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    Hello everyone,

    when it comes to WA, the 28 to 35mm is a range I like to use a lot in my landscape / fine art work. There is a wonderful thread on the 35mm Sigma going on right now, but it seems to me that there is less love for the wider brother around, so here we are: what is people's favourite 28 mm, and why?
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    28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?


    There was this thread, primarily about the AF-S Nikkor 28mm f/1.8 G

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/nikon/38...must-have.html

    Worth a read as inspiration for your considerations. I think.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    I can tell you from first hand experience that the latest 28mm f2.8 Nikkor isn't very suited to landscape. It is sharp enough in the middle, but huge field curvature, so the edges are not in focus.

    The Leica 28mm f2.8 is very good, but still has a bit of field curvature.

    The modern zooms made for a flat digital sensor may be a better choice.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    There was this thread, primarily about the AF-S Nikkor 28mm f/1.8 G

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/nikon/38...must-have.html

    Worth a read as inspiration for your considerations. I think.
    Thank you Steen, good read - though mostly Nikkor-centric It seems that the Zeiss 28 doesn't have many followers here... I wasn't much impressed by the landscape qualities of the lens from Tim's samples at the beginning of the thread, it seems to me more a PJ-oriented optic. Will look into it some more though...

    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    I can tell you from first hand experience that the latest 28mm f2.8 Nikkor isn't very suited to landscape. It is sharp enough in the middle, but huge field curvature, so the edges are not in focus.

    The Leica 28mm f2.8 is very good, but still has a bit of field curvature.

    The modern zooms made for a flat digital sensor may be a better choice.
    Hello Rob, thank you very much, this is exactly the info I need - seems to reinforce my opinion that Nikon was thinking more to PJs than Landscape guys when they developed this... The modern zooms are good, but huge and a prime - if well developed - might still have some advantages over a zoom when it comes down to IQ... or not, as it seems it were for the Nikkor
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    When I was young, 28mm was the widest I had, and I didn't find it very interesting. For some reason, I have bought 3 manual focus 28mm lenses the last couple of years, without using them much, but now I'm giving them a chance.

    The latest acqusition is a Nikkor 28mm f/2.0 AIS. Apart from being a lovely lens, the rendering is very pleasing to my eyes. When it comes to sharpness and contrast, here is what I see from a very informal as well as unscientific test I did this morning on a D700 that somehow found its way in my door last night:

    f/2.0: Adequate centre sharpness and contrast. Edges and corners are low contrast and soft.
    f/2.8: Centre becomes very good, while edges and corners are acceptable, but still low contrast.
    f/4.0: Centre is as sharp and detailed as it gets on a 12MP camera. Edges and corners are very good too.
    f/5.6: Totally sharp and contrasty across the frame.
    f/8.0: No improvements that I can see vs. f/5.6, and the rendering seems more pleasing at 5.6.

    At least with my copy, there seems to be some very slight CA in high contrast areas that are in focus. With the D700, it's hardly visible, but with a D800, the situation would probably change for the worse. The test was done on a cityscape, and I haven't tried it for OOF rendering yet.

    I think I paid around $300 for my copy which is in mint condition and came with both caps as well as a lens hood. Not a super bargain, but much cheaper than a Zeiss or the new AF-S lens.
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Easy answer is the 28/1.8G. Howeverbutt, I really like the versatility of the older 17-35 zoom -- about the same total size, as sharp or sharper in the central 2/3 across the zoom range, but looses out in the extreme corners. It's also gives up a stop+. For my needs, I'll take the added versatility of having 17, 21, 24 and 35 focals also available and give up the stop and better extreme corners over the fixed 28 on most days.
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Easy answer is the 28/1.8G. Howeverbutt, I really like the versatility of the older 17-35 zoom -- about the same total size, as sharp or sharper in the central 2/3 across the zoom range, but looses out in the extreme corners. It's also gives up a stop+. For my needs, I'll take the added versatility of having 17, 21, 24 and 35 focals also available and give up the stop and better extreme corners over the fixed 28 on most days.
    +1! That's also why I've been an advocate of the venerable 17-35mm f2.8 (predicated on finding a good sample, which many aren't). It even does well on the D800 but as Jack pointed out, the edge/sides especially at the more open apertures are weak but it's size and versatility are a big plus.

    My favorite 28mm was the AF-D 28mm f1.4. Few samples of this lens would probably rate as spectacular but when a good one was found, it's was heavenly. Most who ended up with a so-so sample, so they never experienced the potential of this lens. Still it's a bit weak at f1.4 and f1.8

    It's not so much the absolute sharpness of this lens...but it's had a look that was very appealing and it drew an image in a very attractive way.

    Technically wise, there are of course better performing 28mm.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Consider the old 25-50mm zoom. I am constantly impressed by this very underrated lens.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    I use the 17-35 on the d800e and d700, at f/8 it is sharp corner to corner at 28mm. It is such a versatile lens and it's resolution is so high in the center at any f/stop that I use the lens most of the time. When I am doing serious work I use three lenses most of the time. The 17-35, 55mm micro and an old 300mm f/4. When I am travelling I substitute an old 200mm f/4 for the 300mm, a lot less weight and bulk. Joe

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Thank you guys! So far, I see a lot of love for the 17-35, not much love for the 28 f1.8G, one mention for the oldie (but still in production) 20 AI-s and 25-50 zoom.

    Since I'd stay with a prime for now, I wonder what is the collective wisdom on the Zeiss, Voigtlander and - dare I say - Schneider T-S 28mm? Any users of any of these lenses out there?
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Vieri, I haven't tried the primes you mention there but I have heard that the Schneider TS isn't excellent. But I do have an answer, which is that the 28mm setting on my 24-70 has less field curvature, especially at f5.6, than the 28mm F1.8G and that means that it is not only sharp enough to the edges (particularly at F8) but also doesn't have any strange mid-filed weaknesses of note. So though you give up some light weight, some extra speed and the very nice 'look' of the F1.8 lens wide open, and the central area is not quite as Zeissy-sharp, you get a very good consistent result across the frame. At the moment therefore I use this lens for most wide landscape (28/35) in preference to any primes I have, just because it is better: more consistent, less fussy, more reliable, less tricky.... better than any copy of the famous Siggy 35 Art I've had, too.

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    Tim, thanks for the heads up on the 24-70, which for some reason is a lens that I owned for a very short time and immediately sold (I kinda forgot why, too!), and never warmed to... it makes a lot of sense in fact, it would double nicely for 35 / 50 as well even if I hear that both at 24 and at 70 is not so great. So you gave up to the Siggy 35 in the end... too bad that they cannot get their QC right, it looked as that when it works it's great, except it quite doesn't!
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    My 24-70 is weak at the sides at 24 but that is field curvature, so it actually suits some subjects... But at 70 it's actually really pretty good! I am damned surprised: I expected not to like this lens but it is really seriously useful!

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    Hmm it seems I will have to seriously (re)consider it, then... You know, after all these new zoom are really good, and the reason to use primes is more character than anything else; otherwise, 14-24, 24-70 and 70-200 (in either flavour, f2.8 or f4) with a Lee SW filter for the 14-24 and regular filters for others, would be about perfect.

    On the other hand, I travel with 14-24, 35 f1.4, 50 f1.4, 85 f1.4, 135 f2 or 70-200 f4. More or less same weight, some more character but definitely less practical...
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    I am coming rapidly to the same opinion as you Vieri: and for most straight landscape I actually don't want a look lens, just a predictable field of focus. I've said it before but if someone made a good wide (say 24mm but I'd accept up to 35 if it was really good) with a maximum aperture of f5.6 (so that there were no compromises to field curvature in order to get a fast maximum aperture) then I'd buy it in a flash.... but for now my travel kit, and one with which I think i can get really great results, will be 24-70 f2.8 with 70-200 F4 (I LOVE that lens) with Samyang 14 and Nikon 28 1.8G because it is so small and light and gives me a low light fast lens with a really nice look wide open...

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    IMHO only: perfectly sharp extreme corners in a landscape image are mostly over-rated and definitely over-sought-after. Flamesuit donned
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    No suit needed: soft corners I can live with, easily; blurry edges I simply hate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    No suit needed: soft corners I can live with, easily; blurry edges I simply hate!
    In some ways I quite agree. Soft corners, whether they are due to the optical design and performance of a lens or possibly interaction with the extreme pixels and their design on a given density packed high resolution sensor are generally and specifically easier to deal with than bluffy, smeared corners.

    With soft corners, if their sharpness does become important to a particular image, they can often be isolated and additionally sharpened to a degree and matched (blended in) to look natural to the adjacent part of the image. Conversely, smeared blurry corners look exactly like "smeared blurry corners" and no amount of post processing is going to return that part of the image to look in it's natural state....whether it be a brick facade or a well defined structure or recognizable element.

    As a general rule, blurry smeared corners often indicate optical misalignment, where soft corners are often attributed to resolution falloff of the lens in general...although with so many different sensor designs (specifically their pixels with regards to pixel density and micro-lens design), these blurry corners may have their origins (or part thereof) due to lens/sensor interaction.

    With that said Jack is "right" for the most part....for these blurry corners to be seen or have a degrading impact on the image (beside pixel peeping at greater than 50%), a substantial enlargement/print has to be made or at the very least the image initially cropped significantly to reveal the details of one of those corners.

    EDIT #1 : As for the importance of these blurry corners I am reminded of the example of an extraordinarily beautiful "classic car" that has less than perfect front fenders. If the fender's paint is simply duller than the rest of the car, some high gloss, somewhat abrasive car polish might help it blend in with the rest of the car. It may be a little destructive but it will look better and more natural to almost everyone, even discerning connoisseurs, as opposed to doing nothing. If the car instead had small dents in the fender, no amount of polish will help. How important are these dents? To the owner, and "fender peepers"...very! To the general public or those who admire the entire car for it's outstanding beauty and look at it as a whole, the fenders themselves are hardly noticed, if that....LOL!

    EDIT #2: I can just see it now. Jack and Tim are involved in a small fender-bender car accident. Tim says "Jack look, just look what you did to my beautiful car's fenders, their dented! See how distorted they are? I can't stand the way they look!". Jack replies "Tim, take it easy, it's only the fenders...and besides, fenders are highly overrated anyway"

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    I definitely agree on the soft vs blurry/smeared corners & edges: soft is fine if it is a graceful and pleasant softening, sort of a focus-falloff. Blurry and smeared, on the other end, looks unnatural and to me is the sign of poor performance of an optic, which is not acceptable for optics marketed as first class, ultimate IQ, etc etc and with a price tag to match.

    Ideally, we should have perfect optics with perfectly sharp corners and edges and if and when we want soft corners and edges for aesthetic purposes we always can do that in PP or by selecting our point of focus and apertures accordingly... but then again, this is not quite an ideal world...
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    "Blurry and smeared" usually just means astigmatism. There's more blur in one direction than the other, so the blur is assymetrical. Usually it looks as if the detail is smeared out toward the corners.

    On some lenses the astigmatism is in the opposite direction, and it looks as if the detail was smeared in a circular motion around the axis. Some people like this look in some circumstances.

    This will usually correspond with big divergence of dotted and solid lines on an MTF chart. Although I've never seen a trustworthy looking chart from one of the Japanese lens companies.

    I find smear hard to look at in general. There's something jarring about it, like my eyes are fighting to bring the detail into focus (in a way that they don't if the blur is symmetrical).

    Sharpening algorithms often make the smear look worse.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Speaking of smeared corners, my favorite 28 is a lens that's gotten a lot abuse on these forums: a Schneider PC Super Angulon shift lens.

    It's the best and worst lens I've used. I've had to learn to stay within its limitations, as far as shift and aperture. When I do the results are stunning. When I don't, there's terrible astigmatism in the far corners, and seriously acid trip-worthy color fringing.

    My soon-to-be favorite lens will probably be the frighteningly priced 28mm f4.5 TS Super Angulon that's coming out later this year. If Scheider is doing more than recycling an old optic, this lens could give medium format digital freedom—ability to use wide apertures and to shift with near impunity.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by paulraphael View Post
    Speaking of smeared corners, my favorite 28 is a lens that's gotten a lot abuse on these forums: a Schneider PC Super Angulon shift lens.

    It's the best and worst lens I've used. I've had to learn to stay within its limitations, as far as shift and aperture. When I do the results are stunning. When I don't, there's terrible astigmatism in the far corners, and seriously acid trip-worthy color fringing.

    My soon-to-be favorite lens will probably be the frighteningly priced 28mm f4.5 TS Super Angulon that's coming out later this year. If Scheider is doing more than recycling an old optic, this lens could give medium format digital freedom—ability to use wide apertures and to shift with near impunity.
    Interesting you should express your thoughts on a lens thats both your best and worse. I had a non Leica 28mm M lens that has corners that were somewhat smeared and soft...yet the way the lens was able to draw and render an image was simply beautiful. On technical grounds, the lens was far behind in optical performance than many others...on a purely esthetic look it gives to images...I loved it.

    When a lens has smeared corners and simply records a good or sharp picture elsewhere's, I don't look kindly upon it. If it has smeared corners but the rest of the image simply draws me in due to the way it records an image...then those smeared corners not only don't matter too much but sometimes is even an asset.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    I'm on either side of the 28 with the Zeiss 25 F2 was not impressed with the Zeiss 28 F2 and than I have the Sigma 35 1.4 so really don't need a 28mm prime but for PR type shooting 28 is nice to have so than I use the Nikon 24-70 which at 28mm is pretty good.
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    Dave, the Schneider I'm describing complicates things a bit by being a shift lens. Unshifted it's amazing, shifted a bit it's usually amazing (but no guarantees), shifted a lot it's terrible. There are other variables that have to be managed also, and some that I may not have figured out yet.

    Here's an example that I think looks good. There's a bit of smearing in the corners, but you'd have to print bigger than 36" and stick your nose in to notice. In a 24" print it looks better than anything I've seen from my 4x5. This was probably shifted 5 or 6mm—as far as I'm comfortable going.

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    Here's[/URL] an example that I think looks good. There's a bit of smearing in the corners...
    This just goes to illustrate how these discussions about IQ are inevitably based on personal opinion and expectation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulraphael View Post
    Dave, the Schneider I'm describing complicates things a bit by being a shift lens. Unshifted it's amazing, shifted a bit it's usually amazing (but no guarantees), shifted a lot it's terrible. There are other variables that have to be managed also, and some that I may not have figured out yet.

    Here's an example that I think looks good. There's a bit of smearing in the corners, but you'd have to print bigger than 36" and stick your nose in to notice. In a 24" print it looks better than anything I've seen from my 4x5. This was probably shifted 5 or 6mm—as far as I'm comfortable going.
    Thanks! I took a quick look at your image and to be honest, from what I saw at the largest size you posted, I wouldn't necessarily call that corner smearing....maybe just a touch, especially in right lower side corner. When one see's smearing, they'll know it!

    EDIT: *** Please note, I originally said lower "left" corner...I meant lower "right hand side" croner has the touch of smearing.

    Oh, you'd be surprised how many "nose prints" I find on some 36" prints I've shown to pixel peepers...LOL!

    Interesting image! Look at all those hand painted signs saying "Exit" with an arrow showing the way out. Something tells me that someone realized that with one strike of a match and the place would be an inferno!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Thanks! I took a quick look at your image and to be honest, from what I saw at the largest size you posted, I wouldn't necessarily call that corner smearing....maybe just a touch, especially in right lower side corner. When one see's smearing, they'll know it!
    Yes, agreed, I think this is an example of the lens working well. Smearing gets troublesome when the lens is shifted more than this.

    Something tells me that someone realized that with one strike of a match and the place would be an inferno!
    That's a building a bunch of friends/neighbors of mine got evicted from. After the landlord got denied his zoning variance application, he torched it. It was a major inferno. Eventually the variation went through, and he's using the insurance (I assume) to rebuild it and turn it into luxury lofts.

    The contractors know quite well now how flamable it is!

    I've been sneaking in with a camera ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm on either side of the 28 with the Zeiss 25 F2 was not impressed with the Zeiss 28 F2 and than I have the Sigma 35 1.4 so really don't need a 28mm prime but for PR type shooting 28 is nice to have so than I use the Nikon 24-70 which at 28mm is pretty good.
    Guy, interesting to hear that you didn't l like the Zeiss 28 f2: I'd be grateful if you could expand a bit on your reasons why. Also, how do you like the 25? Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulraphael View Post
    Dave, the Schneider I'm describing complicates things a bit by being a shift lens. Unshifted it's amazing, shifted a bit it's usually amazing (but no guarantees), shifted a lot it's terrible. There are other variables that have to be managed also, and some that I may not have figured out yet.

    Here's an example that I think looks good. There's a bit of smearing in the corners, but you'd have to print bigger than 36" and stick your nose in to notice. In a 24" print it looks better than anything I've seen from my 4x5. This was probably shifted 5 or 6mm—as far as I'm comfortable going.
    Paul, how much "safe" shift would you say you can get with your28 Schneider before things start to get ugly?
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    Paul, how much "safe" shift would you say you can get with your28 Schneider before things start to get ugly?
    5mm is always a safe bet. 6mm if I'm not anticipating printing big. If there's no important detail in the upper corners (sky, etc) then of course you can go all the way to 11.

    When shifted more than a mm or two the lens looks best stopped down to f16. I was afraid of diffraction the first few times I tried this, but found no significant degradation after sharpening. Most of the work I'm doing requires small apertures for DOF anyhow.

    A couple of times when I've needed more shift, I've gone 5mm with the lens and then pointed up, and fixed the convergence in photoshop. Not ideal, but a reasonable compromise.

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    Thank you Paul, 5-6 mm is not too bad. I cannot safely go much more than that with the Nikkor 24mm as well, though I expected the Schneider to be much better than the Nikkor... Of course, having sky in the upper part of the image is the great fixer
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    Quote Originally Posted by vieri View Post
    Of course, having sky in the upper part of the image is the great fixer
    ...and along with sky in upper part of image, calm "still" water in the lower part of the image...where the only detail is in the middle Problem of excessive shift induced corner smearing solved! LOL!

    Serious though, it's a bit frustrating where these manufacturers provide the degree of possible shifting but half way through, results significantly deteriorate. Of course part of the problem is some of these lenses were designed in the era when DSLR's were of the 6-12MP variety and not 24 or 36MP.

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    I've rented the Nikkor. I thought its performance was more consistent. In other words, the Schneider is both better and worse. I prefer the Schneider, because after figuring out its limitations I can get remarkable results. The Nikkor was just pretty good. Although I was using the Nikkor on a D3S ... maybe I would have liked it even less on the d800.

    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Of course part of the problem is some of these lenses were designed in the era when DSLR's were of the 6-12MP variety and not 24 or 36MP.
    Definitely the case here. Leica commissioned this lens from Schneider around 1999. And Schneider repurposed an older optical design. It's a '90s era 28mm digitar, with a floating element added. It was never one of their best lenses, but their only superwide with enough retrofocus to clear a dslr's mirror box.

    I can't wait to see the new version later this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulraphael View Post
    I've rented the Nikkor. I thought its performance was more consistent. In other words, the Schneider is both better and worse. I prefer the Schneider, because after figuring out its limitations I can get remarkable results. The Nikkor was just pretty good. Although I was using the Nikkor on a D3S ... maybe I would have liked it even less on the d800.

    Definitely the case here. Leica commissioned this lens from Schneider around 1999. And Schneider repurposed an older optical design. It's a '90s era 28mm digitar, with a floating element added. It was never one of their best lenses, but their only superwide with enough retrofocus to clear a dslr's mirror box.

    I can't wait to see the new version later this year.
    I also used the Schneider for quite a few years prior to switching to the Nikon and your observations/findings closely parallel mine. Without shift, the Schneider was exceptionally good on 12MP and older bodies compared to the Nikon but when shifted beyond 6 degrees, the Nikon moved ahead. Although I haven't used the Schneider on a 36MP body, but from what I've seen of the Nikon, I'd have to say it's probably keeps it's superiorty when shifted but has of course lost some of it's mojo on these high MP bodies.

    I too am looking forward to the redesign of the Schneider. The current older version first caught my eye when Leica marketed it under it's own name, as you mentioned.

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    Speaking about shift lenses I have just shown these two sample shots with the Nikon PC-Nikkor 28mm f/3.5 shift lens in my for sale thread.
    I have usually used my PC-Nikkor at f/8 to get enough depth of field and at the same time avoid diffraction to be visible, and with a max shift of ~ 7mm to avoid the light rays to become too stretched.
    The in-focus plane shows some field curvature that makes it better for curved sceneries than plane subjects as you may be able to see in the first picture, shot at f/8 and 7mm shift.
    The next picture from inside the church shows that it performs better inside the curved church room, I think. Again f/8 and 7mm shift.
    I don't know how it compares to e.g. the Schneider and the new PC-Nikkors, as the PC-Nikkor 28mm f/3.5 is the only shift lens I have ever owned.
    And though I have read many statements about the Schneiders and the new PC-Nikkors I have seen very few illustrations.

    If you are interested in this PC lens you can see my for sale thread here:

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/gear-fs-...tml#post501127



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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    In the primes, the Leica 28mm f2.8 is probably the best, with the Leica 21-35mm in the 28mm range being even better than the Leica prime at the edges and as good in the middle. Both of these are quite expensive and fiddly to work with and a decent Nikon zoom will probably do.

    The Leica 28mm PC is also pretty good, not as high in contrast as the Leica 28mm f2.8, but very even performance across the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    In the primes, the Leica 28mm f2.8 is probably the best
    Do you mean in the 28mm focal lens primes or in the Leica R primes?

    I agree on the former and disagree on the latter.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alon View Post
    Do you mean in the 28mm focal lens primes or in the Leica R primes?

    I agree on the former and disagree on the latter.
    Not quite sure what you are getting at here. I was referring to prime lenses that I have used on the Nikon. The modern Leica M lenses would perform better than the R lens, but would not work on a Nikon SLR.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    It is pretty simple really.

    You state "the Leica 28mm f2.8 is probably the best"

    You are making a statement and I am asking for a clarification.
    The Leica 28 prime is probably best in which classification?

    Are you refering to all the Leica R primes or to all the 28mm focals?

    In other words, is the Leica R 28mm, the best prime across all brands or across all Leica R primes?

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alon View Post
    It is pretty simple really.

    You state "the Leica 28mm f2.8 is probably the best"

    You are making a statement and I am asking for a clarification.
    The Leica 28 prime is probably best in which classification?

    Are you refering to all the Leica R primes or to all the 28mm focals?

    In other words, is the Leica R 28mm, the best prime across all brands or across all Leica R primes?
    The Leica 28mm is the best of the 28mm prime reflex lenses that I have used. There are better Leica R primes, but not better Leica 28mm R primes.

    I am still not getting what you are trying to ask or are you just trying to say there are better 28mm lenses than the Leica 28mm R? I am just offering my own opinion.

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    I just wanted to understand your statement.

    You have now provided me with the explanation. Thank you.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    How about the Nikon 28mm AI-s f2.0 ? I read somewhere that it is one of the better Nikon lens and was surprised that no one mentioned it here.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

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    How about the Nikon 28mm AI-s f2.0 ? I read somewhere that it is one of the better Nikon lens and was surprised that no one mentioned it here.
    Hello, Jorgen mentioned it in his post HERE, and I think it's a promising report - seems great at f5.6/f8 on the D700, however I'd love to hear from people who tried it on the D800 (or on the D3x at least).
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    For what it is worth I showed a couple of test snaps with the one stop slower AI-S Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 in the 'decent wide for landscapes' thread:

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/nikon/41...tml#post469365

    I have had both the AI-S f/2 and the f/2.8 at the same time and I think my copies were pretty much equal in performance apart from the fast one being one stop faster than the other.

    I sold the fast optic and kept the slow one as for me a wide angle lens doesn't need to be fast and I had a feeling that at the far edges the f/2 version showed a bit more lateral chromatic aberration than the slow one, even stopped down.

    This may very well just go for the copies I happened to have at the same time.

    As usual sample variation is a nasty variable that makes it very hard to say something really firm about the performance of a specific lens model.

    So all we can do is show samples, show samples, show samples ...

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    I like the character from my 28mm f2.8 AI-S so much that I ended up selling my 28mm G. I do regret selling my flawless OM 28mm f2 recently however...

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by vieri View Post
    Hello, Jorgen mentioned it in his post HERE, and I think it's a promising report - seems great at f5.6/f8 on the D700, however I'd love to hear from people who tried it on the D800 (or on the D3x at least).
    I will be going on a two day industrial assignment next week and will be using the 28/2.0 extensively. Unfortunately, I don't have anything more demanding than a D700, but it will be interesting to see how the lens behaves under harsh factory lighting.

    Another lens that I will use is the AI 20mm f/3.5. I'll post photos taken with both lenses when I'm back next Wednesday.

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    For what it is worth I showed a couple of test snaps with the one stop slower AI-S Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 in the 'decent wide for landscapes' thread:

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/nikon/41...tml#post469365

    I have had both the AI-S f/2 and the f/2.8 at the same time and I think my copies were pretty much equal in performance apart from the fast one being one stop faster than the other.

    I sold the fast optic and kept the slow one as for me a wide angle lens doesn't need to be fast and I had a feeling that at the far edges the f/2 version showed a bit more lateral chromatic aberration than the slow one, even stopped down.

    This may very well just go for the copies I happened to have at the same time.

    As usual sample variation is a nasty variable that makes it very hard to say something really firm about the performance of a specific lens model.

    So all we can do is show samples, show samples, show samples ...
    Quote Originally Posted by neilvan View Post
    I like the character from my 28mm f2.8 AI-S so much that I ended up selling my 28mm G. I do regret selling my flawless OM 28mm f2 recently however...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I will be going on a two day industrial assignment next week and will be using the 28/2.0 extensively. Unfortunately, I don't have anything more demanding than a D700, but it will be interesting to see how the lens behaves under harsh factory lighting.

    Another lens that I will use is the AI 20mm f/3.5. I'll post photos taken with both lenses when I'm back next Wednesday.
    Thank you guys, it's good to see some love for the oldies

    @ Jorgen: I am also very interested in your opinions on the 20 f3.5, if you care to share. It would be great to have a small, sharp, MF 20mm that does't cost an arm and a leg...
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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    The new AF-S 18-35G might be worth a look too...

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    I like the 28mm and the 20mm angle of view a lot, the 28mm for PR or events shooting and the 20mm for more general use. Saying that when I shoot PR or events I use an ancient 28mm f/3.5. At f/8 it is as sharp as a lens needs to be in the center and borders and is good in the corners. The lens is small and light weight has very good flare resistance and is so lowly regarded that one can buy one in LN- or EX+ for about $70. For an industrial assignment I would use my 17-35 in a heartbeat, it is practically glued on to my d800e. So it depends a lot on what is being photographed. I used a 20mm f/3.5 for years and it was quite a nice lens as I remember. I do not believe we worried about the extreme corners much back then so I can't say if it was good or bad. Joe

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    Re: 28mm: what's people's favourite, and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by jsf View Post
    I like the 28mm and the 20mm angle of view a lot, the 28mm for PR or events shooting and the 20mm for more general use. Saying that when I shoot PR or events I use an ancient 28mm f/3.5. At f/8 it is as sharp as a lens needs to be in the center and borders and is good in the corners. The lens is small and light weight has very good flare resistance and is so lowly regarded that one can buy one in LN- or EX+ for about $70. For an industrial assignment I would use my 17-35 in a heartbeat, it is practically glued on to my d800e. So it depends a lot on what is being photographed. I used a 20mm f/3.5 for years and it was quite a nice lens as I remember. I do not believe we worried about the extreme corners much back then so I can't say if it was good or bad. Joe
    Hey Joe,

    this is precisely the point... lenses that were very good back in the day, aren't considered even passable today with these super-Mp new sensors The good side to it is that these oldies can be picked up pretty much for a song and if you don't like them resold for just about the same few coins, which led itself to experimentation...
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