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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yes been looking at the Nikon 1.8 too and just not sure on it yet. Little new right now, like to hear on the D800 first on it. I think the Sigma is a safe bet right out of the gate ready to shoot though, reason I figured I can't go wrong. I still have my Sony to cover me until the D800 but it will be sell Sony get Nikon lenses as soon as the D800 is in hand.
    I don't know Guy, for me the Sigma 150 f/2.8 was just a regular lens, maybe bordering a bit dull too. Nothing special about, does what it describes sort of lens. I returned it and left it as that. I bought into the Nikon 105VR instead and preferred it even though less reach. I'm just adding another opinion to the mix.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Yea I need about 200mm for the runway stuff. I could always rent too the 70-200 or just suck it up and buy it. I just hate long zooms.
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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea I need about 200mm for the runway stuff. I could always rent too the 70-200 or just suck it up and buy it. I just hate long zooms.
    Well they usually distort less than short zooms.
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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Short zooms are for event work which is like people having cocktail hour usually around 28 or 35 mm lenses. The long zoom is for runway . Totally different shooting venues. I do many types of shooting so certain lenses are used for certain things. Fashion 85-110 range usually fast lenses and than there is the very wides for corporate interiors and equipment stuff. Of course some blend into each other but basically I hate zooms with a passion. Some love them, myself I always in 35mm liked primes and usually it was like 24, 35, 85, 200 or 135. Than extra lenses like a 21mm and a macro in the mix. This time around trying to cut the numbers both in cost and amount of glass. I may have no choice in the matter , see what happens when the Nikon comes in and how much i can throw at this. Frankly i would rather take my tech cam and ride into the sunset. I'm dead serious after 36 years of this I want to get out of this area and concentrate on other photography altogether. Commercially I want to get into Architecture in the worst way more than I have in the past . Just like to change gears here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    I don't know Guy, for me the Sigma 150 f/2.8 was just a regular lens, maybe bordering a bit dull too. Nothing special about, does what it describes sort of lens. I returned it and left it as that. I bought into the Nikon 105VR instead and preferred it even though less reach. I'm just adding another opinion to the mix.

    If you buy it and like it then keep it, otherwise return, either way is cool with return policies today!
    I can certainly see and identify with Pophoto, and where he is coming from. In one sense the Sigma 150mm f2.8 doesn't have the utmost in clarity as some of the nano coated Nikon single focal length lenses and zooms have. In that sense the 105 f2.8 VR G lens and the 70-200 f2.8II have more dynamic images. Heck, the 200 f2 VR superceeds them all .

    What the Sigma 150 f2.8 does have is a very good image, fairly light and well balanced for a lens with it's longer focal length, decent focusing speed, combined with superb performance in the macro range (which I realize Guy won't be using it in this range). In a pinch, it can do well with Sigma's 1.4x (and I'm generally not a fan of teleconverters).

    I think one of the reasons people have mentioned this len's good performance is they are comparing it to Nikon's 180 f2.8 which is highly thought of. I found with multiple samples of each, that the Sigma easily outperformed the Nikon 180 and has both the advantage of using it as a superb close focusing lens as well as the ability to extend it's reach in a pinch. With that said, the Nikon 180 also doesn't have the acuity or clarity of the nano coated lenses.

    Bottom line is which lens is the Sigma 150mm being compared to and how it will be used, which will determine how much one favors it over other lenses or visa versa.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    D&A: You have it spot on!

    Guy: I certainly recommend the following for you: 24 prime or 14-24.
    85 prime, 200 prime and call it a day :P

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Thats what I would like but a 200mm prime is a little out there. Seriously I could rent that 3 or 4 times a year too. The 180mm would be perfect just not sure how it would hold up but for its use its only a 11x14 max print too. But yes what I want is the 14-24,35, 85 and 200 ish. I may just have to suck it up. I just did my taxes and life looks a little brighter. LOL
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    Funny thing about that 200 prime (the 200 f2 VR and VRII lenses), is that those that purchase and use it (including myself), marvel at it's brilliance and image making capacity at the highest levels. At first glance it seems compact enough (save for the hood that gives the impression of a larger lens)...but after some time, a large percentage of these individuals eventually sell the lens. The reason being is simply the physical "mass" of the lens is deceiving and although hand held shots are possible, the sheer weight of lugging it around and hand holding waiting for an expected shot, gets tiresome after a time. This has happened even to those who are used to carrying heavy lenses. The mass of this lens is dense. So if its going to be held for long periods of time in this manor, use some of the guidance of previous owners and think before you leap in purchasing one.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Dave, I agree with that regarding the 200 f/2. It is a fantastic lens but it gets heavy to lug and shoot with most of the time. Mine did not get much use, but when it did this lens gave beautiful images.

    As far as the D800 kit, my choices would be the 14-24, 24G, 85G, and Zeiss MP for macro. The 70-200 VRII is also good to fill the telephoto range. With this kit you pretty much have enough coverage.

    It's an exciting time to be shooting Nikon, let's hope the D800 gets here soon....

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Quote Originally Posted by onaujee View Post
    Dave, I agree with that regarding the 200 f/2. It is a fantastic lens but it gets heavy to lug and shoot with most of the time. Mine did not get much use, but when it did this lens gave beautiful images.

    As far as the D800 kit, my choices would be the 14-24, 24G, 85G, and Zeiss MP for macro. The 70-200 VRII is also good to fill the telephoto range. With this kit you pretty much have enough coverage.

    It's an exciting time to be shooting Nikon, let's hope the D800 gets here soon....
    I agree on this lens selection, with the exception of the 14-12, I would rather prefer the 16-35 VR, simply because it is much lighter and equally sharp as the 14-24. Also WRT the Macro, I never have found that the Zeiss lenses are better (sharper) than their Nikon counterparts, so I would rather choose the Nikkor 105VR.

    And yes, very exciting times to shoot Nikon.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    I've decided on a very close version of the previous choices as well. The 24G is too wide for the work I would do with a fast wide prime, so I am thinking

    14-24, 35/1.4, 85G/1.8, and 70-200 VRII.

    Is the nikon 35 not worthy? I've used the canon version and find a fast 35 a very useful prime. I'm just kind of surprised by so many people choosing the 24/1.4, which seems a specialized lens.

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    I share Guy's preference for primes, it seems that quite a few of us prefer primes. I still mostly use my old Nikkors from 35 years ago. My lenses of choice are a 300mm, a 200mm f/4 (lighter and with the ISO capacity of the current d700, fast enough) 105mm, 55mm micro, and for wide I am using a 28mm which is sharpest at f/8. However I would be interested in the 24mm iterations as they seem to be as sharp as my other lenses. When the dust settles in the next six months I will also get a d800(uncertain if I want the d800 or the E, I suspect the E) But I foresee that camera being strictly a tripod mounted camera. Since I already do a lot of tripod work for me lack of VR in the times that I handhold things is never an issue. I either use flash or ridiculously high ISO's on the d700 (got to love that capability) I can see why for a lot of working guys the two cameras would just about cover most any situation.
    I am looking forward to taking the new camera out for a test spin and see what I can wring out of it. I would love to have a camera out-resolve my lenses, I have never had that experience in 50 years of 8x10,4x5, 2 1/4 or 35mm work have I ever had a camera/film or now digital out resolve any lens as long as I used the optimal f/stop. Equally I have never had a lens that was optimally sharp at every f/stop. It is funny, as long as I can remember this one subject has been periodically the hot topic. Every time I get a new camera, the first thing I want to see is just how sharp is it really? It has to be genetic predisposition, those who become photographers need to smell the print and now pixel peep. ( And I am guilty, guilty, guilty.)
    As an aside, my wife whispered to me in the dark one night recently, why don't you buy the new camera?
    You might be surprised what kind of an effect that can have.
    Though I wonder if it might work the same in reverse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsf View Post
    I am looking forward to taking the new camera out for a test spin and see what I can wring out of it. I would love to have a camera out-resolve my lenses, I have never had that experience in 50 years of 8x10,4x5, 2 1/4 or 35mm work have I ever had a camera/film or now digital out resolve any lens as long as I used the optimal f/stop.
    If any of your lenses look sharper than another then the sensor is out resolving
    the less sharp lens.

    The real issue with the D800 will be color depth and tonal depth.
    Sample images published so far are not that promising...
    There is more to an image than straight resolution.... well unkess it's a photo of microfilm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredBGG View Post
    If any of your lenses look sharper than another then the sensor is out resolving
    the less sharp lens.
    Well, sharpness is a factor of MTF at specific frequencies, and MTF does not get translated by a system as a simple chain with a weakest link. All the degradations compound each other. The final MTF is determined by multiplying the curves of the parts of the system.

    In other words, a sharper lens will make your pictures sharper, as will a sharper sensor. Within limits, of course. Sensors have a hard cutoff and a more squared off curve than film.

    Another issue is that lens performance varies enormously from one aperture to another and from one part of the field to another. A lens may indeed outperform a sensor on axis at f5.6, but come nowhere near doing so in the corners, or anywhere in the frame at f3.5. This is a typical case where in a meaninful way a lens does and does not outresolve the sensor.

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    The lens I am most looking forward to mating with the D800e is the Zeiss 50/2 makro-planar. I absolutely love this lens, it rivals the leica 50/1.4 asph in my opinion. The flexibility of having this normal lens do macro while being light enough to carry all day has me drooling! best....Peter

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    If I would use the D800 as my main camera, I would use a lot:
    #1 50/1.4G
    #2 105/2.0DC (or 85/1.4G)
    #3 24/1.4G
    #4 70-200VRII (or maybe the 180/2.8...if it performs ok on the D800 which is maybe not the case)

    I also own the 24-70 zoom but from using the S2 over the last year I kind of re-experienced how good primes and specially just a 50mm FOV lens can work and how flexible it can be.
    I also believe that 50mm forces the photographer to be relativly close to the subject which is good.

    I dont have a D800e pre-ordered though and will wait and look forward to all the images posted soon.
    Right now I think the S2 is my main camera, and the D700 I mainly need/use if I shoot action/sports (which seems notto happen much these days) and for the few times I use the D700 I dont need to replace it.

    I am specially interested how the D800 will work color wise, specially and most important in regards to skin color.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    I assume if using flash or if available light is sufficiently bright and you can keep the lens stopped down to at least f5.6/8, then for general applications when used on the D800e, it might be sufficient. Of course nothing substitutes for actually trying it out when the body is available. Again my recommendation is just be selective when choosing a given sample of the lens. Early on there were horendous sample to sample variation (saw this with my own testing) and some were simply close to the "canine" variety (and I do love dogs). It took a while for Nikon to sort this out (and there was more consistancy in production), but even on later runs, some seemed to be better than others.


    **** ADDITION: I forgot to mention...many samples of the 17-35mm f2.8 lens have the infamous AF-S motor squeek when using in autofocus mode (some even develope this shortly after being new out of the box). Often this meant costly Af-S motor replacement, while other samples go on squeeking to varying degrees for years). This being due to being one of the earliest designs of the Nikon AF-S motor.

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    I can attest to that. I sent mine back for repair last year due to the squeek and also do to an error message I was getting. When I received mine back it was fine for about two weeks then started the high pitched squeal again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thats what I would like but a 200mm prime is a little out there. Seriously I could rent that 3 or 4 times a year too. The 180mm would be perfect just not sure how it would hold up but for its use its only a 11x14 max print too. But yes what I want is the 14-24,35, 85 and 200 ish. I may just have to suck it up. I just did my taxes and life looks a little brighter. LOL
    The 200 prime is an awesome lens and I use it quite a bit for my sports as it is fast, and sharp and the bokeh it produces is very nice indeed.
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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Right now its a toss up between the 14-24 and the 24 1.4.Got everything else figured out . I could also toss in their the Zeiss 21mm instead.
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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    For me lenses seem to come down to

    4/16-35/VR
    1.4/24
    1.4/50G
    1.4/85/G
    2.8/70-200/VR2

    I had the 2.8/24-70 and while a great lens I almost never was using it. Turned out I am preferring primes in that area. Also I would expect Nikon to bring a VR version pretty soon, as they are now forced by Canon, so that would rive price of the current 24-70 pretty much south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    #2 105/2.0DC
    Can't believe it took 4 weeks for this lens to be mentioned.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Can't believe it took 4 weeks for this lens to be mentioned.
    yes, no question the 105/2 DC will be a main lens. My favorite Nikon portrait lens. My D800 "kit"
    17-35
    28/1.4
    Zeiss 50/2 makro-planar
    85/1.4D
    105/2DC
    70-200 VR I
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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Mine will be
    14-24
    35 1.4G
    50 1.8G
    85 1.4 G
    180 2.8

    Im still on the bubble if the 180 will work okay. I did buy it used though so worth a try.
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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Can't believe it took 4 weeks for this lens to be mentioned.
    I have the 135/2 DC - It's slightly too long to be universally useful.

    THe problem with the DC lens is that it's a really complicated design (not just optically) and you have take great care with it in the field. Even in a heavily padded bag, a drop can cause the internal mechanics to misalign. This is what happened to mine. $$$$.

    Today's zooms are of course just as complex. They are just built better.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im still on the bubble if the 180 will work okay. I did buy it used though so worth a try.
    My 180 has been ridiculously sharp on D700 as well as D2X.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    My 50mm f1.4 G was a total pig. I have replaced it with the 1.8 G and it is much better. I'm a bit doubtful as to whether my 24-70 will hold up on 36mpx, but it's a great all purpose lens.
    My ideal D800 kit would be:
    14 - 24 G (AMAZING lens)
    24 - 70 G
    24mm PC-E
    45mm PC-E
    50mm f1.8 G
    35mm f1.4 G
    If I had the money I'd also buy the 50mm Zeiss Makro-Planar.
    I have no need for anything long in my bag.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    14-24
    24-70
    70-200
    400 2.8
    all latest issue

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    I've been collecting lenses for the D800E as well, testing the out on the D7000.

    My D7000 backfocused badly (-13 on AF tune default, even with manual lenses). It went to Nikon and came back spot on. And I mean spot on.

    80-400 VR: pretty low contrast lens. Smooth, nice bokeh. Everyone complains about it, but I like this lens a lot. Being low contrast, it gets cut off early by the D7k's AA filter. It's always almost there but never quite sharp; and it looks exactly the same on a D700, so clearly it's a product of the low contrast plus AA filter. The D800E should do better, or so I hope at least. Not sure how the corners will handle on FX, but I'm holding onto it for now and might shoot it in crop mode. 1.2x might be a good option. AF on my copy is spot on.

    14-24. Good lens out of the box, in fact quite good. But mine backfocused severely on the 24 end, about a foot at 10'. Had it serviced by Nikon and got back a STELLAR lens with spot-on focus anywhere, everywhere. So they fixed not only AF, but overall improved the lens with whatever adjustments they made.

    24-70. Same problem as 14-24; out of the box, good lens with serious backfocus at 70mm (-15 vs 0 at 14mm). Unusable. It's off to Nikon.

    50/1.4G. Serious backfocus, but it's fixed with a -17 AF tune. Very glowy wide open (as in flarey, not as in Leica). Lots of tangential chromatic aberration. It's good at f/2.8 and excellent at f/4. But I don't have any use for an f/1.4 lens that needs to be stopped down to f/4. I'll be sending this to Nikon for service regardless of whether I keep it or not. At least I'll be selling a lens up to spec. Given how the 14-24 improved overall with an adjustment, if the 24-70 also improves as dramatically overall I'll be sending the 50 in.

    85/1.8G - on backorder.

    AIS 105/2.8 Micro. Fine lens, no complaints. Nothing spectacular either.

    Mamiya 645 APO 200/2.8 with an adapter. Excellent lens.
    Mamiya 120/4 Macro - excellent lens. I like this much better than the 105 Micro.

    AIS 105/2.5 - will get one of these just because. Nice lens at a bargain price.

    But in general I have little interest in manual focus prime lenses on a DSLR. The M9 is superior for that kind of use and the whole benefit of a DSLR to me is versatility. Don't really need one-trick ponies that just sit unused waiting for the perfect moment. (When I probably won't have it with me anyway. Meh.)

    Also, I've observed:
    - Nikon cameras and lenses need a trip to Nikon more often than not, so expect this when buying.
    - The good news is they come back as 'good copies'.
    - If AF is off on a lens, then chances are good it's not performing up to par in general. Send it to Nikon.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Anybody on this lens... AF-S Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8G ED Macro Autofocus Lens.
    I never known anyone owning it. I kind of like the idea. On Photozone has great ratings..

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Minimalist kit for me.

    24-70 f2.8
    28 f2.8 Schneider PC Super Angulon (already have it; currently testing)
    50 1.8g (something small fast cheap)

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    Hang on a second.. Schneider do a PC Super Angulon in F mount?!?! That I did not know! How does it compare to the Nikon?

    Quote Originally Posted by paulraphael View Post
    Minimalist kit for me.

    24-70 f2.8
    28 f2.8 Schneider PC Super Angulon (already have it; currently testing)
    50 1.8g (something small fast cheap)

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    I have the 135/2 DC - It's slightly too long to be universally useful.

    THe problem with the DC lens is that it's a really complicated design (not just optically) and you have take great care with it in the field. Even in a heavily padded bag, a drop can cause the internal mechanics to misalign. This is what happened to mine. $$$$.

    Today's zooms are of course just as complex. They are just built better.
    I haven't tried this it on my new D4 yet, but I love the 135, often take it on trips abroad rather than the less-compact 70-200. I've beat it around pretty badly but it hasn't mis-aligned yet, and always considered it fairly rugged. Now you will have me coddling it.

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    IMHO, the DC lenses are über-built. All that metal and crinkle paint. I suppose a drop of the right distance and angle could mis-align almost any lens, zoom or otherwise...

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    Hang on a second.. Schneider do a PC Super Angulon in F mount?!?! That I did not know! How does it compare to the Nikon?
    Here's the lens.

    I only use the Nikon 24 tilt/shift once ... rented for a commercial job, which is something I don't do often. The Nikon was very good, although the mechanics of it seemed a bit convoluted ... there's a wee locking knob, and there's the whole tilt assembly adding complication, which I found no use for in the 24.

    It's hard for me to compare optical quality of the two, since I just used the Nikon for magazine pictures, and I wasn't fussing over them like I do with personal work that's intended for bigger prints and longer shelf life.

    Reviews I've read by people who have owned both lenses pretty uniformly give the optical nod to the Schneider.

    A friend who shoots architecture with a Canon system says that the Schneider trounces the older Canon TSE lenses, but that their brand new ones are more or less its equal.

    I'll link to a couple of my test images later.
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    I had one of these a number of years ago with a canon mount. It was not that great of a lens. It might have been better than the original 24mm TSE but it produced horrible chromatic aberration and non-sharp corners especially when shifted. I am sure it is not as good as the new 24mm TSE from canon-- which i own and think is a wonderful lens

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    IMHO, the DC lenses are über-built. All that metal and crinkle paint. I suppose a drop of the right distance and angle could mis-align almost any lens, zoom or otherwise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1958 View Post
    I had one of these a number of years ago with a canon mount. It was not that great of a lens. It might have been better than the original 24mm TSE but it produced horrible chromatic aberration and non-sharp corners especially when shifted. I am sure it is not as good as the new 24mm TSE from canon-- which i own and think is a wonderful lens
    There might be a lot of sample variation with these. I read an online review from someone else saying the same thing as you, and responses from other people saying they couldn't imagine what he was talking about.

    I know someone who has both the Schneider and the new generation Canon TSE lenses. He prefers the Canon because 24mm is more useful for him but he finds them optically similar.

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    Thanks Paul,
    Good to know there are a few options. When I get my D800 I'm almost certainly going to order a PC lens, most probably the Nikon 24mm although a 28mm would suit me just as well. I've never seen the Schneider before so I can't compare. There doesn't seem to be many reviews directly comparing the two online either.

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    I don't see many listing the PC-E lenses....

    I'd have thought for landscape orientated work on the D800 the perspective control lenses would be on any list,

    Why the lack of interest?

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    DPreview has some sample images with different Nikon lens now.

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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    I'm simple -- thinking a 28/2.8, 50/1.4g and the 85/1.8 when it ships. Maybe the latest 70-200/2.8 v2 and maybe the 20/2.8 too. I like the range of the 24-70, but cannot stand the size.
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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    My decision is in or should I say my bag is holding them. Lol

    I went 14-24, 35 1.4 G, 50 1.8 G, 85 1.4 G and a 180. I got the 14-24 and 180 used. Just need to pick up cam in the morning. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    I don't see many listing the PC-E lenses....

    I'd have thought for landscape orientated work on the D800 the perspective control lenses would be on any list,

    Why the lack of interest?
    This puzzles me as well - I really want to see some images with the PC-E 24 mm!

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    Just got a used Zeiss 35/2 distagon to go with my 50/2 MP. Reid Review was extremely high on this lens, he even said that he wished the AA filter on the D700 he was testing it with was weaker as the sensor wasn't keeping up! Sounds like a job for the 800E! best....Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    I don't see many listing the PC-E lenses....

    I'd have thought for landscape orientated work on the D800 the perspective control lenses would be on any list,

    Why the lack of interest?
    Speaking for me only, I already have a technical camera and great lenses to use with my IQ180 back, so the Nikon PC lenses are superfluous.

    But my simple turn out to be more complex after doing my homework. Studying the MTF's for the Nikon shorter primes, I was left underwhelmed. So what I have right now is the 16-35 and 70-200 VRii plus 1.7x, with the new 24-120 as an all-around. I can confirm this new 24-120 is NOT anything like it's ugly predecessor; it is quite sharp but does show some barrel at the wide end, pin at the long end. The 16-35 is very sharp too, surprisingly so and distortions are not bad at all -- I am impressed. The 70-200ii is outstanding, as has been said, but initial impressions of the 1.7x are ho-hum. It's not horrible, but it isn't as good as the sensor when coupled to the 70-200. In fact, I may return it. Curious what folks see with the 1.4x or 2x on this lens.
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    Jack,
    Glad you like the 24-120mm - it is in an entirely different league to the previous version.
    The 16-25mm is a superb lens as well - and VR can be very useful when photographing indoors (cathedrals etc).
    In my view the new TC20EIII is better than then TC17EII.
    The 70-200mm with the TC14 is great, and even with the TC20 yields very good results.
    Still keen to hear what others think of Nikon TS lenses.
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    Re: What Lenses for the D800?

    S,

    Thank you for the converter info --- I think I will be exchanging my 1.7 for the 2.0 later today. But to clarify, did you test on the D800 and the VRii zoom? I ask because the 1.7x is okay, just hits a wall before the D800 pixels do where the VRii by itself clearly exceeds the D800 pixels (well most of them anyway). I know the 1.4x is excellent, but I wanted a skosh more at the top end than 280mm, so the 2x it is.
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    No, I've not had a chance to test drive the D800 yet.
    It is just my impression using a D700 body and a variety of Nikon lenses, including the 70-200mm VRII, in which the TC14 and TC20 seem to give the best results.
    Beware of highlights in the background when using the 2x - they can appear funny. ie the bokeh can appear odd.
    Mots reports suggest that the TC20 is best matched with fix fast primes eg 300mm f2.8 etc.
    Look forward to seeing more of your results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post
    No, I've not had a chance to test drive the D800 yet.
    It is just my impression using a D700 body and a variety of Nikon lenses, including the 70-200mm VRII, in which the TC14 and TC20 seem to give the best results.
    Beware of highlights in the background when using the 2x - they can appear funny. ie the bokeh can appear odd.
    Mots reports suggest that the TC20 is best matched with fix fast primes eg 300mm f2.8 etc.
    Look forward to seeing more of your results.
    Agree with your postings regarding the Nikon's 1.4 and the latest 2x (TC-EIII).

    Prior to the new 2x (EIII), results from the three teleconverters were pretty much as one would expect. The 1.4x was exceptionally good (especially on fast telephoto primes and the 70-200 f2.8II), the 1.7x was good on the fast tele primes but clearly lost resolution and some contrast, and the older 2x (TC EII) was in my opinion left for wanting (and believe me I'm being charatable with the older 2x TCII...I'd much prefer to call it of the "Canine" variety. I wasn't a fan of the 1.7x either but some were.

    The new 2x (TC EIII) is quite exceptional considering it's a 2x. On the larger tele priomes like the 300 f2.8, 400 f2.8 and to a good degree on the 600 f4, it's amazing what its capable of and when conditions and lighting are right, it comes amazingly close to the 1.4x and in some cases appears to almost equal it. Far superior to the 1.7x! Thats saying a lot about a 2x (and I don't even really like teleconverters).

    Thats why the ophened child is now the 1.7x, but rumors has it that it too will be updated in the near future.

    On the 70-200 f2.8 II lens, the new 2x does well in some circumastances but may not always be optimal and with this one lens in particular, I wouldn't expect it to match the 1.4x (with that lens). Using it with the tele primes, well its a different story.

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    S,

    Thank you for the converter info --- I think I will be exchanging my 1.7 for the 2.0 later today. But to clarify, did you test on the D800 and the VRii zoom? I ask because the 1.7x is okay, just hits a wall before the D800 pixels do where the VRii by itself clearly exceeds the D800 pixels (well most of them anyway). I know the 1.4x is excellent, but I wanted a skosh more at the top end than 280mm, so the 2x it is.
    Jack,

    I had the 1.4 together with the 70-200VR2 and it just rocked. I tried the 2x and it did not convince me, as so far no 2x ever convinced me. This was on my D700 and D7000. So I think it will be worse on the D800.

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