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    New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Information here: Carl Zeiss AG, Deutschland
    Sounds very, very promising! price in the EU about EUR 1.900,-
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I want it. LOL
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I want it. LOL
    You and how many others...LOL!

    I can see this becoming a very popular lens if performance characteristics are held to a very high standard. Uses standard 77mm front filter size which should be of great benefit to most.

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    It is on my buy list for next year

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I want it. LOL
    Guy. Is there a piece of photo equipment that you don't want? I think it would be easier to list those.....
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Very interesting indeed. I like the MFD of 0.8m that gives a magnification of 1:4.
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Stephens View Post
    Guy. Is there a piece of photo equipment that you don't want? I think it would be easier to list those.....
    I have a reputation to uphold. LOL
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    As I already have the Nikon 35 1.4G, I am torn between the Zeiss 25/2.0 and the 15/2.8 I know the cost difference is significant but the focal length is as well.

    Also, can anyone explain the difference between the ZE glass and the ZF2.0?
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Stephens View Post

    Also, can anyone explain the difference between the ZE glass and the ZF2.0?
    Bryan,

    ZE glass fits Canon *E*OS, ZF glass fits Nikon *F* mount; I believe the optical formulas are all the same. The .2 on ZF lenses is generation 2 that allows for aperture control from the camera's command wheel, while gen 1 lenses required you to use the aperture ring on the lens.
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Stephens View Post
    Also, can anyone explain the difference between the ZE glass and the ZF2.0?
    ZE - Canon mount
    ZF.2 - Nikon mount

    Lens is otherwise the same for both mounts.

    I want one!!!!!!

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Thank you both for clarifying that for me.

    Now I just need to get my printing press fixed so I can afford them.
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Two issues ? Size and weight .....and long throw . If you are familiar with the 100/2 Makro ..it has a long throw because it has close focusing . The new 35/1.4 follows this design and now it appears that the 135/2 will also . My understanding not being a cinematographer ..is that this is highly sought after for video applications . The size and the weight you can easily see ..but using a lens with a long throw for street ,events ,weddings ,family can be a challenge . The older 85/1.4 ...not nearly the same IQ is however a dream to snap in and out of focus .

    I am not down on this lens and there aren t many alternatives and probably none that match this focal length for IQ .....but how the lens handles is important especially in manual focus .

    If you want the other extreme ..the Leica R 180/2.8APO has a focusing mount designed for reportage and sports ...its very smooth and fast .

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    Two issues ? Size and weight .....and long throw . If you are familiar with the 100/2 Makro ..it has a long throw because it has close focusing . The new 35/1.4 follows this design and now it appears that the 135/2 will also . My understanding not being a cinematographer ..is that this is highly sought after for video applications . The size and the weight you can easily see ..but using a lens with a long throw for street ,events ,weddings ,family can be a challenge . The older 85/1.4 ...not nearly the same IQ is however a dream to snap in and out of focus .

    I am not down on this lens and there aren t many alternatives and probably none that match this focal length for IQ .....but how the lens handles is important especially in manual focus .

    If you want the other extreme ..the Leica R 180/2.8APO has a focusing mount designed for reportage and sports ...its very smooth and fast .
    Roger,

    You're right. This is a case of different strokes for different folks. As a landscape shooter, I love the long throw, and the weight doesn't bother me because I shoot from a tripod much of the time. In fact, for street, events, weddings, family, etc., I'd use one of the Nikon AF lenses.

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    Roger,

    You're right. This is a case of different strokes for different folks. As a landscape shooter, I love the long throw, and the weight doesn't bother me because I shoot from a tripod much of the time. In fact, for street, events, weddings, family, etc., I'd use one of the Nikon AF lenses.

    Joe
    You are of course right ..it always depends on the application . I shoot a little landscape more around the ocean and its a big difference when you can get pretty close verse carrying a load . Had to laugh last fall in Apsen I was shooting at Mirror lake before dawn ..you could hear the guys pulling their suitcases full of gear up to the key locations . A big difference from walking 3-5 miles on the street .

    I think this is going to be a great lens just not sure it will work for my applications .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Bryan,

    ZE glass fits Canon *E*OS, ZF glass fits Nikon *F* mount; I believe the optical formulas are all the same. The .2 on ZF lenses is generation 2 that allows for aperture control from the camera's command wheel, while gen 1 lenses required you to use the aperture ring on the lens.
    ZE has to use camera for aperture control and a lot of us have adapted ZF(.2s) to Canon just to have the external aperture control on the ZF(.2) series....especially useful for video.

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    No doubt in my mind that I will buy one. Its the perfect focal length for me and I will only buy in Nikon mount so that, if I switch back to Canon, I can still use it. I don't care about history EXIF for Canon..... I can always add any data with an audio from a quick 10 second video.

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    Roger, Joe & all,

    You're both exactly right! Application is everything! There are times long throw focusing is a blesssing and at other time a curse (well relatively speaking). Optical performance is of course 1st in my book, but how well one can accurately focus and achieve the desired result, isn't far behind. There is no way the design of a particular lens can satisfy everyone, but Zeiss has been extremely good in designing lenses that are quite versitile for a wide variety of applications.

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I feared something like that would appear on the horizon. Very bad news for my wallet. Good thing I don't need the $5,700 cine version

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    And here's the marketing dept:

    Carl Zeiss Lenses - Apo Sonnar T* 2/135 - YouTube

    With that kind of "non-marketing", they'd rather keep the quality of their products high
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I'm much more interested in the new Zeiss 55 1.4
    It looks like a no compromise lens at most likely a no compromise price.

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Finally I got my lens today
    Hopefully I'll find some time for test shots tomorrow.
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I am truly envious...........looks beautiful!

    It is amazing how different the coatings are between the Zeiss Sony ZA and Zeiss ZF2 manual focus lenses.

    Please post your images when you have a chance.

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    Finally I got my lens today
    Hopefully I'll find some time for test shots tomorrow.

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    [QUOTE=Y Sol;506169]Finally I got my lens today
    Hopefully I'll find some time for test shots tomorrow.[/QUOTE

    Lovely piece of Glass.. the MTF is pretty awesome.. this is wide open..

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    New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Y Sol, how easy or difficult do you find it to manually focus the 135mm focal length ?

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    The pics available on line do not tell a fantastic story so far!

    For Macro, the 100 is sharper
    For Bokeh, the 85 is more delirious
    For Landscape the 100 is brighter
    For Portraits, the 100 is again sharper and the 85 more Bokehlicious

    We are left for Reach!

    I have one on order but so far it seems it will be making a round trip unless more and better pics show up.

    I suppose, if I did not have both the 100 and 85, I would be looking at the 135...it seems it is positioned to be the "Compromise" lens!

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Here a quick size comparison with the 14-24 and 70-200.
    I find the lens better to hold/use on the D3x than on the D800 (with MB-D12)
    Manually focus is on the d3x a bit easier than on the D800.
    But... sharpness @F2 on the D800
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I'm not a landscape shooter, I shoot mostly hotel interiors, food, spa and wellness.
    In this test shot, my aim was to show how sharp the lens is and how clean the highlights are.
    So I did a quick setup which you could find in a hotel lobby or bar.
    Camera settings: neutral, color: 4550K, ISO 200, distance ca. 3meter.
    I focused with live view on the "Scheibel" letters.

    I don't believe that the Zeiss MP 100 could do this better @F2 (I had this lens)
    Full scene and some 100% crops
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Another one, F2, distance ca. 1 meter
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    How does this glass compare to Nikons 135 f2 DC

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I'm buying one of these either the Nikon or the Zeiss and love to hear a comparision on them. What I have read so far has been slightly bias on the Zeiss and not sure i trust the source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y Sol View Post
    Another one, F2, distance ca. 1 meter
    Really excellent examples....the observation about clean highlights is important as it contributes to the overall brilliance of the images .

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I have to admit the example images look, well, frigging perfect.
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    Yea it's scary good
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I can see those gears in your head turning from three states away
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Wow, would love to see more samples.... Looks great, thanks for sharing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I can see those gears in your head turning from three states away
    I can hear them from the South of England. With earmuffs on....

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I can't find one anywhere in stock
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    In Germany you can find the lens here: Zeiss-Objektive - Foto Birwe
    It's a Zeiss Premium Dealer.

    I'll try to do a comparison at infinity distance with the 70-200 VII tomorrow

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Well. FWIW I got my copy on Monday and yesterday it went back. Sharpness OK in the center but falling off towards the edges, slightly worse on the left hand side. Had to stop down to f8 for reasonable sharpness across the field. This at long distance. Marginally better at close range. Surprisingly easy to nail focus on the D800E.
    Hopefully a bad sample, next shipment to arrive in 3-4 weeks.

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    From this Morning: @F2





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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    another one: F2

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    It's an amazing lens


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryc View Post
    It's an amazing lens

    Wow!
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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    [QUOTE=Y Sol;506857]From this Morning: @F2

    Looks very 3d, nice lens... Reminds me of the 200 f/2

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    here is a larger version. for some reason it was reduced here.

    http://ag2si.com/gallery/1/U1I1365125063.SEQ.0.jpg

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    I was able to snag one of these lenses at my local dealer and it is a stunning lens for portraits...

    Here are some samples taken with a Nikon D800e:


    Leica Girl... by onesixeight88, on Flickr


    Somber Mood... by onesixeight88, on Flickr


    Lexi at Pioneer Square by onesixeight88, on Flickr


    Lexi Brick Wall (D800e & 135 APO Sonnar) by onesixeight88, on Flickr

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Hvaring View Post
    Well. FWIW I got my copy on Monday and yesterday it went back. Sharpness OK in the center but falling off towards the edges, slightly worse on the left hand side. Had to stop down to f8 for reasonable sharpness across the field. This at long distance. Marginally better at close range. Surprisingly easy to nail focus on the D800E.
    Hopefully a bad sample, next shipment to arrive in 3-4 weeks.
    A short update: Got my second copy last week. Unfortunately much of the same, but worse on the right-hand side this time. Considerable COF turning towards the camera near the edge. When focusing with liveview on the right edge it gets better (than focusing in the center) but not really sharp.
    What's going on at Zeiss? My 100mm Makro Planar is superb across the field and now this.
    I'm giving up on this lens at least for the time beeing.

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    Re: New Zeiss Apo 2.0 135

    haven't been active here lately...let's kick off again with some 135 ZF shots on the D600


    DSC_1446_v1 by dalegaspi, on Flickr


    DSC_1291_v2 by dalegaspi, on Flickr


    DSC_1329_v1 by dalegaspi, on Flickr

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