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    Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Thinking about making the investment. Wanted to see if there were any in the forum that have a first hand response to using the camera in a professional studio environment.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Are you solely interested in the optical characteristics, or are you interested in the overall handling characteristics and utility? Have you used the D3? The handling is pretty spectacular...
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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Yes. I use the D3 and M8 as my primary work horses. What im interested in is the output quality of the files. I was holding out for the S2 to make the jump. Was just wondering if the D3X might suit my studio needs.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    I loved the D3 handling, but was bored with the images.
    We will see.....
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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    From an economic standpoint, the D3x makes more sense in your case (and mine too, I just need more money and gigs to justify it). Investing in S2 requires not only a body but also the lenses and those won't be cheap. If you have good Nikkor glass, the D3x should give you image quality on par with the D300 (theoretically, based on pixel density) just with a heck of a lot more detail. I have seen test shots (author David Busch sent me some from his D3x) and they are very impressive for the amount of detail they provide.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    I think we need to see better examples from this camera ... from what I've seen so far, the smallest MFD back does a much better job ... and some of the Sony A900 work posted is also better looking.

    Hope it's just the samples so far, because personally I DO want Nikon to succeed and flourish with high end digital capture.

    IMO, they should've come out with a lower price point on this camera even if it proves itself to be killer machine. The 5DMKII and A900 are almost 3X less expensive if one were looking for a stop gap while waiting for a MFD camera to fit their needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I loved the D3 handling, but was bored with the images.
    We will see.....
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    Do you care to elaborate Bob? I'm curious about your reasons since I didn't like the D3 either.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    Do you care to elaborate Bob? I'm curious about your reasons since I didn't like the D3 either.
    The files never looked that good to me, just boring.
    I am not terribly sure if it was lens related, or AA filter related, but I think that I have been spoiled by the M8 and the Phase P45+.
    I want files to sing with detail and sharpness, or at least I would prefer to be in control. With the D3 it was just not really there.
    Some of the samples I have seen of the D3X are encouraging, but I am being a bit cautious now after the D3 experience. From the D3X samples I have seen, it could be that the issues were AA related, but before sinking that much for yet another new body, I would like to see a few good raw files before taking the jump.
    I did like the ergonomics, however, everything important that I needed mid-shoot was at my fingertips.
    was were your findings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The files never looked that good to me, just boring.
    I am not terribly sure if it was lens related, or AA filter related, but I think that I have been spoiled by the M8 and the Phase P45+.
    I want files to sing with detail and sharpness, or at least I would prefer to be in control. With the D3 it was just not really there.
    Some of the samples I have seen of the D3X are encouraging, but I am being a bit cautious now after the D3 experience. From the D3X samples I have seen, it could be that the issues were AA related, but before sinking that much for yet another new body, I would like to see a few good raw files before taking the jump.
    I did like the ergonomics, however, everything important that I needed mid-shoot was at my fingertips.
    was were your findings?
    thanks
    -bob
    I had the same experience as you, ergonomically a great camera but the images left me cold the same as it did with the D2x and D300 prior to that. I'm in love with my Fujis and have a Leaf 75s for high rez, I guess we're in the same boat.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    I had the same experience as you, ergonomically a great camera but the images left me cold the same as it did with the D2x and D300 prior to that. I'm in love with my Fujis and have a Leaf 75s for high rez, I guess we're in the same boat.
    David,
    Have you tried the Sony?

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    David,
    Have you tried the Sony?
    No but I looked into it and didn't make sense for me. For one I'm really happy with the S5 and don't really need anything more for now. 2nd, I have a very heavy investment in F mount glass, Nikkors, Zeiss, Hasselblads, etc., that I collected over the years and many of which I really like. Sony's main allure was the Zeiss AF lenses until I found out that there aren't any primes besides the 135mm yet, so no more temptation. Bottom line, as far 35mm is concerned the S5 is still THE camera for me, even medium format hasn't changed that. I'm not a pixel peeper and only do that when the images aren't right for me and thats what I did with the the D3 and the Sigma so they're gone, I'm seeing too much of that going on with the Sony too. High MP count isn't a substitute for tonal depth and range, maybe I'll bite if I find another dslr that beats the S5 in that department...

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    No but I looked into it and didn't make sense for me. For one I'm really happy with the S5 and don't really need anything more for now. 2nd, I have a very heavy investment in F mount glass, Nikkors, Zeiss, Hasselblads, etc., that I collected over the years and many of which I really like. Sony's main allure was the Zeiss AF lenses until I found out that there aren't any primes besides the 135mm yet, so no more temptation. Bottom line, as far 35mm is concerned the S5 is still THE camera for me, even medium format hasn't changed that. I'm not a pixel peeper and only do that when the images aren't right for me and thats what I did with the the D3 and the Sigma so they're gone, I'm seeing too much of that going on with the Sony too. High MP count isn't a substitute for tonal depth and range, maybe I'll bite if I find another dslr that beats the S5 in that department...
    There is also a Zeiss AF 85/1.4 Prime, and it has been offered for some time. Some of the Sony G series lenses are stellar optics ... for example my 70-200/2.8G APO visibly outperforms my Nikon 70-200/2.8VR as well as the Canon 70-200/2.8IS I had prior to the Nikon.

    The A900 is pretty new on the scene and needs to be further explored ... but one thing I've already taken note of that goes completely counter to your statement concerning tonal depth and range ... the various DR settings available on the A900 are astounding .... and I've not seen ANY current 35mm digital camera that can match it for versatility in different lighting conditions. Plus, it's full frame and 25 meg. I wouldn't put very much stock in some of the images posted from the A900 quite yet ... it takes awhile to get the most from something this new.

    The D3 is a work horse, and the images from the big pixel captures are excellent for applications like event and sports coverage ... where a Fuji or Sony would be to slow... and in my case shooting weddings not secure enough due to only single CF card capture. My D3 images haven't left me cold, they just needed zeroing in the custom settings in post. Nice stuff from it when using a Zeiss 110/2FE or my 250/4FE or Zeiss ZF 50/2 macro and ZF 28/2.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Marc,

    Care to share any of your custom PP D3/700 settings/workflow?

    I'd be curious (as I'm sure others would be ) to see how they tweak (in my case) some new D700 test shots I managed to take with the 14-24 and 70-200 VR yesterday. The 700 left me impressed (as did the glass).

    It took forever for local shops to get the 700 in so I relied on raw images from other shooters for testing. Hell, none of the local shops even carry the D3 - too high end for the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    There is also a Zeiss AF 85/1.4 Prime, and it has been offered for some time. Some of the Sony G series lenses are stellar optics ... for example my 70-200/2.8G APO visibly outperforms my Nikon 70-200/2.8VR as well as the Canon 70-200/2.8IS I had prior to the Nikon.

    The A900 is pretty new on the scene and needs to be further explored ... but one thing I've already taken note of that goes completely counter to your statement concerning tonal depth and range ... the various DR settings available on the A900 are astounding .... and I've not seen ANY current 35mm digital camera that can match it for versatility in different lighting conditions. Plus, it's full frame and 25 meg. I wouldn't put very much stock in some of the images posted from the A900 quite yet ... it takes awhile to get the most from something this new.
    Thanks for the info Mark, as I mentioned the mp count isn't really important to me but your comment regarding tonal range and DR is. I have to see what they have in the wide range since I rarely go above 35mm now and don't like to use zooms.

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    The D3 is a work horse, and the images from the big pixel captures are excellent for applications like event and sports coverage ... where a Fuji or Sony would be to slow... and in my case shooting weddings not secure enough due to only single CF card capture. My D3 images haven't left me cold, they just needed zeroing in the custom settings in post. Nice stuff from it when using a Zeiss 110/2FE or my 250/4FE or Zeiss ZF 50/2 macro and ZF 28/2.
    I see the D3's appeal for you and many others, in my case speed isn't an issue, well, unless I'm running after our 3 year old. I have all the ZF lenses and still couldn't get the D3 to sing. More than anything I wanted it to work for its wonderful view finder, that makes a huge difference in my case since I use mf lenses almost exclusively and my eyesight isn't what it used to be.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The files never looked that good to me, just boring.
    I am not terribly sure if it was lens related, or AA filter related, but I think that I have been spoiled by the M8 and the Phase P45+.
    I want files to sing with detail and sharpness, or at least I would prefer to be in control. With the D3 it was just not really there.
    Some of the samples I have seen of the D3X are encouraging, but I am being a bit cautious now after the D3 experience. From the D3X samples I have seen, it could be that the issues were AA related, but before sinking that much for yet another new body, I would like to see a few good raw files before taking the jump.
    I did like the ergonomics, however, everything important that I needed mid-shoot was at my fingertips.
    was were your findings?
    thanks
    -bob
    Bob

    I assume that the samples from the D3X you have seen also used Nikon glass so the culprit must be the sensor or the AA filter

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Hell, none of the local shops even carry the D3 - too high end for the market.
    Rob:

    Have you tried Atlantic Photo Supply? The owner told me they have sold a ton of the Nikon D3. They got them pretty early too, before you started seeing them in the USA. In Canada, the NPS members got the first batch. A lot of their customers were NPS.

    The D3X may be the same.

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    As of a couple of years ago, I was told some Nikon dealers aren't authorized to sell pro bodies.

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    Hey Robert,

    Haven't tried APS, but last time I was in there they had bupkus (sic) in stock (wasn't in shopping mode, anyway...). They, like CM can order you one, but... CM (which is all but useless) has also sold a number of D3s - on an order basis.

    I was told by a CM employee that Nikon wanted too much of a commitment re: D3 and upper-end lens inventory to justify them having any on the shelves. Who knows,

    I just happened to walk into CM in Bayers Lake for something else and noticed a D700 and 14-24, etc in the cabinet so decided to strike with a test while the iron was hot. Normally their cabinets are solely D70-D300 (maybe) and mid-level zoom territory

    Salesman was very accommodating - lots of shots inside and outside of store (without a guardian) with as many lenses (given their selection) as I wanted to try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    The A900 is pretty new on the scene and needs to be further explored ... but one thing I've already taken note of that goes completely counter to your statement concerning tonal depth and range ... the various DR settings available on the A900 are astounding .... and I've not seen ANY current 35mm digital camera that can match it for versatility in different lighting conditions.
    Mark would you say that Andree's results in this thread are typical of A900's tonal depth and range?

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4915

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Hey Robert,

    Haven't tried APS, but last time I was in there they had bupkus (sic) in stock (wasn't in shopping mode, anyway...). .
    Atlantic Photo is a Nikon Pro dealer, so as part of that level of dealership they will stock the top pro body, if stock can be had. As I said about the D3, they didn't sit on the shelves, just sold like hotcakes. I also bought all my new Leica bodies there with the exception of the M8.

    I don't think Carsand Mosher is a Nikon Pro dealer, just a Canon Pro dealer.

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    Must have been a timing thing. That said, the most 'pro' you'll find at any CM is the 5D/II ;>
    Last edited by robmac; 11th January 2009 at 14:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    Mark would you say that Andree's results in this thread are typical of A900's tonal depth and range?

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4915
    I like his shots and it seems he does also ... but I think that he just got the camera ... in fact no one has had this camera for very long.

    So, I think with what the A900 has to offer, and the tweaking one can do to the settings, we will see more and more good things in a variety of conditions as time goes on.

    Heck, it took me months and months to "adjust" to what my Nikons can do after switching from Canon ... and look how long it took people to get the best out of the M8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I like his shots and it seems he does also ... but I think that he just got the camera ... in fact no one has had this camera for very long.

    So, I think with what the A900 has to offer, and the tweaking one can do to the settings, we will see more and more good things in a variety of conditions as time goes on.

    Heck, it took me months and months to "adjust" to what my Nikons can do after switching from Canon ... and look how long it took people to get the best out of the M8.
    Reason I asked and this has nothing to with liking or disliking his images and it could be the processing but I simply don't see the superior tonal range and depth, in fact I find the skin and hair tones very flat in these pictures, similar to the D3.
    Last edited by ddk; 11th January 2009 at 15:55.

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    I bought a D3x 10 days ago and here's my initial take on it.

    First, it's just like using as D3 on go-slow, surprising delay in getting the image onto the display in auto-review. I guess 24MP is a lot of data to get out of the sensor and process to get even a basic JPEG for display.

    Heavily glass dependent, don't like the 28.1.4, the newer zooms are good, the AF-S 60mm micro is lovely. I have high hopes the PC-E 24 will be good, not so the 50mm f1.4 AF-S.

    Camera shake will destroy the extra IQ; up the shutter speed and you need wider aperture lenses (with IQ implications) and/or higher ISO which is noisier, of course, than a D3. That tripod is going to be in use more - stopped down lenses, lower ISO, no camera shake to get the best IQ.

    Bottom line is that the D3x doesn't surprise and delight the way the D3 does with its incredible high ISO performance. It's going to be hard work to get the IQ out of the D3x.

    Still, it's early days...

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    Thanks Mark,

    This is exactly the kind of response i was looking for. think im going to hold off a bit longer...maybe start taking a look at the used MF market.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    Mark... this is exactly what I would have expected based on my reading of the specs. Unlike many here I love my D3, perhaps because my priorities for this body are more in keeping with what it delivers... awesome low light performance, great AF and simply wonderful all around versatility. For subjects that demand more I go with my MF kit. For me the D3x seems to be neither fish nor fowl but that's just for me. If I were a single platform shooter I really think this would be the camera for me. BTW, if you want to unload that 28 1.4 drop me a line

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    Don't want to appear negative about the D3x, it's simply stretching my abilities as a photographer to (and probably beyond) the limit to get images which appear better than the D3.

    As for lenses, there's surprising colour fringing from the 28/1.4 on the D3x which is better controlled on the 28-70/2.8 but of course, f1.4 is a stretch. I'm interested in trying Zeiss or Leica R lenses but I fear that would be the start of a slippery slope and you do get used to the lens/camera integration with Nikon's own lenses. Any suggestions as to which Zeiss or Leica R lens to get started with?

    Tell me, I have no experience of MF at all but is hand-held MF an option or is it taken as read that a tripod is essential to get the best out of the camera or back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marknorton View Post
    Don't want to appear negative about the D3x, it's simply stretching my abilities as a photographer to (and probably beyond) the limit to get images which appear better than the D3.

    As for lenses, there's surprising colour fringing from the 28/1.4 on the D3x which is better controlled on the 28-70/2.8 but of course, f1.4 is a stretch. I'm interested in trying Zeiss or Leica R lenses but I fear that would be the start of a slippery slope and you do get used to the lens/camera integration with Nikon's own lenses. Any suggestions as to which Zeiss or Leica R lens to get started with?

    Tell me, I have no experience of MF at all but is hand-held MF an option or is it taken as read that a tripod is essential to get the best out of the camera or back?
    IMHO, unless you are really into manual focus stick with the Nikon fully integrated AF lenses. While I have a number of Zeiss ZFs, I mostly use them on a F6 with a split micro-prism screen to shoot B&W film. If you do go that route, the ZF28/2, 35/2 and 50/2 Macro are the ones to look at. Wanna spend some cash ? ... get the Nikon 200/2VR. The Leica R lenses worth owning and adapting to a D3 are a real slippery slope.

    I use MFD hand held all the time. But with that kind resolution and lower ISO capabilities relative to the D3, hand held is squandering the advantage. Trust me, there is still a considerable IQ advantage, but not to the full potential that's there to be tapped into.

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    Re: Anyone bought a D3X yet?

    On the Leica side (in terms of absolute resolution) look at any of the APOs, the 60 Macro (stellar starting at F4) and the last version of the 90/2.8 - to name but a handful.

    The Nikon-mount CV APOs (have owned the 90/3.5, 180/4, 125/2.5) are also exceptional.

    I tend to prefer (used) Leica and CV glass for their (IMHO) better CA control and price/performance vs. the ZFs I'ved owned (35, 50/2 and 100/2) on EOS bodes. That said, CA control in NX2 is supposedly stellar and would mitigate the issue a great deal.

    Leica glass is indeed a slipperly slope, but with the new (and reversible) leitax (www.leitax.com) R-Nikon conversion mount (under 80 Euros) and the depressed prices on R glass these days, it's a great opportunity to use the lenses (finally) on Nikon. Has me now more seriously considering switch than ever.

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    Hmmm I paid dearly to have a Olympus 24mm shift lens converted to Leica R mount in around 500 dollars this is certainly opening some doors here. Makes me want a Nikon a little more
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    Quote Originally Posted by marknorton View Post
    Any suggestions as to which Zeiss or Leica R lens to get started with?
    Mark- Try and get a hold of the Zeiss 50/2 and 100/2 makros. They are both spectacular with the D3, and I suspect will perform very well on the D3x. That 50/2 has become the lens cap on my D3. Sorry for greasing that slope! best....Peter

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