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    Dust settled users of D800E!

    Hi D800E users,

    Now the dust has settled from its release and there are many "longer term" users of the D800/E, I'd like to know what you think about the camera.

    Comparisons coming from 20+MP to 36MP, even as a compliment to Medium format, how much mileage has it gotten you that you're okay leaving your MF more in the bag or not. It's not a slagging-off thread, but I'm really like to know honest opinions from users.

    I've owned a lot of the Canon/Nikon lenses up to 200mm, and know there are limitations, compared to larger format cameras, but it seems a lot of the newer Nikon f1.8G primes are performing quite well from reviews and threads here. I'd love to hear collective opinion from those who are willing to share and whether or not Nikon bringing 36MP has really come that far!

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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    my biggest issue was not being able to use the Zeiss 110/2 lens and get the same DOF/look on the D800E (framing the image the same as I would have on the Aptus 75s). I've come close with the 50mm 1.2 but if I really want that look.. i hook it up to my MF film camera and shoot.

    a minor nit.. easily overcome by shooting the same as you would with a MF digital setup.. is the sheer quantity of disk space used by images. I had to slow down my Nikon 35mm shooting style to be a little closer to how I shot the Mamiya 645 & Aptus (1.1fps vs 4fps)

    no other real issues at all


    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Hi D800E users,

    Now the dust has settled from its release and there are many "longer term" users of the D800/E, I'd like to know what you think about the camera.

    Comparisons coming from 20+MP to 36MP, even as a compliment to Medium format, how much mileage has it gotten you that you're okay leaving your MF more in the bag or not. It's not a slagging-off thread, but I'm really like to know honest opinions from users.

    I've owned a lot of the Canon/Nikon lenses up to 200mm, and know there are limitations, compared to larger format cameras, but it seems a lot of the newer Nikon f1.8G primes are performing quite well from reviews and threads here. I'd love to hear collective opinion from those who are willing to share and whether or not Nikon bringing 36MP has really come that far!

    Thanks,
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    Dust settled users of D800E !


    Jim, I recall that Cindy bolted some Mamiya lenses on a Nikon D700, see post # 32 and 36 in this thread: http://www.getdpi.com/forum/nikon/67...ging-life.html

    Have you tried to do the same with your Zeiss 110/2 ?

    Of course framing and DOF / look would be different like you say, but maybe still worth a try ?

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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E !

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    Jim, I recall that Cindy bolted some Mamiya lenses on a Nikon D700, see post # 32 and 36 in this thread: http://www.getdpi.com/forum/nikon/67...ging-life.html

    Have you tried to do the same with your Zeiss 110/2 ?

    Of course framing and DOF / look would be different like you say, but maybe still worth a try ?
    yea.. have the adapter.. and shoot with it all the time (still one of my favorite lenses of all time) on the D800. Just doesn't have the same look/feel as on a larger sensor/film

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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    A quick few thoughts about the D800E:

    - I can't see what the business case was for Nikon to introduce a special "E" version
    - given the resolution, autofocus is hit-and-miss fo any lens wide open
    - I rediscovered manual focus lenses - some 'cheap' lenses perform admirably
    - My one reason to keep using MF was bokeh and DR. Shooting ETTR addressed some of the DR challenge. Again some manual focus lenses excel in bokeh.
    - Oddly I find myself cropping 4:5 aspect ratio more often - a MF (or even more ancient) residu?
    - camera is now back in Melville for service - autofocus gave up. I am thinking that I did not consistently move the focus lever (on the camera body) to "MF" when I shot with a manual lens...

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    The D800E has the resolution IF you can find a capable lens.
    With the proper lens, the camera can certainly deliver the MF
    character.

    I have started using Leica R lenses with an adapter to glean that
    special MF draw.

    The DOF is reduced compared to a lower resolution DSLR; it is
    indeed more like MF. This is not necessarily bad.

    The issue with manual focus lenses, is that the viewfinder is NOT
    the equivalent of MF cameras (e.g. a Leica S2) making it more
    difficult to manually focus. "Everyone" says to use LiveView to
    obtain critical focus. The problem is that this is difficult outside
    in bright daylight, or outside at dawn or twilight, or... the problem
    is that the LV screen does not tilt and is highly susceptible to glare,
    reflections, etc. You can try to use a Hoodman, but that is awkward.

    But, the D800E is a fraction (decimal place) the cost of a MF camera
    such as a Leica S2.

    I have made 40x60 inch prints from D800E images with no difficulty.

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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    The D800E is my quick and dirty camera. For important work, I use my 645D. The D800 is a great 35mm camera, but it is a 35mm camera. My RX-1 is used more than my D800--pixel aren't everything.

    The D800 is a 35mm camera and so has the same DoF as any 35mm. It is a bit of a brick to hold. And the viewfinder is small so it is harder to use for MF--compared to MFD. I found AF good in the D800.

    As a 35mm DSLR, it is great. If it has what you need, I would not hesitate to recommend one--I still recommend folks pick up the camera if they can because cameras can be personal. All the buttons (even compared with the 645D) are a little confusing at first and there seems to be a lot of them. But like anything, with use, you get to figure out where everything is.

    There is more to format than the number of pixels it has. It is not a MFD camera--my P25+ MFDB has a richness my RX-1 does not. It is not an APS camera either. But the images from the D800 are very, very nice. Is it MFD quality? Who cares and your audience is not going to know.

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    Other than the perspective control I have on my 4x5 and 8x10, I have found that since the d800e I am finding no interest in going back to large format film. I am retired so no more clients as such, and the d800e has such a nice quality that I am quite happy with it. Virtually all of my lenses are very old primes which perform beautifully. I am even surprised by an old 28mm H f/3.5 which I had not expected it to perform at all. It probably depends more on what one is used to and what one expects. I still use the 4x5, with an old (Packard shutter) Cooke 13" portrait lens, but now I attach the Nikon to it and stitch landscapes with it. Joe

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    My D800 can be processed to look as good as an E model. This camera has the best dynamic range of any (including MFD) that I've used. This is important if you blow the highlights or need detail in shadows with no noise or banding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigrudlin View Post
    The issue with manual focus lenses, is that the viewfinder is NOT
    the equivalent of MF cameras (e.g. a Leica S2) making it more
    difficult to manually focus. "Everyone" says to use LiveView to
    obtain critical focus. The problem is that this is difficult outside
    in bright daylight, or outside at dawn or twilight, or... the problem
    is that the LV screen does not tilt and is highly susceptible to glare,
    reflections, etc. You can try to use a Hoodman, but that is awkward.
    Have you tried a electronic viewfinder? It is awkward too, and clumsy, but works very nicely. See for example Overview | SmallHD

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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    It's as good as medium format. The argument is redundant so far as I am concerned. I now rarely use my H4D-50, even in the studio. Then again, the camera I use day to day the most is the Sigma DP2M which has the finest lens/sensor combination (at low ISO) of any camera I have ever used.
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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    Likes:
    -Everything about the sensor
    -Growing availability of excellent lenses to take advantage of this sensor
    -Prints compete easily with prints from my 4x5
    -Non-E version can match results of E version with the right processing (meaning: AA filter is brilliantly designed)
    -Automatic horizon is super cool

    Surprise Likes:
    -High ISO performance (never cared about this, but it's so good that it inspired a whole project)
    -Auto ISO (same as above)

    Dislikes:
    -Live view implementation is workable but sub-standard
    -User presets are a disaster and completely unworkable
    -A lot of inelegant user interface stuff
    -I wish it were physically bigger, to fit a bit better in my hands

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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    Bottom line it's getting the job done with very little issues. But like anything else I thrown good glass at it and it does well. My stable at the moment is a 2 kit setup. I need a PR type kit so the 24-70 is a given along with the 70-200f4 but I'm not a zoom fan outside this type of work . So than I have a Samyang 14mm, Zeiss 25 F2 which I think maybe the best wide there is among them all than the Sigma 35mm 1.4 which is rated the best in that focal length, just because its small and cheap 50 1.8g which is handy sometimes. 60 macro which is very good but people ignore it. 85 1.8g which I think extremely good than on the buy books is the Zeiss 135 f2. And like to get my 200 f2 back someday. I also need the 7100 for some specific work.

    Right now I want something small with a zoom Maybe Nex 7 or Fuji ex-1 I think it's called but I need to analyze these as I have not been paying any attention to this size cam. Also It has to be able to process in C1 or I won't buy it.
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    Guy, we have such a similar stable of lenses. I have a NEX-7 but most of the zooms are ho-hum so I just use an RX-100, which if there's even moderate light is usually good enough and often excellent.

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    The D800E has exceeded my expectations . My work is primarily street and travel (like a trip to Paris ) . I had quite a bit of experience with the D3X so the lens alternatives were not new to me . I have excellent eye sight and more experience with manual focus than auto focus . Tried most of the nikon and zeiss alternatives and settled on the Leica R lenses .

    My current kit includes modified Leica R 19/28/50 1.4/80/100APO . I have not yet converted my telephotos from R to Nikon mounts . I work with two bodies and rarely use a tripod . Most of my work is shown in small portfolios or prints of 13x19 ...I want the aesthetic or look of the images to be very uniform . (I cant use best of class because the aesthetics are different ...although I may give the Zeiss 25/2 a try ). I mention this because the subjects you focus on and your specific output requirements have a huge impact on the camera system that works for you .

    Focusing is a big issue with any DSLR than uses 36MP ..you can see the slightest miss . Standard DOF tables don t apply and hyperfocal techniques don t work . Focusing with the faster lenses is easy ....the 50 summilux is a snap . Less so with the 28 and 19 . Keep in mind my subject is normally within 20 ft and frequently closer than 10ft ..so its pretty big on the screen . I use techniques similar to my M rangefinder ..I look for an edge to make sure I am close and then I check in front and behind the subject (focus on the eye check the nose and ear ) . AF is about 10-15% better but AF lenses don t meet my desired aesthetic.

    The higher ISO performance exceeds my expectations ...the range of 800-3200 equals evening in NYC .....in that range the perfomance is excellent . The DR and color fidelity holds up . 6400 works but you better nail the exposure as you have no latitude in post . At base ISO the IQ is the best I ve seen in Full Frame .

    Color can be an issue and this would bother me if I was a landscape photographer . When I do a shoot I have to pull out the Passport Color Checker and create a color profile for each type of light . When shooting in mixed light the files are no fun . You can definitely get there but its not "straight out of the camera " at least for me in LR4. It takes some effort to neutralize the Nikon s bias toward yellow ( warm) renderings . I envy those that use Capture One or can tolerate NX2 because they seem to get a better color response than LR4 . Try processing the same files in NX2 and you will see the correct color rendering and frankly more detail (should be a separate topic).

    Size ..I find the size issue to be biased by assuming the bloated heavy nikon zoom lenses . Even many of the Zeiss Zf lenses are big and heavy . With a 50 summilux R and 28 2.8 Elmarit R on two bodies without the grips ...the size is fine . They are discrete enough in the city ,not too heavy and fit my hand ( I am an XL ) . If you want AF the 1.8 lenses are all small by comparison .

    There are a lot of ways to set up the D800/E and my kit is set up for a specific type of shooting . I have used the D800/E for Polo (as tough as it gets for movement and a test of any AF ) ,events (where the short AF zooms shine ) . The best Nikon ever IMHO.

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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    Thanks for replies everyone, there's a lot of good information to go by here.

    I'd like to specifically ask: How do I process the D800 files in LR to get them like the "E" version, is it as simple as a sharpness issue, or something more involved?

    Thank you!
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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    The D800E has exceeded my expectations .
    This is possibly the most succinct endorsement of this camera you can make -- and I couldn't agree more

    Bottom line is find glass that generates the look you want, and you are off and running with no need to look back.

    Oh, and I shoot both a regular D800 and a D800E -- you can process either to emulate the other for about 92% of all situations. However, each does own say 4% of the remaining situations where it excels over the other.
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    Re: Dust settled users of D800E!

    Just as a counter point to the love fest, I sold mine.

    For travel where I want long exposure or high ISO I'm happy with the D600 and 24mp. Less glass issues and no weird focus problems. The D800 does have a better AF layout though. Live view sucks on both the D600 and D800 compared to Canon so I didn't lose anything there.

    For pure travel, I prefer my Fujis.

    When I want the grandeur of pixels and color rendering then I'm still shooting with my Phase One IQ160 & P25+ with the DF and Alpa. No disrespect to the Nikon platform (especially as a long long term Nikon shooter) but I still prefer the big gun.

    At the end of the day I suspect the biggest issue is that I just don't like 2:3 image format.

    Just thought I'd shout out from the non-D800 (or ex-D800e in my case) wilderness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    However, each does own say 4% of the remaining situations where it excels over the other.
    Hi Jack,

    Could you be more specific or an example as to where each one would excel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    T'd like to specifically ask: How do I process the D800 files in LR to get them like the "E" version, is it as simple as a sharpness issue, or something more involved?
    Here's an in-depth article on the subject.

    In short, increase your sharpening radius by 0.5 pixels with the d800 vs. the d800E, and you should be very close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Just as a counter point to the love fest, I sold mine. For travel where I want long exposure or high ISO I'm happy with the D600 and 24mp. Less glass issues and no weird focus problems.
    From my experience, I agree completely with this assessment too. The D600 turned out to be the "little engine that could"! If I only had a need to shoot with it more often. As Graham mentioned, the D800 AF performance and attributes and overall layout has the edge over the D600.

    If more resolution is required, like Graham, a MF digital will be substituted but the shooting circumstances must be appropriate. ie: no fast moving subjects under low light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    From my experience, I agree completely with this assessment too. The D600 turned out to be the "little engine that could"! If I only had a need to shoot with it more often. As Graham mentioned, the D800 AF performance and attributes and overall layout has the edge over the D600.

    If more resolution is required, like Graham, a MF digital will be substituted but the shooting circumstances must be appropriate. ie: no fast moving subjects under low light.

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    I understand your logic but my experience has been different . I use my D800E s primarily for all purpose street and travel shooting ...where I expect to need ISO in the range of 800-3200 . The challenge in street photography(that I am concerned about) is getting a high enough shutter speed to stop the movement (camera and subject movement ) while having enough EV not lose the shadows into mush.

    No question higher MP cameras produce more "visible blur" ..you can just see it . So you could argue that going to a lower MP file gives you an edge . This is of course the logic of keeping the D4 at 16MP ....a sweet spot between IQ and ability to get the shot .

    Initially I was concerned that the large D800/E files would be just too darn difficult to get right and maybe not worth it . After almost a year shooting in a variety of situations ..I am finding that I can make the D800/E perform well beyond expectations . For example:

    1. I shot POLO with the D800/E and my 600/4 lens . I found the shutter speeds to be close to what I would use on my D4 . Maybe one EV more . But the files were beautiful and could be easily worked .

    2. I shot at Christmas in NYC ..mostly late afternoon and evening ..in the ISO range 800-6400. The files held up like nothing I have seen before .

    Sorry if this appears as rambling ...but the trade off between the D600 and D800/E seems to be marginal (less than one EV) improvement in reducing "blur effects" verse having the larger MP file with better DR and color response . Thus I have concluded that given a choice ..the D800/E seems to have greater versatility .

    Clearly concede that 23MP is enough for most all applications and that smaller size and lower cost favor the D600.
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    I'm not sure if anyone was actually suggesting this, but it's just mistaken to think that more pixels makes it harder to make sharp pictures. They just make it easier to see the blur. Viewing at 100% on screen is like looking at your image with a stronger loupe.

    If you were to compare prints at the same size between two otherwise identical cameras, the one with more pixels would never be at a disadvantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Hi Jack,

    Could you be more specific or an example as to where each one would excel?

    Thanks,
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    D800 for people/fabric/skin renders a generally smoother, more pleasing result with few moire issues.

    D800E for landscape, architecture or reproduction.
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    After about a year with the D800E and a short period with a couple of D800's (one IR720nm and the other full spectrum), I think the D800 and E are all extremely mature platforms, and the IQ is very good.

    I used Canon for the past 12 years, and just ventured into Nikon with the D800E. A few things worked better for me....and not necessarily just IQ. I liked the ergonomics a lot better, much more tactile. I liked the auto ISO implementation a lot better. Most importantly, I felt some of the glass in the 14-100mm range was stellar. Beyond this, I think it is a close call either way, with the exception of the Canon 135/F2 which really does not have a similar play in Nikon. I am hoping the new Zeiss will fill that gap, albeit in MF.

    Minor quibbles -- green cast on the LCD, should have been addressed a long time ago. LV, marginally better on the 5DIII. Video, again, perhaps a little better for critical work, but not my thing.

    So, I am very happy with the D800's and D800E. I also like the fact that Nikon has a more gradual semi-pro to pro line. I had the 5DII and IDSIII at one point, and these were two different animals. What a waste of a great sensor in the 5DII with the AF system that it had.

    I still miss my 85/1.2 (the 85/1.4 Nikkor is still a stellar lens), the MP-E65, and then135F2. Otherwise, no complaints. The 24/25/85 1.4G are all very good, and I do feel I gained some IQ in these lenses. The 14-24 is fantastic as a single UWA. The 200F2 is in someways better ergonomically than my previous Canon 200F2. The recent addition of a Coastal Optics 60mm Macro has made my Nikon lens lineup even more exciting.

    Sorry for the ramble....as for IQ, I still still reach for my other kit when I have the time to invest on being creative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    Dave and Graham

    I understand your logic but my experience has been different . I use my D800E s primarily for all purpose street and travel shooting ...where I expect to need ISO in the range of 800-3200 . The challenge in street photography(that I am concerned about) is getting a high enough shutter speed to stop the movement (camera and subject movement ) while having enough EV not lose the shadows into mush.

    No question higher MP cameras produce more "visible blur" ..you can just see it . So you could argue that going to a lower MP file gives you an edge . This is of course the logic of keeping the D4 at 16MP ....a sweet spot between IQ and ability to get the shot .

    Initially I was concerned that the large D800/E files would be just too darn difficult to get right and maybe not worth it . After almost a year shooting in a variety of situations ..I am finding that I can make the D800/E perform well beyond expectations . For example:

    1. I shot POLO with the D800/E and my 600/4 lens . I found the shutter speeds to be close to what I would use on my D4 . Maybe one EV more . But the files were beautiful and could be easily worked .

    2. I shot at Christmas in NYC ..mostly late afternoon and evening ..in the ISO range 800-6400. The files held up like nothing I have seen before .

    Sorry if this appears as rambling ...but the trade off between the D600 and D800/E seems to be marginal (less than one EV) improvement in reducing "blur effects" verse having the larger MP file with better DR and color response . Thus I have concluded that given a choice ..the D800/E seems to have greater versatility .

    Clearly concede that 23MP is enough for most all applications and that smaller size and lower cost favor the D600.
    Roger, in my opinion, the tradeoffs are relatively small when comparing the D600 and 800/e for most uses. I can cite exaples where one or the other might inch ahead and excell but the areas are few and far inbetween, having shot both. This is aside from the file size and resolution of each.

    If I didn't have access to medium format, then having a 36MP camera for large format prints (in my case) would be a must. Since I do (have that access), I much prefer to use the smaller 24MP files size of the D600 when that resolution is adaquate or need the ability to shoot low light moving subjects (as opposed to the medium format camera, for obvious reasons. This is especially so when working with hundreds of images from single shoot...for obvious reasons.

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    :Genuine thumbs up from me too - one day I might read the manual and figure out all the u-beaut stuff all the buttons are supposed to do too - I wish it was made in a D3/D4 series type body though - the battery grip doesn't improve grip for large hands as well as it could. Probably teh best 'value' camera money can buy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Roger, in my opinion, the tradeoffs are relatively small when comparing the D600 and 800/e for most uses. I can cite exaples where one or the other might inch ahead and excell but the areas are few and far inbetween, having shot both. This is aside from the file size and resolution of each.

    If I didn't have access to medium format, then having a 36MP camera for large format prints (in my case) would be a must. Since I do (have that access), I much prefer to use the smaller 24MP files size of the D600 when that resolution is adaquate or need the ability to shoot low light moving subjects (as opposed to the medium format camera, for obvious reasons. This is especially so when working with hundreds of images from single shoot...for obvious reasons.

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    You are of course correct ..we are talking about small differences here . I find the size weight and handling of the D800E (without the grip) to be perfect to my hand . So if I can get a slightly bigger file ,slightly better features etc .. I would take the D800E .

    I do feel if I were shooting events and some types of commercial work that even an APS C sized DSLR maybe enough and would have the benefits of smaller files and way less cost .

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    You are of course correct ..we are talking about small differences here . I find the size weight and handling of the D800E (without the grip) to be perfect to my hand . So if I can get a slightly bigger file ,slightly better features etc .. I would take the D800E .

    I do feel if I were shooting events and some types of commercial work that even an APS C sized DSLR maybe enough and would have the benefits of smaller files and way less cost .
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    Agreed! Although I'm not implying that shooting with a D800 hand held at shutter speeds higherthan the reciprocal of the focal length can't be sharp (they most certainly can!)...for any number of reasons I sometimes found shooting the D600 this way lent itself to more predictable subject or "point of focus" shots being "in-focus", with the D600 as opposed to the D800 and ultiumately consistantly sharper photos as a result. Others I've spoken with and who have used both cameras felt that way too. I'm not speaking about what's observed on a monitor relative to the degree of viewing enlargement, but in large prints or test crops of images made into prints.

    It's not simply due to the greater # of D800 pixels since hand held shooting with a 40MP DMF camera at similar effective focal lengths and shutter speeds didn't seem to have this attribute (or anomaly). What possibly could contribute to this phenominon (and observation) I can't definitely say, but some have suggested it may be partly due to the D800 AF system (maybe a function of internal programing)....which leads to occasional (and sometimes more than occasional misfocusing for reasons partly unknown. Hard to say why but unfortunately this trait is neither consistent nor predictable and may depend on multiple factors such as lighting, color temp, and overall camera set up and the particulars of the individual shooting situation. Not everyone has experienced this with their D800/e.

    I've borrowed a D800e body that for landscape work nailed focus almost all of the time with all sensors ..but for some inexplicable reason did occasionally miss. Yet when I shot that same camera in a more dynamic situation, consistancy of accurate AF was more often (on occasion) hit or miss. This was not the case but when shooting with the D600 in the exact same shooting situation nor with other lower MP bodies. I have no explanation for these observations. Yet for all intent and purposes the D800/e is a tremedous value and a fabulous versitile camera.

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    Bottom line it's getting the job done with very little issues. But like anything else I thrown good glass at it and it does well. My stable at the moment is a 2 kit setup. I need a PR type kit so the 24-70 is a given along with the 70-200f4 but I'm not a zoom fan outside this type of work . So than I have a Samyang 14mm, Zeiss 25 F2 which I think maybe the best wide there is among them all than the Sigma 35mm 1.4 which is rated the best in that focal length, just because its small and cheap 50 1.8g which is handy sometimes. 60 macro which is very good but people ignore it. 85 1.8g which I think extremely good than on the buy books is the Zeiss 135 f2. And like to get my 200 f2 back someday. I also need the 7100 for some specific work.

    Right now I want something small with a zoom Maybe Nex 7 or Fuji ex-1 I think it's called but I need to analyze these as I have not been paying any attention to this size cam. Also It has to be able to process in C1 or I won't buy it.
    Guy, I have owned Nex5n, Nex7 and X-Pro1 - the One I have kept I like best (from the small cameras) is the OMD with fav lenses (the new f2.8 Pana 12-35, 35-100 if you like zoom, and 25/1.4 and 75/1.8 if you like primes).
    The IQ is surprizingly good for such small sensor, I really like the Oly-colors, and the AF is pretty fast, and its also good for movie.
    Plus its weatherproof! Tom

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    At camera store as we speak. Going to check these out again. Thanks
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    I shot the OMD in Zion and I liked it a lot
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    Depressing I played with the Nex 6 and 7. Nikon 7100 and the Sony Rx100. I bought nothing but the little Sony was damn cool. No Olys or Fuji in any models I wanted. The D7100 I could use but its not a travel toy.

    Sorry this is OT. Maybe we need a help me decide forum just for people with serious GAS. We should induct 3 shrinks as leaders of the forum. 3 representatives from B&h just for balance. Lol
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    Sorry this is OT. Maybe we need a help me decide forum just for people with serious GAS. We should induct 3 shrinks as leaders of the forum. 3 representatives from B&h just for balance. Lol
    I believe that this exists over on the MF thread It also includes participation from some wealth management folks too (or mis-management?).
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    And maybe a lawyer for estate management and wills.

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    Just a quick question, throwing it out there:
    Is the issue of the green LCD still there or has there been a fix?

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    [QUOTE=glenerrolrd;500755 "Focusing is a big issue with any DSLR than uses 36MP ..you can see the slightest miss . Standard DOF tables don t apply and hyperfocal techniques don t work."]

    Can you please elaborate further on the DOF issue and why standard hyperfocal techniques don't work. I experienced some recent issues in this area. Relied on a DOF table as well as the depth field scale on the lens, and was quite disappointed. Thanks.

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    Have you tried a electronic viewfinder? It is awkward too, and clumsy, but works very nicely. See for example Overview | SmallHD
    How would you mount this to a D800? In a flash shoe?
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    Had a D600 before I finally sold this and got the D800e - just a few days before I went to Paris for some days.

    The first evening, I always visit the Eiffel Tower. I had my D800E with the 24-70 2.8 with me. Handheld ...

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    D800E, Nikkor 24-70 @ 40mm, f 5.0, 1/250 sec, ISO 220. NO sharpening: Can you read the Names in the middle of the building ?

    I'm more than impressed.

    Eiffeltower from the Trocadero. Full-Size: 6688x4464, 10.2 MB
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    Can you please elaborate further on the DOF issue and why standard hyperfocal techniques don't work. I experienced some recent issues in this area. Relied on a DOF table as well as the depth field scale on the lens, and was quite disappointed. Thanks.
    Once I experienced the detail the D800 could deliver with a good lens I became much more aware of true focus. IE the difference between the point of focus and the margins of what was once the acceptable DOF. Before this camera I often used a zone focus approach based on tables and was generally happy with the results. Now I'm usually in manual live-view mode and checking critical focus on a laptop when I'm on a tripod, which is most of the time.

    Likely has to do with resolving power and size of circle of confusion or some-such. I just think my personal taste for acceptable DOF got thinner. Maybe it's more like the point of focus got sharper and made the margins look softer.
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    I agree with Charles, the plane of focus on the d800e that I have is stunning, no matter what lens, as long is it at the optimal f/stop the plane of focus is distinguishable from the depth of field. I have only seen that at maximum f/stops in close ups before this. The quality of resolution is spectacular. The possibility of screw ups is infinite. I thought originally it would only be my tripod camera, but I use it hand held now and my poor d700 languishes. I didn't think I would like the camera as much as I do. But it does make me a more careful photographer which I think is funny since I have always thought of myself as careful, but it is much more demanding, much like large format is more demanding. I think that is why I like it so much. Joe

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    [QUOTE=cerett;502667]
    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd;500755 "Focusing is a big issue with any DSLR than uses 36MP ..you can see the slightest miss . Standard DOF tables don t apply and hyperfocal techniques don t work."

    Can you please elaborate further on the DOF issue and why standard hyperfocal techniques don't work. I experienced some recent issues in this area. Relied on a DOF table as well as the depth field scale on the lens, and was quite disappointed. Thanks.
    It could be that you do not print and are looking at your images at 100% on a monitor--100% is not a real-world viewing distance and DoF is related to viewing distance. I use a D800E and Pentax 645D and I am not seeing anything particularly special about DOF. I use zone focusing for both. Dividing an image into smaller sections does not make it softer or less sharp.

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    Just a small update now I'm treading back in Nikon camp with the D800.

    I used to make it a point how I struggle with colors, especially with Asian skin tones. Well, this is no longer the case. The sensor in 35mm world is truly wonderful, there's a lot to love about the camera and its sensor and is just a beauty to work with in LR.

    My niggle though, isn't with the D800, there's a few small things in itself, but minor. My niggle I speak of is the QC of lenses that reach the stores. AF tuning so far off for critical focus or alignment issues, I have to return the lenses back to the vendor.

    I now have refunds for my 50mm and 85mm f/1.8G lenses. Kept the 28mm f/1.8G and 60mm Micro. It's not something I faced during my ownership time with the D700. Oh well.
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    It is an argument for manual focusing. I have been retraining myself for manual focusing even in action pictures for a variety of my own reasons. Partuially since I have mostly manual focus primes, but that isn't all of it. I find that I can previsualize much better if I go to completely manual. Manual exposure and manual focusing, it forces me to shoot in that zone between conscious and unconscious. So My conscious part is that technical guy and my unconscious part is in the moment emotional guy. I find that for me that works really well. With the d800e I have just been falling in love with the camera and finding that these old lenses are really spectacular with this high quality sensor. Joe

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    Bottom line on the D800E you just have to nail focus. Its pretty tough on the file when you don't. Bottom line you need to up your game as a shooter just like you would with medium format you have to think more on being stable, being accurate and get rid of any sloppy habits you have. It will teach you to be a better photographer though in spite that its harder to shoot. But on the same token lenses are problematic with it as you need to get ones that are accurate from the factory and yes that has been tough. I just bought a new 50 1.4 and its -15 on the AF adjust. IMHO okay I'll forget the large number to make it accurate but its disheartening to know Im all over the map on my glass. Some at -4 some dead on and than this at -15 and this is the second one I tried. It pisses you off but in the end the files when you get everything right are extremely good. I'm not big on complaining about these things but it does crawl under your skin sometimes.
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    Yes, imagine how many customer frustrations and service resources could be saved if Nikon made an affordable do-it-yourself autofocus adjustment dock or kit.

    Feel free to use this hint, Nikon

    Has anybody tried to use the Sigma USB dock for autofocus adjustments on some Sigma F-mount lenses ?

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    Have it on order. end of month
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    What a great thread, it is going to take a large cup of coffee to make it through it in sitting. lol. Thanks for all the great input, as I ponder my own delve into D800E territory. I'm no Nikon newb, that's for sure. I pretty much cut my digital teeth on Nikon (D200, D2X, D2Xs, D700, D3S, D3X), so as I unloaded my heavy pro cameras (with much remorse I might add on the last 2), I look to add to my remaining D700 on the Nikon side , more capability, and this near medium format look that everyone has either gushed about or hated, depending on your perspective I guess. But on the same vein as what Guy is talking about, working to be a better photographer. I willi bet that many of the people that got frustrated, didn't put those good habits to work that are required when the medium shows EVERYTHING you do right, and EVERYTHING you do wrong.

    Glass, I know Nikon glass pretty well, so I think I can handle this, especially under 100mm, and a 200mm. I gave up my long glass, for now, longer than 200 and a 1.4 TC, that is. I've had a lot of great glass, I'm down some now, due to Leica investment, but I'll get by.

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    Guy,
    I feel your pain regarding the lens A/F fine tune issue. I have been through 3 bodies all with left focus issues and some needing more than -20 on the A/F fine tune.
    Do you have this issue with MF????, say a 645 D+, P45/65 and Schneider lenses?..or are they pretty much perfect out of the box. D800/E is a great product, but the aggravation to get accurate gear is over the top. Just curious if you have theses heartaches with MF?

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    Bottom line on the D800E you just have to nail focus. Its pretty tough on the file when you don't. Bottom line you need to up your game as a shooter just like you would with medium format you have to think more on being stable, being accurate and get rid of any sloppy habits you have. It will teach you to be a better photographer though in spite that its harder to shoot. But on the same token lenses are problematic with it as you need to get ones that are accurate from the factory and yes that has been tough. I just bought a new 50 1.4 and its -15 on the AF adjust. IMHO okay I'll forget the large number to make it accurate but its disheartening to know Im all over the map on my glass. Some at -4 some dead on and than this at -15 and this is the second one I tried. It pisses you off but in the end the files when you get everything right are extremely good. I'm not big on complaining about these things but it does crawl under your skin sometimes.

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    I sold back my D800 because I still prefer my D700. I concentrate on the glasses and found in this thread some useful combinations, like Sekor glass on D700... I might try it

    Sure, the D800 is a great tool, but for me it is just a tool. Do not have the same soul as the D700, whateva you do. D700 + 50f1.2 is just simply magic.

    For the rest, you guys should try foveon's way, as Sir Bargate mentioned !

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