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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post

    ... and the gods know I have FAR more equipment than I need already. :-)

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    This is unfortunately the real truth for many of us - including me of course

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    Functionally, a lot rides on the viewfinder. If it doesn't come with a focusing screen tuned for manual focus of fast-aperture lenses, or interchangeable screens with a properly-tuned MF screen as an option, then all the blather about being able to use all the old lenses is just a nasty tease.
    Yes, it all comes down to this.

    The rest is just like Taco Bell…take the same ingredients and mix them up in different ways.

    FM pentaprism, buttons and dials ala F4, and the usual digital back pieces from any number of Dxxx models.

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    Yea but Taco Bell its not even real meat. LOL
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    Yo quiero Nikon Df.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Smoking Camera View Post
    Yo quiero Nikon Df.
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    Not enough dials! Grr.
    Where's aperture?

    I do like the 16mpx sensor, not running after them young whippersnappers ...

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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    While I realize the practical reasons for dual cord slots, I don't see the application here. Did the Nikon F-Series mount two rolls of film at the same time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulfric Douglas View Post
    I do like the 16mpx sensor, not running after them young whippersnappers ...
    Yeah, I mean, seriously, 12mp of the D700 worked really well for most applications, 16 will be just fine. I make prints (I know, how 'old-school') and 16 will make lovely 16x20 prints.

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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

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    link broken
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    They "corrected" the link. The prices were leaked anyway should have taken a screen grab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    I managed to put a pre-order in on the black body before the link for that item was taken down.

    Reading through the product description. Really there is nothing special about this camera. Cheaper body with the D4 sensor but coupled with worse AF system (which is fine).

    This is seriously a joke. I don't really understand the point of this camera. I can buy a D800E, down rez the picture to 16mp and get really close ISO performance....

    Huge fail at this price point... Would've been a different story around 2k.

    P.S. When I got my order in, it says the camera will be released on Nov. 28th.

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    link broken
    They have taken down the price and the pre-order link.

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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    Well, if I wanted to make functional camera with a retro look and feel then this is pretty much what it would look like. Especially the silver one.

    ISO dial goes to H4 so definitely the D4 sensor. For a photographer who wants the best sensor on the market but not the heft and price tag of a D4 it looks well priced at 3K.

    For us cheapskates it's a different story.
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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    still had it on my desktop…

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    I`m in

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    Digital Nikon FM2


    D800 is a lot more camera for exactly the same money.
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    I'm disappointed, unfortunately. It it happened to be this small and with video, I'd have been in. But it seems pretty crippled for the price. I like having mechanical dials for key things like ISO, shutter and WB, but this seems poorly thought out. For the price of a D800, I could put up with the extra bulk.

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    I'm really happy, I now have $3k more for drugs and hookers, not going to waste the money on this! It looks like it can't make it's mind up what it wants to be.
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    To me the top plate aint all that bad, its a little "busy" but so was a F3 compared to my OM4. Somehow it looks busier in chrome than it does in black. Its strange that Fuji managed to make the X100 look clean as did Leica with the M8/9. Perhaps familiarity overtime will soften the look of the controls.

    I was never in on this one, but I can "appreciate" what they have tried.

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    My initial impressions agree, I think they missed the mark. My "mark" would have been a greatly simplified digital F3, not this disguised D600/D800.

    If I want "Pure" I will stick with my Leica M. Don't get me wrong, I love my D4 for everything it does, but I have it already.

    I was SO hoping for the manual shutter cocking lever that was in Jono's photo, but it appears that might have been the tail end of the strap instead.
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    Bleech! Not impressed. Reminds me of the Pentax K-01 with more unnecessary knobs and buttons. For full-frame users looking for a lightweight alternative - the new Sony A7/A7r/Rx1 still reigns supreme! Sorry Nikon. This reminds me of when Nikon released the coolpix A, then Ricoh just bested them with the GR......and it's cheaper to boot!

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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    here's my idea for an improved model, the DfP ("P" for "pure")
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    The back vs top/front look like two different cameras. Do we really need a bracket button? There is nothing pure about this camera.

    Nikon probably spent more time making those teaser videos than actually planning this camera out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    For a photographer who wants the best sensor on the market but not the heft and price tag of a D4 it looks well priced at 3K.
    That prize, according to DXO Mark, belongs to the D800e and A7R.

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    Now that I've had a good look at the lens and compared it to the existing 50/1.8 G, it reminds me of the old 50/1.8 Series E - that lens started out as proudly plastic, then Nikon lost its nerve and redid the cosmetics with the silver ring and other changes to the finish to try to make it look more like a traditional Nikkor.

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    Head count 1 in 300 out. Not good.

    Sooooooooooooooooooo Sony whacha ya got. LOL
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    Frickin' beautiful, the silver one. It will sell out regardless of Guy's decision.
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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    That prize, according to DXO Mark, belongs to the D800e and A7R.
    If pixel count is the criteria, sure. For best rendering handheld at low light condition, not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Frickin' beautiful, the silver one. It will sell out regardless of Guy's decision.
    They will sell no question. Im just cheap and want performance for my money. No reason for a camera to look better than me. ROTFLMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oren Grad View Post
    +1

    It's a parody of the genuine article. Instead of cobbling together this Frankensteinian contraption, they should have defined the concept as "digital F3" and let Giugiaro have at it again.

    Functionally, a lot rides on the viewfinder. If it doesn't come with a focusing screen tuned for manual focus of fast-aperture lenses, or interchangeable screens with a properly-tuned MF screen as an option, then all the blather about being able to use all the old lenses is just a nasty tease.

    I believe that is one of the points where the future of this body will be decided.
    I if did have excellent manual focus lenses and a high resolution sensor, it could be, paired with the Otus lens line, an incredible tool. For landscape it seems to be lacking a proper shutter

    On the other hand, it may be that is designed as a collection item. It can also be an out for the D4 sensors (if they prove to be the same).

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    I wonder if it's possible to disable all the buttons on the back except the command wheel which is needed to adjust aperture on G-lenses.

    To me, it looks more and more like an F3/D700 mix. Unfortunately, they decided to include everything from both cameras instead of choosing only what is needed for "pure" photography. If that will increase of decrease the market potential of this "hybrid" will probably never be known, but I still look very much forward to actually trying it. I like the size, particularly the reduced thickness, it looks very cool, ergonomics look good, and the sensor is superb. I definitely want it if I can afford it

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    Are there any technical reasons you can think of why Nikon couldn't have made a digital F3 with controls as simple and uncluttered as a Leica M9?

    Drop the video, put a great pentaprism on it and a decent screen for manual focusing. Keep it simple (or if they insist "pure"). They could have sold a lot of AIS Nikkors.

    This DF is just a big disappointment.....especially to those who still enjoy "pure photography".

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    Then why did you put in a pre-order? I guess not a huge fail afterall

    Quote Originally Posted by bmacw View Post
    I managed to put a pre-order in on the black body before the link for that item was taken down.

    Reading through the product description. Really there is nothing special about this camera. Cheaper body with the D4 sensor but coupled with worse AF system (which is fine).

    This is seriously a joke. I don't really understand the point of this camera. I can buy a D800E, down rez the picture to 16mp and get really close ISO performance....

    Huge fail at this price point... Would've been a different story around 2k.

    P.S. When I got my order in, it says the camera will be released on Nov. 28th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    here's my idea for an improved model, the DfP ("P" for "pure")
    How about no LCD screen
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    Great idea. A day late and a dollar short.

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    I'm the odd one out I guess. I like the way it looks. I like the dials and don't mind the thicker body. The VF for manual focus is the kicker for me. We'll see tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    Then why did you put in a pre-order? I guess not a huge fail afterall
    When the link on amazon opened, we didn't have any concrete spec on the camera yet.
    Pre-order first, decide later. Never heard of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjlapier View Post
    I'm the odd one out I guess. I like the way it looks. I like the dials and don't mind the thicker body. The VF for manual focus is the kicker for me. We'll see tomorrow.
    Ditto

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    wow, that is beautiful. would love to carry one around. to tell the truth any more than 16MP won't make a bit of difference in the pictures i take. nice looking camera. can't wait to see one at the local store when it shows up. too bad they can't make a memory card that looks like a film cansiter. i think i'll dust off my gossen and get one of these.

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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    My "other" DF looks a heck of a lot more pure than this thing

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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    Are there any technical reasons you can think of why Nikon couldn't have made a digital F3 with controls as simple and uncluttered as a Leica M9?

    Drop the video, put a great pentaprism on it and a decent screen for manual focusing. Keep it simple (or if they insist "pure"). They could have sold a lot of AIS Nikkors.

    This DF is just a big disappointment.....especially to those who still enjoy "pure photography".

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    Minimalist design isn't necessarily better. To me it looks like Nikon has designed with the photographer in mind. Less menus means more direct interaction.

    It's also a design choice - Nikon isn't Leica so it makes more sense to design a camera that looks like a retro Nikon than like a new Leica.

    Now, Nikon probably isn't that interested in selling old AIS lenses - they are mostly an embarrassment compared to current lenses (with a few exceptions of course).
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    Wait, this camera can't use legacy glasses? I remember reading that somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    Wait, this camera can't use legacy glasses? I remember reading that somewhere
    It can, even non-AI according to rumours.

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    Now, this is sexy:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    If pixel count is the criteria, sure. For best rendering handheld at low light condition, not so much.
    You can always down-res from 36mp to 16mp and achieve the same IQ in low light (handheld or otherwise). But in good light, you will never have the resolution that is possible from the 36mp sensor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Now, this is sexy:

    This comes close to the good looks of my favourite SLR, the FM3A (which I still own). It's a shame that it's so overweight, oversized and overpriced.

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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    It will look very cool with my 50/1.2 mounted
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    Re: Digital Nikon FM2

    Quote Originally Posted by lambert View Post
    You can always down-res from 36mp to 16mp and achieve the same IQ in low light (handheld or otherwise). But in good light, you will never have the resolution that is possible from the 36mp sensor.
    - If you look at photos from the D4 and the D800 taken at ISO 25,600, you will see that all colours, blacks in particular, look cleaner on the images from the D4 also after the D800 has been reduced to 16MP.

    - While maximum ISO for a D800 is 25,600, it's 204,800 for the D4 (and Df), 3 stops more.

    - A RAW file from the D800 is nearly 60MB while it's around 35MB for the D4. That translates into a need for almost twice the processing and disk capacity to handle the D800 files compared to those from the D4 (and Df).

    While there are photographers with a need for 36MP, the vast majority don't have that need. Clean ISO 204,800 files on the other hand, seems to be all the rage now

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