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    Any opinions on Lloyd Chambers and his website?

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    Re: Diglloyd

    Any reason for this same question in three forums?
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    Shades of Flatland ,,,,

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    Interested in how this evolves...:face smack:

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Interested in how this evolves...:face smack:
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    Did you post this here in error? It makes no sense.

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    Re: Diglloyd

    Or does it?

    Fascinating reference, glad for the link.

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    Re: Diglloyd

    Quote Originally Posted by donaldlavay View Post
    Any opinions on Lloyd Chambers and his website?
    Yes, I've got one.
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    Re: Diglloyd

    So do I

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    Re: Diglloyd

    As do I: excellent

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    Re: Diglloyd

    I had one. Now, let's see, where was it? …it's in here somewhere.

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    Re: Diglloyd

    I do have an opinion.
    I do not have a subscription.
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    Re: Diglloyd

    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Ostling View Post
    It makes no sense.
    Hi Allan,

    Posting the question without a reference point to direct a response on this forum with has such a nuanced sophisticated interchange of ideas and knowledge seemed akin to the Flatlanders perception of 3D objects as they inflected the 2D plane of their existence. Probably the three forum question seemed like the Flanders need of an extra dimensional
    framework to understand the 3D inflection.

    Perhaps a corollary would be the blind men describing the elephant...lots of points which would be hard to transpose into the reality of the animal. I am unsure that those of us describing the elephant would be likely to give a comprehensive congruent answer to the somewhat ill defined question.

    A random thought that I might have omitted from the thread....


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    Wow Did you guys not have your expresso ? The forum is full of hundreds of incredibly stupid questions about which lens is better ...without an once of context . Yet no one jumps on the OP ? Why not just ask the OP some questions rather than pointing out that his question is too open ended ?

    I have been a long time supporter of Diglloyd because he really makes an effort to produce excellent equipment tests . While his opinion shines through (sometimes too much) ....his testing is first rate . He provides more than enough samples to understand the overall IQ as well as the character of a lens .

    If you are putting together a new kit ..he can save you plenty of time in evaluating alternative lenses . Its one heck of a lot better than asking a landscape photographer which wide angle he prefers when you want the lens for travel shots .

    Is it worth the price ...this depends on how you plan to use the information . And with any testing oriented site ..you have to filter some of the natural bias that is inherent in any review .
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    Re: Diglloyd

    My experience with Digiloyd - EXCEPTIONAL!

    I occasionally stumbled over his website and after hesitating for a while, I subscribed (meanwhile I became pretty careful about that in general - Sean Reid for example did never meet my expectations). My first subscription was to Carl Zeiss lens tests. Meanwhile I have a 1.4/35 ZF.2 on my D800E and could not be happier! All what the tests he provides unveiled is TRUE! And the tests are largely based on real photography, not test charts and MTF curves, which anybody can read from anywhere in the net.

    I plan to do some more lens purchases based on his tests.

    Subscribed later to the Leica guide and as I own most of the M glass I only can reiterate - he is pretty much spot on with his tests and results!

    And what I like most is, he has a very informative and non aggressive style of writing / posting / blogging, which is hard to find elsewhere in the net.

    Great site to subscribe to, check it out!

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    Re: Diglloyd

    Lloyd is a friend and we exchange information on testing gear a lot of the time -- I value his efforts and insights. Additionally, Lloyd has been very helpful to me personally with his knowledge and tests of Mac-specific computer hardware and peripherals.

    Some heavily tech-savvy folks criticize him at times for certain simplifications in his explanations or reliance on benchmarks that may or may not be relevant to the real-world application. Regardless, they are necessary for baseline comparison and ability to appeal to the broadest sector of readership.

    He is also often criticized for his subscription model where he gives the overviews away for free, but if you want the meat you must pay to see them. Here I am sympathetic as well -- it requires a significant investment of both time and money to operate and maintain a quality, informative website, and if you're not getting compensated for it, you can loose interest pretty quickly. (Yes, I am speaking from experience.)

    In short, I like Lloyd and feel he is one of the good guys in our cause
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    Quote Originally Posted by donaldlavay View Post
    Any opinions on Lloyd Chambers and his website?
    I had a subscription, but did not find it very useful for my Micro Four Thirds system. Diglloyd is geared to those with DSLRs, especially Nikon and Canon.

    This is, of course, the Nikon forum, so I expect my comment will not resonate with most of you. I am on this forum only because I recently acquired a Nikon V1. I'll be taking that on a trip to the Baltic countries in August.
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    Re: Diglloyd

    I subscribe to Lloyd's site and find it invaluable. I have a new Nikon D800e and made my lens selections from information offered primarily from two sources...Guy's reviews here and Lloyd's reviews... FYI...I decided on Nikon 24 1.4G, 14-24 g, 35 1.4g, 50 1.4g, 85 1.4g, and zeiss 100 2 makro. I highly recommend Lloyd's site...he has saved me $$$ by helping me make wise purchase decisions. Eleanor

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    I'm still here and on a little break from the forum myself and I also follow Lloyd and his impressions on things. I find it a good resource for everyone as you can certainly gain some insight to a lot if gear. Lloyd as Jack mentioned is a friend of ours and we support each others efforts in bringing the best information that our experiences in the field can bring. Like anything look at the data as a piece of the puzzle your trying to solve. No one can fully answer your total question directly but getting info from several good sources is the best way to learn.
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    And yes I am behind on a lot if my testing as well. Myself I have been busy working and now heading for vacation this week but I do have some stuff in store.
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    I do have a subscription, but I think I will let it lapse now that it is coming up for renewal for the third year. Partly I just have the Zeiss lenses I want for my D800, and know which are the ones I might add, and partly I have just learned much of what he has on his site on my own accord.

    I never had a problem with the pay model.

    I would recommend that if you want to get up to speed on Zeiss lenses, or if you are looking for detailed information on how to make sharp photos, or if you want access to reviews of some oddball high-end equipment like the Pentax 645D or the Leica S2, then it is worth a one-year subscription, and after that you can decide yourself if you want to renew.

    I hesitate to say this, given that he apparently has friends here, but I do feel that his approach has slipped a little in the last year or so. I feel that he is less careful about presenting the facts in a neutral way, and has moved more into an editorial style, where his opinion is given more free reign, and therefore I don't always find what I am looking for, or I am sometimes less keen on the delivery of the information. This clearly does not ruin what he has built, but it does make it a bit less interesting than in the past to subscribe. All in my opinion only, of course. Still a good deal for that first year, if you need what he has.
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    Interesting Carsten maybe that is true as i have noticed it a little more lately. My reviews at least in my style is more in shooting real world stuff and not the same subject all the time. For some folks they may like my approach more or less for that matter. I try and stay less technical and more about real world but that is my way and how I test gear, its usually very sound in the shooting and very neutral in the processing and I am very neutral in the approach but do have strong opinions on what is good and what is not. We all do this stuff differently for sure and it does come down to who and what kind of data is being presented. So you make a very good observation here and Lloyd may or may not hit the data you are after and certainly can be said about all the reviewers out there in photo land. Like anything else everyone with camera is a expert now. Some stuff I read is pure garbage but I do scan Lloyds stuff and find the little extra comments helpful.
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    My opinion: I have had a subscription twice - interesting read BUT IMO very theoretic. He draws conclusions based on few test shots. In case of the S2 he criticized some things (AF) which I could not confirm based on my real world experience. But who believes anything we read in reviews anyways. And then there is sample variation as well.
    In the end I find reading reviews is interesting, but never tells the whole truth. Most important is to check out products yourself and see if it works for you.

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    I'm new here, have stayed away from forums for a number of reasons the least of which is evidenced by the first set of responses to this man's question.

    Some people may ask questions that are less than obvious and some may even think them to be pedestrian, I get that. But why the demeaning response at this mans expense is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Interesting Carsten maybe that is true as i have noticed it a little more lately. My reviews at least in my style is more in shooting real world stuff and not the same subject all the time. For some folks they may like my approach more or less for that matter. I try and stay less technical and more about real world but that is my way and how I test gear, its usually very sound in the shooting and very neutral in the processing and I am very neutral in the approach but do have strong opinions on what is good and what is not. We all do this stuff differently for sure and it does come down to who and what kind of data is being presented. So you make a very good observation here and Lloyd may or may not hit the data you are after and certainly can be said about all the reviewers out there in photo land. Like anything else everyone with camera is a expert now. Some stuff I read is pure garbage but I do scan Lloyds stuff and find the little extra comments helpful.
    Yeah, I just find that he is getting a little too easy on equipment he likes and a little too harsh on equipment he doesn't. Anyway, the information is there.

    I like your style of reviews because it is the firehose approach, everything is there, only sorting is needed Lots and lots of shots. I still remember (with melancholy) the DMR Bible
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiritshooter View Post
    I'm new here, have stayed away from forums for a number of reasons the least of which is evidenced by the first set of responses to this man's question.

    Some people may ask questions that are less than obvious and some may even think them to be pedestrian, I get that. But why the demeaning response at this mans expense is beyond me.
    I cannot answer for anyone else, but in my case, I did not like how this poster is fairly new, and has contributed little to the forum, but asks a wide open question which invites personal opinions, not factual ones. I feel that soliciting strong opinions from a hidden position is not the most honest way to operate. The phrasing just felt loaded. I would have answered much quicker if he had written something like: "I am trying to figure out if the subscription price to Lloyd Chamber's site is worth the asking price, but need more information. I use the following equipment: X, Y, Z, and am considering: A, B".
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    I agree its almost throw the dear guy under the bus question the way it is phrased. Some folks certainly like what he does and certainly some folks do not. But regardless of that he is a good guy and try's very hard to make sense of it all and for that my hats off to him. I know how much work is involved and the time invested in it and its not easy work. Anyone that tries and makes a valiant effort at reviews deserves some credit cause you certainly will eat hay on whatever you write and you better have thick skin or you won't last very long.
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    I agree its almost throw the dear guy under the bus question the way it is phrased
    That made me laugh, Guy.

    To the OP: I think from the variety of non-opinions your question received it might be becoming clear that the question was too broad, perhaps. If you care to refine it, who knows what might be revealed.

    I have had a subscription also since the beginning (along with one to Sean Reid's site); I have found both have saved me money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    I cannot answer for anyone else, but in my case, I did not like how this poster is fairly new, and has contributed little to the forum, but asks a wide open question which invites personal opinions, not factual ones. I feel that soliciting strong opinions from a hidden position is not the most honest way to operate. The phrasing just felt loaded. I would have answered much quicker if he had written something like: "I am trying to figure out if the subscription price to Lloyd Chamber's site is worth the asking price, but need more information. I use the following equipment: X, Y, Z, and am considering: A, B".
    Of course the OP would have received a more useful response if he had provided a context ....and you could have just asked him . Is it Ok to make fun of the OP with the first dozen posts ...it completely undermines any chance of a useful dialog ?

    You don t like the poster because he is new and has contributed little to the forum..because he might have a hidden agenda ? Guess you put your feelings on the table but I find this out of character to what Jack and Guy have tried to support .

    Generally I think its much better to provide constructive input or just pass on commenting . This type of post drives new members away .

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    I don't get it. The OP makes three posts in three separate forums and leaves. His only other posts on GetDPI go back to January 4th. A little interaction would go a long way, even perhaps a thank you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    Of course the OP would have received a more useful response if he had provided a context ....and you could have just asked him . Is it Ok to make fun of the OP with the first dozen posts
    Yes, a little ribbing was in order

    You don t like the poster because he is new and has contributed little to the forum..
    Whoa, whoa, I didn't say I didn't like him. I don't know him. I didn't like the phrasing of his question. It read more like a drive by shooting than an attempt at a meaningful discussion; more the style of someone looking for information with no skin in the deal, than someone trying to contribute. Maybe I am wrong, but I note that the OP hasn't returned to elaborate or otherwise join the discussion, so we just don't know.

    The OP has a total of six posts in his entire history. Three about the 50/2.8 AF/LS Phase lenses, and three identical postings of this question. Just saying'...
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    Re: Diglloyd

    Admin note: This same question has appeared in 3 separate forums and has generated some controversy in at least one, so I am closing all 3 down. I understand and respect everybody's stance on this one -- the phrasing of the OP's question does bring up the concerns mentioned, and it did generate some snarky responses. But snarky falls short of rude and why I let it ride. However, at this juncture I am going to close all 3 threads before they head further off course. Thanks to all who have participated so far, and let's wait for the OP to gain some traction and hopefully rephrase a single new question should he desire more information than already supplied.
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