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    85/1.4...the debate.

    hey all.

    been thinking lately.

    currently shooting a d600, with 28-70/2.8, 50/1.8D, and 85/1.4G.

    i shoot mainly people. fashion, editorial, models, portraits, etc.

    i ADORE my 85/1.4G...but i can't help but wonder if i couldn't get along just as well with the 85/1.4D, and put the cash toward something else (like bills. it's not dire by any means, but it's nice to make progress where you can. austerity measures on a personal level, so to speak).

    would that be completely insane? i know there are folks out there who actually prefer the D to the G, which is why i'd even consider the move. not to mention, one of my favorite photographers uses the D. lol

    cheers fellas,
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Why don't you try the 85/1.8 G, I prefer it over the 1.4D which I also have.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    i like the shallow depth of field rendering of the 1.4G (particularly the transition from in focus to out of focus, as much as the bokeh itself)...i disliked it greatly on the 1.8D i had briefly.

    i'm totally extrapolating to assume its to my liking on the 1.4D and not so much on the 1.8G.

    it's certainly worth looking into though. i may have a date with flickr soon.

    in what ways do you prefer it?

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    I find it sharper, corner to corner, at any aperture up to 5.6. With this focal lenght the depht of field is extremely shallow even at 1.8 and the bokeh is fine. it Is smaller and the reversibile hood makes it much more easy to carry.
    I never tried the 1.8 D so I cannot compare.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    I've tried both the 1.8G and the 1.4D, and I prefer the 1.4D. Feels way better in the hand and produces beautiful images. Never had any problems with it ever... Great solid lens!

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmeckert View Post
    i like the shallow depth of field rendering of the 1.4G (particularly the transition from in focus to out of focus, as much as the bokeh itself)...i disliked it greatly on the 1.8D i had briefly.

    i'm totally extrapolating to assume its to my liking on the 1.4D and not so much on the 1.8G.

    it's certainly worth looking into though. i may have a date with flickr soon.

    in what ways do you prefer it?

    cheers
    You should try out the 85 f1.8 G if you have a chance. The bokeh it produces is far superior to that of the older 85 f1.8D lens...which the latter had good sharpness but a not very attractive bokeh in my opinion.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    I am willing to bet you will find very little difference between the 1.4D and 1.4G lens at f1.4 through f2, *IF* that's where you always shoot it. If you stop down beyond that however, the G lens is likely to be the better performer all-around.

    Caveat: While I have owned the D lens, I only ever test-shot the G version. Personally speaking, as much as I love the look of it in the f1.4 through f2 range, I hate the weight of the 85/1.4's and why I chose the "tunable" 105DC for my short tele "look" lens.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    thanks for the discourse fellas. interesting points to consider from everyone.

    i'm going to have to look into the 85/1.8G. it's predecessor, as mentioned, is definitely blindingly sharp, but leaves a lot to be desired in the out of focus transition and rendering (i'd go so far as to call it ghastly, but not "brokeh" like a 50). that it's better at the out of focus aspect gives me hope that it could be an option.

    size and weight are not a concern for me. i've used the 28-70 as my main lens for 8 years...the 85/1.4 doesn't strike me as heavy. though less weight never hurt. i specifically have a 28-105 for work that encompasses long hours holding the rig.

    i shoot the lens in two ways, typically...from open to f/2, and f/11...but usually not in between.

    i've never loved what the DC lenses do, on a personal preference level...but then, most of the examples i've seen have been carelessly shot. even still, they've revealed characteristics i'm not wild about. i have seen some amazing shots, when someone really knew the lens, but they've been generally few and far between.

    i may have to break down and borrow or rent the candidates. i find pretty much no flaws with my current 85, except for the cash it's tying up. lol. it's a matter of sacrificing as little as possible of that perfection.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Daves.

    The 85/1.4 D was never meant to be used at f11.

    Beyond f4 it begins to loose micro-contrast.

    The lens has one purpose in life..portraits. Between f1.4 and f2.8

    That's its purpose for existence.

    My attempt with the 85/1.4D


    Best.

    p.s. I have never tried the G version. For countless years, professionals / amateurs have Used the D for discerning work. I am far less capable than them.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    While the 85/1.8 D was distinctly inferior to the 1.4 D with regards to bokeh, the difference is much harder to spot between the two G lenses. As others have said before me: try it, and see what you think.

    Then there's the Sigma. Not a bad alternative either.

    But to be honest, selling a lens that you say that you "ADORE" seems like risky business to me. Unless you have to for financial reasons, I wouldn't do it. But then, I don't even sell lenses that I don't adore, even if I should... for financial reasons, so I might not be the best advisor on this

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    From an over all IQ view point the 85/1.4D and 85/1.4G are difficult to distinguish . Two aspects seem to be discussed most when comparing the lenses.

    1. The newer G lenses have better coatings and a more neutral transmission . Translated less of the characteristic yellow tint . I view less tint as beneficial in creating clean and brilliant color ...but its a preference as for portraits some prefer the cream colored skin tones .

    2. AF speed and smoothness .... again a fine point ..but the newer G primes are as good as it gets for AF and my 135/2 seems to slam into focus .

    Neither benefits really affect in any meaningful way the results you can obtain unless you are shooting fashion where the AF speed maybe an advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    Daves.

    The 85/1.4 D was never meant to be used at f11.

    Beyond f4 it begins to loose micro-contrast.

    The lens has one purpose in life..portraits. Between f1.4 and f2.8

    That's its purpose for existence.

    My attempt with the 85/1.4D

    Best.

    p.s. I have never tried the G version. For countless years, professionals / amateurs have Used the D for discerning work. I am far less capable than them.
    Good point. I definitely use it near wide open most of the time. F/11 is pretty much only when I need the depth of field for a certain look. The G definitely doesn't lose much if any micro contrast above f/4. It's ridiculously good all around.

    Lovely shot btw. Really shows what these portrait lenses can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    While the 85/1.8 D was distinctly inferior to the 1.4 D with regards to bokeh, the difference is much harder to spot between the two G lenses. As others have said before me: try it, and see what you think.

    Then there's the Sigma. Not a bad alternative either.

    But to be honest, selling a lens that you say that you "ADORE" seems like risky business to me. Unless you have to for financial reasons, I wouldn't do it. But then, I don't even sell lenses that I don't adore, even if I should... for financial reasons, so I might not be the best advisor on this
    Checking images out last night they're way closer than they used to be, though the 1.8G still has this odd outline/doubling effect in the bokeh I don't like. If things were dire it would do the trick I think.

    I don't need the cash...it's more from an efficiency standpoint. I'm not sure I need the money tied up in the lens. Though, it's seeming more like I'd regret selling it.

    I'm avoiding third party options. Been there, done that. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    From an over all IQ view point the 85/1.4D and 85/1.4G are difficult to distinguish . Two aspects seem to be discussed most when comparing the lenses.

    1. The newer G lenses have better coatings and a more neutral transmission . Translated less of the characteristic yellow tint . I view less tint as beneficial in creating clean and brilliant color ...but its a preference as for portraits some prefer the cream colored skin tones .

    2. AF speed and smoothness .... again a fine point ..but the newer G primes are as good as it gets for AF and my 135/2 seems to slam into focus .

    Neither benefits really affect in any meaningful way the results you can obtain unless you are shooting fashion where the AF speed maybe an advantage.
    The nano coating is incredible at doing what it's meant to. I did a set for a model with strong backlight and got zero flare at all. I was blown away. Color accuracy is rarely a concern of mine. Pleasing always wins. If I need accuracy at some point ill bring out the ol' color checker and figure it out.

    I hadn't even hought of AF. The G is silent and fast for sure. And I do shoot fashion. Though, one of my fave fashion photographers uses the D. Lol
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Bottom line the 1.4 g has the character . The 1.8 G is clinically sharp. Pick your poison but for me with fashion the 1.4 all the way. Folks should hopefully pick up on all the recent 1.8 lenses recently coming out all have the same look. They are very sharp but less character than the 1.4 counterparts. Think Leica here the M Summarits that came out several years ago with a lot less cost than the summiluxes but are very sharp but less character. Same thing here in Nikon.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmeckert View Post
    hey all.

    been thinking lately.

    currently shooting a d600, with 28-70/2.8, 50/1.8D, and 85/1.4G.

    i shoot mainly people. fashion, editorial, models, portraits, etc.

    i ADORE my 85/1.4G...but i can't help but wonder if i couldn't get along just as well with the 85/1.4D, and put the cash toward something else (like bills. it's not dire by any means, but it's nice to make progress where you can. austerity measures on a personal level, so to speak).

    would that be completely insane? i know there are folks out there who actually prefer the D to the G, which is why i'd even consider the move. not to mention, one of my favorite photographers uses the D. lol

    cheers fellas,
    daves
    Do you need weather sealing ?
    The 1.4G is warmer too, in that sense more modern.

    Maybe this could help:
    Nikkor 85mm f/1.4 Lens Review by Thom Hogan

    Best regards,

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    I'm contemplating trading in my 1.4D for a Sigma 1.4. My reason for owning a 85/1.4 is bokeh and in that regard the new Sigma winds hands down. From what I have read, it also seems to have respectable resolving power. 1.4G seems to be even better in all respects, but at twice the cost it's nowhere close to a 1:1 swap.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Bottom line the 1.4 g has the character . The 1.8 G is clinically sharp. Pick your poison but for me with fashion the 1.4 all the way. Folks should hopefully pick up on all the recent 1.8 lenses recently coming out all have the same look. They are very sharp but less character than the 1.4 counterparts. Think Leica here the M Summarits that came out several years ago with a lot less cost than the summiluxes but are very sharp but less character. Same thing here in Nikon.
    the 1.4g has it all. lol.

    that's a great observation though. clinical vs character.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    Do you need weather sealing ?
    The 1.4G is warmer too, in that sense more modern.

    Maybe this could help:
    Nikkor 85mm f/1.4 Lens Review by Thom Hogan

    Best regards,

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    ya know...i'm not sure i've ever read thom's article on the 85. i sort of accidentally came into having the 1.4G, so never really researched it. thanks.

    i don't NEED the weather sealing, but i feel better having it if i shoot near sand or in wind outdoors..
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    I used to own multiple versions of the old 1.4/85 and now have the 1.4/85G. For me it is clear that the 1.4/85G is the best 85 Nikon ever made.

    Having said that, the Canon 1.2/85II is even better and sometimes I really feel like just buying a Canon FF body to be able to use this superb lens.

    Forget all reviews comparing the Canon with the Nikon, for me the Canon 1.2/85II wins hands down for all one expects from such a fast portrait lens.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Bottom line the 1.4 g has the character . The 1.8 G is clinically sharp. Pick your poison but for me with fashion the 1.4 all the way. Folks should hopefully pick up on all the recent 1.8 lenses recently coming out all have the same look. They are very sharp but less character than the 1.4 counterparts. Think Leica here the M Summarits that came out several years ago with a lot less cost than the summiluxes but are very sharp but less character. Same thing here in Nikon.
    Guy, would you say for a photograph taken at f/8 this difference in character (1.4 - 1.8 g's ) still show?

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    No it gets a lot closer , it's really in the 1.4 to like f4 area you will see much nicer bokeh and character to the lens. Now lens aberrations will take part in this as well and also aperture blades. For character or nice bokeh you want to try and get a 9 blade aperture ring. The more the merrier here for a smoother foreground and background blur for bokeh. One other thing the 1.4 usually will have softer corners in the wide apertures as there is more lens curvature there as the 1.8 lenses will tend to be flatter lens curvature. This is typical but exceptions here as well. If you read the MTF charts you will see where the corners will lag behind more with the 1.4 lens. These are general characteristics to almost every lens brand . Faster lenses have nicer bokeh and more corner softness and more vignetting than slower lenses. Fast glass is tough to build too so they usually have more lens aberrations but some pretty expensive glass you will see they battle that a little better and why costs are higher on some of those. Also the 1.8 build quality maybe less than the 1.4 due to shaving costs and offering them as lower cost to consumers. Now it's not that the 1.8 lenses are bad in anyway just designed different for let's say more hobbyists needs than for Pro level needs. The 1.8 or slower lenses are typically a lot easier to design and build with less special glass in them compared to the fast glass which takes more care to design.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Here lets look at the MTF charts here on the 1.8 the lens has a little better corners in the very wide apertures but once we hit like F4 on the 1.4 lens it smokes the 1.8 Better glass and lens curvature is less a issue. Now this usually will affect wider glass than a 85mm but it still is there slightly. Lens aberrations is whats holding back the 1.4 until it stops down a little than it is much better as it gets past that. Look at the F4 numbers now between the two lenses. Much better on the 1.4 glass. But wide open the 1.8 is slightly better. Now in all honesty the more lens aberrations the nicer the look sometimes especially with people. The Leica Summiluxes which are 1.4 have a lot of character wide open because it has lens aberrations but very nice when stopped down as it gets past the aberrations.

    You can read a lot about these lenses on photo zone.com and you can compare the two lenses in all the details. I just touched on some of it
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Now the question at F8 according to the MTF charts the 1.4 is sharper but the character will still look pretty much the same. Character is usually in the wider apertures but lets not forget color tonal range and things like this which this is something we really need to test side by side.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Now look at the bokeh here . The 1.4 clearly is much nicer and smoother.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    To me the 1.4 is clearly the people, model, fashion, wedding lens of choice but comes at a cost plus size and weight. Again all this will come down to what you are after and how much you want to spend and also deal with size and weight. Myself i always go after the best glass I can at any cost. Yes I am a lens whore. LOL

    Now its fun to read these charts and make comparisons based on scientific study but its somewhat meaningless until you go shoot these lenses and see what YOU like. Really end of day that is the most important part. I base everything on how it LOOKS not how it measures up in numbers.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    If I might interject a few personal comments from shooting with both 85mm G lenses. Bokeh differences can be more or less pronouced between the two depending on the lighting and/or subject matter. So in some situations, at comparable f stops, the degree of differnce varies greatly. The same can be said when comparing sharpness across the frame at say f5.6, where max. sharpness is nearly obtained. Differerences of resolution is noticable between these two lenses especially if examining files at 100%, but whether these differences will be important/noticable or not, is very much subject dependent and how the files will be used with regards to output.

    Guy is very much right...generally the faster versions of similar lenses have more character when shot between say f1.4 and f4. A little off topic, but I'm reminded of the Pentax SLR AF lens "FA 85mm f1.4" This lens when shot between f1.4 and f4 was mediocre at best (and often times much worse) when shooting distance objects like landscapes. in these situations, it looked like a $99.00 lens...but oh how that lens sang when shooting portraits and not only its stunning bokeh. It was optimized for close and mid-distant subjects and both resolving power and the way it drew was beyond reproach for these applications. beyond f4 and it was as sharp as one would hope for at all distances. Later it was learned (but never publicized) that the optical designers at Pentax specifically designed the lens to have these properties. In contrast, most all Pentax 85mm f1.8 lenses were simply very sharp general purpose lenses from the get-go (f1.8).

    The Nikon G lenses are similar to this analogy in many ways and mirror much fo what Guy expressed.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Well Guy and Dave and just finding out the differences in blades numbers between these lenses and the fact that the 1.4 g has 9 rounded blades which of course makes nicer Bokeh.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Two words, though admittedly off-topic -- 105 DC. (The most under-rated and under-utilized "look" lens in the Nikon lineup!)
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    LOL . I was waiting for you to say that. ROTFLMAO.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    LOL . I was waiting for you to say that. ROTFLMAO.
    Me too...but you know he's right! In fact, before the new 85 f1.4G came along, I had much prefered the 105DC for portrait work than the 85mm f1.4D

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    I agree with Jack's 105 dc statement. If they come out with a g model I will grab it if cash is in pocket at time. For the price I find passing up the 85mm F1.8g difficult after testing it in store the other day. As others have stated focus is accurate and the sharpness was a happy surprise after fully processing in LR4. I shot my test at 1.8 using store personnel. No doubt camera store personnel are the most photographed people in the world. Perhaps a thread (having fun with store personnel) should be created.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    the 1.4G blows the D away when it comes to contrast. The D just does not have the pop you get form the G. And guess what. I bought a 1.4 AIS last night

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khatsalano View Post
    I agree with Jack's 105 dc statement. If they come out with a g model I will grab it if cash is in pocket at time.
    If they come out with a G model, it will be at least twice as expensive as the current model. I suspect that even used versions of the current model will go up in price then. I agree with Jack too; this is a lens one should just grab. It's very good, by any definition of "good".

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    Sorry, my statement was not well made. I do have the 105 dc which prompted me to agree with Jack. Unfortunately you are right, a new g version would probably be twice the price in which case I would stay with the old model. For outdoor portraits I also love the Nikon 180 f2.8 which works well for me on the D800 as does the 105 mm DC. No doubt I will also obtain the 85 F1.8 , my test shots with the 85 F1.8 were also done with the D800.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    heavens! quite the discussion broke out there! lol

    looks like i'm not gonna be saving that money after all. barring actually trying out a 1.4D and liking it tons. i guess it's just too hard to mess with near perfection.

    speaking of "lenses, which if they came out in a new G version, i'd buy immediately"...i'm waiting for a 135/1.8. can haz plz? that would be the end of the 85, no question.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    I owned both the 135DC as well as the 105DC before they got stolen several years ago. I have missed these lenses ever since however never bought them again. When Nikon brings out new versions I surely would love to have the DC possibility again. This is a much underappreciated feature of these lenses IMO. New versions without DC would make them maybe sharp but otherwise quite ordinary lenses.

    BTW I also owned the 85/1.4D and now the G version. I find the G better in most aspects, certainly contrast and focussing. In color rendition I find the G lenses 'thinner' if that qualification makes sense.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    IMHO...

    It's pretty clear by the MTF's: While the 1.4G and 1.4D are pretty close on center performance with the G just slightly superior, the 1.4G is far superior on edge and corner performance as compared to the D version. What this means is perhaps that for portraits only, the softer-edged D version may be desirable -- and again I'd argue that you can't beat the 105DC for portraits. However, as an all-around imaging lens with the latest Nikon digital bodies, I don't think it's even a discussion as to which 85/1.4 is the "best" lens; the G wins hands-down.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Like to see a test between my 85 against any 105dc you can muster up. Now the 105 may have character because of the non nano coatings and aberrations but sharp to sharp world not sure you can touch the G 85 1.4 and even the Zeiss 100 macro , rated one of the best on the planet does not have the corner performance like the 85. Not saying the 105 will not do excellent portraits since that is the design of it but in the pixel peeping world of landscape I don't think it would hold up to the 85. Honestly for portraits I shoot much longer anyway but that's me. I lay down the hammer prove me wrong. LOL

    Hope you know I'm joking here. But my 85 is killer sharp , not sure the lens gods blessed this damn thing or not but its as good as my now sold(crying) 200 F2. It's that good
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    I was not trying to make this a 105DC v 85/1.4G debate. My comment was that while the 85/1.4D may be more desirable for portraits over the 85/1.4G, the 105DC being tunable is (IMHO) the better (best?) portrait lens.

    However since you brought it up, I also believe the 105DC zeroed will easily outperform the 85/1.4D corner to corner. (I know the G is excellent, but then so is the 105DC when zeroed -- though I suspect at f5.6, the 85/1.4G will edge out the 105DC at the edges at normal distances.) The next thing worth noting is the 105DC performs outstandingly well at infinity -- I have read that neither 85/1.4 fares very well at distance. We need to compare them next time we're out together and do a head-to-head shootout across the board. Or better yet, let's have Bob do it since he owns both lenses
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Lol I know I was just giving you a hard time but yea. Lets get Bob to do it. Lol
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    It's hard to define which of all these lenses is best, unless you charaterize a well defined set of parameters for an intended use. I've shot as many have here with each one of these lenses under a wide variety of circumstances and I can make a case for each as being the one I'd select for a specific application.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    My idea when I went to Nikon was make 2 lens kits one for the commercial type work and one for the real image type stuff. I'm still working on it but like my Tammy 24-70 is purely the PR lens and travel . It does not get in the bag on landscape and lighting type work. Maybe as a backup but not primary. My 85 does double duty fashion 3/4 and full length and it will go on a landscape shoot as well along with all my Zeiss glass which I consider all that landscape and real image lenses. Being a commercial shooter that does not exactly pick a certain area but more a generalist per say makes this harder as I need a pretty good assortment both AF fast work and than live view work on the image work. For instance I can't just buy 3 zooms and call it a day. So folks really need to think carefully otherwise your kit maybe 12 deep. I'm not there yet. LOL
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Guy Wrote--->>>"My idea when I went to Nikon was make 2 lens kits one for the commercial type work and one for the real image type stuff"<<<

    You mean your commercial type work isn't comprised of real images? Do your clients know that? (I simply couldn't resist! )

    Your points though are well taken! Lens selection is more often than not based on what factors we need or want incorporated in our images or particular attributes that are desirable to be reached. It can be very subjective at times. Additionally for a variety of reasons, whether financial, travel wise or a host of other considerations, what we purchase and use may be dictated by sets of circumstamces we're faced with.

    In these cases, its important to know the strengths and weaknesses of each lens on a particular camera system/body, especially in how its going to be used. Just knowing this goes a long way in extracting the most from a given lens. It's amazing how much image quality can be improved from a given lens, even an average performing one, simply by playing to its strengths and minimizing it's weaknesses.

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    In case you mean by "commercial" work as in Portraits.

    Then the 85/1.4G stays in the cabinet and the ZF2 is used for posed shots.

    In case you mean fashion portraits i.e. fast moving, then the 85/1.4G is used.

    In case you mean street whatever stuff, then it is the 85/1.8G.

    In case you mean long portraits, then it is the 135D.

    In case you want a long hernia, then it is the 200/2 VR I or II.

    In case you mean artsy fartsy, then the Lux 80 comes out.

    In case you mean super duper sharp shots, it is the 90AA.

    In case you mean swirly Bokeh, it is the 75/1.5

    And I still cannot sort out what to do with the Contax 85/1.2 besides looking at it?

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Your getting the idea here. Its a PITA deciding
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    I wonder why corner sharpness would be just a big deal in portrait shots?

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Normal no but sometimes its more about a person and product as well. Depends really on what your doing.
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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Two words, though admittedly off-topic -- 105 DC. (The most under-rated and under-utilized "look" lens in the Nikon lineup!)
    Jack have you compared 105 DC to 135 DC?

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    Re: 85/1.4...the debate.

    Lars,

    In my experiences with multiple samples of each, the 105 DC had the edge in shapness accross the frame. These comparative results were as a result on testing with various Nikon 12MP ful frame cameras.

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