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    D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    I got a Leitax adaptor for my ROM version 50 Cron R and have been using it for snapshot travel as my low light lens, with the 20-140 as daylight general purpose.

    The Cron is just lovely. It is so articulate with the D800E: there is some poetry to it I feel, and I will be using it a lot more...

    All these handheld at mostly around F4 or a bit less and at dusk through very low light gloaming...

    Everyone needs this lens. It is very sharp to edges and corners but also gentle and subtle.

    Half sized originals at:

    Tim Ashley Photography | D800E with 50 Cron R | _DSC0286







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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    amazing picture - thanks.

    BTW ..David from BCN, who makes Leitax adaptors need pic with D800 and leica lens on, if you have time for it..

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    He, he.....
    OT, Tim, but I think you need also the Lux R.
    Here on the Nex 7 ( still waiting for the d800)


    _DSC0420 by sergio lovisolo, on Flickr

    Cote d'azur?

    Sergio
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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by BSEH View Post
    amazing picture - thanks.

    BTW ..David from BCN, who makes Leitax adaptors need pic with D800 and leica lens on, if you have time for it..

    I'd be happy to do that for him but it'll have to wait...for the first time in my life I only have one camera with me!

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by sergio lovisolo View Post
    He, he.....
    OT, Tim, but I think you need also the Lux R.
    Here on the Nex 7 ( still waiting for the d800)



    Cote d'azur?

    Sergio
    Aaah... But I have the Noctilux f1 M for the Nex...
    ;-)

    Cote d'Azur yes... Beautiful, lovely light, photographically a bit uninspiring....

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Just out of curiosity Tim, Cap Ferrat?

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Everyone needs this lens. It is very sharp to edges and corners but also gentle and subtle.
    Looks like a smooth endorsement!

    Do you see moire?

    I have the older version (also in F mount). Fabulous lens.

    Your description, "sharp but also gentle and subtle", is spot on.

    You should do reviews!
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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by sergio lovisolo View Post
    Just out of curiosity Tim, Cap Ferrat?
    Cap d'Antibes...

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Looks like a smooth endorsement!

    Do you see moire?

    I have the older version (also in F mount). Fabulous lens.

    Your description, "sharp but also gentle and subtle", is spot on.

    You should do reviews!

    I see no moire so far - that shot of the sun loungers in the Fun with Nikon Images thread with 70-200VRII was supposed to show if there is any, since the fabric is a fine, regular plastic mesh. Nada!

    Last edited by tashley; 25th April 2012 at 07:47.

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    I'd be happy to do that for him but it'll have to wait...for the first time in my life I only have one camera with me!
    Thanks, sure when ever you have time, and 2 cameras..

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    A few more...






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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    This adapted 50 Cron R is so versatile - love it!





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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    last one is HDR ???

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    last one is HDR ???
    Every D800/E file is HDR!

    Just bump up the shadows slider and drop the blacks to compensate the contrast...


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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    It's amazing

    Can't wait to get my cron 90/2 on the D800 - I don't think it lives up to the ROM version, but i have high hope for it..

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    I think you'll enjoy it!


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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Hi Tim

    Thanks so much for these. I have been very interested in getting some Leica lesnes for my Nikon. I am curious about your experience with the usability of these lenses. Do you have to manually stop down the aperture? Any problems associated with that? I am using the D4 and D800e with the DK17m magnifier.

    Thank,

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Hubert, it's a pleasure to share something as fun as this! In fact, photography hasn't been so exciting for a while IMHO.

    I find it mildly glitchy to use but nothing that a half day experience won't sort out. I have very few problems with focus without a magnifier, more problems with using too slow a shutter: the lens is sharp, the pixels many, the demands great. I suggest at least a 1/200th if you want to be certain.

    There's a software bug in the D800/E that doesn't transmit the Non CPU Lens data to the Auto ISO system so I suggest using manual, set the shutter in daylight to 1/500th and the base ISO to 100, then select the aperture you want and if there's no available ISO that suits that combination, change the shutter speed. It's very quick. I also find that the D800 tends to overexpose most shots (clipping is everywhere and I constantly underexposing to compensate) but oddly often underexposes with the 50 Cron... something to do with the metering with non-cpu glass. However, again it sounds complex and is in fact dead easy once you know what you're doing.

    The results are just lovely. Here's one I posed in another thread, which just looks great on screen at bigger sizes.

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    That's fantastic. Thanks Tim. It sounds like shooting with stop down metering isn't too big of a challenge. Any tips on adapter Series 6 to thread filters?

    This latest shop is absolutely lovely. Love the colours! Was much post done to it?

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by hubertk View Post
    That's fantastic. Thanks Tim. It sounds like shooting with stop down metering isn't too big of a challenge. Any tips on adapter Series 6 to thread filters?
    Not sure what you mean Hubert... I used the Leitax, which was easy if not exactly trivial to install... but I only have the one lens and it's a bayonet R not a threaded mount.

    Quote Originally Posted by hubertk View Post
    This latest shop is absolutely lovely. Love the colours! Was much post done to it?
    Well, these days it's very hard to tell what is PP and what is merely making a choice in the development of a RAW file...


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    Wow I love the last ocean shot and through the buildings with the tree!

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Tim,
    Thank you so very much for posting these lovely images!
    I am now certain I made the right decision to wait for the D800E.
    You are absolutely correct in your description of the 50 cron.
    I only have the 100mm Macro-Elmarit now and I will certainly pick-up a Leica 50mm for use with my 800E.
    It is an exciting time now and being able to use these wonderful Leitz optics makes things really fun again.
    All the best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by hubertk View Post
    That's fantastic. Thanks Tim. It sounds like shooting with stop down metering isn't too big of a challenge. Any tips on adapter Series 6 to thread filters?

    This latest shop is absolutely lovely. Love the colours! Was much post done to it?
    If the stop down mode gives one a hard time, then consider replacing the focusing screen. On other cameras i use a Katzeye split screen, it does one nails it's every time. It can also be helpful to see when autofocus fails on your Af lenses.

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    Hi Tim

    Sorry I wasn't clear. With stopdown metering, I was mainly concerned about having to physically move my fingers to the aperture ring, after the focus is set. With this many megapixels, I wondered if the movement can cause negative impacts, especially in close distance from the subject, such as a portrait situation. I have never used any lens that requires me to manually stop down so it's all speculation. From what I have read so far, it doesn't seem to be as a big deal as I imagined it would be.

    Series 6 is the type of filter size used for Summicron R 50, at least in the 2 cam and 3 cam version. I plan on using the R lenses for video as well so I am trying to figure out how I can adapt a standard thread ND filter (say 52mm) to Leica's Series 6. Is anyone has any tips it will be greatly appreciated.

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    Hi BSEH

    Did you find the Katzeye screens cause any metering problems?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hubertk View Post
    Hi BSEH

    Did you find the Katzeye screens cause any metering problems?

    Thanks!
    Shoot with lenses from f/1.4 to f/2.8, i never had that problem, but depends on camera.

    The D800 is not tested yet with Katzeye, but i really don't expect any problems - that problem is most common on entry-level cameras.

    If any problems it's easy corrected on raw proces, with 1/3 - 2/3 stop EV exposure +/-.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phero66 View Post
    Wow I love the last ocean shot and through the buildings with the tree!

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikonf View Post
    Tim,
    Thank you so very much for posting these lovely images!
    I am now certain I made the right decision to wait for the D800E.
    You are absolutely correct in your description of the 50 cron.
    I only have the 100mm Macro-Elmarit now and I will certainly pick-up a Leica 50mm for use with my 800E.
    It is an exciting time now and being able to use these wonderful Leitz optics makes things really fun again.
    All the best,
    Mike
    It really is fun - I am going to pick up some more R glass if I can, the D800/E seems to me to be quite an easy manual focus if you allow yourself a bit of DOF...

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by hubertk View Post
    Hi Tim

    Sorry I wasn't clear. With stopdown metering, I was mainly concerned about having to physically move my fingers to the aperture ring, after the focus is set. With this many megapixels, I wondered if the movement can cause negative impacts, especially in close distance from the subject, such as a portrait situation. I have never used any lens that requires me to manually stop down so it's all speculation. From what I have read so far, it doesn't seem to be as a big deal as I imagined it would be.

    Series 6 is the type of filter size used for Summicron R 50, at least in the 2 cam and 3 cam version. I plan on using the R lenses for video as well so I am trying to figure out how I can adapt a standard thread ND filter (say 52mm) to Leica's Series 6. Is anyone has any tips it will be greatly appreciated.

    Hi Hubert - I have no problems with this but then I have been using manual aperture rings for years with the Leica M series. However, if you are shooting at wide open apertures you need to practice counting clicks on the aperture ring as you stop down after focus: on this lens, it's four clicks from F2 to F4 and I do it without moving the camera from my eye...

    As for filters I am afraid I'm no expert... I haven't used one on this lens yet and would probably go no further than a polariser, UV or ND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hubertk View Post
    Hi Tim

    Sorry I wasn't clear. With stopdown metering, I was mainly concerned about having to physically move my fingers to the aperture ring, after the focus is set. With this many megapixels, I wondered if the movement can cause negative impacts, especially in close distance from the subject, such as a portrait situation. I have never used any lens that requires me to manually stop down so it's all speculation. From what I have read so far, it doesn't seem to be as a big deal as I imagined it would be.

    Series 6 is the type of filter size used for Summicron R 50, at least in the 2 cam and 3 cam version. I plan on using the R lenses for video as well so I am trying to figure out how I can adapt a standard thread ND filter (say 52mm) to Leica's Series 6. Is anyone has any tips it will be greatly appreciated.
    You guys seem to be experts on Leica denomination. Can someone explain me whats the difference between 2 cam and 3 cam version and what is ROM ??
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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio Chagin View Post
    You guys seem to be experts on Leica denomination. Can someone explain me whats the difference between 2 cam and 3 cam version and what is ROM ??
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    I am not and I only know that none of these designations matter while using these lenses on a non R camera*.

    * R line is the Leica's orphaned reflex camera line. It was never really considered a "proper" Leica during its existence. Not much has changed after its demise either.

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    I am no expert either but the Cams are I think increasingly sophisticated ways of mechanically communicating lens with camera, the more recent ROM versions have a chip and electrical contacts for doing so electronically. AFAIK the glass is roughly analogous in performance and quality with the M line designations. But as Vivek says, there's no effective difference when adapted to Nikon though I think Leitax might make a chip adaptor add-on that allows more EXIF to be sent over. Otherwise, lens designs changed over time and as is usually the case with Leica, there are people who preferred the old ones over the newer or vice versa for particular 'look'...

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    * R line.....It was never really considered a "proper" Leica during its existence. Not much has changed after its demise either.
    I think there are many Leica R owners who would strongly disagree.

    Personally, I think the rangefinder bias of some Leica owners (those who might declare that a reflex Leica is not a "proper" Leica) is rubbish.

    To those folks, I suppose the "S" line is not a proper Leica either. Thankfully, Leica has seen fit to broaden it's base beyond the rangefinder world. I only wish they had continued development of the R series. I would love to buy a 36mp Leica R10 today and use all of my Leica R lenses on both a film and digital Leica R body.

    Despite Leica's ill advised decision to abandon the R line, if there is one thing that has always set Leica apart, it's their lenses (whether M, R or S).

    The continued appeal of Leica R lenses (such as Tim's 50mm Summicron) for use on non-Leica cameras is a testament to their enduring value.

    Gary

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    D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?


    There's a useful net based list here: USING LEICA-R LENSES ON CANON dSLRs

    Right under the list you can jump between the pages 1 - 7.

    Basically the lens database was made as a register for compatibility with Canon, but it is still useful in general for looking up model number, production year, version number (optical formula), and serial numbers.


    And then there's the Leica Compendium

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/leica-...tml#post373627

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio Chagin View Post
    You guys seem to be experts on Leica denomination. Can someone explain me whats the difference between 2 cam and 3 cam version and what is ROM ??
    Thanks..
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    The purpose whit cam is to communicate the aperture information to the camera body.

    2 cam versions is due to system change and maintain backward compatibility with older Leicaflex cameras, new lenses were released with two cams.

    3 cam was because the new camera(R series designed in collaboration with Minolta) had auto exposure features, this meant adding another cam, bringing the total to three.

    In the early 1990's, Leica decided to embed a ROM chip into each lens, to communicate electronically with the camera body, for flash control and exif data.

    From the 1 cam to the ROM the lenses is optically identical. Some says newer and better coating on the ROM ver , other say it's .


    Leica don't tell, so who really know what is the truth. I guess it's the same as Zeiss T* coating, newer lens has better coating due to better technique handling the coating ?



    But i really don't know

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    I think there are many Leica R owners who would strongly disagree.

    Personally, I think the rangefinder bias of some Leica owners (those who might declare that a reflex Leica is not a "proper" Leica) is rubbish.

    To those folks, I suppose the "S" line is not a proper Leica either. Thankfully, L
    Gary
    +1

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    So they are good glasses to work with no matter what denomination.
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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Great Reading Steen. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Beautiful images. I love the colors particularly as displayed on your zenfolio site (where they are easier to see on my screen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio Chagin View Post
    So they are good glasses to work with no matter what denomination.
    There is no difference between cam versions, only if you want to use it on an original camera.

    When you convert it to the Nikon F, you remove Cam's and ROM electrodes anyway. And it's the same optical form, so there's only coating theories back.

    Was Leica better to coat their lenses in 1986 than they were in 1964? Yeah sure, but hundreds or thousands of dollars worth? I don't think so.

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    I think there are many Leica R owners who would strongly disagree.

    Personally, I think the rangefinder bias of some Leica owners (those who might declare that a reflex Leica is not a "proper" Leica) is rubbish.

    To those folks, I suppose the "S" line is not a proper Leica either. Thankfully, Leica has seen fit to broaden it's base beyond the rangefinder world. I only wish they had continued development of the R series. I would love to buy a 36mp Leica R10 today and use all of my Leica R lenses on both a film and digital Leica R body.

    Despite Leica's ill advised decision to abandon the R line, if there is one thing that has always set Leica apart, it's their lenses (whether M, R or S).

    The continued appeal of Leica R lenses (such as Tim's 50mm Summicron) for use on non-Leica cameras is a testament to their enduring value.

    Gary

    Hey Gary, I am (still) a R owner/user. The S isn't a proper Leica. I agree. Take look at the S1. It can take any lens in any mount.
    Value, in terms of $ has plummeted. Another reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio Chagin View Post

    So they are good glasses to work with no matter what denomination.

    I'm afraid it's not quite that simple.

    Here quoting Karen Nakamura:

    "Although older lenses were originally made with 1- or 2-cams, Leica offered an upgrade service to bring them up to 3-cams (you can also modify a R-only or ROM-only lens backwards to 3-cam as well, although you lose the ROM contacts if you do this).
    So just because a lens has 3-cams doesn't mean that it is a second-generation lens. You have to use other factors in determining the lens version such as the distinct profile of each version, the serial number, the presence or absence of a built-in lens hood; or the weight."


    Leica R Mount SLR Lenses - Photoethnography.com's Classic Camera DB

    In other words you cannot identify the version just by looking at the cams, you'll have to focus on the engraved Serial Number to find out which Model Number (version / optical formula) the lens is.

    My advice would be to ask the knowledgeable Leica folks on the Leica board before you decide which model (i.e. range of engraved Serial Numbers) of a specific lens to start looking for.



    Also read John Black's comments on the pebbleplace dot com website:

    Go to these paragraphs:

    "A WORD OF CAUTION WHEN PURCHASING USED LENSES"

    "DO YOUR HOMEWORK"


    DECODING THE LEICA-R DATABASE

    Personally I used to concentrate on Serial Numbers back in the days when I searched for R lenses, using John Black's Leica R lens database and in that way identifying the different (!) Version I, II or III optical formulas.

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Like to use a Leica 19 mm but you have to modify the shroud. Oh wait I have done this before. LOL

    Need to find my file. Had it stored for years.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    There is information for years reading about Leica lenses, but most of it's based on a completely different context than using lenses on digital sensors.

    So instead of doing homework look at Tims pictures, and go buy a 50 summicron-R, and have some fun..

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by BSEH View Post
    There is information for years reading about Leica lenses, but most of it's based on a completely different context than using lenses on digital sensors.

    So instead of doing homework look at Tims pictures, and go buy a 50 summicron-R, and have some fun..
    Keep talking them prices up buddy!


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    Yours for sale ... ?

    Yes, me and my big mouth - lost 2 auctions on Ebay today ...

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by BSEH View Post
    Yours for sale ... ?
    Sorry Buddy...


    Quote Originally Posted by BSEH View Post
    Yes, me and my big mouth - lost 2 auctions on Ebay today ...
    Try some of the London dealers, Caplan or Red Dot, they often have these things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Sorry Buddy...




    Try some of the London dealers, Caplan or Red Dot, they often have these things...
    Thanks.. about the d800 - I'll send a pvt.

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    Erwin Puts original (2005) "Leica Lens Compendium", without illustrations, is available as a free PDF download (with permission of the author) here:

    http://www.furnfeather.net/books/pdf/llcforweb.pdf

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    Re: D800E with 50 Cron R: match made in Heaven?

    i'd like to see a comparison using a 50 cron vs current zeiss vs 50 contax 1,7 and 1,4

    is there a way to mount my contax 28, 35, 50/1,7 on a D800 ?

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