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    downgrading from D4 to D800

    Is this a mistake ? By this I mean strictly at a camera level not necessarily what kind of photography I do or what best fits my needs. I am not a pro so besides the pro body vs the prosumer body, is there really an advantage to the D4 that is worth the extras cash ? I have it up in FS/FT willing to trade for a D800 plus cash. Will I regret this ?

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Unless you take picture of sports, wildlife, like birds, or running kids, the D4's real advantage is its AF tracking over the lesser models. For still subject matter or control over strobes, the D800 will offer simply better IQ. Also the pro Body is built for more adverse weather conditions, so if your travels take you there, this is the better body.
    It is really dependent on your priorities as a shooter, but really should you be offering cash as well as the D4 body?
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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    but really should you be offering cash as well as the D4 body?


    That's a D800 + cash = my D4

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

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    That's a D800 + cash = my D4
    Ha, my lack of sleep obviously is showing its signs.
    Wouldn't it be better or easier just to sell your D4 for cash and then buy a D800.

    Oh another thing is, I don't know what lenses you already have, the d800 is a lot more demanding of the lenses, and now the D600 is out, you may want to weigh your options depending what you are after!
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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by ryc View Post
    Is this a mistake ? By this I mean strictly at a camera level not necessarily what kind of photography I do or what best fits my needs.
    You really are missing the point of the two cameras there. It is entirely dependent on subject and shoot conditions. Bad weather or things that move fast = D4. Image quality or smaller size at the expense of everything else = D800. No right or wrong answer, both are excellent when used as intended.

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    My friends that shoot fashion much prefer the D4 ..because of the large buffer and the speed of shooting . Waiting for the camera to process a series of very large files kills the flow .

    Same for sports ...D4 blows away anything else except maybe the Canon Pro bodies .

    For less demanding AF ,continuous capture rates and durability ....the D800/E is right there and produces an unsurpassed file .

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    I won't repeat the excellent comments by others, but one additional consideration is for those that shoot in low light conditions needing excellent high to very high ISO performance. This too is one of the great D4 strengths. For example, I often shoot performing arts in extremely low stage lighting conditions. Combine this with performers often in movement and this is where a D4 would excel, especially where many shots are hand held. Both superb cameras, each with certain strengths the other one may be weak in (relatively speaking).

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    Dave,

    Excellent point. I shoot a lot of Bodybuilding / Fitness competitions which are not exactly the best lit things, and while I like to shoot the D800, when the lighting is a bit questionable, I go to the D3s due to the better capabilities in low light.
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    don't do it.
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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    thanks for all the feedback. But for me it came down to size. No question the d4 is awesome but for my needs the d800 will suffice ( for now ). Then again I go through cameras like tissue paper

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Well. That was a mistake :0

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Flipper's remorse? The D3s/D4 is the epitome of Nikon's pro body design and the D800 isn't. Once you've spent years knowing where everything is on the big D's it takes a while to adapt to the smaller brother.

    I don't think that I'm alone in wanting to see the D800's sensor in a D4 body. The feel is different and in fact I added a grip to my own D600 because I missed that 'full body' experience. My D800 I'm leaving as-is as I don't tend to take it with me all the time so it's less of a concern.
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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Flipper's remorse? The D3s/D4 is the epitome of Nikon's pro body design and the D800 isn't. Once you've spent years knowing where everything is on the big D's it takes a while to adapt to the smaller brother.

    I don't think that I'm alone in wanting to see the D800's sensor in a D4 body. The feel is different and in fact I added a grip to my own D600 because I missed that 'full body' experience. My D800 I'm leaving as-is as I don't tend to take it with me all the time so it's less of a concern.
    Interestingly, I think a D4 sized D800 (with maybe even higher resolution) would be very desireable and then again a D800 sized D4 (like the D700 sized D3), has also been requested by quite a few.

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Dave,

    You know the correct answer - BOTH!
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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

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    Dave,

    You know the correct answer - BOTH!
    I couldn't agree more. Mix & Match for ones own needs!

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Finally sold the D800 and picked up another D4. The 800 just wasn't for me.

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by ryc View Post
    Finally sold the D800 and picked up another D4. The 800 just wasn't for me.
    This doesn't surprise me... I have both and much prefer the D4.. excellent ergonomic's and plenty of detail in the files..

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by ryc View Post
    Finally sold the D800 and picked up another D4. The 800 just wasn't for me.
    This doesn't surprise me either. I still say that the D3s/D4 are the best cameras Nikon has ever produced. Resolution isn't everything!
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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    This doesn't surprise me either. I still say that the D3s/D4 are the best cameras Nikon has ever produced. Resolution isn't everything!
    No it definitely isn't everything, although I wish the D4 had a bit more. If it had something approaching the 24MP of the D600, I would then have the combination of performance characteristics I need for a number of particular shoots that have very specific requirements. Of course at a lower price point than $6000.00 wouldn't hurt either (well it is the season for giving...LOL!)

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Don't forget the D3X, except for all those dust bunnies
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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    This doesn't surprise me either. I still say that the D3s/D4 are the best cameras Nikon has ever produced. Resolution isn't everything!
    I'd agree with that. Have been through plenty of Nikon bodies. Bought the D3s just under 3 years ago and it's been an amazingly capable camera.

    Based on my needs, I would only go for the D800 if it was in addition to a D4 or D3s. But, I understand there are people who will find the reverse is true.

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Resolution isn't everything!
    No... weight, size, and price all matter too!

    Joking aside, I agree; horses for courses. I personally have no use for a camera like the D4 but it's not hard to see why it's essential to so many others.

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    In case we are talking pro environment, you need minimum 2 same bodies to work with and a third just in case.

    Having a mix of D3s/x - D4 - D800/E is asking for complication in the shoot for many issues such as File size PP - Memory cards - batteries....etc.
    It is counter productive to switch cameras and re get switched to the controls in a fast moving environment being it fashion or sports..etc

    We tried a D4 and returned it as it did not offer any "tangible additional" value to the 3Ds we use.
    I cannot see converting our bank of 3Ds for D4 unless a new D4s gets released with higher specs. And even then, they have to drop the silly new memory card released for video work!

    On the reverse side and for studio work, we have replaced the D3x with the D800/E and never been the merrier.

    For non pro work, I wonder if it matters? It depends on the person needs and capabilities. You can do more PP work on a D800/E file than a D4, than a D3s. But do you really do heavy PP on any file?

    Just get the body which makes you feel comfortable and operate in the limits of the body and lens and yours!

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Used to run with a pair of D3S's and under the truism that there exists no single wundercam for every situation, recently moved to D3S + 800e.

    Our D3s will be with us until it implodes -- brilliant all-around camera with amazing balance of speed, resolution, high-iso and acuity, etc. Great file size -- if significant cropping or large prints not required.

    I didn't personally see the cost/benefit of upgrading any of the D3S units to D4. For what we wanted/needed compared to what the 4 offered vs the 3S, the math didn't work -- for us.

    Still morphing the 800e into the process, but the files are gorgeous, AF solid, etc. Our biggest PITA are the small things we need to adjust to from having two so different bodies. Different batteries, chargers, control layout, feel in hand, AS plates, cards (hate SD), etc. The small stuff.

    I'd actually looked around for a clean D3X because of the above and fact I love the pro body size (using w/grip close, but not same), but just couldn't find a clean suitable unit in Canada (15% VAT at border, Nikon Canada service, etc). It got to the point that for the same $$, a new 800e and it's merits eventually outweighed the softer issues that had be initially favouring a used 3X.

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    If we'v got everything we want with D3s, it's better to wait a year or 2, then take a good look at D4; If we decide not to look at D4, why bother the D800? ~my 2 cents

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Can't pound fence posts with a D800...

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Can't pound fence posts with a D800...
    Nor with a D4

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    Quote Originally Posted by ausemmao View Post
    Nor with a D4
    Sure you can. You just have to remember to pick up the buttons that fell off.

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    Re: downgrading from D4 to D800

    I repeat, don't do it. ;-0
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