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    Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Available for Beta trial at Nikon | Capture NX-D
    Much more usable than their previous offerings I think.
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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Bob,

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    Much more usable than their previous offerings I think.
    The Big Question: Will it allow the use of plugins?

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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon FAQ
    Q Do you plan to include U Point functions (for portional editing) later?

    A No, we do not plan to include these functions. We are looking into the possibility of being able to open and display images to which effects have been applied using U Pint functions for support purposes with future versions.

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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    It does seem a bit less obtuse than the older Nikon software. A completely UN-thorough test showed it to be speedy and relatively intuitive. Not sure about rendering quality vs. other software at this point. Worth another look as it matures beyond Beta.

    Thanks Bob!
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    I just don't use plugins. I render to tiffs and do it with photoshop.
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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Agree..... I have never used plugins with raw processors but instead in PS.

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    Down loaded the beta version. Seems to be working fine for me. All my posts of Nikon D3300 shots are done with this.

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    Just downloaded, installed and looked at a few D800E shots from 2 months ago.

    Really works nicely and fast.

    I am impressed by the IQ - have never seen this from Aperture, LR5 nor C1Pro7.

    If it only would allow also support of non NEF RAW files

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    If it only would allow also support of non NEF RAW files
    I have the strong feeling it is based on the Silky Pix converter. At least the interface looks suspiciously similar. Of course, I don't know how much Nikon's input into the conversion migrated into Silky Pix v6, but maybe this might be an option. For what it is worth, I have tried Silky Pix for my Fuji files, and find the reports of its un-usability exaggerated.
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    Thanks for the link Bob. Just about anything would be better than their last offering.

    Downloading now to give it a spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I just don't use plugins. I render to tiffs and do it with photoshop.
    -bob
    I'm the opposite. I don't use PS, just Lightroom and Nik efex. I tried CNX 2 and loved the image quality and the U-Point technology, but found the response time too slow. If they improve this aspect I'd certainly reconsider, but only with U-Point available. Otherwise Nik Viveza does the job just fine.

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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Quote Originally Posted by mranger211 View Post
    I have the strong feeling it is based on the Silky Pix converter. At least the interface looks suspiciously similar. Of course, I don't know how much Nikon's input into the conversion migrated into Silky Pix v6, but maybe this might be an option. For what it is worth, I have tried Silky Pix for my Fuji files, and find the reports of its un-usability exaggerated.
    Actually it was written by or based on silky pix.
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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    I assume that Google wasn't on Nikon's development partner roadmap then? (or vice versa of course)
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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Nikon rumours confirmed that it is silky pix software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajoyroy View Post

    Nikon rumours confirmed that it is silky pix software.

    Yeah, I agree the user interface looks very similar to Silkypix.

    But I have a feeling that the demosaicing engine origins from Capture NX2.

    ©lick for native sizes and download those to your harddisk, then toggle back and forth while trying to guess which RAW converter is which - before you peep into the Exif answer .-)



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    © • Nikon D610 • AF-S Nikkor 1.8/28mm G • 1/100 sec. at f/11 ISO 0.5EV under 100 • RAW converter acc. to Exif



    ©lick for native size (9.6 Mb)


    © • Nikon D610 • AF-S Nikkor 1.8/28mm G • 1/100 sec. at f/11 ISO 0.5EV under 100 • RAW converter acc. to Exif

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    I sometimes process a RAW file in three or four different RAW converters, then I pick the result I like the best for that particular file and the results always come out very differently depending on the converter.
    I am rarely able to really make them look alike, but maybe that's just me.

    The above NX2 and NX-D conversions seem very related, to put it mildly.
    Could it be Nikon has combined the Silkypix interface with the Capture NX2 engine, or is it just a matter of inherited camera profiles ?

    Now try if you can come that close using any other favorite RAW converter of yours.

    Here's a link to the 32 Mb RAW file: 61A_1649_D610_and_AFS_28mm_G.NEF

    Simple File Sharing and Storage.


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    You must like fennel!

    Color and tone on those two look identical to me, which indicates they use the same demosaicing method. Differences in fine detail would be more indicative of differences in sharpening method. Simple USM and deconvolution and a small-kernel deconvolution approximation (like 3x3) all look different.

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    Ha, well, it's actually not my summerhouse, Jan
    And I'm not even sure if it's fennel or if it's something that just looks like it ?

    I agree with your observations about color and tone and I think it is a good thing that Nikon seems to continue the core characteristics of Capture NX2.
    I hope the interface and the features will mature in the versions to come.
    So far I think it looks quite promising.

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    Footnote:

    I have now produced both downsized 1200 pixel wide pictures directly from the RAW file (in both converter programs respectively).

    At first I had downsized one of them from the full sized converted jpeg file which made the two small 1200 pixel wide pictures look unnecessarily different with regards to sharpening and contrast.

    Of course only the full sized pictures were meant for comparison, but just in case somebody might start to compare the downsized pictures as well.

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    I've always been a fan of NX series SW.

    I'd like to hope/think that if I download this "D" version I still have NX2 to fall back on.

    Any idea? I'll ask Nikon as well

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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Finally loaded and played around with it a bit. First reaction is the "parametric" type adjustments a-la LR, which I personally *hate*. But it's a nice option to have maybe for some difficult images. So far, I have not seen anything superior from it compared to what I'm getting out of C1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Finally loaded and played around with it a bit. First reaction is the "parametric" type adjustments a-la LR, which I personally *hate*. But it's a nice option to have maybe for some difficult images. So far, I have not seen anything superior from it compared to what I'm getting out of C1.
    hmm. why do you hate parametric adjustments? it's what you do in all raw processors until you output an RGB file with the adjustments embedded in the pixels ... ??

    Adobe didn't invent this, even with Camera Raw. They just formalized it in Lightroom by tailoring a database to retain the adjustment information for re-use.

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    Godfrey,

    Parametric refers to sliders affecting an adjustment curve in some predetermined, smoothed out fashion instead of allowing me to make that adjustment more directly. C1 allows me that freedom, LR and the new Capture do not appear to.
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    I found and read a review of NXD by Jason Odell. I've pretty much decided I'll load NXD, it is free but in NXD they've stripped it of everything that made NX2
    the superb tool it is. U-points if you haven't used them crush layers IMO.

    Anyhow, I guess its time to move to LR/PS for $9.99 a month while I can. I have no plans for a camera beyond my 8 year old D3 so NX2 is still my choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Godfrey,

    Parametric refers to sliders affecting an adjustment curve in some predetermined, smoothed out fashion instead of allowing me to make that adjustment more directly. C1 allows me that freedom, LR and the new Capture do not appear to.
    That's just user interface controls, not "parametric editing." In LR, you can use the Tone Curve in point mode to effect greater control than the zone-smoothed curve or sliders, and modify RGB channels individually as well. In the HSL panels, you can manupilate hue, saturation and luminance on a fine grained scale of separation without interactions. The basic panel sliders are designed to help assist getting rough adjustment in place prior to detail control.

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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Okay fine. Anyway you parse it, at the end of the day I just don't like the interface. And the new Nikon is similar. YMMV.
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    Re: Nikon introduces a new raw processor

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Okay fine. Anyway you parse it, at the end of the day I just don't like the interface. And the new Nikon is similar. YMMV.
    Nothing wrong with that.

    I have no interest in the Nikon software per se because I don't use Nikon digital cameras. I was just curious about your statement, it didn't make much sense to me when I read it.

    All raw conversion applications use parametric editing; how they present the editing controls (UI) to implement the editing task is one of the key things that differentiates them from one another.

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