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    Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Sorry no tripod with brick walls just handheld at lunch. Tried to simulate the 50mm nasty bokeh thread for the first bunch.....resize only. If anyone wants the NEFs just let me know and we can test out the new MobileMe.....

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Next up f16 full shot and corner crops...I know you will say diffraction...just wanted to make sure all was in focus. Again no PP and NEF is available

    OK something weird going on with Lightroom2 or the upload to the forum. The crop of the bottom right should be smaller than the others and no matter what I do they are all importing at the same size....I will consult our fearless leaders but I think this still tells a good story as the corners look pretty good to me....

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Just a basic f8 I didn't use this for the corners because of the bottom left would be deceptive....


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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Terry give me the top right one on the one above. For the money damn thing looks great
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Guy - this time I'm uploading through the gallery and we can see if it comes in any differently....remember I have done nothing (local contrast or sharpening) to this


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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    OK,
    Last three from dinner tonight venturing into the higher ISO's

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Looking good Terry . Nice detail in those corners
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Oh, by the way...I'm on my first battery charge. 596 shots, lots of going through menus and getting my settings together, lots of reviewing shots, of course I've chimped a few all over the 4 days I've had the camera....28% of charge remains. Doesn't seem like the additional processing, buffering etc. (over the D300 which uses same battery) has any impact on battery use.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    One pic from me
    D3 + ulton


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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Wow, Terry, that was quick! Results are indeed looking good. Sharpness seems to hold up well into the corners, contrast at f16 still good, bokeh inoffensive, no flare to speak of. And the D700 does it's magic in low light. I take it you are happy with the lens and lens/body combo
    Again, many thanks for your efforts (so far!), I'm sure they'll be of great interest to other members as well.
    Andree, I've seen you've posted several excellent images taken with this lens, perhaps you have some further thoughts after having used it extensively.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Hi Arne

    First of all, i want to tell u that, I'm not a good lens reviewer, I just love photography and taking a lot of pictures
    After using this lens for a while on Nikon D50 and D3. All i can say that, the bokeh from this lens is very nice... i like it
    last sunday I went to a shopping mall and i've brought this combo with me.
    here are the results (Exif attach)
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Excellent Terry
    You should get sponsorship!
    I don't see how anyone can resist - Guy, seems to me to be good at any price.
    Andree - lovely shots - I quite agree with you - reviewing lenses is a difficult and troubling task - which makes me all the more grateful to Terry.

    So, having got the 58, does one need the 40 as well . . . . I think one probably does.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Excellent Terry
    You should get sponsorship!
    I don't see how anyone can resist - Guy, seems to me to be good at any price.
    Andree - lovely shots - I quite agree with you - reviewing lenses is a difficult and troubling task - which makes me all the more grateful to Terry.

    So, having got the 58, does one need the 40 as well . . . . I think one probably does.
    I know in theory it is close to the 58 but when looking through the viewfinder, it seems like a much bigger difference.
    The nicest part of this little test was Lightroom2 just reading the NEF's!

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Thanks Terry (and Andree). CA also looks well controlled (test implied it might be an issue).

    Jono: Go for it. Small, light, 18mm shorter, aspherical, good (better?) bokeh, great color, sharp - AND a 'close up lens' for just under $400. My bigger question is 28/2 (ZF) vs 40/2 - think may start with the Ultron -- the $600 saved buys a lot of foot zooming.
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Wow, this little lens looks great to me! A super combo with the D700 in low light, that's for sure. Thanks for the "torture test" Terry. I'm wondering how this would do on the little Pentax K200D vs their own 40mm...
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Terry, is that the Ultron 40/2 from Stephen Gandy? Corners look sharp to me, for sure.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Terry, is that the Ultron 40/2 from Stephen Gandy? Corners look sharp to me, for sure.
    Yes Kit,
    This is the one. I actually only bought the 58 from Stephen. I really liked using it and the next day, I met up with Guy at Photo Village in NY and couldn't resist the 40 and wanted instant gratification.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Terry, you're Terryble.
    It's ordered - should be with me by tomorrow lunchtime.
    OTOH maybe you've saved me from the expense of the Zeiss 50 macro.

    I know have 3 little lenses for the D700:

    25mm ZF
    40mm ultron
    58mm nokton

    I wouldn't exactly call it 'travelling light' in the leica sense of the word, but they should be fun to use at the Cambridge folk festival this weekend.

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    Just ordered the 180 CV from SG, agh. Can see another order coming shortly. May give PhotoVillage a try - see what their customer service is like.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Just ordered the 180 CV from SG, agh. Can see another order coming shortly. May give PhotoVillage a try - see what their customer service is like.
    You may end up with the 40 from SG as well. I don't think Photo Village was sitting on a pile of these lenses. They only had two of one of them but I can't remember if it was the 40 or 58. If the 40 then there is one left at best!

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    The CV 40 looks terrific. Thanks for these Terry!

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Incidentally, my dealer (who has exclusive UK rights, and sells a lot of Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses) thought that there would be a bunch of new chipped SLII lenses in the autumn.

    Exciting news!

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    I asked that question well but didn't get an answer. I am now holding tight on lenses until we hear about the new fall line ups from Nikon, Voigtlander and others.

    I will say even though I like the 24-70, the two addition stops of the 58mm are useful even with absurdly high ISO capability!

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    That's the problem finding yourself there with Guy; some weird mojo thing: you see, and and you buy.

    Funny thing is, the effect seems to work at a distance, too....

    40mm is a true walk-around length, IMHO, and the sneaker zoom technique really works with it (better than with either a 35 or a 50). I will order one today, while I wait for my D700. Cheers, KL

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Thought I'd toss in a few from my lowly D300

    First up: a bokeh test with my two favorite subjects


    Focal plane depth test (wide open and focused on the balloons)


    Testing quick focusing without any aids (don't own a KatzEye screen)


    B&W performance (conversion via SilverEfex Pro)


    All shots ISO 200 and wide open.
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Mine arrived today
    I just nipped out for half an hour to see if it worked - seems fine - sharp to the corners, decent colour and contrast:





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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    [QUOTE=jonoslack;42601]Mine arrived today
    I just nipped out for half an hour to see if it worked - seems fine - sharp to the corners, decent colour and contrast:

    I'm trying to figure out on a scale of 1 (sell the lens now) 10 (this will be the last lens to leave my bag if I have to sell things) where decent color and contrast falls.

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    Its a nice lens, especially considering the price.Closeup addon is nice to.

    I Probebly would have kept mine if i didnt have the ZF 35/2.

    Nice scenery Jono

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    I just posted a review of this lens on my blog.
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Quote Originally Posted by etrigan63 View Post
    I just posted a review of this lens on my blog.
    HI Carlos
    Excellent stuff . . . Is Cosina REALLY the parent company for Carl Zeiss? I know they make most of the Zeiss 35mm lenses, but I thought that Zeiss was a big separate company still?. (I am, unfortunately, often wrong)

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    Hi All...

    I believe Cosina is not the parent company of Zeiss. It is a long history, but Carl Zeiss AG is wholly owned by The Carl Zeiss Foundation, and grown from what was Carl Zeiss Oberkochen.

    Full history here:

    Carl Zeiss AG Company History

    and here:

    Overview descriptions of the different Zeiss Companies at www.zeisshistorica.org

    Cosina manufactured all of the Carl Zeiss SLR Lens line for Carl Zeiss AG, and also IIRC the FM2, and more recently FM3 bodies for Nikon.

    And of course, Cosina currently owned the Voigtlander brand.

    BTW, my first post here. Thank you for all your great postings and images. I learn enormously from you all.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    This has caused a LOT of CAUSTIC debate on another forum, but (as a number of reviewers have also mentioned : Bjorn, IR, PZ, SLRLR), the mechanics/form factor of the ZF line share a LOT of commonality with those of the CV SL line.

    It appears as if while the optics are designed by Zeiss (or at least approved by them), the mechanical design of the Z_ lenses are at LEAST a collaborative effort between Cosina and Zeiss. Perfect sense from a manufacturing and cost/margin-saving perspective.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Hi Bram
    Welcome - it's a good forum, and thank you for your excellent information (I was much too lazy to do any proper research). I didn't realise that Cosina had made the FM2 and 3 - all rather ironic considering the dreadful consumer zooms they were known for under their own name!

    Hi Rob
    Certainly, it would be surprising if there wasn't some cross-over. It's a pity that the ZF lenses aren't chipped like the SLII CV lenses.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Carlos
    Excellent stuff . . . Is Cosina REALLY the parent company for Carl Zeiss? I know they make most of the Zeiss 35mm lenses, but I thought that Zeiss was a big separate company still?. (I am, unfortunately, often wrong)
    Zeiss is a large, separate company. They design and manufacture a wide range of optics from microscopes (my research lab has some Zeiss microscopes) to military optics. They lead the industry in lenses for semiconductor manufacture as well as cinematography.

    As far as exactly what is Zeiss' role and what is Cosina's, I don't very much care. Both companies have made some outstanding optics, and I'd be happy to own either brand so long as the lens does what I need. I tend to think that the premium Zeiss charges is associated with a decreased likelihood of copy variability, but I'm guessing that it is impossible to completely eliminate bad copies without charging Leica prices.
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Could be made by three-eared elves, as long as it performs as promised.

    Jono - chipped would be nice. Maybe the next gen.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    I can't figure out who sent me the link but this is from a review of the 40

    In a world of plastic zoom lenses it is fun to check out high quality fix-focal length lenses every once in a while and the Voigtlander Ultron 40mm f/2 SL II is one representative of the species. It almost seemed as if Cosina, the manufacturer of Voigtlander lenses, abandoned the SLR lens market in favor of the Zeiss Z-series which are manufactured in the same factory. However, Mr. Kobayashi, the president of Cosina, obviously felt that old itch again to rival the big boyz by releasing a couple of lenses of his own.

    Here is the link....

    http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikko...w--test-report

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Well I can go back and correct my gaffe. That's the beauty of a web publication.
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Mr. K is apparently a big Zeiss-ophile (word?)

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Well, everyones samples and comments ( so far) on the 40 mm seem fine. I hope that this indicates small sample variation (the curse of the lens buyer). The rather simple 6-element formula would also indicate this in contrast to the rather complex and elaborate Zeiss designs. While I have no doubt that these (Zeiss) lenses perform great if you get a good copy, my (and others) experience have been rather mixed in this respect. A simpler design that actually works as it should seems a good alternative. Besides the focal length on FF is perfect for a walk-around lens.
    I'll order this lens when I get back from my holidays. Many thanks for the interesting posts and comments.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    I have to agree with you Arne. By using simpler designs that perform very well, CV manages to produce rather spectacular lenses for the price. There has been a bit of sample variation in the past to be sure, but Mr. Kobayashi is keen to improve his factories' ability to produce consistent high quality products and the collaboration with Zeiss has served them well in this respect.

    One thing that CV does is take their proven designs and update them on a fairly regular basis. They just announced that their 28mm f/2 LTM lens has been reissued in M-mount. This is exciting news for Leica M8 owners as they need good alternative lenses to expensive Zeiss and astronomical Leica glass.

    You can read about it here.
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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Quote Originally Posted by etrigan63 View Post
    Well I can go back and correct my gaffe. That's the beauty of a web publication.
    Hardly a Gaffe, more a mistake and you're right - so easy to change!

    Thanks for the heads up on the ultron.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Carlos, thanks for the info re improved 2/28 mm, I hadn't seen this. It so happens that I'm looking for a fast M-28mm to replace my old Hexanon. We'll see how this one turns out. Have been reluctant to spend $$$ on a new Summicron since I don't use the M8 so much these days.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Agree. My miniscule CV 180/4 APO was just delivered and, SO FAR looks like a good deal for twice the (elevated) $450 paid.

    If my (enroute) CV 90/3.5 APO ($390 w/hood) is anything like it's big brother, they'll both have a permanent home. Mechanically it/they're not perfect, but for sharp smooth focusing APO performance for $400ish, I'll happily be a little liberal with my desire for 'perfection' (spoken by someone perfectly happy to bolt a Leica 180/2 APO on a 1Ds2...). Man, was that a lens...

    [QUOTE=etrigan63;42740]I have to agree with you Arne. By using simpler designs that perform very well, CV manages to produce rather spectacular lenses for the price.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Request for more 40mm Ultron photos please! Also, if anyone has a photo of the lens mounted on the D700, that would be great.

    I'm still trying to decide on this lens. I know it's not that expensive, but I'd like to hold off on lens accumulation if I can help it .

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    I think I remember saying that once (or five times..)

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    ....but I'd like to hold off on lens accumulation if I can help it .

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Amin - are a couple more from the same shoot - these are unsharpened....I'm playing with my sharpening and next post I did output sharpening high in Lightroom and want to see how they look for the web.

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    Playing with Lightroom output sharpening "for screen" - high. I'm curious to see how similar/different they look coming through the forum software.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Finally,
    I can't take a shot of camera and lens right now but I did measure the 40mm on the camera. Lens sticks out just about an inch further than then hand grip less than an inch further than the viewfinder/pop-up flash. When I hold the camera my knuckles on the grip stick out as far or slightly further than the lens.

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Like this:
    Carlos Echenique | Carlos Echenique Photography |Olympus OM-D E-M1 MK II | Olympus Pen-F - M.Zuiko 17mm f/1.8, M.Zuiko 25mm f/1.8, M.Zuiko 45mm f/1.8, Rokinon 12mm f/2 NCS, M.Zuiko 75mm f/1.8, M.Zuiko 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO, M.Zuiko 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO

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    Re: Trying to torture the 40mm Ultron (pancake)

    Hard to beat the above as a walk-around package. Can't be much larger than an M8+glass (assuming you drop the grip from the D300).

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