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    800 vs 800E

    MR at LL has a comparison of the 800 vs 800E. There is a definite advantage in resolution with the E version. Am patiently awaiting my delivery.....

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    Re: 800 vs 800E

    all 500 are shipping. small start.
    best chance to get was small store + NPS

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    Re: 800 vs 800E

    Honestly, I do NOT see a big difference in his "examples." If you look closely, you can see the actual focus point is different in the two grabs, the D800 more rearward placing the foreground in less sharp focus. Not convinced yet, sorry.

    I see a very minimal improvement in edge contrast at the pixel level in the best of circumstances. This may reflect slightly better definition in very large prints, but for most work I believe the difference will go largely un-noticed.

    Will I get an E for myself, yes --- BUT! The caveat is I would only recommend one as a second "special applications" body to a regular D800...
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    We're going to see a LOT of comparisons of unsharpened D800 vs. D800E, and it's just wrong. Sorry to link to my own post, but...

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/395479-post5.html

    To summarize, "AA filter/capture sharpen", like, e.g., DOLBY sound, is a single processing step. Do both halves, or do neither.

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    Re: 800 vs 800E

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Honestly, I do NOT see a big difference in his "examples." If you look closely, you can see the actual focus point is different in the two grabs, the D800 more rearward placing the foreground in less sharp focus. Not convinced yet, sorry.
    This (very informal) test seems to agree with you. The only real difference I see is some moiré from the printing screen on a couple of book covers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Honestly, I do NOT see a big difference in his "examples." If you look closely, you can see the actual focus point is different in the two grabs, the D800 more rearward placing the foreground in less sharp focus. Not convinced yet, sorry.
    Time will tell, right? You will soon enough be able to make your own comparisons. I'm not defending MR...... he is not my benchmark but I do have some confidence in his ability to focus properly. I cannot discern the focus point difference between the two images..... I do, though, acknowledge that one is sharper than the other.... A fluke?... time will tell.

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    LL has posted additional comparisons of 800 vs 800E. Again..... they are not my benchmark but..... this is becoming much more conclusive. The 'E' has a definite advantage.

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    IMHO it's gonna be a clear win for the 800 over the E. I will very soon know from personal experience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    IMHO it's gonna be a clear win for the 800 over the E. I will very soon know from personal experience!
    Maybe you could expand a little on this..... Granted there is a price difference and that is a benefit for the 800. Other than that I can't fathom what you are trying to state.... unless slightly less acuteness is beneficial for you. In my world more resolution is always important

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    Doh, I typed it the wrong way round! The E will have a sharpness advantage visible on screen and in print, and though you'll be able to fake the same level of sharpness by pp sharpening an 800 file, it won't be as convincing and will make the whole file feel a touch more crunchy. Moire is the semi-unknown here, and I am guessing it will be less of an issue than some people fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    The E will have a sharpness advantage visible on screen and in print,
    Yes, but I suspect you'll only see it in the largest prints, and even then you'll have to look VERY closely AND have the prints side by side to see it.

    Moire is the semi-unknown here, and I am guessing it will be less of an issue than some people fear.
    I am guessing it will be a *HUGE* deal for anybody who regularly shoots people wearing clothes, like fashion or wedding folk. But I also predict it will only be an occasional problem that is found after the fact at the most inopportune times: like the bride cutting the cake or tossing the bouquet, or in the perfectly timed shot of the perfume model jumping from the pier onto the boat as it debarks -- both will have a colorful wavy pattern streaming through their gorgeous gowns
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    If I would buy now I would likely get the D800E but I did not wanted to wait. On the other side I don't see our work suffer from the D800.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Doh, I typed it the wrong way round!
    Ah.... its obvious that Nikon never thought this through.... they should have named the 'E' camera the 8090XYZ Thanks for all of your thoughtful input here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yes, but I suspect you'll only see it in the largest prints, and even then you'll ha -- both will have a colorful wavy pattern streaming through their gorgeous gowns
    Very fashionable this bridal season...

    Seriously though, I am sure that's right: I am forever finding moire in M9 files, though of course the finer pixels of the E should help. I wouldn't use it in wedding or fashion situations (if I ever shot them) until I'd gotten to know it very well indeed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Ah.... its obvious that Nikon never thought this through.... they should have named the 'E' camera the 8090XYZ Thanks for all of your thoughtful input here.

    Victor
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    I am guessing it will be a *HUGE* deal for anybody who regularly shoots people wearing clothes, like fashion or wedding folk. But I also predict it will only be an occasional problem that is found after the fact at the most inopportune times: like the bride cutting the cake or tossing the bouquet, or in the perfectly timed shot of the perfume model jumping from the pier onto the boat as it debarks -- both will have a colorful wavy pattern streaming through their gorgeous gowns
    which is probably why Bergdorf Goodman shooters avoid using Hassy or Phase backs in their work <iron>

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    Re: 800 vs 800E

    All kidding aside, shooting with no AA filter in a *controlled studio* environment is a very different thing than shoot it on the fly in a real-time setting; very easy to confirm results and do a re-take in the studio, much tougher real time on location...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    To summarize, "AA filter/capture sharpen", like, e.g., DOLBY sound, is a single processing step. Do both halves, or do neither.
    What I am most interested in is how close a properly sharpened D800 gets to a D800E. I'm hanging out on the sidelines for many reasons until there is more information. I never saw moire on the DMR, but I know lots of people have on the M8 and M9, but the results were sharper images with better color separation than any DSLR I have seen. 16-bit, CCD, no AA filter? I have no idea. The bottom line is the proof is in the print, I don't care about the technology.

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    Re: 800 vs 800E

    Maybe some of them haven`t seen this site. It`s not the best but it could be a comparison to consider.
    If you download the photographs (d800 and d800e) of the cream color building in raw and opened them in Photoshop, I guess you could clearly see the difference between d800 and d800e.

    Fotopolis.pl: Nikon D800 i D800E - zdjcia plenerowe

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    Re: 800 vs 800E

    it`s nef, no raw

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    Re: 800 vs 800E

    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo View Post
    it`s nef, no raw
    .NEF is Nikon's extension for raw files.

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