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    Any interest in the D810?

    It seems that this will be announced sometime next week, as the update for both the D800 and D800e.

    From what I have read, it seems that it will have a bit better DR, in the higher iso range, somewhat faster frame rate, 1 fps, but I noticed that a "small raw" is being mentioned. This would be a nice feature as in some cases I am not in need of a full 36MP sized file, mainly in night work.

    It seems it won't have wifi built in which was surprising to me as this seems to be pretty standard now on all modern bodies.

    Current claim is that the body will be lighter also.

    Build will be in Thailand, not Japan.

    As far as I can tell announcement date is the 26th of June.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    I'm interested to see what Canon and Nikon come up with over the next few months. Sold my only DSLR, a Canon 7D, and am in the market for something full frame.

    I'm thinking Nikon might be a good change and have some glass already. sRAW, lighter body, and better low light are all of interest.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    I'm buying one, assuming it like the D800E is effectively without an OLPF. I currently only have one body and want a second, but have been putting off buying a second D800E. So assuming they don't do something completely braindead to it I'll get a D810 or D800s or whatever it will be called instead of a second D800E.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    As a landscape photographer I would buy for certain if they offered an improved LV. Otherwise there haven't been announced any improvements which would be of assistance. No AA filter would be nice but since I only print to 24" and already have the best glass there would be no reason to upgrade.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

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    Any interest in the D810 ?


    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post

    (...) I noticed that a "small raw" is being mentioned. This would be a nice feature as in some cases I am not in need of a full 36MP sized file, mainly in night work. (...)

    I wouldn't buy the D810 (or is it D800s) for the sRAW feature, it doesn't sound all that useful at least not in the implementation we know so far from D4s.


    Quoting Thom Hogan: The S Models | byThom | Thom Hogan

    "sRaw - first seen by Nikon users on the D4s - is not actually Bayer-type data. Itís YCbCr data, much like JPEG and TIFF.
    Itís also 11-bit data that has had a tone curve and in-camera white balance applied, meaning that the pixels are ďcooked,Ē not raw.
    Because you have full values for each pixel location, the sRaw format doesnít save much file space over Nikon Compressed NEF.
    If youíre interested in what sRaw really is, see this article on Rawdigger.

    The primary gain from using sRaw over Compressed NEF would come only on batch processing large numbers of images.
    But that comes with only one-quarter the pixels (9mp) and potential image quality and converter issues.
    Iíd suggest shooting NEF+JPEG Small or Medium instead.
    Better yet, just use a Df instead ;~) "



    But apart from that, improved Live View sounds great.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    YCbCr is just a different way of storing RGB. First the luma is defined as Y=R+G+B. Then, the fractions that are red and blue are defined as: Cr=Y/R, Cb=Y/B. Anything not red or blue is green. A GRGB mosaic can be stored as YCrYCb. Instead of R and B, their fractional portion of the luma is stored, and instead of green the luma is stored. This format has some advantages and its use is completely independent of any compression technique (actually mapping functions in the case of sRAW or compressed NEF). It's also completely independent of whether it's demosaiced, white balanced, or otherwise processed. However, sRAW by its very nature requires resampling the image; no getting around that regardless of how it's stored.

    (Actually, instead of using Cr=Y/R, what's used is Cr=CMr(R/Y)*2048 for an 11-bit Cr. It's defined as 0 for Y=0. CMr is the chroma mapping function for red.)

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    I am not in any hurry to "upgrade" my D800's -- they are performing admirably and more than adequate for my tasks. Smaller raw is a non issue for me as I never hit the buffer and have enough large cards I never run out of storage right now.

    Things that interest me are better noise/higher ISO, though from a practical standpoint the D800 has not been an issue for me, even shooting travel/street at night with an f4 zoom. Better live view is good, but I rarely use it now finding focus tuning so good, so it's mostly a composition tool for me. Even larger rear retina LCD will always be welcome. Or maybe a super good wireless tethering to a remote retina display device that can also be profiled. Even if I had to buy a custom device outside an iPad or Samsung tablet and it cost $1000, for me this would be useful.

    Everything else I want is lens related -- like a killer 17/18 multi-axis tilt-shift lens, and improved 24mm and 45 tilt-shifts and with multi-axis.
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    I will probably shift out the D800 and shift-in an 810.
    I usually travel light with a Df and it is very nice for low light.
    Just to show you how lazy I am, it is usually with one or two lenses and that is that.
    If it had built-in GPS, the 810 might displace the Df in that role
    If the focusing goes D4s level, that would do it for me, but on just one body.
    The D800e for all practical purposes has performed just about as well as I could have expected.
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    Sign me up.
    Electronic shutter in LV mode, ISO 64 standard (32 extended) no AA filter (not negated like in the D800E) and better DR. Everything I need and was waiting for. Time to sell the trusty D3x I think.
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    If I see the need for 36MP in the future, I'll probably get one in addition to or instead of my D700. The combination m4/3 and Nikon FX seems to work very well for me, so GH3/4 and D700/810 is what I'm aiming at. Any word of buffer size when shooting RAW bursts?

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    Not sure how much need there is to upgrade for the studio or landscape shooter but I can see the D810 appealing to a lot of event photographers. I'd say that the advantages the 5D3 may once have had are now gone for good. The D800 after all this time is still an utterly excellent camera, quite the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' camera still as yet not even close to challenged by its competitors.
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    I agree, for what I shoot I think the D800 is pretty much perfect, so much so I picked up another E body a few months back just because it was cheap. It'll be a nice camera to move into through the natural replacement process but there's not much here that would force me to sell what I have to buy the 810, I'd rather spend the money on glass and lighting.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    This might just be the final push to get me to buy a D800e! There should be a few around for good prices.

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    No! I'm very happy with the 800e. Why push my luck?
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    As a landscape photographer I would buy for certain if they offered an improved LV. Otherwise there haven't been announced any improvements which would be of assistance. No AA filter would be nice but since I only print to 24" and already have the best glass there would be no reason to upgrade.
    I think a lot of folks would probably upgrade for better Live View. Even better with focus peaking. Once i moved to Sony I threw away my Hoodman LCD loupe. LOL

    Obviously depends on preferences which helps someone. Not sure this upgrade from a D800E would be worth it but as a new buyer coming to a bigger DSLR style camera than it would be a nice purchase. Price point though is a little high though given whats out there in 36mpx now.
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    Sounds like a great camera. A few issues that dissuaded people from the D800 have now been addressed and its the polish on a winning formula. It will be interesting to see what the next Canon 5D variant is like, which can't be far away. With Nikon speeding up the D810, improving LV and giving reduced RAW files, the 5D III does lose some of its 'events' benefits, but AF performance on the D810 remains to be seen. Certainly raises the bar high for Canon though! Ironically, the Sony A7 series negated my interest in the Nikon line because now I can use my 24 TS-E II and stable of lovely L glass. I can see why Nikon users might now desperately want improved tilt/shift lenses from Nikon.

    My overall impression is 'aren't we lucky?' So many incredible cameras leaving little to be desired...

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    +1
    I shoot with EOS. But to me Nikon has issued a written certified challenge to Canon with the 810.
    Nikon matched the best of Canon. Now it is for Canon to match the best from Nikon. No more excuses. Glass and support (latest promos) are not enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle View Post
    Sounds like a great camera. A few issues that dissuaded people from the D800 have now been addressed and its the polish on a winning formula. It will be interesting to see what the next Canon 5D variant is like, which can't be far away. With Nikon speeding up the D810, improving LV and giving reduced RAW files, the 5D III does lose some of its 'events' benefits, but AF performance on the D810 remains to be seen. Certainly raises the bar high for Canon though! Ironically, the Sony A7 series negated my interest in the Nikon line because now I can use my 24 TS-E II and stable of lovely L glass. I can see why Nikon users might now desperately want improved tilt/shift lenses from Nikon.

    My overall impression is 'aren't we lucky?' So many incredible cameras leaving little to be desired...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    This might just be the final push to get me to buy a D800e! There should be a few around for good prices.
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    After reading through all the great improvements of the 810 I come to the conclusion that I just will keep my 800E. I almost never do video and I am already pretty happy with the AF of the 800E, so there is not much incentive left to loose money on changing bodies. At least not for now!
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    I look at cameras like this now and think 'dinosaurs'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    I look at cameras like this now and think 'dinosaurs'.

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    Compared to mirror less they are like dinosaurs. But unfortunately these dinosaurs are still better performing in many situations, especially AF wise.

    But I am confident this will change over the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Compared to mirror less they are like dinosaurs. But unfortunately these dinosaurs are still better performing in many situations, especially AF wise.

    But I am confident this will change over the next few years.

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    They are all just tools, some will inspire one group of people and others will inspire a different group, it's not really a competition. Pick what you like and enjoy it, there's no such thing as a perfect camera for the masses but for this individual, I'll stick with the dinosaur!

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    Where does it actually say that the mangled LV of the preceding generation is improved? Not, AFA I can tell, in Nikon's press release.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    I was surprised no wifi, as that's pretty standard now. There are a lot of applications where wifi can really help out, especially if you want to fire remotely, the Canon 6D setup with Canon app for the apple or android OS is very nice indeed.

    LV improved, would sure be nice, it will be interesting to see just what "improved" means, maybe not allowing the focus at 100% to be worthless? at least to me, where I always back off 3 to really use it. There won't be focus peaking without a EVF as far as I understand it.

    Sony has a lot of the answers out there, but as an owner of a lot of Nikon glass, I don't want to use it in Manual only (A7r) and Sony refuses to create/make/license a true intervalometer. Their timelaspe app, is tied to the 30 seconds max of the shutter, you can't use it in bulb mode. For creation of a timelape video, 30 seconds is Ok, but for stacking for night photography, 30 seconds will rarely fit the shooting scenario.

    I like the new base iso of 64, and a bit faster frame rate with the grip. The sRaw is not like Canon's in that it appears you don't keep all the raw info, it's more of an abridged file, almost like a jpg.

    Early reviews should be out soon, as it will interesting to see what the the initial impressions are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Hvaring View Post
    Where does it actually say that the mangled LV of the preceding generation is improved? Not, AFA I can tell, in Nikon's press release.
    This, for me, is the only significant disappointment in the d800. We'll have to wait for reviews to see if they've improved it. Much of the work I've done with my d800 in the last year required live view in low light. I've found ways to work with it, but it's almost always a bummer. I've spent minutes trying to focus in some situations.

    The useless implementation of user modes is also bewildering. I can't help thinking this could be fixed with a firmware update. But there isn't much history of Nikon offering that kind of user interface improvement.

    The 810 looks nice, but at first glance nothing that would tempt me to upgrade.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    I will surely go for at least one 810.
    I do not find live-view a disappointment, since when I am in low light situations, I just use the normal viewfinder and its focus works really really well.
    Give it a rest, I never saw live-view to be a benefit really except in a view camera, then if you could, please remember how it was like focusing at f/22.
    Anyway, there electronic widgets are subject to a lll the usual forces of engineering, which is incremental refinement.
    The focus sensor does a better job anyway in low-light conditions which the computed contract-focus cannot match, Use it for composition if you must, but the viewfinder works even better.
    Now for those who shoot video, highlight striping in live-vire is really HOT.
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    The amount of used D800 & D800E's on ebay says a lot!

    Maybe I'll finally sell my D3X?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethmeier View Post
    The amount of used D800 & D800E's on ebay says a lot!

    Maybe I'll finally sell my D3X?
    Maybe it's finally time for me to buy a D3X?
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    My D800e is serving me well. I will be adding a Df as a second body and a couple of primes.
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    Waiting to see the Sony A99 upgrade.

    I think it will probably easily replace my D800 but I am not so sure about my D4.

    Time will tell.

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    If I didn't already have a D800e I would be interested, but do not see enough in the 810 to make it worthwhile. There is nothing in the D800e that bothers me. Its files are terrific, and having switched back to Nikon from a 5Dii I have no regrets.
    Even including wifi would not be enough to shift. Some discernable real-world improvement in IQ at normal ISOs would but it is the same sensor. I would like to see comparisons between D800e and its quasi lack of AA filter vs. D810 with physical lack of AA filter. I'll bet that it is going to be pretty tough to tell them apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    It seems that this will be announced sometime next week, as the update for both the D800 and D800e.

    From what I have read, it seems that it will have a bit better DR, in the higher iso range, somewhat faster frame rate, 1 fps, but I noticed that a "small raw" is being mentioned. This would be a nice feature as in some cases I am not in need of a full 36MP sized file, mainly in night work.

    It seems it won't have wifi built in which was surprising to me as this seems to be pretty standard now on all modern bodies.

    Current claim is that the body will be lighter also.

    Build will be in Thailand, not Japan.

    As far as I can tell announcement date is the 26th of June.

    Paul
    Current price of D800 is only 40% of what I paid two three years back. The faster FPS, quieter shutter is definitely desired. I personally am very interested to get one using my D800 as a backup...unless there is an imminent announcement of D400

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I will probably shift out the D800 and shift-in an 810.
    I usually travel light with a Df and it is very nice for low light.
    Just to show you how lazy I am, it is usually with one or two lenses and that is that.
    If it had built-in GPS, the 810 might displace the Df in that role
    If the focusing goes D4s level, that would do it for me, but on just one body.
    The D800e for all practical purposes has performed just about as well as I could have expected.
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    Mark,

    At present is there a good adapter that allows us to use AF and AE on our Nikon lenses on an A7x camera body? I cannot find one. Canon yes, Nikon no... It's a deal breaker for me.
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Mark,

    At present is there a good adapter that allows us to use AF and AE on our Nikon lenses on an A7x camera body? I cannot find one. Canon yes, Nikon no... It's a deal breaker for me.
    Huge deal breaker for me also. No adapter allows for AF with Nikon on the A7r that I can find.


    Then there is the issue of no intervalometer (wired) that allows for interval shooting longer than 30 seconds. Even bigger issue for me.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    My photographer friend in Italy can't wait to get his hands on the D810. I specifically went out and shot my D800 today with the Zeiss 55 1.4 attached. Seriously, it doesn't get much better than this. Besides, at the moment my upgrade path is more towards an M240, then I'll address whether or not the D810 is something I can't do without.

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    The improved high ISO does it for me. I'll trade my D800 and keep the 800E as back up.
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    Ordered mine straight away and I normally wait a year...!
    Coming from MF Digital I welcome the ISO 64 and a slightly less nervous AF the AF was it's only weak spot for me (liveview I never use).

    Also, Nikon have a trong history of putting out a game changer... and then listening to users for a year or two and improving on the weakest points... been doing since the film days.

    My D800E is not selling so I will keep it as a back up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Mark,

    At present is there a good adapter that allows us to use AF and AE on our Nikon lenses on an A7x camera body? I cannot find one. Canon yes, Nikon no... It's a deal breaker for me.
    I believe such an adapter for Nikkor lenses doesn't exist.
    Reason being Canon lenses are fully electronic.
    The same cannot be said for Nikkor lenses, I have read somewhere.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    It's here



    Will have a good play and see how it runs. I am quite excited about this camera.
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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    You might consider getting an AMOD AGL 3080 which is what I did so I can geotag with every camera body. It was dirt cheap (well under $100). Runs all day on 3 rechargeable AAAs. Does not put a drain on your camera battery. Has been 100% reliable for me and I believe (but don't have personal evidence) is faster to acquire a signal and holds it longer. Since I just turn it on at the beginning of the day and drop it in my pocket this has never been an issue for me.

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    Just had an email, mine has been dispatched and arrives AM Friday 18th (I'm in London all summer, not NYC). Will put it through it's paces some of tomorrow and some of the weekend, it goes into a studio next week to earn it's keep.

    Hopefully no sensor focus issues... :0

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    mine arrived at 8:20 this AM

    will try to get some samples up over the weekend

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    Just got back from picking mine up from Cambrian Photography - plus a Sigma 50mm f1.4 Art lens to go with it.

    Looking forward to playing with them…!

    I transferred my Artisan & Artist strap and the DK17M magnifier from my D800. Those triangular Nikon strap clips are really difficult to remove!
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    Having played with the D810 and the Sigma 50mm, I now find that Lightroom 5.5 won't recognise the 810's RAW format…

    RAWs will open in Photoshop with the beta version of Camera Raw 8.6 and DNG Converter 8.6, so I'll just have to be patient until LR 5.5 catches up (or use Tiffs)
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    Any interest in the D810?


    John, Nikon's new RAW converter for NEF files, Nikon Capture NX-D ver. 1.0, has just been released the 15th of July 2014 and so far it is free.
    You might use it until your favorite RAW converter is updated for the D810 NEF files ?
    Just a suggestion.

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    Re: Any interest in the D810?

    The new raw converter by Nikon crashes a lot. I realize it is a beta, but my cousin who just picked up an 810 says it is a little sharper, but he may return it and keep the D800E.

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