that zoom. (I did not find the 70-200VRI to be any close in IQ)
    First some great images...you can see the IQ immediately with the 200/2 .

    Two things to consider

    1. The new 70-200 VR II approaches this image quality and offers the advantages of size and adaptability 70-200 ..which is important when you just can t easily move. The IQ of the previous 70-200 wasn t even close to this. So the gap between "the best" and the VRII is much closer.

    2. For street shooting I find that you can very close . This more about "body language" ....most street shooting can be done at 8-12 ft ..and the images at 20-30ft are often the best and the most difficult.

    This in no way takes away from the excellent collection of photographs as each photographer finds their own way . Like me shooting some tennis with an M8 ..not necessarily the best tool for the situation. This post is meant in the best way to just share a point of view .

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Osman,

    Do you ever find that bright sunlight is too bright for shooting wide open with the 200f2?

    I run into that problem with my D700 and 50/1.4 sometimes, have to bring an ND filter if I want to shoot wide open in the middle of the day. 1/8000 at ISO 200 is not short enough.

    Lars
    Lars, that is indeed a problem situation. While shooting, I frequently wished my D700 had 1/16,000 sec capability, because the 200/2.0 yields excellent results wide open. The only way out was shooting at -2/3 or -1 stop.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Thank you t_streng and Roger.
    t_streng, I wish I had the Leica 180/2. The images are fascinating.
    Roger, I wish I had a way to exchange my older 70-200 with the new version.

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    Some truly impressive images, Osman. That is certainly a very special lens, and I've often regretted selling mine, and your images make me do so yet again.

    I agree with what's been said about the new 70-200 VRII, as does no less an authority than Bjørn Rørslett, who on the Nikonians Forum said he felt that differences between the two were minimal at best. That said, even having the new zoom, I'm still very tempted to get another 200/2.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Thank you Lloyd, the praise belongs to 200/2. I just happened to lift and shoot with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otumay View Post
    Thank you Lloyd, the praise belongs to 200/2. I just happened to lift and shoot with it.
    Really? So if I buy a Stratovarius I can play in the London Philharmonic?

    Give yourself some credit, my friend. You took some really great shots, using a wonderful tool. But you have the eye.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Nikon 200/2 VR was my favorite when I shot Nikon. Hand held it really comes into its own in very low light when mounted to a D700.

    The Kirk hand grip makes it a LOT easier to work with.

    D700 @ ISO 2000 1/160th shutter, 200/2 VR @ f/2

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Really? So if I buy a Stratovarius I can play in the London Philharmonic?

    Give yourself some credit, my friend. You took some really great shots, using a wonderful tool. But you have the eye.
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    Osman: I missed this thread. Very nice work. That's an excellent lens in your hands. The fishing poles in motion is a great capture. It is lighter then the 200-400mm! Thanks for posting. Cheers, Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Really? So if I buy a Stratovarius I can play in the London Philharmonic?
    Possibly I happen to play the piano and the music sucks if the instrument is bad.

    As for taking credit, thank you.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Fotografz (your post is very good, btw), Lars and Matt; thank you so much. This is great motivation for me and I appreciate it.
    Osman

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    Quote Originally Posted by otumay View Post
    Possibly I happen to play the piano and the music sucks if the instrument is bad.
    Well, you perhaps, but I don't know a fiddle from a firecracker, so I don't think the instrument would mean much in my hands.

    Give yourself some credit, my friend. You took some really great shots, using a wonderful tool. But you have the eye.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Nikon 200/2 VR was my favorite when I shot Nikon. Hand held it really comes into its own in very low light when mounted to a D700.

    The Kirk hand grip makes it a LOT easier to work with.

    D700 @ ISO 2000 1/160th shutter, 200/2 VR @ f/2
    Hm....

    great shot!

    But another reason not to stay with Sony

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    Great stuff Osman.

    In my eyes it's -again- even better than the 200-400, but of course it's also a different purpose lens for most people.

    Love the people trying to catch up from one transportation to another. I always felt that there's a considerable case of sociological poetry in observing people in this exercise. Be it from embracing the flow or watching from a distance.

    Another good watching-the-travelling-crowd example here is your "watching the ships roll by" photo above. IQ is terrific (which stabds for practically every shot here), maybe it'd deserve a 3x4 crop -would make a super nice print

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Really? So if I buy a Stratovarius I can play in the London Philharmonic?
    Do you imply that getting a film M with a 50mm wouldn't make me the new HCB?

    Last illusions, gone...

    Ok, i'll stick my limited Nikon gear, then.

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    Thank you Corlan. As for the caption, "watching the ships roll by", I was thinking of one of my idols, Otis Redding.

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    Stunning photos...What a great lens.

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    Aprillove20, thank you.

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    Phew, the last batch!
    Thanks for your patience.

    Believe me, they weren't catching anything
    Osman; A superb set. A lovely walk thru beautiful Istanbul. This one is outstanding.

    Well done.

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    Thank you rayyan!

    I owe you a thousand praises btw, not only for your images, but for the inspiring texts accompanying them as well. Transcending equipment to be one with one's soul; that's where I would love to be.

    Best regards,

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    Osman

    Can't really add much to what all the others have stated already but the comments are all spot on. Great lens and very nice use of it on your part. Very well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by otumay View Post
    Transcending equipment to be one with one's soul; that's where I would love to be.

    Best regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    My friend, your humility may prevent you from seeing or acknowledging it, but your work clearly demonstrates that you are there.

    Osman: Lloyd said it.

    Take care.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Routlaw, Lloyd and Rayyan; thank you heartily for your elevating remarks and motivation.

    Lloyd, your words are prophetic. I had a mind numbing experience these last two weeks in Asklepion, near Pergamon, Western Turkey. Forgot my camera altogether while shooting. Unfortunately my M8 images were lost due to camera error (see my thread 'M8 user in distress' in the Leica section), but the pull of the place was so strong that I had to go there again, this time with D700 and DP1. I shall process those images when I come out of my laziness and stupor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otumay View Post
    Routlaw, Lloyd and Rayyan; thank you heartily for your elevating remarks and motivation.

    Lloyd, your words are prophetic. I had a mind numbing experience these last two weeks in Asklepion, near Pergamon, Western Turkey. Forgot my camera altogether while shooting. Unfortunately my M8 images were lost due to camera error (see my thread 'M8 user in distress' in the Leica section), but the pull of the place was so strong that I had to go there again, this time with D700 and DP1. I shall process those images when I come out of my laziness and stupor.

    Best,
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    Very much looking forward to the results.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Am thinking of getting one, since the VR II version is out. Just curious, how to you carry the lens? Trying to find a bag and a strap (Thinktankphoto Glass Taxi). I'm trying to find out whether the Blackrapid strap will work with the RRS quick release clamp as I use arca swiss feet for my lenses.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Good question, Hacker. I attach my 50/1.4 to D700 and carry the 200/2.0 in a backpack on the way, not to attract too much attention. When I get to the shooting area, all Hell breaks loose!
    And, I lie on e reclining chair at night, trying not to pay attention to the pains in my back and arms

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    If you don't keep your 200/2 in a backpack, the Nikon case is pretty usable too.

    Osman, you have my respect for wandering around in an urban environment with the 200/2 - heck I used to feel a little self conscious using it even when shooting wildlife!

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Graham, thank you. Actually I am a very timid person, but coming closer to being a senior citizen, I discovered that one is forgiven for his/her eccentricities. I sometimes do get praises which are not completely flattering, like, "Whoa! Look at that old gun, fit as a fiddle!" - "Yees, a very old fiddle (chuckle chuckle)"...

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    So you are timid!
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    Nice photos Osman, I have the much older version of the 200mm the f/4 which I use with the D700, oddly I find it light and fun when walking around, since I usually use my 300mm which weighs 2 kilos. I photograph pieces of buildings, not people, but I find the longer lens gives me what I like. But the 200mm is a sweetheart of lens, isn't it? Joe

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    s.agar: I thought you knew

    Joe: 200/2.0 with its larger sibling, 200-400/4.0 are probably two of Nikon's best lenses imho.

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    Re: Nikkor 200/2.0 handheld

    Quote Originally Posted by otumay View Post
    Joe: 200/2.0 with its larger sibling, 200-400/4.0 are probably two of Nikon's best lenses imho.
    Absolutely agree on that.

    I just sold my 200/2 VR to raise funds for another item but I absolutely loved this lens. I'm sure I'll get another at some point. I've had my 200-400/4 VR for several years now and it's also a stunning lens that you'd have to prise from my cold dead hands. As Ferris Bueller put it, "If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up!"

    The other ... 600/4 VR. Another absolutely stunning lens. Flawless in my experience, with the possible exception of being a beast to carry and travel with.

    Quote Originally Posted by otumay View Post
    Phew, the last batch!
    Thanks for your patience.

    Believe me, they weren't catching anything

    If that's where I think it is then they could just drop the lines down on to the restaurant tables below and snatch something pre-cooked.

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