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    Nikon G9 Competitor

    This may be old hat for some, but looks like Nikon has got the whips to the backs of the engineers:

    http://luminous-landscape.com/whatsnew/

    Was tempted by the G9, but a Nikon equivalent that shoots NEF could be an interesting walk-around.

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    I wish Nikon had an underwater P&S like the olympus SW series.
    I will check this out when it's out tho

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Looks very cool. Here's some info I stole from another forum:



    If image quality is at least as good as on the P5100, and with the improved specs, I'll certainly get one.

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    Based on my sketchy high-school French (actually Canadian version thereof), the specs look attractive.

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    It is interesting that yesterday Thom Hogan had comments on his site about the camera and then took them down.

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    It is interesting that yesterday Thom Hogan had comments on his site about the camera and then took them down.
    Not so strange. This probably hurts the sales of P5100 during the summer season, which I believe is important for this category of camera.

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    If it's not too noisy (G9 level) and has the ability to set hyperfocal then I'm buying it no question, that wider lens is the decider.
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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Nikon is on a roll! Sheesh, i have to admit, it makes me happy to see them make one hit after another. Now if I could just hit the Lotto!

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    Ben,will you still consider the gx200 or are there reasons to put the canon and nikon above it? thanks,Neil.

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    What will be interesting is if they release a rumored DRF.

    I've been semi-seriously considering moving to a DRF as I find my 1Ds2 sits at home too often, but as much as I like what the M8 can deliver, the possibility of using a lower-priced DRF with easier access to service if needed and a faster turnaround time for same (vs. Leica) -- with the ability to put the 'saved' funds into M-mount glass has a lot of appeal vs. an M8 option at the moment.

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    Ben,will you still consider the gx200 or are there reasons to put the canon and nikon above it? thanks,Neil.
    I don't care much for the 13+ Mp (noise!), but the 28-112 mm zoom sounds very interesting vs the Ricoh, plus VR, plus it shoots RAW, plus I can use NX with it as with my D series cameras; all will hang on performance for me, if it's fast enough for street shooting then I think Nikon has a definite hit (or, at least, I think I might get one)
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    I think its a good time to be looking for a new camera,looks as if there might be a choice of several on the run up to photokina, Neil

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    I think its a good time to be looking for a new camera,looks as if there might be a choice of several on the run up to photokina, Neil
    Yes because we haven't heard from Leica on a possible CL or CM and/or Panny/Leica on a d-lux3/lx2 update or new compact offering.

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    Nikon ain't perfect by a long shot, but I'll give them credit for getting their act together in a big way. Industry was long overdue for a good stir.

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Sheesh. 13mp on a sensor that size!
    Look at dpreview's interesting new pixel density figure:
    this camera will be 36 whereas the D3 is only 1.4, and even the Olympus E420 is only 4.

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Sheesh. 13mp on a sensor that size!
    Look at dpreview's interesting new pixel density figure:
    this camera will be 36 whereas the D3 is only 1.4, and even the Olympus E420 is only 4.
    I know! I started looking around the database at the different cameras and some of the numbers were appalling.

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I know! I started looking around the database at the different cameras and some of the numbers were appalling.
    In 10 years' time, a pixel density of 34 will probably be considered low-tech. I can imagine the 200MP p&s: just take one photo at any party, and crop out the motives you want

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I know! I started looking around the database at the different cameras and some of the numbers were appalling.
    Yeah, that's more or less why I'm still clinging to my old Fujifilm F30 (pixel density 14 MP/cm^2, compared with 26 for Canon G7) for my pocket digicam. Only 6 MP, but 6 very, very low-noise MP for a digicam.

    Still no DSLR, but it does fit in my purse...

    Adding pixel density to DPReview's reviews is great. Very useful.

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    It all depends upon to what usage Nikon puts those 13 mpx. If they can actually deliver ISO 6400 there might be more high-tech wizardry involved here than the specs are telling us.
    But assuming good IQ, the decisive property (for me) will be speed. Both focusing and read speed for the RAW files, until recently a weak point of these cameras. Certainly worth watching.

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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Neil, I downloaded the sample Ricoh RAW files and was horrified at the noise and smearing at iso 80. Not a chance in hell. I'm also hoping that the Nikon has as good auto iso as in their DSLR's which is likely.
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    http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/r...s-fotos,1_4388
    Ben,scroll down the page a way to the raw images,painterly to say the least .The one of the pushbike is a real masterpiece.Neil.
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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Hvaring View Post
    It all depends upon to what usage Nikon puts those 13 mpx. If they can actually deliver ISO 6400 there might be more high-tech wizardry involved here than the specs are telling us.
    But assuming good IQ, the decisive property (for me) will be speed. Both focusing and read speed for the RAW files, until recently a weak point of these cameras. Certainly worth watching.
    Hi Arne
    It's nice to see someone else who is an optimist. However, the idea that with the current technology they are suddenly going to produce a decent 6400 ISO shot . .. when the 12mp previous version couldn't even manage 400 ISO without too much noise . . seems a bit too optimistic, even for me.

    There is nothing about this sensor to suggest that it'll be any better than the previous ones - or, indeed, any better than the Ricoh.

    I'm afraid that the truth is that high MP sells these cameras, and not good image quality, the people who buy them will almost certainly never read a review in anything more sophisticated than 'what camera' magazine.

    The Sigma was a good try, but clearly the problems in getting that size sensor into a camera was too much.

    I'm sure it would be possible and sensible to use 2/3 sensors in cameras like this - it would provide decent image quality and pretty high resolution with good noise characteristics. Fuji have just put one of these sensors into their S100fs (which is a huge bridge camera) - lets hope they will put one in a sophisticated compact compact soon.

    Until then, I've learned my lesson, I'm not going to buy another compact camera with a tiny sensor in the vain hope that there will be some kind of processing miracle (my GX100 is, at least, nice to use).

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    link doesn't work Neil, can you help me?
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    Oh, I think ISO 6400 is an illusion of the marketing dep., no doubt in order to sell cameras, but still, with a company with Nikon's reputation, it will be interesting to see what they actually come up with. FWIW the French magazine (Europe's largest photographic magazine according to themselves) Chasseur d'Images has for more than a year been pointing out that the more pixels on a given site, the better one can reduce noise in the final image. The reason being the added information a higher pixel count provides to the demosaicking algorithm.

    Basically I think that with the small sensor P&S one should try to supply the sensor with as much light as possible to increase IQ. But when was the last time we saw a new P&S announced with a f1,4 or f2,0 lens? The early G-series from Canon had this kind of optics, but I suppose the demand for ever greater zoom ranges, smaller size and not-too-expensive cameras put an end to that.

    I'm shooting with a GR II, but I would gladly pay for a f1,4 or even 1,2 lens on that camera if only Ricoh would make one.

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    http://images.quesabesde.com/camaras...0_r0010066.jpg
    Ben try this,it goes to the raw bike image I mentioned.Maybe I expect too much but there appears to be no reality here at all,hope this works,all the best,Neil.

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    What iso is that? did you notice the jaggies? horrific.
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    I would love to see the rumored Nikon DRF become a reality. If it uses M-mount and has a D300 sensor (or better) then it would rock! If it is less than an M8 it would truly rock!
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    Re: Nikon G9 Competitor

    Hasn't it been rumoured for rather a long time? The sensor would have to be redesigned to cope with the closeness of the lens elements, etc. I don't think they should bother, the market for rangefinders is very niche from a marketing point of view, the big market, the huge market ready to be exploited is the pro p&s, the DP1 should have hit a home run but didn't, there's a lot of room for the big boys to make a killing from that market. Can't believe they haven't already done it, they're selling a whole heck of a lot of DSLR's and most of those shooters would spend money on a big chip p&s with the features of a G9, GX100, etc, etc.
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