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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    >Colors look much better in C1 (greens and reds).

    Stronger highlight recovery is not a strength of C1 I would say.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Been playing around with it -- C1 D800 color is excellent
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    >C1 D800 color is excellent

    +1 (So much about "bad" Nikon colors). C1 always had standard profiles I liked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Guy, a quick look does shows skin tones looking more natural and most definitely less red in the C1 adjusted file...as seen in the image size posted, yet it does look like the center forehead hot spot is a bit overblown resulting in less detail? The resulting adjusment (exposure) of each file looks different too (with C1 being brighter), judging by the sports jacket and hair. Is this due to increased DR or simply exposure adjustment of the file? Am I noticing this correctly? How does it look on your monitor with the full size file?

    Now after going back to both posted images for a second look, the C1 skin tones are preferable in my opinion but it's just barely boarding on being a smigin too yellow. Close call. Unfortunately I'm at a different location than normal and the monitor I'm looking at hasn't been calibrated in quite some time...so I'll have to defer to your observations/comments. The posted C1 outdoor shots though look exceptionally good and I think C1 did a better job of representing some of the colors, especially the reds!

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    Thanks Dave yea I have to sit down and get working on this some more too. Just need to get a project done in the next two days than I can concentrate better on it plus this weekend I have models too shoot do that will give me more images to work with. BUT so far it looks good and I have my program back.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    How is C1 with lens corrections? Does it read DNG files?

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    It has its own onboard lens corrections but not Nikons preset ones. But you could actually build presets. About the only thing missing or you can bring it into CS5 and use Nikon presets.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    >and use Nikon presets

    works fine.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Thanks Uwe have not had a chance to myself.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    The credit goes to Jack. I never used the lens profiles in CS5/CS6 because I came from Lightroom and had no need. That is why I forgot about the profiles in CS5/6. They are the same as in LR I guess.

    Just don't crop before you use them in C1 or Photoshop.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Well just looking at some previous files in C1 is a world of difference to me. They look cleaner , sharper and have life to them. NX2 bit the dust today
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Okay now with C1 ready for the Nikon . I pulled the same Nikon image and did the best I could in both ACR and Phase. I have a image before my final that has the color checker in it so going off that WB applied in each program the same color temps. I did the best sharpening in ACR and I think I got the best in C1 although still tweaking that some , so the only weak point for me but I think I nailed it. Fill and recovery to equal to taste on the Nikon. Clarity the same value as well. Bottom line the best you can do to the Nikon file in each program and IMHO completely biased opinion which I clearly stated I was bias about C1 but to me this just proves it. C1 eats ACR for breakfast. But hey you decide and yes I did the 160 too which still without a doubt has better micro contrast and a 20mpx gain on it, something the Nikon can not escape. MF is MF plain and simple but again the Nikon looks great. Question is how well will the E do Answer a little more Micro detail for the Nikon files but again still a dollar short of MF at least in the 60 mpx version in the 40 mpx version. It maybe pretty darn close. I can't answer that without a full test which i am not going to do.

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    Crops at 100 percent





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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Bottom line you don't have C1 i suggest you buy the program and put yourself out of misery. LOL

    I say that with at least 6 years using this program. There has not been one cam in all that time and there have been many that C1 did not look the best over any other raw converter. I make zilch for getting you to buy C1 although they should pay me. ROTFLMAO
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Excellent comparison. Very evident. Thanks

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Yea big yellow cast in ACR. The bottom line you can fix anything in any converter almost the problem is the workflow getting it done. You honestly don't want to get that involved in fixing things on every image and you can make presets , styles and such in these programs but all tis stuff takes time. I don't want to do this myself. I want pretty close to out of the gate results.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    BTW my sharpening in C1 on the Nikon is not set in stone either , I'm still tweaking that a little.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Little stronger sharpening . New first


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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Guy, what sharpening did you use in C1?
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Last one 325, .6, 1 and 15 clarity. Now it could be a little strong on other types of images so depends.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Guy,

    Are you seeing green/purple noise in the IQ160 crops (in the brown painted wood just above the sign)? I can't tell if it's moire or something else.

    For the Nikon, the C1 results are just worlds better than ACR.

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Good eye , moire is just starting to settle in. Its very slight but there. It should to be honest its a Schneider 60mm XL which is maybe one of the best lenses around but at a cost of 6K. It freaking better MOIRE. LOL
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    BTW another thing that occurred to me in Nikons defense here this is the 35 1.4 G at F9 which could be starting to get diffraction. In hindsight maybe 5.6 but I shot the 160 at F9 so i was trying to not bring aperture into play but now that I think about it diffraction could be setting in.
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    >I think about it diffraction could be setting in.

    Likely.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Just another date point from D800E... look at the pigeon spikes (always rather telling)

    The LR version first, with what I consider slightly excessive sharpening (60,0.7, 70, 20) - a level which is fine for a D800 file with a moderately good lens but slightly overkill for E with a great lens (50 Cron R here).

    Then second the C1 version at default - which I think is waaaay to high.




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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    C1's default radius of 180/0.8 is a little strong for most D800 files I've played with. I find using that or slightly higher amounts at 0.6 radius renders a more pleasing effect.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    I'm really impressed with the difference C1 makes in color rendering.

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Well playing around this morning went back to some shots and reprocessed them in C1. Everything done in C1 except the jpeg conversion for the web. I did notice when I hit the statue inside shots taken at ISO 1600 C1 automatically had noise reduction built in for that ISO and it looks very good indeed so left it at the default . Ill put those two up first here.





    These are just grabs along the way








    Both of these using the keystone tool in C1 to get all lines straight and i also did bring these into CS5 and added the lens corrections to them.




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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    That left altar is just off naturally . LOL
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    Re: High Noon

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    So now the inevitable High Noon ...

    ... I mean high ISO, first the Scenery at base ISO 100 (added daylight WB, and '50 out of 150 sharpness' in Lightroom, no other tweaks)

    ISO 100 provided a shutter speed of 1/6 sec. at f/8

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    Nikon D800 AI-S Nikkor 2.8/20mm 12 bit 1/6 sec. at f/8 ISO 100 Lightroom 4
    Hello all.
    Is it just me or do I see fringing on the right side windows.
    I have the D800 and I must say I am not thrilled. Maybe I just have a bad body.
    I have used my 24-1.4, 85-1.4, 24-70, 50-1.8 and several other lenses. The 24 & 85 fringe badly and my 14-24 is unreal. I have been using these lenses on my D3, D3s, D3x with great results. I did the AF fine tune and the numbers are not drastic. Any one have some help full hints, settings or suggestions?

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    Nikon D800 First Blush


    You are right, there's a lot of lateral chromatic aberration, and it's the lens, an old design from the film days.

    I left the aberration there so that it was visible to everyone, but it is easily corrected in e.g. Lightroom 4 just by a single tick in a check box: >> Lens Corrections >> Remove Chromatic Aberration

    (Don't know what the problem in your pictures look like).

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