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    Thank you for the generous contributions to this informative thread.

    Could someone please comment on how effectively the focus assist works with manual focus lenses?

    Also, what would be native print size [at, say 240, or 360 dpi] of processed RAW files?

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    about 24" wide at 300 dpi (7360x4912 pixels)
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Perfect on my Epson 7900
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Guy, I think 30-35" should be no problem at all.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    I would certainly try 40", especially from the D800E: I get great prints at 180DPI from the IQ180...

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Steen,

    love the second one. Nearly too sharp :-). Tripod I guess?
    I like both of them. kind of images I usually enjoy and take.

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    >I would certainly try 40"

    Certainly, but I always try to be conservative in posting such things.
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    LOL I need to order some big rolls here. Only have 17 in. on hand
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    Hi Folks,

    Firstly i want to thank you all for this thread. So great, kind of why i do NOT read any other forum actually, even French
    This thread makes me really change my mind.

    Clients ask me more and more about video. I was thinking about the Canon 5d Mark III (and II) for "general purpose" photography and video as a replacement of my D700's.
    I thought Canon files would be ok, a mid range to complete my Leaf Aptus II 10.
    But...
    Seeing and testing those files from D800 have made me think now different.
    The files are great for sure... behind my DB with micro-contrast and details but far I think with tonal graduation and color rendition - transition.
    Highlights are well handed and DR is nice.

    DOF is the major advantage/disadvantage, it is "extra long" comparing with my DB, more visible than the one you could see between APSC and FF 35 with same stop... for my architectural work it could be nice sometimes and make me wait for my techcam (money in fact ) with less impatience. Most of my clients won't be (unfortunately?) educated enough to see any difference at least til A2/A1 print.
    For my portrait work the DB would keep a (huge?) step forward. Bokeh graduation from sharpness to blur and rendering.

    I went to Nikon Pro Tour Paris yesterday and made some tries with some of my lenses and others that Guy, Uwe and others haven't tested-posted yet if i remember well.
    I had the D800 for about an hour with 24 PCE - 85 1,8 AFS - 105 Macro VR - my 14-24 - my 70-300 VR - my 24-70 and 24 1,4 AFS

    D800 feels ok but i prefer it far more with the grip.
    Viewfinder and focus is nice... Guy and others told already about all that.
    As you can imagine i could not do micro focus adjusting.
    The images are a bit boring but we didn't have much space to walk around.

    Focussing assistant work pretty well with the MF 24 PCE.

    All images have been used with LR4 - Hate NX2 and (trying to ) "master" LR - C1 and Ps is already enough for my brain.
    I let default setting with NO distortion correction, neutral with 2012 Process (don't like much Adobe standard) - minor highlight recovery when needed and almost none dark tones pushing up.
    Waiting for C1 that is my preferred soft for "single image" workflow.

    I made a pre-sharpenning high pass with the tif 16b but files could support easily more.
    Jepg's 1200pix have been done with "Jack's Web converter kit"

    Files look really great for 35 and it's gonna be a pleasure to play with... Digital Outback DOP for example...

    As soon as my dropbox is full i let you a link to the NEF to play with.

    Regards

    Jerome

    First image 24PCE - Like it a lot even if a bit weak extreme right and left.


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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Some with 24PCE again






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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    24 PCE playing with tilt




    Crop 100%


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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    With my 70-300VR
    Like it with the D700 until 200mm.
    Idem with D800 quite good for the cost!!






    Crop 100%


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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    More at 200mm



    Crop 100%


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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    with my 14-24 (could be better on tripod with LW for sure, may be micro focus adjustment needed)



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    New 85 1,8 G
    The lens is incredibly light. It works well and AFS is outstanding.
    Like that cambo!

    At infinity



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    Close focus




    I would have had a friend for portrait - 3d look testing

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Jérôme,

    Thank you for the 24 PCE examples. I have wondered about that combination specifically, and they look quite good.

    Best,

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    Grrrr. Now I want one even more and things have gone silent on the D800E delivery front. I'm going to pay a scalper on eBay....

    Thanks for posting these shots - for me, the 800 files are like looking into the scene itself, even at screen resolutions, rather than looking at a scene reproduced by a camera...

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Still 85 with High iso and dark focus "testing".
    Focus is accurate in low light no problem.




    100% with No noise reduction




    100% with Dfine2 (auto)


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    Agree Matt good to see the 24 PCE lens here , thanks Jerome for posting these. I still want to test a few lenses out myself so all this data is good. I'm reading reports of left side AF being week on the D800 and I have not seen any of the issues i have been reading about yellow LCD as well. But I do want to double check my 14-24 again. I would also like to try the 24 1.4 G and the Zeiss 25 F2. Going to a camera store this morning and see what I can ask to try out. Hell I am even thinking of renting a few lenses for the day. Might be worth the 100 dollars to double check my 180 against the 70-200 and also test my 14-24 against a few. I'm totally happy with the 35 1.4G, 50 1.8 G and the 85 1.4 G. I'm just nit picky as hell so wanna make sure of the other two.
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    85 again lowlight and High iso.
    1600 is very good, 3200 also and 6400 weaker for sure.
    But because of the resolution I'm not sure is efficient to look at 100% noise regarding what size you print.
    What about noise video mode at those Isos??


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    [QUOTEThanks for posting these shots - for me, the 800 files are like looking into the scene itself, even at screen resolutions, rather than looking at a scene reproduced by a camera...[/QUOTE]

    Totally agree Tashley. It is really impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Thanks for posting these shots - for me, the 800 files are like looking into the scene itself, even at screen resolutions, rather than looking at a scene reproduced by a camera...
    Yeah. I'm beginning to think those weird colors in Arizona aren't the camera's fault!

    Seriously, I am impressed buy the files, but not yet moved by them. Of course, making a moving image is in no small part done in post, but some files make it easy and some make it hard. I'm trying not to be biased by "it's more expensive, it has to be better", difficult though that is to avoid, but while I see a TON of detail from the 800, I haven't yet had the "Yep, this is what it's like to be there." response. From the samples posted in these fora, and that means taking which photographers own which cameras into account, I'd say the MF Leica, Hasselblad, and Phase have more of that "you are there" feeling (in that order, but all really good). I *think* that this is mostly a subtle color issue, and not something magical about large sensors. Or maybe I'm just a snob.

    Of course, 5 stops of usable shadow can go a long way to warm a photographer's heart.

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Why you have 2 systems. For me its not my tech cam look or quality and my tech cam can't shoot what the Nikon can. The Nikon is going to be my workhorse.
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    And trust me to no end I wish I had nice soft light here. It's hell here
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    Need a serious Nikon road trip. LOL
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Why you have 2 systems. For me its not my tech cam look or quality and my tech cam can't shoot what the Nikon can. The Nikon is going to be my workhorse.
    Guy, I totally agree. It doesn't stop me dreaming of a "one system does everything" solution. I'm trying to convince myself that only one MF system is enough . IQ for technical, but it's a shame that all the SLRs it fits on are such beasts.

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    [QUOTE=It is really impressive.[/QUOTE]
    For a 35 FF

    Matt, for sure It can't compete with our MFDB for the "you are there" feeling.
    The 3D rendering is there but still not as my Leaf.
    I never believe about MFDB killer anyway.
    As Guy said, a nice workhorse hard to beat...

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Someone ask for 105 VR at infinity...




    Closer range... didn't like that much the rendering of that lens at this distance.
    I didn't find any nice 3D macro subject to shoot with.



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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Jerome, thanks ever so much for posting these, especially the images taken with the 24mm PCE. Obviously impressive with regards to both the rendering and level of detail, and is something we haven't see from a Nikon DSR previously. I'm still trying to get a handle on higher ISO shots, such as those taken at 1600 and 3200....sort of the bread and butter ISO's I often use in low light theater production work. Would it be possible when time permits, to post a crop (without post processing noise reduction), of those the higher ISO (1600 & 3200) images you posted above? Maybe covering part of the print on the easel extending across the floor to part of the man's dark color suit? This would cover some of the deeper shadows and a bit of highlights, while in comparison, the upper part of the ceiling would approximate some of the midtones. Thanks once again!

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    The last but the best i tried i think. 24 1,4 G
    Sun disappeared unfortunately



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    Ps: All shots were done handheld, i try to keep a x2-x3 shutter speed/focal.

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Just a seperate comment from my post above. I agree with most that some of the D800 images don't quite display the 3D often seen with MFD, even those from ~40MP MF cameras and backs. Not sure if I completely attribute it to simply the differences in DOF at at given f-stop when closely matched lenses (and angle of views are considered) or alternatively when these DOF differences are combined with characteristics that can be attributed to the somewhat larger sensors in the ~40MP cameras/backs is responsible?

    Additionally some of the 100% crops look a bit soft as compared to some others I've seen. I wonder if in part it was due to the possibly of flat lighting at the stadium that day or the difference in microcontrast that seems to partially exists between some of the D800 shots vs. MFD? Although one might expect lower microcontrast from certain Nikon lenses, others lenses employed are quite capable in this regard.

    I do believe examining large format prints of similar images from the D800 and a MFD camera may reveal some of the differences in 3D rendering better than viewing web sized images.

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    This is getting a very irritating discussion - I cannot understand how one can see 3-Dimensionality in these Web size images ?????

    I definitely can't!

    So I also cannot see any differences in this regard to MFD of course.

    Are we really serious?

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme.E View Post
    Ps: All shots were done handheld, i try to keep a x2-x3 shutter speed/focal.
    Wow! Now I'm really impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Jerome, thanks ever so much for posting these, especially the images taken with the 24mm PCE. Obviously impressive with regards to both the rendering and level of detail, and is something we haven't see from a Nikon DSR previously. I'm still trying to get a handle on higher ISO shots, such as those taken at 1600 and 3200....sort of the bread and butter ISO's I often use in low light theater production work. Would it be possible when time permits, to post a crop (without post processing noise reduction), of those the higher ISO (1600 & 3200) images you posted above? Maybe covering part of the print on the easel extending across the floor to part of the man's dark color suit? This would cover some of the deeper shadows and a bit of highlights, while in comparison, the upper part of the ceiling would approximate some of the midtones. Thanks once again!

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    You're welcome Dave
    I'll do it soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme.E View Post
    You're welcome Dave
    I'll do it soon
    And in an hour you'll have the NEF!
    Thanks very much Jerome, it's appreciated! I won't be able to examine them till late this evening when I return to a regular desktop computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    This is getting a very irritating discussion - I cannot understand how one can see 3-Dimensionality in these Web size images ?????

    I definitely can't!

    So I also cannot see any differences in this regard to MFD of course.

    Are we really serious?
    I didn't mean you could see the 3D rendering with those Web size images.
    Mis-understanding here.
    But certainly with the tif and with some lenses.

    It is pretty hard to see, at least for me, the difference between format with web sized images and especially from architectural/landscape images.
    I found it easier with portrait/studio photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jérôme.E View Post
    I didn't mean you could see the 3D rendering with those Web size images.
    Mis-understanding here.
    But certainly with the tif and with some lenses.

    It is pretty hard to see, at least for me, the difference between format with web sized images and especially from architectural/landscape images.
    I found it easier with portrait/studio photography.
    To add to this discussion, my mentioning of 3D rendering (above) of D800 images vs. MFD, was reflective of my printing large format prints of provided RAW files and comparing, not of viewing web sized images.

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    That 14-24 stadium shot really shows off the dynamic range. That's midday sun, sunlit clouds, AND stadium shadow. Nothing looks blocked or murky. I do notice you don't quite get the grass texture in the crop... could be the lens, or it's just at the AA filter limit.

    24 @ f/8 = 3mm aperture. So much for the Internet "diffraction limit" meme. Lol. But a 3mm aperture is probably TOO small and could explain the lack of texture.

    The 70-300 looks slightly backfocused but shows what a fine lens it is.

    The 85/1.8G looks very nice. So glad I ordered one (on Feb 12, maybe I'll get it before xmas - lol).

    Can't wait to get my D800E.

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    Btw went to camera store today . Now I did this handheld at 1/30 of a second at 5.6 no need for images but shot the Zeiss 25 F2 and the 14-24 at 24 and actually the Nikon was sharper. Okay now I was manual focusing the Zeiss and sure I could be off and really that is my point. By the time you focus a wide like this you could be off anyway. Also the D800 focus screen is not a great screen for manual focus anyway. In the end given the zoom it just has more going for it. I thought about the 24 1.4G also but I keep reading about soft corners. In all honesty I maybe better with my 14-24 in the end. I am after a great 24mm focal length the rest of the zoom is a bonus. It's just a little big but I can deal with that.
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    >In all honesty I maybe better with my 14-24 in the end. I am after a great 24mm focal length the rest of the zoom is a bonus. It's just a little big but I can deal with that.

    I once had the 14-24mm and it is an excellent zoom. If I would shoot often 24mm or wider this would be my choice. I may get loaners for review though.

    Interesting would comparing the 24-70mm to the 14-14mm at 24mm.

    Actually for me MF on the D800 would result for me in out of focus issues. That is why I right now only consider AF lenses. If the D800 would have a swivel LCD manual focusing in live view would be much simpler.
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    With that I have tell you a long time secret here , I shot Nikon for many many years and Canon as well. But if anyone remembers me several years ago getting so fed up with Canon glass and bolting Zeiss and Leica glass just to get some quality . I will have to say given Nikons latest glass they really stepped up there game. I have to give them a lot of credit for this. My 85 and 35 G are killer good and this zoom which I hate freaking zooms is just stellar. That says a lot coming from me. I am a serious nit picking glass whore. Lol
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >In all honesty I maybe better with my 14-24 in the end. I am after a great 24mm focal length the rest of the zoom is a bonus. It's just a little big but I can deal with that.

    I once had the 14-24mm and it is an excellent zoom. If I would shoot often 24mm or wider this would be my choice. I may get loaners for review though.

    Interesting would comparing the 24-70mm to the 14-14mm at 24mm.
    The 24-70 not rated great at 24 or better I should say.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    I have the 14-24 and 24-70 and the latter is just useable at 24mm. The 14-24 has the least distortion of any Nikon 24mm focal length and makes it indispensible for architectural work. I rented a 24mm PCE and it wasn't as sharp as my 14-24 and had notable distortion, which for it's intended purpose is just not something I can accept, much as I'd like to. I would like to do a comparison with an auto distortion corrected D800 image with the 24 PCE, downsampled, maybe it's good enough.

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    Great to see some PCE lenses used here. I'd be super appreciative if we could play with some of the PCE NEFs.
    Thanks again,
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    But if anyone remembers me several years ago getting so fed up with Canon glass and bolting Zeiss and Leica glass just to get some quality
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    Btw went to camera store today . Now I did this handheld at 1/30 of a second at 5.6 no need for images but shot the Zeiss 25 F2 and the 14-24 at 24 and actually the Nikon was sharper. Okay now I was manual focusing the Zeiss and sure I could be off and really that is my point. By the time you focus a wide like this you could be off anyway. Also the D800 focus screen is not a great screen for manual focus anyway. In the end given the zoom it just has more going for it. I thought about the 24 1.4G also but I keep reading about soft corners. In all honesty I maybe better with my 14-24 in the end. I am after a great 24mm focal length the rest of the zoom is a bonus. It's just a little big but I can deal with that.
    Guy, regarding the 24mm f1.4G vs. the 14-24 at 24mm...it took all of four samples of the 24mm f1.4G till I found one that performed virtually as good as the 14-24mm @ 24mm when both were shot at f2.8. At f1.4 and f2, the best sample of the 24mm f1.4G was a bit softer along the sides/corners at f1.4 and f2 that the matching performance of both lenses at f1.2 (and 24mm). F2 on the single focal length lens wasn't that far off either. Size of the 24mm f1.4G is of course more manageable and easier to take in a small bag, but one has to keep in mid they are giving up the rest of the focal lengths of the zoom.

    Bottom line is there are some really good samples of the 24mm f1.4G, although none I tried were sharp edge to edge at f1.4 (but not far off at f2!). All these tests were performed on a D700 and D3s.

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    Yea I'm a little torn on the 24 1.4g . It looks to be slightly sharper at
    2.8 than have the faster apertures to play but I give up the wider side but do get a smaller less weight lens. I'm leaning towards it but not convinced yet. Like to see it on a D800 first
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